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This refers to the articles, âAbusing Freedom and falsifying Godsâ by Kanchan Gupta and âBashing Christians yet againâ by Dominic Emmanuel (Think Pad, March 25). Since the days of the Raj, efforts to convert people to Christianity has followed a certain modus operandi: First, denigrate Hinduism and its Gods. Second, target the poor and illiterate sections of the Hindu society by offering material inducements. Third, resort to subterfuge on gullible Hindus in order to convert them. The following is a quote from the Christian Missionary Activities Enquiry Committee Report â 1956: âRama, Krishna, Mahadev, etc., cannot confer salvation as they themselves were encoiled in vices of various kinds â From the Gods to Brahma, they are all in the grip of sin.â Thus Haqeeqat is neither the first of such calumny, nor will it be the last. As for conversion through material inducements, it is worthwhile to quote from famous British journalist Mark Tullyâs book, No Full Stops in India: âOne Roman Catholic friend of mine still refers to <b>Harijan converts as âpowder milk Christiansâ</b>, and there is no doubt that these people â the poorest of the poor â were attracted by the missionariesâ promises to feed their bodies, rather than the prospect of spiritual nourishment.â On the aspect of subterfuge, Sita Ram Goel in his incisive work, Catholic Ashrams, brought to light the manner in which the nefarious activity is carried out. <b>He also disclosed the existence of a new âscriptureâ, the âYesu-r-Vedaâ of Rev De Nobili, founder of the Saccidananda Ashram, in Tamil Nadu</b>. âYesuâ is the Tamil word for Jesus. An obvious distortion of the Yajurveda, this parody on the one hand belittles the Hindu scripture and on the other, makes it sound like lessons from Jesus Christ. Dominic Emmanuel has ended his article with a rhetorical question as to who will care for the sick and infirm when the hospitals run by missionaries close down? <b>It is best to quote what Mahatma Gandhi said in a discussion with a missionary published in, Harijan: âBut whilst you give medical help you expect the reward in the shape of your patients becoming Christians.â (July 18, 1936)</b>
H Balakrishnan
Pioneer.com
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This reminds me of the boxer rebellion in China, more than 100 years ago. In that revolt there was a picture drawn by the Chinese that showed Jesus as a pig.
We need to show Christianity in precisely the same way they portray us. Fight fire with fire. We need a big billboard in India showing Pat Robertson as a angry devil.
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First educate Hindus, They should proudly tell their religion "Hindu" or Sanatan Dharma
Don't let other Hindus to ridicule rituals like now a days its became fashion to degrade rituals e.g Congress party did Havana and used political leaders pictures as offering to Havan Kund. One should protest them also.
Don't ridicule Hindu priest. Indian cinema had made an impression that Hindu priest are thief or rapist or charas addicts and Christian priest are protector. Truth we know its other way round.
Hindu priests are poorest among any community. Support and respect them. Donate them generously.
Learn Sanskrit. Use Sanskrit words as much as possible.
Indian communist had made business ridiculing Indic civilization.
We have to start from our home first.
Next step, don't hesitate correcting others or other culture that are ignorant or pretend to be ignorant.
I am not a great fan of Swamy but here he is 100% correct.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>One Hindu lion is better than ten thousand Hindu goats. Either Hindus must learn to hunt when attacked, or be hunted and consumed.
So, what should a good Hindu believe in ? In my view such a Hindu should hold that:
[1] India is an ancient land of the Hindus with the longest unbroken civilisation; Every Hindu must, therefore, debunk and reject the Aryan-Dravidian race migration theory;
[2] A Hindu should retaliate in hot pursuit of aggressors when his religious symbols and his country are attacked, and a good Hindu would prefer to lose everything than submit to tyranny or blackmail, or be afraid of risking nuclear war when the nation's integrity is at stake;
[3] A Hindu must repudiate the birth-based concept of caste system and seek Hindu consolidation by recognising no other social categorisation except by educational attainment;
[4] A Hindu must strive to communicate with other Hindus in Hindi with a Sanskrit vocabulary, and keep Sanskritising Hindi till it becomes Sanskrit;
[5] A Hindu will resolutely oppose collective or group conversion of Hindus to other religious faiths by demanding a comprehensive legislation to ban such conversions, while the same time being ever ready to welcome back to the Hindu fold any Muslim or Christian by conversion without allowing the caste factor to be an obstacle in their assimilation</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps we need to build a consensus on ridicule of religions, especially other religions. The way things are, hindus think its ok to make fun of their own gods but find it politically incorrect to make fun of jesus/muhammad. Why ? They arent even gods but just meagre prophets ? Then why this dhimmitude ?
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Indian express op-ed
This weekâs editorial exults over the ââlandmarkââ Supreme Court judgement upholding the provisions of the United Khasi Jaintia Hills Autonomous District (Appointment and Succession of Chiefs and Headman) Act, which exclude persons belonging to the Christian faith from contesting elections to the post of Dolloi (headman) in Elaka Jowai in Meghalaya. Since the tribal custom is to appoint one headman who performs both administrative and religious functions, the apex court agreed with the High Court that a Christian could not be a dolloi since he cannot perform the religious functions of the community.
Although the SC does not conflate tribal with Hindu custom, the editorial hails the verdict as a <b>ââblow to conversionââ and uses the occasion to slam Christian missionaries for ââsystematically trying to spread disaffection, confusion and anarchy in the tribal belt.ââ </b>
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Your recent piece on the Catholic Churchâs deceptive activities (âCatholic Church Expands Deceptive Program of âIndianization,â â Hindu Press International, Oct. 30, 2005) is very interesting. I am Canadian of British background, as well as a teacher and writer on yoga. My heart is in the Upanishads and the life and teachings of Ramana Maharshi. I consider Gandhi to be the greatest modern example of karma yoga in its highest expression. The Catholic Church is doing the same nonsense in India which it has done to the native peoples of Canada since the fifteenth century. Reading about Christian-run schools in India reminds me of a horrifying period in Canadian Native history. Canadaâs infamous residential schools (sixty percent of which were run by the Catholic Church) indoctrinated aboriginal children with Catholic dogma, forbade them to speak their native tongues, disparaged their cultural values and made every effort to assimilate them into white society.
These wonderful indigenous peoples have been demoralized, and their cultural and spiritual traditions completely undermined by the pernicious influence of this chauvinistic institution. It is simply enslavement done in the name of Jesus. Hidden From History, by Kevin Annett, gives a full account of the devastation caused to the aboriginal peoples of Canada. Does this sound familiar? It should, because this is essentially what the Catholic Church, their phony sadhus and other evangelical churches are doing in India today. Hindus, take note! Furthermore, the Government of India must take a strong stand against efforts to convert Hindus, especially among those who are weak and vulnerable. Respecting religious freedom does not mean tolerating aggressive proselytizing. If anything, proselytizing is itself a violation of human rights and should be stopped whenever and wherever it raises its ugly head. Hindus must all become little Gandhis when it comes to protecting the Sanatana Dharma, i.e. nonviolent warriors. As a devotee of the Sanatana Dharma myself, I often repeat a prayer that was spoken by the modern sage, Ramana Maharshi: âO Vinayaka, who wrote on a scroll the words of the great sage Vyasa and who presides at the victorious Arunachala, do remove the disease of ignorance which is the cause of repeated births and protect, graciously, the great and noble Upanishadic faith, which brims with the honey of the Self.â
Breaking a 2,000-year-old tradition, the Catholic church in Kerala will permit girls to perform certain altar duties, which have normally been done by boys till now. Girls upto the age of 14 will be allowed to "serve the altar" and assist the priest in liturgical ceremonies.
The text above is quoted from an earlier post.
That's like rearranging the dust on the furniture. The church should offer to pay
and churchmen should undergo sex-change surgeries.
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The comments are hilarious.. Religion of 'peace' has an able partner.
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Indiaâs Rajasthan state assembly bans religious conversions
* BJP says conversion were weakening communal harmony
JAIPUR: A western Indian state on Friday passed a controversial bill prohibiting religious conversions, bringing renewed focus on an issue that has triggered communal violence and been used as a political tool.
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For decades, Indiaâs Hindu revivalists have accused Christian missionaries of bribing poor tribespeople to change their faith, but Christians deny mass conversions and say those who do convert do so to escape the rigid Hindu caste hierarchy. </b>Authorities in Rajasthan state, ruled by the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), said it was banning religious conversions because they were weakening communal harmony.
âSome religious institutions, bodies and individuals are involved in unlawful conversion by allurement or by fraudulent means or forcibly,â Gulab Chand Kataria, Rajasthanâs interior minister, said.
âIn order to curb such illegal activities and to maintain harmony, we have enacted a special law.â Any breach of the new proposal could be punished with up to five years in prison and a hefty fine, he said.
The act was passed by the state lawmakers, but still needs to be ratified by the governor to take effect. The move has attracted stinging criticism from other political parties and religious groups, who accuse the Hindu right wing of whipping up fear for political ends.
âSuch an act defies logic, since conversion activities had rarely been reported in the stateâ, said Salim Engineer, state general secretary of Jamait-e-Islami Hind, describing the move as an âact of fascismâ.
Tension between Christians and Hindus flared up in 1998 when prayer halls were torched in the western state of Gujarat, and in 1999 when an Australian missionary and his two young sons were burnt to death in a remote tribal area in the eastern state of Orissa.
Hindus account for about 80 percent of Indiaâs 1.1 billion people and Christians under three percent. Muslims make up around 14 percent but conversions between Hindus and Muslims are extremely rare.
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Hindu groups say they are worried by the growing Christian influence in remote tribal-dominated pockets in the countryâs east, west and centre.
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This, they say, can only be checked by âreconvertingâ the tribal Christians to Hinduism and they often organise re-conversion ceremonies. Reuters
<b>BJP condemns Christian preaching at Tirumala</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Andhra Pradesh unit of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) on Monday condemned the alleged preaching by Christian missionaries at Tirumala.
In a statement, the party general secretary K Lakshman claimed the government ignored BJP's complaints that the missionaries were trying to build a church at Tirumala.
<b>The party's suspicion was confirmed when some youth were caught preaching Christianity at the abode of Lord Sri Venkateswara and later let off by the police, he alleged</b>.
Stating the episode disturbed the entire Hindu community, Dr Lakshman had alleged conversions had received a shot in the arm after YS Rajasekhara Reddy became the Chief Minister
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<b>After achieving success in running schools and colleges, Christian missionaries are now set to enter the field of medical education. </b>
Taking the lead, the Church of North India (CNI) has decided to open a nursing college in Behala. It will be the seventh nursing institution in the state, and the <b>first to be controlled by the church.</b>
âMost schools and colleges run by us in Calcutta and elsewhere in the districts have been highly successful in imparting quality education to students from all sections of society. We now feel we should open medical institutions to produce efficient doctors and nurses,â said Reverend P.S.P. Raju, bishop of Calcutta Diocese of CNI.
The state government has already issued a no-objection certificate for the Behala institution, which will be called Florence College of Nursing. The Indian Council of Nursing, which regulates nursing education and curriculum in the country, will conduct an inspection by the end of April, Bishop Raju said.
The institution, to be affiliated with the West Bengal University of Health Science, will offer a two-year B.Sc course in nursing. Candidates with a diploma in general nursing and midwifery will be eligible for studying the course.
<b>Christian missionaries, despite their success in running some of the best medical colleges in southern states, could not open a centre in the city or the districts because of a state government law that prevented private groups from opening such an institution. The law was repealed only three years ago.</b>
Bishop Raju said if the nursing college functions successfully, the CNI will take the initiative in opening medical colleges.
Apart from the CNI, other Christian organisations, too, are planning to open medical institutions in the city. One of them is Welland Gouldsmith Educational and Charitable Society, an organisation run by city-based Anglo-Indians.
âWe have already prepared a proposal for opening a medical college,â said Rosemary Gillian Hart, principal of Welland Gouldsmith School and an official of the trust that runs the charitable society.
âWe will approach the state government for land in the Rajarhat area or on Eastern Metropolitan Bypass,â she added.
Father Peter Arulraj, priest in-charge of the educational institutions controlled by the Roman Catholic Church, said: âThe dioceses under the Roman Catholic Church functioning in Calcutta and in other parts of the state were unable to extend their services to the field of medical education due to certain technical problems. <b>We will gradually extend our services to medical education once we find the situation here as favourable as in the south.â</b>
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 SURYA NARAIN SAXENA
I n response to Ms Sandhya Jainâs article, âConversion not a personal matterâ (April 4), Mr Priyadarsi Dutta has in his letter âBefuddling worldviewâ (April 7) gone overboard. Interestingly, he argues as if the printing press were invented by Jesus Christ and journalism had its origin in Bible! The authorâs use of the two is incongruous. One need not remind him the relation of Urdu language with Islam and, though a beautiful language, what divisive role it played in aggravating Muslim communalism and in the creation of Pakistan.
It is recalled that Munshi Premchand used to write in Urdu initially; only later did he switch to Hindi. Should we ostracise Firaq Gorakhpuri (Raghupati Sahay), GC Narang, Jagannath Azad, Brij Narain Chakbast or Ram Prasad âBismilâ and other countless Hindus, who wrote and enriched Urdu, only because they embraced a language that appears alien to the uninitiated?
Who can forget Pratap and Milap, two Urdu dailies from Lahore and Tej of Delhi, founded by no less a person than Hindu martyr Swami Shraddhananda (who also founded Gurukul Kangri)? Almost the entire Hindu consciousness in north India, even before and after the advent of Swami Dayananda and Arya Samaj, got vent through Urdu publications. Urdu was the most powerful vehicle of propagation of thoughts in those days. Would one attribute these great menâs adoption of Urdu for their literary works to their vested interest in Islam?
A majority of Hindus find no difference between the two monotheistic religions because their tenets, the treatment they mete out to believers of other faiths, their history and their means of expansion â invasion and conversion â and their imperialist deeds and designs are similar and concentric.
Atrocities on Hindus by Mahmud Ghaznavi, Mohammad Ghauri, Babar, Aurangzeb and their ilk are too well known to merit a repeat here. <b>However, the history of the Church is as much soaked in blood. An excerpt from the oath administered to Christian missionaries reveals the character of Christianity: âThat I will spare neither age, sex nor condition and I will hang waste boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics (non-Christians), rip up the wombs of their women and crush their heads against walls in order to annihilate forever their execrable ranch...â Islam and Christianity both divide humanity into two: Muslims and kafirs (infidels) and Christians and heathens. Also, elimination of people of other faiths is incumbent on Muslims for establishing the kingdom of Allah as it is on Christians to establish the kingdom of God.</b>
Should we allow the evangelists to reap a rich harvest of over 70 crore Dalit, backward, poor and ignorant Hindus or allow our Northeast to get totally Christianised and let it secede like East Timor from Indonesia?
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: Death of xianity salutary
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The death of xianity will eliminate the threat to the
world's spiritual environment. It will also restore the
planet's ecosystem and natural environment. Overbloated
churchmen are killing too many animals for food, fun
and profit, and cutting down too many trees for printing
copies of their worthless bible.
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Look at what is going on in their own back yard:
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By SCOTT BAUER
Associated Press Writer
LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) -- <b>In a move decried by some as state-sponsored segregation, the Legislature voted Thursday to divide the Omaha school system into three districts - one mostly black, one predominantly white and one largely Hispanic.</b>
Supporters said the plan would give minorities control over their own school board and ensure that their children are not shortchanged in favor of white youngsters.
<b>Republican Gov. Dave Heineman signed the measure into law.</b>
Omaha Sen. Pat Bourne decried the bill, saying, "We will go down in history as one of the first states in 20 years to set race relations back."
"History will not, and should not, judge us kindly," said Sen. Gwen Howard of Omaha.
Attorney General Jon Bruning sent a letter to one of the measure's opponents saying that the bill could be in violation of the Constitution's equal-protection clause and that lawsuits almost certainly will be filed.
But its backers said that at the very least, its passage will force policymakers to negotiate seriously about the future of schools in the Omaha area.
Chambers said the schools attended largely by minorities lack the resources and quality teachers provided others in the district. He said the black students he represents in north Omaha would receive a better education if they had more control over their district.
The 45,000-student Omaha school system is 46 percent white, 31 percent black, 20 percent Hispanic, and 3 percent Asian or American Indian.
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WORLDMARKET - supershop in California is selling framed pictures of traditional Hindu dieties.
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WORLDMARKET - supershop in California is selling framed pictures of traditional Hindu dieties.
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