09-06-2006, 06:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-06-2006, 06:08 PM by Bharatvarsh.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1) When did Rajputs start giving their daughters in marriage to Muslims? Did it start with Akbar-Man Singh?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes it started with the time of Akbar.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->2) More important - why and how would this start? As we know from Rani Padmini's story, Rajputs can bet anything for the honour of their women? (Even Babarnama at least attests this aspect). So what could force/motivate them into these alliances? Or these alliance were not considered dishonor?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From what I know the story of Rani Padmini is more of a legend than history but even brushing that aside we know many instances of jauhar being committed but by Akbar's time their resources were probably exhausted and they gave their daughters to Muslims as a way of appeasing them to keep their hands off their kingdoms.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->3) Was this matrimonial relationship one-way only? Or do we have records of mughals also giving their daughters to Rajput princes?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No it was a one way cycle as far as I know.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->4)Did Rajputs consider this an insult or honour or no difference? Any records?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Of course they did, that is why Maharana Pratap issued an order to his band of followers not to intermarry with those who gave their daughters to Muslims, that is why at the Pushkar conference they had, it was acknowledged that the Rana of Udaipur (Mewar) was the head of all Rajputs and superior to everyone else since his family never gave their women to Muslims. Also Raja Ajit Singh of Marwar used to retaliate against Muslims whenever he had a chance (ban cow slaughter, azan, demolish mosques and rebuild mandirs etc) but he was a vassal of the Mughals and when the Mughals marched against him he had to give his daughter to them to save himself but after Farukh Siyar's death he took back his daughter and made her throw off her Mussalman dress, obviously he considered it an insult but it was the force of circumstances that made him do it.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->5)Are such examples few and far-in between, or a regular affaire?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess they were a regular affair from Akbar to Aurangzeb, because they all had Rajput wives/concubines.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->6)Other than rajputs, are there recrds of any other Hindu princes giving their daughters in marriage to Muslims?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is one I know of, here is some info:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Deva Raya then began to treat for peace, and was compelled to submit to conditions to the last degree humiliating. He agreed to give the Sultan his daughter in marriage, to indemnify him with an immense treasure, and to cede for ever the fort of Bankapur.[96]
"Though the roies of Carnatic had never yet married their daughters but to persons of their own cast, and giving them to strangers was highly disgraceful, yet Dewul Roy, out of necessity, complied, and preparations for celebrating the nuptials were made by both parties. For forty days communication was open between the city and the sultan's camp. Both sides of the road were lined with shops and booths, in which the jugglers, drolls, dancers, and mimics of Carnatic displayed their feats and skill to amuse passengers. Khankhanan and Meer Fuzzul Oollah, with the customary presents of a bridegroom, went to Beejanuggur, from whence at the expiration of seven days they brought the bride, with a rich portion and offerings from the roy, to the sultan's camp. Dewul Roy having expressed a strong desire to see the sultan, Feroze Shaw with great gallantry agreed to visit him with his bride, as his father-in-law.
"A day being fixed, he with his bride proceeded to Beejanuggur, leaving the camp in charge of Khankhanan. On the way he was met by Dewul Roy in great pomp. From the gate of the city to the palace, being a distance of six miles,[97] the road was spread with cloth of gold, velvet, satin, and other rich stuffs. The two princes rode on horseback together, between ranks of beautiful boys and girls, who waved plates of gold and silver flowers[98] over their heads as they advanced, and then threw them to be gathered by the populace. After this the inhabitants of the city made offerings, both men and women, according to their rank. After passing through a square directly in the centre of the city,[99] the relations of Dewul Roy, who had lined the streets in crowds, made their obeisance and offerings, and joined the cavalcade on foot, marching before the princes. Upon their arrival at the palace gate, the sultan and roy dismounted from their horses, and ascended a splendid palanquin, set with valuable jewels, in which they were carried together to the apartments prepared for the reception of the bride and bridegroom, when Dewul Roy took his leave, and retired to his own palace. The sultan, after being treated with royal magnificence for three days, took his leave of the roy, who pressed upon him richer presents than before given, and attended him four miles on his way, when he returned to the city.
"Sultan Feroze Shaw was enraged at his not going with him to his camp, and said to Meer Fuzzul Oollah that he would one day have his revenge for the affront offered him by such neglect. This declaration being told to Dewul Roy, he made some insolent remarks, so that, notwithstanding the connection of family, their hatred was not calmed."
http://www.nalanda.nitc.ac.in/resources/en...ry/vijayanagar/<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->7)What is the last such reported mariage of Rajput-Muslims?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have no idea, but I guess it was the marriage between Raja Ajit Singh's daughter and Farukh Siyar.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->8)Was Jahangir son of Jodhabai? Did a Hindu mother have any psychological impact on Jahangir - like soft corner towards Hindus etc.? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here is some info:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->> > The mother of Jahangir was Heera Kunwar, later called Mariam uz
> > Zamani, daughter of Raja Bharmalla of Amer (Jaipur), who married
> > Akbar in 1562. Mirza Raja Man Singh I was her nephew, as you
> > mention. Her name is not mentioned as Jodhabai in Mughal records
> or
> > in Kachhawaha records.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndianCivili...n/message/86826<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess she had some impact since Jahangir was not as much of a fanatic as Shah Jahan and Aurangzeb.
Yes it started with the time of Akbar.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->2) More important - why and how would this start? As we know from Rani Padmini's story, Rajputs can bet anything for the honour of their women? (Even Babarnama at least attests this aspect). So what could force/motivate them into these alliances? Or these alliance were not considered dishonor?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From what I know the story of Rani Padmini is more of a legend than history but even brushing that aside we know many instances of jauhar being committed but by Akbar's time their resources were probably exhausted and they gave their daughters to Muslims as a way of appeasing them to keep their hands off their kingdoms.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->3) Was this matrimonial relationship one-way only? Or do we have records of mughals also giving their daughters to Rajput princes?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No it was a one way cycle as far as I know.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->4)Did Rajputs consider this an insult or honour or no difference? Any records?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Of course they did, that is why Maharana Pratap issued an order to his band of followers not to intermarry with those who gave their daughters to Muslims, that is why at the Pushkar conference they had, it was acknowledged that the Rana of Udaipur (Mewar) was the head of all Rajputs and superior to everyone else since his family never gave their women to Muslims. Also Raja Ajit Singh of Marwar used to retaliate against Muslims whenever he had a chance (ban cow slaughter, azan, demolish mosques and rebuild mandirs etc) but he was a vassal of the Mughals and when the Mughals marched against him he had to give his daughter to them to save himself but after Farukh Siyar's death he took back his daughter and made her throw off her Mussalman dress, obviously he considered it an insult but it was the force of circumstances that made him do it.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->5)Are such examples few and far-in between, or a regular affaire?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess they were a regular affair from Akbar to Aurangzeb, because they all had Rajput wives/concubines.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->6)Other than rajputs, are there recrds of any other Hindu princes giving their daughters in marriage to Muslims?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is one I know of, here is some info:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Deva Raya then began to treat for peace, and was compelled to submit to conditions to the last degree humiliating. He agreed to give the Sultan his daughter in marriage, to indemnify him with an immense treasure, and to cede for ever the fort of Bankapur.[96]
"Though the roies of Carnatic had never yet married their daughters but to persons of their own cast, and giving them to strangers was highly disgraceful, yet Dewul Roy, out of necessity, complied, and preparations for celebrating the nuptials were made by both parties. For forty days communication was open between the city and the sultan's camp. Both sides of the road were lined with shops and booths, in which the jugglers, drolls, dancers, and mimics of Carnatic displayed their feats and skill to amuse passengers. Khankhanan and Meer Fuzzul Oollah, with the customary presents of a bridegroom, went to Beejanuggur, from whence at the expiration of seven days they brought the bride, with a rich portion and offerings from the roy, to the sultan's camp. Dewul Roy having expressed a strong desire to see the sultan, Feroze Shaw with great gallantry agreed to visit him with his bride, as his father-in-law.
"A day being fixed, he with his bride proceeded to Beejanuggur, leaving the camp in charge of Khankhanan. On the way he was met by Dewul Roy in great pomp. From the gate of the city to the palace, being a distance of six miles,[97] the road was spread with cloth of gold, velvet, satin, and other rich stuffs. The two princes rode on horseback together, between ranks of beautiful boys and girls, who waved plates of gold and silver flowers[98] over their heads as they advanced, and then threw them to be gathered by the populace. After this the inhabitants of the city made offerings, both men and women, according to their rank. After passing through a square directly in the centre of the city,[99] the relations of Dewul Roy, who had lined the streets in crowds, made their obeisance and offerings, and joined the cavalcade on foot, marching before the princes. Upon their arrival at the palace gate, the sultan and roy dismounted from their horses, and ascended a splendid palanquin, set with valuable jewels, in which they were carried together to the apartments prepared for the reception of the bride and bridegroom, when Dewul Roy took his leave, and retired to his own palace. The sultan, after being treated with royal magnificence for three days, took his leave of the roy, who pressed upon him richer presents than before given, and attended him four miles on his way, when he returned to the city.
"Sultan Feroze Shaw was enraged at his not going with him to his camp, and said to Meer Fuzzul Oollah that he would one day have his revenge for the affront offered him by such neglect. This declaration being told to Dewul Roy, he made some insolent remarks, so that, notwithstanding the connection of family, their hatred was not calmed."
http://www.nalanda.nitc.ac.in/resources/en...ry/vijayanagar/<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->7)What is the last such reported mariage of Rajput-Muslims?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have no idea, but I guess it was the marriage between Raja Ajit Singh's daughter and Farukh Siyar.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->8)Was Jahangir son of Jodhabai? Did a Hindu mother have any psychological impact on Jahangir - like soft corner towards Hindus etc.? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here is some info:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->> > The mother of Jahangir was Heera Kunwar, later called Mariam uz
> > Zamani, daughter of Raja Bharmalla of Amer (Jaipur), who married
> > Akbar in 1562. Mirza Raja Man Singh I was her nephew, as you
> > mention. Her name is not mentioned as Jodhabai in Mughal records
> or
> > in Kachhawaha records.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndianCivili...n/message/86826<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess she had some impact since Jahangir was not as much of a fanatic as Shah Jahan and Aurangzeb.