Post 2/?
Only related to the final bits of the previous post (regarding Fuxi and Nuwa).
Otherwise, from this post onwards, related to 426 (PIE-ism) again.
[color="#0000FF"]These nexts posts are about AIT. But not the Indian one.[/color] (Which means I can talk about it.)
The viral IE appropriation project has moved on - it has long since swallowed India for PIE-ism, so the paradigm of India being IE and Vedas and Skt being part of the PIE world is now accepted as a given in western circles (which is surely the only circle that matters, no? they're talking over your heads after all; it's With Or Without You). IE has moved on to focus on [color="#0000FF"]AIT into China via Oryans from/in China's northwest[/color].
And I mean the focus has specifically shifted to appropriating Chinese religio-culture/civilisation as IE achievement, not just transference of "tools" or horses or sheep or something.
Since IE in China has not yet been "established" - the scholarship is still hard at work to write all speculation up in significant detail for western people to feel sufficiently convinced to start declaring that Chinese civilisation's IE origins too is "self-evident" (which I predict will happen in about 2 or 3 decades time = about the usual timescale for the viral IE meme to swallow another space).
After which, all subsequent discussion and history-writing on China will be of the form "As we know, Chinese civilisation - which is IE - started when IE-ism influenced the earliest Chinese dynasties..." and further statements like "Ancient Chinese religion is originally IE. Taoism is the miscegenated religion of the Chinese who hijacked ancient IE Chinese religion to nativise it.*" Direct quotes will come later.
[* C.f. how "Vedic religion is originally IE and Hinduism is the miscegenated religion of the miscegenated Indians that's derived from Vedic religion".]
- After all, PIE-ism was never really about you. (Indians didn't think it was, surely?) They don't want you, they want what you have. They want it for themselves. Which is why they think Vedic religion is more theirs than it is yours. You're just the miscegenated garbage they're stuck with/have to for now still occasionally deal with as the middle-man to get acess to the Vedas etc. (And to think some Indians *actually* teach aliens. Bij Donar.)
- PIE-ism is about the self-declared "Europods/Caucasoids", the "white man" (a modern invention, by which they run over the poor ancient Greeks and Romans and a lot of others). PIEism is their appropriation methodology: their systematised way of legally declaring every civilisation originated from the "white" man. One civilisation at a time.*
And this is why it's long moved on from India, past India. Oh sure, they want the Vedas and Skt - it is the core thing they wanted (at the centre of their little universe), but there's much more to be claimed yet, to be made "safe" for PIE-ism "alone" (=claims of uniqueness/specialness and at the expense of others not being allowed to originate any of it <- always associated with superiority syndrome). Only oryans can innovate, only oryans can create. Others can only be inspired, instructed. Proof is PIE and hence AIT-China.
They already feel confident they have pocketed Vedas and Skt for themselves with their arguments (and there have been enough Indians to roll with the argument, so it will stand - for longer than you will). But there are other major civilisations out there - still living, still a testament to what other human populations/societies have achieved over time. And the jealous demon that is the "white man syndrome" (white supremacist syndrome) can't rest until they've signed themselves as the authors of all human civilisation.
[* When they tried encroaching on Africa it wasn't called IE-ism. I recall a Euro South African's novel - Sunbird or something, I read it in RD's abridged version in NLs, "De Zonnevogel" I think it was called - from maybe the 1960s or 1970s. It used as backdrop the then still popular hypothesis of an ancient "white" civilisation in the heart of sub-saharan Africa (have to justify apartheid somehow nah? like the Brits did in India) that brought civilisation to Africa and was the source of innovation in Africa. And which ancient alleged white civilisation possessed angry African slaves - note that ban on miscegenation is backprojected to justify ongoing apartheid - that eventually plotted, took over and destroyed the "white" innovators.
The blurb on the author of the novel said that the background to the story was based on these theories of a potential white origin to civilisation in Africa. Clearly people believed in it. Wonder if they still do?)
Anyway, this set of posts is not about Africa. (As to why I read the novel: in my defence, I used to read most every piece of fiction that came my way that wasn't a romance.)
[color="#0000FF"]The stuff relevant to the AIT-C comes in later posts.[/color]
Why the following quoteblock in this post is relevant will hopefully become apparent later on. But need to read the stuff below to understand the Chinese version of their history versus the rewrite of it that the PIE-ists are busy working on.
Important to understand is that
- the Chinese view their civilisation as largely self-created, self-innovated, self-contained. I.e. they view themselves as owning their civiliation, viewing their ancestors as its authors.* Not a modern Chinese view, BTW. (And indeed this was the view the west largely subscribed to. Until PIE-ism and particularly until PIE-ism's roving eye noticed ideas and rites and religio-cultural expressions that PIE-ism had by now thus far argued were exclusively IE.)
- Whereas the PIE-ists not only insist on "some" external influences, but ones of the most influential kind, and are working really hard on developing a comprehensive framework (the AIT: Aryan Influence + Invasion Theory of China) whereby t[color="#0000FF"]hey insist that all of Chinese civilisation (starting with religion - to language and arts and tech)[/color] is owing to PIE-ism only. I kid you not.
* Sort of like Indians used to think - in a time before your short memory reaches - that natives to Bharatam were the authors of Hindus' religio-culture. (Good thing the PIE-ists set ya straight, nah? Where would you be without the PIE-ists teaching you every step of the way? <- More "proof" that PIE must have taught your ancestors too.)
aboutchinaculture.com/chinese-history-xia-dynasty/
Only related to the final bits of the previous post (regarding Fuxi and Nuwa).
Otherwise, from this post onwards, related to 426 (PIE-ism) again.
[color="#0000FF"]These nexts posts are about AIT. But not the Indian one.[/color] (Which means I can talk about it.)
The viral IE appropriation project has moved on - it has long since swallowed India for PIE-ism, so the paradigm of India being IE and Vedas and Skt being part of the PIE world is now accepted as a given in western circles (which is surely the only circle that matters, no? they're talking over your heads after all; it's With Or Without You). IE has moved on to focus on [color="#0000FF"]AIT into China via Oryans from/in China's northwest[/color].
And I mean the focus has specifically shifted to appropriating Chinese religio-culture/civilisation as IE achievement, not just transference of "tools" or horses or sheep or something.
Since IE in China has not yet been "established" - the scholarship is still hard at work to write all speculation up in significant detail for western people to feel sufficiently convinced to start declaring that Chinese civilisation's IE origins too is "self-evident" (which I predict will happen in about 2 or 3 decades time = about the usual timescale for the viral IE meme to swallow another space).
After which, all subsequent discussion and history-writing on China will be of the form "As we know, Chinese civilisation - which is IE - started when IE-ism influenced the earliest Chinese dynasties..." and further statements like "Ancient Chinese religion is originally IE. Taoism is the miscegenated religion of the Chinese who hijacked ancient IE Chinese religion to nativise it.*" Direct quotes will come later.
[* C.f. how "Vedic religion is originally IE and Hinduism is the miscegenated religion of the miscegenated Indians that's derived from Vedic religion".]
- After all, PIE-ism was never really about you. (Indians didn't think it was, surely?) They don't want you, they want what you have. They want it for themselves. Which is why they think Vedic religion is more theirs than it is yours. You're just the miscegenated garbage they're stuck with/have to for now still occasionally deal with as the middle-man to get acess to the Vedas etc. (And to think some Indians *actually* teach aliens. Bij Donar.)
- PIE-ism is about the self-declared "Europods/Caucasoids", the "white man" (a modern invention, by which they run over the poor ancient Greeks and Romans and a lot of others). PIEism is their appropriation methodology: their systematised way of legally declaring every civilisation originated from the "white" man. One civilisation at a time.*
And this is why it's long moved on from India, past India. Oh sure, they want the Vedas and Skt - it is the core thing they wanted (at the centre of their little universe), but there's much more to be claimed yet, to be made "safe" for PIE-ism "alone" (=claims of uniqueness/specialness and at the expense of others not being allowed to originate any of it <- always associated with superiority syndrome). Only oryans can innovate, only oryans can create. Others can only be inspired, instructed. Proof is PIE and hence AIT-China.
They already feel confident they have pocketed Vedas and Skt for themselves with their arguments (and there have been enough Indians to roll with the argument, so it will stand - for longer than you will). But there are other major civilisations out there - still living, still a testament to what other human populations/societies have achieved over time. And the jealous demon that is the "white man syndrome" (white supremacist syndrome) can't rest until they've signed themselves as the authors of all human civilisation.
[* When they tried encroaching on Africa it wasn't called IE-ism. I recall a Euro South African's novel - Sunbird or something, I read it in RD's abridged version in NLs, "De Zonnevogel" I think it was called - from maybe the 1960s or 1970s. It used as backdrop the then still popular hypothesis of an ancient "white" civilisation in the heart of sub-saharan Africa (have to justify apartheid somehow nah? like the Brits did in India) that brought civilisation to Africa and was the source of innovation in Africa. And which ancient alleged white civilisation possessed angry African slaves - note that ban on miscegenation is backprojected to justify ongoing apartheid - that eventually plotted, took over and destroyed the "white" innovators.
The blurb on the author of the novel said that the background to the story was based on these theories of a potential white origin to civilisation in Africa. Clearly people believed in it. Wonder if they still do?)
Anyway, this set of posts is not about Africa. (As to why I read the novel: in my defence, I used to read most every piece of fiction that came my way that wasn't a romance.)
[color="#0000FF"]The stuff relevant to the AIT-C comes in later posts.[/color]
Why the following quoteblock in this post is relevant will hopefully become apparent later on. But need to read the stuff below to understand the Chinese version of their history versus the rewrite of it that the PIE-ists are busy working on.
Important to understand is that
- the Chinese view their civilisation as largely self-created, self-innovated, self-contained. I.e. they view themselves as owning their civiliation, viewing their ancestors as its authors.* Not a modern Chinese view, BTW. (And indeed this was the view the west largely subscribed to. Until PIE-ism and particularly until PIE-ism's roving eye noticed ideas and rites and religio-cultural expressions that PIE-ism had by now thus far argued were exclusively IE.)
- Whereas the PIE-ists not only insist on "some" external influences, but ones of the most influential kind, and are working really hard on developing a comprehensive framework (the AIT: Aryan Influence + Invasion Theory of China) whereby t[color="#0000FF"]hey insist that all of Chinese civilisation (starting with religion - to language and arts and tech)[/color] is owing to PIE-ism only. I kid you not.
* Sort of like Indians used to think - in a time before your short memory reaches - that natives to Bharatam were the authors of Hindus' religio-culture. (Good thing the PIE-ists set ya straight, nah? Where would you be without the PIE-ists teaching you every step of the way? <- More "proof" that PIE must have taught your ancestors too.)
aboutchinaculture.com/chinese-history-xia-dynasty/
Quote:Chinese History Xia Dynasty
18. May, 2013
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Chinese History:The Xia Dynasty (2070 B.C.-1600 B.C.)
As the first slave dynasty in Chinese history, the Xia Dynasty began with the reign of Qi, the son of the Great Yu, and ended with the fall of Jie. Qi established the system of hereditary dynastic rule.
Chinese civilization, as described in mythology, begins with Pangu, the creator of the universe and a succession of legendary sage-emperors and culture heroes among them are Huang Di, Yao, and Shun) who taught the ancient Chinese to communicate and to find sustenance, clothing, and shelter.
[color="#0000FF"]The first chinese civilization was established around the fertile areas of Huanghe (The Yellow River) more than four thousand years ago. The first glimpse of chinese characters had taken form, and unlike any other places on the world, this cultural development has been delivered without any kind of decisive interruption till this day. The cultural development of Central-China and East-Asia was influenced by the contrast between two dramatically different communities. In the northern and western parts of the country one could find enormous wastelands, inhabited by nomadic societies. Compared to people in other regions, the nomads were economically poor, but their military strength was superior. In the southern and eastern parts of the country, the fertile river areas gave life to intensive agriculture and the establishment of great communities. These two types of communities were bound together in an exchange of goods but conflicts often appeared. The farming areas were constantly attacked by the northern barbarians.[/color]
[color="#800080"](The above is an important bit to know as it is directly pertinent to the AIT-C - Aryan Invasion else Influence on China, since PIE-ists are working on declaring that everything from NW is 1. IE-ism because "nomadic/pastoral kultur is IE onlee" and hence 2. China's IE NW/influx of IE from its NW moulded Chinese civilisation.)[/color]
The great area which eventually became China, stretched itself from the jungle in the south to the steppes and deserts in the north. In the south, the Yunnan-plateau, covered with mountains and rainforests formed a barrier. This barrier could not prevent the Mongolian habitants from moving south but it did accomplish making the South-East Asia, except for parts of Nan Yue, impenetrable for the imperial troops. In the west, the hard to reach highlands of Tibet were also left in peace until the middle of the first century after Christ.
Between the Yunnan-plataeu and the range of mountains of Isin-ling, one could spot the south-Chinese vegetation-belt, divided by the mighty Yangzijiang. Different types of vegetation were gradually developed and soon, people could enjoy the fruits from hundreds of orange trees and the extracts from different kinds of tea-plants. But the importance of this area in the Chinese cultural development was not determined by these types of vegetation. It was the introduction of millet from the north and rice from South-East Asia that made this area historical. Millet and soybeans played an important role in agriculture.
The ancient main area of China was located near the Yellow River, covered with ââ¬Åloose soilââ¬Â. It stretched itself up against the steppes and deserts of Mongolia. It was in this region one first found the early development of Chinese and East-Asian agriculture and these fertile areas also formed the basis of the first Chinese civilizations. The ââ¬Åloose soilââ¬Â was easy to grow but the climate troubled the farmers with itââ¬â¢s strong and instant rainfalls. Huanghe, ââ¬ÅThe Sorrow of Chinaââ¬Â rapidly flooded the lowlands and destroyed many plantations.
The ancient Chinese stories from the dawn of time were without doubt legends. A Chinese legend said that a gigantic god named Pan Gu separated heaven and earth by one single slice with his mighty sword. Even though the Chinese people lived in the centuries before Christ, they seem to have made up stories which stretched farther back towards the dawn of time. Chinaââ¬â¢s most famous historian, Sima Qian, who died around 85 BC, tells us about The Yellow Emperor, Huangdi, whom he assumed existed more than 2600 years before Christ.
[color="#0000FF"]Legend holds that the Xia was preceded by a succession of three sovereigns and five emperors. Fuxi, the first of the three sovereigns, usually is depicted alongside his wife and sister, the goddess Nugua. Fuxi and Nugua are human from the waist up and have the tails of dragons. Shun, the last of the five emperors, abdicated in favor of Yu, the first emperor of the Xia Dynasty.[/color]
[color="#800080"](At least PIE-ists can't use Zeus being brother and husband to Hera to claim this: Zeus and Hera weren't half-dragon.)[/color]
The first prehistoric dynasty is said to be Xia, from about the twenty-first to the sixteenth century B.C. Xia-dynasty was founded by the Si-clan, who were descendants of the clanââ¬â¢s foundation father, Yu. Because of the lack of written sources, historians have still not gained a correct idea of how the people lived at that time. According to the later tradition, Yu spent thirteen years to dig out channels and maintain dikes. When emperor Shun died, the officials disagreed with the imperial decision of letting Shunââ¬â¢s son inherit the throne. They wanted Yu instead, who after his death was followed by his son. It was Yu who founded the first imperial dynasty in China.
Until scientific excavations were made at early bronze-age sites at Anyang, Henan Province, in 1928, it was difficult to separate myth from reality in regard to the Xia. But since then, and especially in the 1960s and 1970s, archaeologists have uncovered urban sites, bronze implements, and tombs that point to the existence of Xia civilization in the same locations cited in ancient Chinese historical texts. At minimum, the Xia period marked an evolutionary stage between the late neolithic cultures and the typical Chinese urban civilization of the Shang dynasty.
Xia was conquered by Tang, and a new era had begun, the Shang-dynasty was founded.
[color="#800080"](Note other Chinese recountings of their history IIRC state that there was linear seguing from one dynasty to the next of the 3 foundational dynasties.)[/color]