12-06-2006, 03:14 AM
I disagree with you very strongly on the Kashmiri Pandit issue. I was there and old enough to be cognizant of developments. Old enough to understand the talk emanating from the Mosques in 1989. Fact remains, the minority people of Kashmir, a people whose only fault was their being Hindus were forced out from our nation by gun toting thugs.
What is so terrible about admitting this. What is so terrible about apologizing.
Just like Kashmiri Muslims, there are callous and caring Kashmiri Pandits.
I personally know Pandits, who condemn Indian atrocities without dancing around the topic. And, I also know, thankfuly, Kashmiri Muslims who condemn the ethnic cleansing of Pandits without dancing around the topic.
One such brave Kashmiri is the Reebok Human Rights award recipient- Khurram Parvez.
Nusrat
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India has a problem with Minorities.
It has shown itself to be incompetent at managing its minorities, primarily due to the Upper Caste Hindus of India who run the govt.
Maybe its time the Indian Muslims and Dalits asked the UN Security Council to step in and take the matter of Minorities in their hands, and out of the hands of the Indian govt.
Read this article and figure out how it applies to the condition of Muslims as well.
Gauhar
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India has failed in its attempt to declare Kashmir struggle as terrorist
movement
Friday December 01, 2006 (1620 PST)
ISLAMABAD, Dec 1 (Online): All Parties Hurriyat Conference Occupied Kashmir
branch's Central leader Syed Salim Gillani has said that India has failed in its
every attempt to declare the freedom struggle in Kashmir as a terrorist movement
and the UN has to differentiate between the right of self determination and
terrorists movements otherwise the dream of world peace would remain a distant
dream .
He expressed these views while talking to reporters upon arriving at the
Islamabad airport on Friday from Indian held Kashmir for a 15 day visit .
He was given a warm welcome upon his arrival by APHC (AJK) Branch convener Syed
Yousaf Naseem and other Leaders .
He said that Pakistan has been a strong advocate for the Kashmir cause during
the past 59 years and has amicably highlighted the Kashmir issue at the world
for a .
He said that India cannot keep its oppressive rule on the Kashmiri nation for
long. He said that Kashmiris along both sides of the Kashmir should be allowed
to meet each other and provision of visa should be made easy .
He said we have never opposed Pak-India talks however Kashmir as a party to the
dispute cannot be negated. He said for the past 59 years we are in a state of
war however we would win this war with the sacrifices of kashmiris .
Salim Gillani also visited the shrine of Ch Falah Abbas at Faizabad and prayed
specially for the martyred Kashmiris .
End.
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INDIA HAS A PROBLEM WITH MINORITIES.
THE UPPER CASTE, MEGALOMANIACAL HINDUS HAVE DECIDED THAT THEY WILL ENFORCE THEIR VERSION OF HINDUISM ON MUSLIMS AND OTHER MINORITIES. IN THE EDITORIAL BELOW, THE WORD DALITS COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN SWITCHED WITH THE WORD MUSLIMS.
KASHMIRIS NEED TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE WITH INDIA. LOOK AT HOW DALITS ARE FARING...AND 99% OF THEM ARE HINDUS!! WHAT HOPE DO WE MUSLIMS HAVE?
GAUHAR
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TODAY'S EDITORIAL: Seeds of Violence
[2 Dec, 2006 0000hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]
The widespread violence in Maharashtra is an indication of the repressed rage simmering underneath the glitter of an economically resurgent India.
The immediate provocation for Thursday's protests was the desecration of a statue of Babasaheb Ambedkar in Kanpur.
The incident acted as a trigger for Dalit groups across Maharashtra, upset over the lynching of a Dalit family in Khairlanji near Nagpur a few weeks ago, to take to the streets.
The violence and destruction of public property that has followed the protests is deplorable. However, the Maharashtra government can't escape the blame for its inept handling of the Khairlanji incident and letting events go out of control.
The state machinery had sought to underplay a clear case of caste atrocity and blamed Naxalites for organising protests in Nagpur and around.
Agitators were branded as Maoist extremists and forced to go underground. The failure of the government to be a non-partisan arbiter of justice has left Dalits in the state a bitter and angry lot.
Dalits in Maharashtra have a long history of political mobilisation and assertion, thanks to Ambedkar and the freedom movement.
However, this is not reflected in the state's public institutions including the bureaucracy and police. Moreover, the upper caste elite of the state, especially in villages and small towns, has resisted attempts of Dalits to assert their social and political rights.
The failure of public institutions and the civil society to ensure justice to all sections of the population has left marginalised and oppressed communities across the country, and there are many of them, with a sense of victimhood and repressed rage.
This victimhood assumes violent forms at the slightest provocation. The standard response of the state machinery to all such assertions has been to spin conspiracy theories and use force to suppress even genuine political protests.
Political parties find it easy to whip up mob fury and destroy public property to express dissent, rather than explore civil and legitimate forms of protest.
The failure of state institutions and the political mainstream to democratise the public sphere has spawned the politics of identity.
Political parties, rather than stem the tide, have sought to exploit the situation by pitting one community against another.
Politics has been reduced to a cynical exercise of managing identities at the risk of compromising the collective well-being of society.
Civil society too has fallen for this divisive politics; the lynching of a Dalit becomes a concern only of Dalits while institutional discrimination against Muslims is reduced to a minority issue.
It is time political parties and civil society realise that a people succeed only when they stand together and negotiate their differences peacefully.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/OPINION...show/675861.cms
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What is so terrible about admitting this. What is so terrible about apologizing.
Just like Kashmiri Muslims, there are callous and caring Kashmiri Pandits.
I personally know Pandits, who condemn Indian atrocities without dancing around the topic. And, I also know, thankfuly, Kashmiri Muslims who condemn the ethnic cleansing of Pandits without dancing around the topic.
One such brave Kashmiri is the Reebok Human Rights award recipient- Khurram Parvez.
Nusrat
--
India has a problem with Minorities.
It has shown itself to be incompetent at managing its minorities, primarily due to the Upper Caste Hindus of India who run the govt.
Maybe its time the Indian Muslims and Dalits asked the UN Security Council to step in and take the matter of Minorities in their hands, and out of the hands of the Indian govt.
Read this article and figure out how it applies to the condition of Muslims as well.
Gauhar
--
India has failed in its attempt to declare Kashmir struggle as terrorist
movement
Friday December 01, 2006 (1620 PST)
ISLAMABAD, Dec 1 (Online): All Parties Hurriyat Conference Occupied Kashmir
branch's Central leader Syed Salim Gillani has said that India has failed in its
every attempt to declare the freedom struggle in Kashmir as a terrorist movement
and the UN has to differentiate between the right of self determination and
terrorists movements otherwise the dream of world peace would remain a distant
dream .
He expressed these views while talking to reporters upon arriving at the
Islamabad airport on Friday from Indian held Kashmir for a 15 day visit .
He was given a warm welcome upon his arrival by APHC (AJK) Branch convener Syed
Yousaf Naseem and other Leaders .
He said that Pakistan has been a strong advocate for the Kashmir cause during
the past 59 years and has amicably highlighted the Kashmir issue at the world
for a .
He said that India cannot keep its oppressive rule on the Kashmiri nation for
long. He said that Kashmiris along both sides of the Kashmir should be allowed
to meet each other and provision of visa should be made easy .
He said we have never opposed Pak-India talks however Kashmir as a party to the
dispute cannot be negated. He said for the past 59 years we are in a state of
war however we would win this war with the sacrifices of kashmiris .
Salim Gillani also visited the shrine of Ch Falah Abbas at Faizabad and prayed
specially for the martyred Kashmiris .
End.
----
INDIA HAS A PROBLEM WITH MINORITIES.
THE UPPER CASTE, MEGALOMANIACAL HINDUS HAVE DECIDED THAT THEY WILL ENFORCE THEIR VERSION OF HINDUISM ON MUSLIMS AND OTHER MINORITIES. IN THE EDITORIAL BELOW, THE WORD DALITS COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN SWITCHED WITH THE WORD MUSLIMS.
KASHMIRIS NEED TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE WITH INDIA. LOOK AT HOW DALITS ARE FARING...AND 99% OF THEM ARE HINDUS!! WHAT HOPE DO WE MUSLIMS HAVE?
GAUHAR
-------------------------------------------------------------------
TODAY'S EDITORIAL: Seeds of Violence
[2 Dec, 2006 0000hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]
The widespread violence in Maharashtra is an indication of the repressed rage simmering underneath the glitter of an economically resurgent India.
The immediate provocation for Thursday's protests was the desecration of a statue of Babasaheb Ambedkar in Kanpur.
The incident acted as a trigger for Dalit groups across Maharashtra, upset over the lynching of a Dalit family in Khairlanji near Nagpur a few weeks ago, to take to the streets.
The violence and destruction of public property that has followed the protests is deplorable. However, the Maharashtra government can't escape the blame for its inept handling of the Khairlanji incident and letting events go out of control.
The state machinery had sought to underplay a clear case of caste atrocity and blamed Naxalites for organising protests in Nagpur and around.
Agitators were branded as Maoist extremists and forced to go underground. The failure of the government to be a non-partisan arbiter of justice has left Dalits in the state a bitter and angry lot.
Dalits in Maharashtra have a long history of political mobilisation and assertion, thanks to Ambedkar and the freedom movement.
However, this is not reflected in the state's public institutions including the bureaucracy and police. Moreover, the upper caste elite of the state, especially in villages and small towns, has resisted attempts of Dalits to assert their social and political rights.
The failure of public institutions and the civil society to ensure justice to all sections of the population has left marginalised and oppressed communities across the country, and there are many of them, with a sense of victimhood and repressed rage.
This victimhood assumes violent forms at the slightest provocation. The standard response of the state machinery to all such assertions has been to spin conspiracy theories and use force to suppress even genuine political protests.
Political parties find it easy to whip up mob fury and destroy public property to express dissent, rather than explore civil and legitimate forms of protest.
The failure of state institutions and the political mainstream to democratise the public sphere has spawned the politics of identity.
Political parties, rather than stem the tide, have sought to exploit the situation by pitting one community against another.
Politics has been reduced to a cynical exercise of managing identities at the risk of compromising the collective well-being of society.
Civil society too has fallen for this divisive politics; the lynching of a Dalit becomes a concern only of Dalits while institutional discrimination against Muslims is reduced to a minority issue.
It is time political parties and civil society realise that a people succeed only when they stand together and negotiate their differences peacefully.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/OPINION...show/675861.cms
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