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I totally missed this comment last time, on the same VV page. A "Hindoo narrative" and a very familiar one at that, but with one notable point of difference:
vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=2298
And the one I knew also went to every single Hindoo household that he was called to, including those homes of Hindoos whom other Hindoos did not usually visit. Back in those days there was still a lot of forest in the surroundings where he lived and the area was densely inhabited with families of nagapambus whose venom was lethal to creatures, and thus many Hindoos out on the land were often bitten (and even those at home). Among those he recalled going to help were occasionally Hindoos who actually shrank from his touch for fear that *he'd* get into trouble for it*. As touch he would: having to hold the arm of the bitten Hindoo and repeat the mantram for several long hours. And thus, very slowly but very definitely, the venom withdraws. (* He actually had to reassure them first to allay their fear, explaining there was no ban at all in his coming in contact with them, before these poor Hindoos felt comforted enough to allow him to help them.)
But then, that's what Hindoos do with their mantras: it is used for the welfare of others. It is obviously free, as all real help is, and it was specifically given to the initiates to be administered in society and to pass it down to responsible individuals (and the one I speak of was the very best and kindest of all I know) so that it could continue to benefit the Hindoo society which the Hindoos' Gods watched over. And the knowledge of this mantram was a great responsibility (and at times more than a responsibility) to those who were initiated because of the stringent Rule that went with it. The mantram in his line died with him: he deliberately chose to Not pass it on because 1. the forest had receded (no cobras in sight there now) and 2. because the responsibility of sticking to the rules was more than merely serious (and had consequences). And I suppose anti-venom would have become available so that it became unnecessary.
Something in all the above - to those Hindoos who know and hence comprehend the sort of matters it speaks of - explains what it is that Hindoos stand to lose when they allow themselves to be converted or even subverted/alienated in degrees out of their religion, or when they allow their religion to die as is happening now. Sure, all this may have become an inevitability, but it's one that's guaranteed to be something all concerned will regret more than they can perhaps imagine. (Though, if you don't know the extent of what you stand to lose, haven't you lost it already?)
There are far more such "Hindoo narratives" -absurd phrase- that underline the severity of the impending loss much more - and which show how Hindoos are defined as a population who continue to see/interact with their ancestral Gods (including even obtaining mantras and other Hindoo matters directly from their Gods). But Hindoos ought to know such things for themselves, not hear it from others let alone me (it becomes "3rd hand information"). It is when a large number of Hindoos cease to know/remember such things that their religion can be taken away from them and they can be made to believe/parrot ... anything. And then the number of subvertibles - i.e. the Gangrene - grows.
The religion of the Hindoo Gods - like those of the Daoist Gods etc, I understand - is true: because the Gods are real (and, for example, give their heathens things that Work).
I was surprised Nirnaami said it in public, while I'd have thought such things should remain private. But I'm now supposing it doesn't matter in this case for me to say stuff on top of it, because 1. only Hindoos who already *know* such things to be true - from their own family/direct circumstances - would even consider/accept it. There is no such thing as "belief" in Hindoo religion, so 2. those who don't know already, can't and won't be influenced by it just because the above has been said publicly. <- Essentially, it's like I didn't say anything. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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[More importantly: implicit is that none of the things described let alone alluded to above is anything the Aliens will *ever* be able to know :evil-grin: At most the Aliens can become aware of what the extent of Hindoos' heathenism was and still is (for the time that remains) - i.e. how Hindoos' ancestral religion *works* for Hindoos - and then realise how these things will Never, but Never, work for Aliens nor can ever be acquired/achieved by them no matter how much they stand on their head/dabble. And not only because these things rightly will die with the Hindoos, but because these things Cannot be resurrected by Aliens or reconstructed or whatever - recall their stupid "vedic reconstructionism" hobby.
Analogy: They can't resurrect/reconstruct it, in exactly the way humanity isn't famous for bringing people back from the dead. When it is dead it will remain dead in aliens' hands, just as what lives yet in Hindoos' hands never attains to a life in aliens'. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> It is not Aliens' religion after all, dabble as they will.]
I totally missed this comment last time, on the same VV page. A "Hindoo narrative" and a very familiar one at that, but with one notable point of difference:
vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=2298
Quote:Let me narrate something to silence those detractors who are full of animosity towards Brahmins harping on "untouchability".Ah someone who's said something I *know* to be true. Because I know exactly the same kind: a Tamizh Vedabrahmana - though not living in SeerkAzhi but in a state neighbouring TN - whose case was quite similar. He had also been initiated into a snake mantra that was handed down in his family. But the difference is that it *always* worked when he was called: as long as the victim was still alive when he got there, they would be saved by it. (Though it would take longer to cure those who had had the venom for longer in them.) He once told me there was one rule that went with the mantram: the Hindoo initiated in it must always go to help when their aid was sought in the matter. If they *ever* failed to go, the mantra would cease to work from then on. (<- And that's an example of why Hindoo religion ain't science and anyone who tells you otherwise obviously doesn't know what they're talking about and got their "hinduism" from booking it/from armchair-philosophy, rather than from those who *know* the Gods/religion. Yes the religion always Works, but No, not always - nor even usually - "scientifically". After all, if the religion were scientific, his mantram would have continued to work even if he had ever chosen to miss an occasion. And if it was merely the "vibrations" of the mantras that are the "potent/effective" force - as all new ageists keep advertising Hindoo mantras as - then the same vibrations would clearly be there if he were to ever break the rule once and were thereafter to continue saying it. Yet it wouldn't work in precisely such a case, as per the very rule that went with the mantram. The (breaking of) the rule has no scientific relation to the mantram's efficacy, and *yet* is completely related to this anyway: stick by the rules and it will work - thereby bringing people back from the otherwise-fatal consequence of sarpa bites. Break it and it WILL cease to work.)
It is about a Vedic Brahmin ( observing all Anushtanams ) who lived in Agraharam in a village in Seergazhi several years ago . Occasionally those working in fields were bitten by snakes. Some sos first aid was given. At once it would be reported to that Brahmin. He chanted some mantras rendering the snake venom harmless. In some rare cases also cautioned that person would not survive.
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Nirnaami
16 May 2012
And the one I knew also went to every single Hindoo household that he was called to, including those homes of Hindoos whom other Hindoos did not usually visit. Back in those days there was still a lot of forest in the surroundings where he lived and the area was densely inhabited with families of nagapambus whose venom was lethal to creatures, and thus many Hindoos out on the land were often bitten (and even those at home). Among those he recalled going to help were occasionally Hindoos who actually shrank from his touch for fear that *he'd* get into trouble for it*. As touch he would: having to hold the arm of the bitten Hindoo and repeat the mantram for several long hours. And thus, very slowly but very definitely, the venom withdraws. (* He actually had to reassure them first to allay their fear, explaining there was no ban at all in his coming in contact with them, before these poor Hindoos felt comforted enough to allow him to help them.)
But then, that's what Hindoos do with their mantras: it is used for the welfare of others. It is obviously free, as all real help is, and it was specifically given to the initiates to be administered in society and to pass it down to responsible individuals (and the one I speak of was the very best and kindest of all I know) so that it could continue to benefit the Hindoo society which the Hindoos' Gods watched over. And the knowledge of this mantram was a great responsibility (and at times more than a responsibility) to those who were initiated because of the stringent Rule that went with it. The mantram in his line died with him: he deliberately chose to Not pass it on because 1. the forest had receded (no cobras in sight there now) and 2. because the responsibility of sticking to the rules was more than merely serious (and had consequences). And I suppose anti-venom would have become available so that it became unnecessary.
Something in all the above - to those Hindoos who know and hence comprehend the sort of matters it speaks of - explains what it is that Hindoos stand to lose when they allow themselves to be converted or even subverted/alienated in degrees out of their religion, or when they allow their religion to die as is happening now. Sure, all this may have become an inevitability, but it's one that's guaranteed to be something all concerned will regret more than they can perhaps imagine. (Though, if you don't know the extent of what you stand to lose, haven't you lost it already?)
There are far more such "Hindoo narratives" -absurd phrase- that underline the severity of the impending loss much more - and which show how Hindoos are defined as a population who continue to see/interact with their ancestral Gods (including even obtaining mantras and other Hindoo matters directly from their Gods). But Hindoos ought to know such things for themselves, not hear it from others let alone me (it becomes "3rd hand information"). It is when a large number of Hindoos cease to know/remember such things that their religion can be taken away from them and they can be made to believe/parrot ... anything. And then the number of subvertibles - i.e. the Gangrene - grows.
The religion of the Hindoo Gods - like those of the Daoist Gods etc, I understand - is true: because the Gods are real (and, for example, give their heathens things that Work).
I was surprised Nirnaami said it in public, while I'd have thought such things should remain private. But I'm now supposing it doesn't matter in this case for me to say stuff on top of it, because 1. only Hindoos who already *know* such things to be true - from their own family/direct circumstances - would even consider/accept it. There is no such thing as "belief" in Hindoo religion, so 2. those who don't know already, can't and won't be influenced by it just because the above has been said publicly. <- Essentially, it's like I didn't say anything. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> [More importantly: implicit is that none of the things described let alone alluded to above is anything the Aliens will *ever* be able to know :evil-grin: At most the Aliens can become aware of what the extent of Hindoos' heathenism was and still is (for the time that remains) - i.e. how Hindoos' ancestral religion *works* for Hindoos - and then realise how these things will Never, but Never, work for Aliens nor can ever be acquired/achieved by them no matter how much they stand on their head/dabble. And not only because these things rightly will die with the Hindoos, but because these things Cannot be resurrected by Aliens or reconstructed or whatever - recall their stupid "vedic reconstructionism" hobby.
Analogy: They can't resurrect/reconstruct it, in exactly the way humanity isn't famous for bringing people back from the dead. When it is dead it will remain dead in aliens' hands, just as what lives yet in Hindoos' hands never attains to a life in aliens'. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> It is not Aliens' religion after all, dabble as they will.]