10-07-2011, 09:42 PM
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dhu ji,
Calling your attention to a post by Surasena in BRF in thread [url="http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3978&start=2720"]Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies[/url] (pg. 69) which quotes from [url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RajivMalhotraDiscussion/message/1446"]this message[/url] in Rajiv Malhotra discussion. The message quoted below:
[/size][indent][size="3"]
[size="3"] mentions in the video.[/size]
[size="3"] Ref: [url="http://splicd.com/mhHQNrL_bkM/533/545"]http://splicd.com/mhHQNrL_bkM/533/545[/url][/size]
[size="3"] Timeline: 8:53 to 9:05[/size]
[size="3"] <quote>[/size]
[size="3"]According to Narayana Murthy, when he was asked why Indians were so good in IT,[/size]
[size="3"] rather than explain that we have a whole learning tradition, he said"Thanks for[/size]
[size="3"] the British for teaching us Maths and Science."[/size]
[size="3"] </quote>[/size]
[size="3"] Rajiv response: I heard this in his talk in 2003 at the Bangalore conference[/size]
[size="3"] organized jointly organized by Templeton and Infinity Foundation. I felt he was[/size]
[size="3"] impressing the western guests. The "scientific debt to colonialism" is a common[/size]
[size="3"] theme amongst many leftists. Gyan Prakash of Princeton has written a book on[/size]
[size="3"] Indian science during the British period in which the direction of influence is[/size]
[size="3"] onw-way from Europe to India as if the europeans learned nothing scientific from[/size]
[size="3"] Indians. (Mr. Murthy has said that he was rooted as a leftist in his younger[/size]
[size="3"] days but that he later turned into a capitalist. That kind of rejection of the[/size]
[size="3"] left is for its economic model only, but it does not automatically involve[/size]
[size="3"] embracing the dharma paradigm.) The key issue is: where lies the root of[/size]
[size="3"] Indians' competence in science? The west claims to have invented the scientific[/size]
[size="3"] method - a claim many Indians accept. Thats why I started the very ambitious[/size]
[size="3"] project of doing 20 volumes on the History of Indian Science and Technology, of[/size]
[size="3"] which 8 are published already. What is more troubling than a random remark is[/size]
[size="3"] that Mr. Murthy's foundation has given a multi million dollar grant to bring out[/size]
[size="3"] English translations of Indian classical works, and the editor in control is[/size]
[size="3"] Sheldon Pollock. A brilliant Sanskritist no doubt, Pollock's interpretations[/size]
[size="3"] have tilted towards things like: Aryan invasion theory, dalits being oppressed[/size]
[size="3"] by sanskrit under brahmin control, etc. In some of the volumes of Indian[/size]
[size="3"] classics which he did under a different series, such ideologies came through in[/size]
[size="3"] various ways direct and indirect. For the same amount of money, Mr. Murthy could[/size]
[size="3"] have re-ignited a whole India based Sanskrit scholarship and translation under[/size]
[size="3"] the guidance of pandits. Of course, its his hard earned money and we respect his[/size]
[size="3"] right to spend it howsoever he chooses. I am merely expressing my personal[/size]
[size="3"] opinion on how I wish our tycoons would back their own civilization in the same[/size]
[size="3"] manner as American tycoons helped build their civilizational foundations. The[/size]
[size="3"] Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie philanthropy did not go to foreign scholars to write[/size]
[size="3"] American history.[/size][size="3"] [/size]
[/indent][size="3"]Responses on BRF:
[/size][indent][size="3"][quote name="acharya"]How by indoctrinating one generation of wealthy Indians and global Indians they can submerse an entire civilization.[/size]
[size="3"]No other large country has gone through this kind of experience.[/quote][/size]
[size="3"][quote name="abhischekcc"]... Even in India Mukesh Ambani, Narayan Murthy and Nanadan Nilekani types are being used to subvert the old system. IIRC and AFAIK, Mukesh Ambani and Narayan Murthy pressurised Indian government not to go to war against Pakistan suring Op praakram. Now, Nilekani's project will be used to gather data on India. Bill gates has already staked his claim on the project, and Infy has got a cut in the form of 3 year contract for exclusively providing customer service to MS.[/quote][/size]
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dhu ji,
Calling your attention to a post by Surasena in BRF in thread [url="http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3978&start=2720"]Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies[/url] (pg. 69) which quotes from [url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RajivMalhotraDiscussion/message/1446"]this message[/url] in Rajiv Malhotra discussion. The message quoted below:
[/size][indent][size="3"]
Quote:I am looking for a source for the quote from Narayana Murthy that Rajiv-ji[/size]
[size="3"] mentions in the video.[/size]
[size="3"] Ref: [url="http://splicd.com/mhHQNrL_bkM/533/545"]http://splicd.com/mhHQNrL_bkM/533/545[/url][/size]
[size="3"] Timeline: 8:53 to 9:05[/size]
[size="3"] <quote>[/size]
[size="3"]According to Narayana Murthy, when he was asked why Indians were so good in IT,[/size]
[size="3"] rather than explain that we have a whole learning tradition, he said"Thanks for[/size]
[size="3"] the British for teaching us Maths and Science."[/size]
[size="3"] </quote>[/size]
[size="3"] Rajiv response: I heard this in his talk in 2003 at the Bangalore conference[/size]
[size="3"] organized jointly organized by Templeton and Infinity Foundation. I felt he was[/size]
[size="3"] impressing the western guests. The "scientific debt to colonialism" is a common[/size]
[size="3"] theme amongst many leftists. Gyan Prakash of Princeton has written a book on[/size]
[size="3"] Indian science during the British period in which the direction of influence is[/size]
[size="3"] onw-way from Europe to India as if the europeans learned nothing scientific from[/size]
[size="3"] Indians. (Mr. Murthy has said that he was rooted as a leftist in his younger[/size]
[size="3"] days but that he later turned into a capitalist. That kind of rejection of the[/size]
[size="3"] left is for its economic model only, but it does not automatically involve[/size]
[size="3"] embracing the dharma paradigm.) The key issue is: where lies the root of[/size]
[size="3"] Indians' competence in science? The west claims to have invented the scientific[/size]
[size="3"] method - a claim many Indians accept. Thats why I started the very ambitious[/size]
[size="3"] project of doing 20 volumes on the History of Indian Science and Technology, of[/size]
[size="3"] which 8 are published already. What is more troubling than a random remark is[/size]
[size="3"] that Mr. Murthy's foundation has given a multi million dollar grant to bring out[/size]
[size="3"] English translations of Indian classical works, and the editor in control is[/size]
[size="3"] Sheldon Pollock. A brilliant Sanskritist no doubt, Pollock's interpretations[/size]
[size="3"] have tilted towards things like: Aryan invasion theory, dalits being oppressed[/size]
[size="3"] by sanskrit under brahmin control, etc. In some of the volumes of Indian[/size]
[size="3"] classics which he did under a different series, such ideologies came through in[/size]
[size="3"] various ways direct and indirect. For the same amount of money, Mr. Murthy could[/size]
[size="3"] have re-ignited a whole India based Sanskrit scholarship and translation under[/size]
[size="3"] the guidance of pandits. Of course, its his hard earned money and we respect his[/size]
[size="3"] right to spend it howsoever he chooses. I am merely expressing my personal[/size]
[size="3"] opinion on how I wish our tycoons would back their own civilization in the same[/size]
[size="3"] manner as American tycoons helped build their civilizational foundations. The[/size]
[size="3"] Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie philanthropy did not go to foreign scholars to write[/size]
[size="3"] American history.[/size][size="3"] [/size]
[/indent][size="3"]Responses on BRF:
[/size][indent][size="3"][quote name="acharya"]How by indoctrinating one generation of wealthy Indians and global Indians they can submerse an entire civilization.[/size]
[size="3"]No other large country has gone through this kind of experience.[/quote][/size]
[size="3"][quote name="abhischekcc"]... Even in India Mukesh Ambani, Narayan Murthy and Nanadan Nilekani types are being used to subvert the old system. IIRC and AFAIK, Mukesh Ambani and Narayan Murthy pressurised Indian government not to go to war against Pakistan suring Op praakram. Now, Nilekani's project will be used to gather data on India. Bill gates has already staked his claim on the project, and Infy has got a cut in the form of 3 year contract for exclusively providing customer service to MS.[/quote][/size]
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