<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Feb 20 2007, 10:00 PM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Feb 20 2007, 10:00 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->A real question needing careful study is why did the US support so many Islamic terror movements, which eventually came back to haunt them. Even after 9/11 they have not exactly stopped, but gone after fake targets like Eye-rak, and ended up helping the Islamics even more. Eye-rak has now moved from a secular dictatorship to a Mullocracy.
Moslem terrorist movements aided by US:
(1) Pakistanis/Kashmiris against India
(2) Chechnya against Russia
(3) Albanian/Bosnian terrorists against Serbia
(4) Taliban/Mujahiddeen against Russia
(5) Saudi Arabia/UAE in general
(6) Perhaps Indonesia.
(7) Pakistanis against Bangladeshi Hindus
[right][snapback]64745[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->HH,
I've numbered your points above.
Not a careful study, but <b>IMO:</b>
As a small note, one also needs to understand the mentality of the US. Being a really young country, it is like a child with newfound power over the elders (other countries in the world which actually have a long, established history). It wants to be all-powerful and remain all-powerful. It rewards those countries who helped it and will ever remember which countries opposed it and wants some kind of revenge on them. Russia, India, Serbia
In most cases above, the US is for breakup. Breakup of India, Russia, Serbia covers (1)-(4). (4) is also the Cold war fight of US against its nemesis, the communist Soviet Union. The situation of Serbia is complex, there are additional reasons US has to breakup Serbia, which I will get to at the end. Reason for (7) is US' childish mentality:
- petty revenge on Hindus (India) for being on Russia's side ('neutral') in Cold war. Hence the general view of the US government that 'Indians are b......s anyway' as famously voiced back then. And
- supporting their allies Pukestanis who chose friendship with the US, so America allowed murder of Hindus in Bangladesh.
(6) Indonesia: Do you mean why they supported islamic Indonesia over East Timor though the last is christian?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->According to (Noam) Chomsky, propaganda is to a democracy, what violence is to a dictatorship. As we do not live in a police state, certain empowered interests need to control what we think in order to manufacture our consent. The public are thus reduced to mass apathy, living in a matrix of "tangled webs of deceit".
In Chomsky's propaganda model, a small concentration of corporations (the "Elites") determine, shape, and control the flow of information to the public. These organizations also set national and international agendum, indoctrinating us into neutral, positive, and negative blood baths. For example, as Chomsky observes, during the late 1970s two genocides were occurring: One led by Pol Pot in Cambodia, the other by the Indonesian Government in East Timor. Pol Pot was a communist, but the Indonesians were US allies (and also held vast oil reserves). During 1975-1978, the NY Times devoted only 70 inches of column space to East Timor, yet devoted a whopping 1,175 inches of column space to Cambodia.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So, the reason for supporting Indonesia over their christian converts in East Timor: oil. (So much for christian solidarity, no one cares about converts except when these puppets can be used to implement western plans.)
Probably the same reason guides US support for (5) Saudi Arabia/UAE?
A final factor is that Islam is a destabilising mechanism. Islam's centres of action are in Asia (Indonesia covers Australia, Australia regularly fears Indonesian islamic terrorist groups) and in the Middle-East where it is precariously situated between two continents: Europe and Africa.
So Islam gives US leverage over 4 continents: Europe (via Serbia's Kosovo), Asia including Russia (via Pakistan and Afghanistan and Chechnya), and Indonesia would keep Asia as well as Pacific in check, Africa's vast resources can be extracted at a much cheaper rate by funding wars of local Africans against islamis.
By supporting islam, the US is basically working to destabilise any countries that might rise on their own.
South and Central America is all that remains, but it's well-documented how the US has supported multiple bloody, genocidal dictatorships there. These dictatorships meant that the US could have its will carried out in S and C America. So all bases covered.
<b>>></b> Except China. It crushes islamic insurgency. It cares nothing for a PC reputation. America is unable to do anything about it. Neither slapping sanctions, nor threatening to rake up its human rights record nor whining about religious freedoms makes China do anything.
Back to Serbia:
Reasons why US supports islamics AND Croatians in Serbia is manifold.
(1) Entry of destabilising islam into Europe. Europeans have written about how they fear US support for Albanians is essentially US trying to destabilise Europe in the long-term. They are right.
(2) Breakup of socialist Serbia which would not align with the west. It often refused, they're adamant and want to be ruled by their own government instead of a puppet government the US would set up.
(3) Another important reason is alluded to in
The Vatican's Complicity in Genocide in Fascist Croatia - The Suppressed Chapter of Holocaust History
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The role of the U.S. and British governments in protecting and employing Nazi and fascist mass murderers will also probably not be fully disclosed or incorporated into history books in our lifetimes
[...]
What then are the political reasons for the systematic and deliberate suppression of the history of the Holocaust in Croatia? There are several, and they are all connected to vital geo-political considerations of the leading Western powers. One is the leading role that Croatian fascist war criminals played in establishing the "ratline" escape routes of European fascism after the war and their enormous contributions to U.S. and British intelligence agencies during the Cold War. Another was the American and British governments' refusal to return for trial and punishment to post-war Yugoslavia Croatian war criminals in particular, thus violating the Moscow Declaration of 1943 in which they had sworn to do so. Still another was the long range goal of U.S. and Western imperialism to partition and destroy Communist Yugoslavia, a plan which depended on the support of the thousands of escaped Croatian fascists subsidized by the U.S. for decades in anticipation of this long sought goal.(7) The need to suppress such information from the public and from political discourse is obvious: a self-proclaimed moral superiority based on genocide is a fraud the whole world can see.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(Yugoslavia is no longer communist, its government has been close to the European-'socialist' model for a long time.)
You see, not just many Nazis, but also many Croatian nazis (the catholic Ustashe) helped the US government. Many nazis have been in the US government or were hired to work for US intelligence. There's many books about this, including a book by John Loftus, I think his name was, and The Real Odessa too I believe. Yupp, see here: The Unholy Trinity by Mark Aarons and John Loftus.
In any case, the US promised to help the Croatian Ustashe; after all, it served US purposes. That is why during the first Balkan war of the 90s, the US was arming and training and equipping the Croatian nazis who had returned from their overseas hideouts to brainwash and lead a new generation of Croatians to massacre the Serbs (in eerily similar manner to how the Ustashe of the nazi era descended upon Serb villages and mutilated and killed the Serb population). The US was also helping the islamaniacs who were reliving their nazi hanschar days too, because again, the islamaniacs would help in bringing down Serbia.
The US also wanted to return the Vatican favour for helping in the fight against communism (see The Vatican's Complicity again), and since the Vatican wants nothing better than ending Orthodoxy (starting in Serbia; Russia is more out of reach) which it failed to do in WWII, the result was the US support for the catholic side (Croatia) and utter suppression of the Orthodox Serbs (both militarily and via media) in the first Balkan war.
The Vatican and the remaining Ustashe mentality, islamaniacs and the US all want breakup of Serbia; and stealing Kosovo which is such a symbol of the Serbian nation is the cherry on the cake for all.
So helping their former helpers (as they had long ago promised) is America's other motive, coinciding as it does with its own wishes for Yugoslavia, and Serbia in particular.
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/preface.html I think has informative articles.
Moslem terrorist movements aided by US:
(1) Pakistanis/Kashmiris against India
(2) Chechnya against Russia
(3) Albanian/Bosnian terrorists against Serbia
(4) Taliban/Mujahiddeen against Russia
(5) Saudi Arabia/UAE in general
(6) Perhaps Indonesia.
(7) Pakistanis against Bangladeshi Hindus
[right][snapback]64745[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->HH,
I've numbered your points above.
Not a careful study, but <b>IMO:</b>
As a small note, one also needs to understand the mentality of the US. Being a really young country, it is like a child with newfound power over the elders (other countries in the world which actually have a long, established history). It wants to be all-powerful and remain all-powerful. It rewards those countries who helped it and will ever remember which countries opposed it and wants some kind of revenge on them. Russia, India, Serbia
In most cases above, the US is for breakup. Breakup of India, Russia, Serbia covers (1)-(4). (4) is also the Cold war fight of US against its nemesis, the communist Soviet Union. The situation of Serbia is complex, there are additional reasons US has to breakup Serbia, which I will get to at the end. Reason for (7) is US' childish mentality:
- petty revenge on Hindus (India) for being on Russia's side ('neutral') in Cold war. Hence the general view of the US government that 'Indians are b......s anyway' as famously voiced back then. And
- supporting their allies Pukestanis who chose friendship with the US, so America allowed murder of Hindus in Bangladesh.
(6) Indonesia: Do you mean why they supported islamic Indonesia over East Timor though the last is christian?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->According to (Noam) Chomsky, propaganda is to a democracy, what violence is to a dictatorship. As we do not live in a police state, certain empowered interests need to control what we think in order to manufacture our consent. The public are thus reduced to mass apathy, living in a matrix of "tangled webs of deceit".
In Chomsky's propaganda model, a small concentration of corporations (the "Elites") determine, shape, and control the flow of information to the public. These organizations also set national and international agendum, indoctrinating us into neutral, positive, and negative blood baths. For example, as Chomsky observes, during the late 1970s two genocides were occurring: One led by Pol Pot in Cambodia, the other by the Indonesian Government in East Timor. Pol Pot was a communist, but the Indonesians were US allies (and also held vast oil reserves). During 1975-1978, the NY Times devoted only 70 inches of column space to East Timor, yet devoted a whopping 1,175 inches of column space to Cambodia.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So, the reason for supporting Indonesia over their christian converts in East Timor: oil. (So much for christian solidarity, no one cares about converts except when these puppets can be used to implement western plans.)
Probably the same reason guides US support for (5) Saudi Arabia/UAE?
A final factor is that Islam is a destabilising mechanism. Islam's centres of action are in Asia (Indonesia covers Australia, Australia regularly fears Indonesian islamic terrorist groups) and in the Middle-East where it is precariously situated between two continents: Europe and Africa.
So Islam gives US leverage over 4 continents: Europe (via Serbia's Kosovo), Asia including Russia (via Pakistan and Afghanistan and Chechnya), and Indonesia would keep Asia as well as Pacific in check, Africa's vast resources can be extracted at a much cheaper rate by funding wars of local Africans against islamis.
By supporting islam, the US is basically working to destabilise any countries that might rise on their own.
South and Central America is all that remains, but it's well-documented how the US has supported multiple bloody, genocidal dictatorships there. These dictatorships meant that the US could have its will carried out in S and C America. So all bases covered.
<b>>></b> Except China. It crushes islamic insurgency. It cares nothing for a PC reputation. America is unable to do anything about it. Neither slapping sanctions, nor threatening to rake up its human rights record nor whining about religious freedoms makes China do anything.
Back to Serbia:
Reasons why US supports islamics AND Croatians in Serbia is manifold.
(1) Entry of destabilising islam into Europe. Europeans have written about how they fear US support for Albanians is essentially US trying to destabilise Europe in the long-term. They are right.
(2) Breakup of socialist Serbia which would not align with the west. It often refused, they're adamant and want to be ruled by their own government instead of a puppet government the US would set up.
(3) Another important reason is alluded to in
The Vatican's Complicity in Genocide in Fascist Croatia - The Suppressed Chapter of Holocaust History
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The role of the U.S. and British governments in protecting and employing Nazi and fascist mass murderers will also probably not be fully disclosed or incorporated into history books in our lifetimes
[...]
What then are the political reasons for the systematic and deliberate suppression of the history of the Holocaust in Croatia? There are several, and they are all connected to vital geo-political considerations of the leading Western powers. One is the leading role that Croatian fascist war criminals played in establishing the "ratline" escape routes of European fascism after the war and their enormous contributions to U.S. and British intelligence agencies during the Cold War. Another was the American and British governments' refusal to return for trial and punishment to post-war Yugoslavia Croatian war criminals in particular, thus violating the Moscow Declaration of 1943 in which they had sworn to do so. Still another was the long range goal of U.S. and Western imperialism to partition and destroy Communist Yugoslavia, a plan which depended on the support of the thousands of escaped Croatian fascists subsidized by the U.S. for decades in anticipation of this long sought goal.(7) The need to suppress such information from the public and from political discourse is obvious: a self-proclaimed moral superiority based on genocide is a fraud the whole world can see.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(Yugoslavia is no longer communist, its government has been close to the European-'socialist' model for a long time.)
You see, not just many Nazis, but also many Croatian nazis (the catholic Ustashe) helped the US government. Many nazis have been in the US government or were hired to work for US intelligence. There's many books about this, including a book by John Loftus, I think his name was, and The Real Odessa too I believe. Yupp, see here: The Unholy Trinity by Mark Aarons and John Loftus.
In any case, the US promised to help the Croatian Ustashe; after all, it served US purposes. That is why during the first Balkan war of the 90s, the US was arming and training and equipping the Croatian nazis who had returned from their overseas hideouts to brainwash and lead a new generation of Croatians to massacre the Serbs (in eerily similar manner to how the Ustashe of the nazi era descended upon Serb villages and mutilated and killed the Serb population). The US was also helping the islamaniacs who were reliving their nazi hanschar days too, because again, the islamaniacs would help in bringing down Serbia.
The US also wanted to return the Vatican favour for helping in the fight against communism (see The Vatican's Complicity again), and since the Vatican wants nothing better than ending Orthodoxy (starting in Serbia; Russia is more out of reach) which it failed to do in WWII, the result was the US support for the catholic side (Croatia) and utter suppression of the Orthodox Serbs (both militarily and via media) in the first Balkan war.
The Vatican and the remaining Ustashe mentality, islamaniacs and the US all want breakup of Serbia; and stealing Kosovo which is such a symbol of the Serbian nation is the cherry on the cake for all.
So helping their former helpers (as they had long ago promised) is America's other motive, coinciding as it does with its own wishes for Yugoslavia, and Serbia in particular.
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/preface.html I think has informative articles.