Couldn't access IF yesterday when I wanted to post this:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story...779-601,00.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pacific allies to enlist India</b>
Dennis Shanahan, Political editor, in Tokyo
March 15, 2007
AUSTRALIA has been approached to dramatically upgrade its three-way security arrangements with Japan and the US to include India in a four-way security agreement that would encircle China.
The Japanese Government and US Vice-President Dick Cheney are keen to include the growing economic and military power of India in the already enhanced "trilateral" security arrangements, locking together the three most powerful democracies of the Asia-Pacific region.
Mr Cheney gave the Japanese proposal new life on his recent visit to Japan and Australia after sections of the Bush administration rebuffed the plan. He raised the idea in talks with John Howard in Sydney two weeks ago after discussing the plan with the Government of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in Tokyo.
The plan involves turning the trilateral security arrangements between Australia, Japan and the US into a "quadrilateral" arrangement including India.
<b>India's military power, economic growth and geographic position would significantly offset China's emerging power</b>, which is of concern to many in the Bush administration.
(As anticipated, India will have to play the fall guy: the one everyone hates. US already resents India - at least from the time lefty Indian govt stood 'neutral' in the Cold War.
China's govt already hates India as it is. But now it will have a reason to resent us. Oh, yay.
America is afraid of China, but won't or can't do anything itself. As usual, it has to get others to play footsoldiers.)
It is understood the Australian Government is not against the idea in principle but does not wish to hurry the process and wants to ensure that the heightened relationship with Japan is settled before embarking on any new arrangements. Mr Cheney's backing for the plan, which is understood to be strongly supported by the new Japanese Prime Minister, came only two weeks before Tuesday's signing of a historic security declaration between Japan and Australia, putting security, intelligence and military relations on the highest level they have been since World War II.
The disclosure of Mr Cheney's support for a plan that would close the back door on China is likely to cause deeper concern in Beijing, which is already accusing the US of attempting to contain its growth and influence.
Even as Mr Howard and Mr Abe signed the Japan-Australia joint declaration on security co-operation in the prime ministerial residence in Tokyo, the Chinese Government was expressing its concern at the new arrangements.
Chinese officials in Australia had previously expressed their concern at the "lack of transparency" in the new declaration between Australia and Japan - aimed at expanding links on counter-terrorism, people-smuggling and intelligence sharing. Beijing fears the intelligence sharing would be directed against China's missiles.
Mr Cheney said in Sydney: "The growing closeness among our three countries sends an unmistakable message - that we are united in the cause of peace and freedom across the region."
On Tuesday night in Tokyo, Mr Howard and Mr Abe noted the "shared democratic values" of Australia, the US, Japan and India, and Mr Abe said he thought continuing dialogue with India was a good idea, despite Chinese concerns.
Mr Howard went out of his way on his three-day visit to Japan to reassure China that the new security arrangements between Australia and Japan were not designed with China in mind.
"This agreement is not antagonistic to anyone," Mr Howard said in a joint press conference with Mr Abe.
The Prime Minister also said he believed the Chinese "at the bottom of their heart" knew the joint declaration was not aimed at them. Earlier, Mr Howard had said bluntly: "This document is not designed at China any more than other arrangements between Australia and other countries have been designed at third countries."
But the prospect of an understanding between four democracies surrounding China is likely to be viewed differently.
Kevin Rudd has said Labor would be against any plan to upgrade the Australia-Japan security declaration into a full security pact and signalled the ALP would oppose any steps to contain China. Mr Howard made it clear the new declaration was not like the ANZUS pact with the US, which requires mutual defence when one partner is attacked.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->US alternating between wanting to enlist India's help, while still wanting to break us up. And it certainly always wants to convert us. And that's supposed to be one of our 'friendly' countries. What a world.
How about if the US takes its missionaries and sends them off into outerspace/oceanbed/wherever heathenish peoples won't be troubled by them anymore. How about if they stop creating/getting think-tanks like RAND to specifically target Hindu organisations in India and sling mud against them by equating them to terrorist orgs like AQ or whatnot. How about they stop funding the christoterrorists in the NE, the Maoists in Nepal, the j-hadis in Pakistan and stop airlifting the T-ban to India? And stop propping up Sonia Gandhi or 'crown prince' Rahul Gandhi as our next leader. And how about they stop meddling in our country's affairs through their NGOs and other subversive plans? And stop funding 'Indian' media, communists and pseculars (like 'social activists'). Stop funding conversion and genocidal activities too. Stop creating/encouraging/humouring/ the psecular and compulsively lying anti-Indian, anti-Hindu 'Indian' gang by giving them associate professorships in US universities and giving them columns to spread their dawaganda in. Most importantly, they need to stop funding the evangelisation of India - we may be poor but we're not desperate to throw our lot in with other jeebus-junkies, we know to say No To Drugs.
Maybe then Indians might begin to think the US isn't just waiting to stab us in the back. Well, other Indians might - myself, I'm gone beyond the point of no-return when it comes to trusting the US govt to do anything benign, certainly for a heathen country.
That reminds me. One Chinese Buddhist friend of mine thinks the communist government has been long preparing for eventual war (or other joust) with US. If it ever really does come to war, and US and China both end up losing an arm and a leg, at least their meddling and terrorising India won't be as bad as now.
Since India is not the target, better get out of their way and let the big players play out their power game.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story...779-601,00.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pacific allies to enlist India</b>
Dennis Shanahan, Political editor, in Tokyo
March 15, 2007
AUSTRALIA has been approached to dramatically upgrade its three-way security arrangements with Japan and the US to include India in a four-way security agreement that would encircle China.
The Japanese Government and US Vice-President Dick Cheney are keen to include the growing economic and military power of India in the already enhanced "trilateral" security arrangements, locking together the three most powerful democracies of the Asia-Pacific region.
Mr Cheney gave the Japanese proposal new life on his recent visit to Japan and Australia after sections of the Bush administration rebuffed the plan. He raised the idea in talks with John Howard in Sydney two weeks ago after discussing the plan with the Government of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in Tokyo.
The plan involves turning the trilateral security arrangements between Australia, Japan and the US into a "quadrilateral" arrangement including India.
<b>India's military power, economic growth and geographic position would significantly offset China's emerging power</b>, which is of concern to many in the Bush administration.
(As anticipated, India will have to play the fall guy: the one everyone hates. US already resents India - at least from the time lefty Indian govt stood 'neutral' in the Cold War.
China's govt already hates India as it is. But now it will have a reason to resent us. Oh, yay.
America is afraid of China, but won't or can't do anything itself. As usual, it has to get others to play footsoldiers.)
It is understood the Australian Government is not against the idea in principle but does not wish to hurry the process and wants to ensure that the heightened relationship with Japan is settled before embarking on any new arrangements. Mr Cheney's backing for the plan, which is understood to be strongly supported by the new Japanese Prime Minister, came only two weeks before Tuesday's signing of a historic security declaration between Japan and Australia, putting security, intelligence and military relations on the highest level they have been since World War II.
The disclosure of Mr Cheney's support for a plan that would close the back door on China is likely to cause deeper concern in Beijing, which is already accusing the US of attempting to contain its growth and influence.
Even as Mr Howard and Mr Abe signed the Japan-Australia joint declaration on security co-operation in the prime ministerial residence in Tokyo, the Chinese Government was expressing its concern at the new arrangements.
Chinese officials in Australia had previously expressed their concern at the "lack of transparency" in the new declaration between Australia and Japan - aimed at expanding links on counter-terrorism, people-smuggling and intelligence sharing. Beijing fears the intelligence sharing would be directed against China's missiles.
Mr Cheney said in Sydney: "The growing closeness among our three countries sends an unmistakable message - that we are united in the cause of peace and freedom across the region."
On Tuesday night in Tokyo, Mr Howard and Mr Abe noted the "shared democratic values" of Australia, the US, Japan and India, and Mr Abe said he thought continuing dialogue with India was a good idea, despite Chinese concerns.
Mr Howard went out of his way on his three-day visit to Japan to reassure China that the new security arrangements between Australia and Japan were not designed with China in mind.
"This agreement is not antagonistic to anyone," Mr Howard said in a joint press conference with Mr Abe.
The Prime Minister also said he believed the Chinese "at the bottom of their heart" knew the joint declaration was not aimed at them. Earlier, Mr Howard had said bluntly: "This document is not designed at China any more than other arrangements between Australia and other countries have been designed at third countries."
But the prospect of an understanding between four democracies surrounding China is likely to be viewed differently.
Kevin Rudd has said Labor would be against any plan to upgrade the Australia-Japan security declaration into a full security pact and signalled the ALP would oppose any steps to contain China. Mr Howard made it clear the new declaration was not like the ANZUS pact with the US, which requires mutual defence when one partner is attacked.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->US alternating between wanting to enlist India's help, while still wanting to break us up. And it certainly always wants to convert us. And that's supposed to be one of our 'friendly' countries. What a world.
How about if the US takes its missionaries and sends them off into outerspace/oceanbed/wherever heathenish peoples won't be troubled by them anymore. How about if they stop creating/getting think-tanks like RAND to specifically target Hindu organisations in India and sling mud against them by equating them to terrorist orgs like AQ or whatnot. How about they stop funding the christoterrorists in the NE, the Maoists in Nepal, the j-hadis in Pakistan and stop airlifting the T-ban to India? And stop propping up Sonia Gandhi or 'crown prince' Rahul Gandhi as our next leader. And how about they stop meddling in our country's affairs through their NGOs and other subversive plans? And stop funding 'Indian' media, communists and pseculars (like 'social activists'). Stop funding conversion and genocidal activities too. Stop creating/encouraging/humouring/ the psecular and compulsively lying anti-Indian, anti-Hindu 'Indian' gang by giving them associate professorships in US universities and giving them columns to spread their dawaganda in. Most importantly, they need to stop funding the evangelisation of India - we may be poor but we're not desperate to throw our lot in with other jeebus-junkies, we know to say No To Drugs.
Maybe then Indians might begin to think the US isn't just waiting to stab us in the back. Well, other Indians might - myself, I'm gone beyond the point of no-return when it comes to trusting the US govt to do anything benign, certainly for a heathen country.
That reminds me. One Chinese Buddhist friend of mine thinks the communist government has been long preparing for eventual war (or other joust) with US. If it ever really does come to war, and US and China both end up losing an arm and a leg, at least their meddling and terrorising India won't be as bad as now.
Since India is not the target, better get out of their way and let the big players play out their power game.