Post 53 (romani):
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The evilness of Bisantine empire was and stil is just a western and catholic propaganda,in order to show how much west -europe was moral comparative whit the Orient.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I am not referring to anti-Byzantine propaganda, I am referring to translations of letters and records of Byzantine Empresses.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->you know celts,germans and other made war and human sacrifice in order to go in heaven .This war like behavior of europeans was pass down until colonial age.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->History is written by the winners, so you'll never know what really happened let alone the reasoning. There's lots of Christian propaganda to sift through here.
Yes, Germanic people did make war and kill others. I never said they were a peaceful people before or during their Viking culture. You forget that most of the human sacrifices that Germans were accused of performing were recorded by early missionaries (collated under revered names like 'St Boniface'), who made it a point to paint the heathens as evil as they could. Whether 'human sacrifices' happened or not, the spin given to these tales is one of "typical evil behaviour of those evil heathens". If Christian murder of Germanic heathens by their millions (in trying to convert them) can not be considered human sacrifice to the bloodthirsty Jehova-Jesus combine (which does not tolerate other Gods before him), then neither do any 'human sacrifices' performed by Germanic and Norse people count.
Many missionaries <i>were</i> killed and were possibly hung out by Germanic heathens as a sign of a victory of their Gods over the evil intolerant Christian religion that had bludgeoned so many of them. Can't say I blame them for retaliating. But the Germanic and Norse heathens did not kill for reasons of intolerance derived from their religious traditions, so there <i>is</i> a significant difference.
Natural religions allow open-mindedness and do not stifle dissent or free thinking. Hence, Germanic and Celtic religions (if the latter did have human sacrifice, I don't know) would have evolved out of these things in time - had they been allowed to survive. On the other hand, the history of ChristoIslamism reads as a centuries-long chronicle of murder, massacre and mayhem.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Is no proof that christians have a destructive behavior before year 250.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You had PMed me before that there was no proof for destructive behaviour of Christians before the 4th century. I've gained 50 years in leeway now. The canonical Gospels themselves were not finalised into the 4 that are accepted today until the mid 2nd century. There was a lot of infighting between various tiny Christian sects before, during and after that. Also, even in small numbers they managed to be a trouble to the non-Christian Romans.
Karlheinz Deschner, German historian on Christianity, writes that even in Nero's time (~60 ce) Christians "were considered a small, uneducated group of religious troublemakers from the lowest social classes, operating in the shadowy sides of society."
Deschner refers to Roman sources, from where he finds that Christians were not a very popular group in Rome at this time. It's precisely because of their intolerant behaviour that this was so. ( http://www.bandoli.no/tolerance.htm )
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->all path lead to Moksha.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Who said that? It wasn't me. Moksha is a Hindu concept. <i>I personally think</i> it's merely another word to describe the ultimate realisation experienced by many people of natural religions the world over - I understand it as them not having been reborn.
In any case, I do know that the Gods or the Dao take care of righteous people and in this respect, they will look after all of us, whether we are north American native Americans or Hindus from India or Taoists from China.
I don't recognise hell/jekinnah, since it does not even stand the test of common sense let alone logic and reasoning. A murderous 'god' (OT) is a demon by definition and one that threatens with hell-fire (NT) is even worse. Such things are merely stories to scare people into believing (the carrot-stick method), they have no hold on truth.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The evilness of Bisantine empire was and stil is just a western and catholic propaganda,in order to show how much west -europe was moral comparative whit the Orient.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I am not referring to anti-Byzantine propaganda, I am referring to translations of letters and records of Byzantine Empresses.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->you know celts,germans and other made war and human sacrifice in order to go in heaven .This war like behavior of europeans was pass down until colonial age.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->History is written by the winners, so you'll never know what really happened let alone the reasoning. There's lots of Christian propaganda to sift through here.
Yes, Germanic people did make war and kill others. I never said they were a peaceful people before or during their Viking culture. You forget that most of the human sacrifices that Germans were accused of performing were recorded by early missionaries (collated under revered names like 'St Boniface'), who made it a point to paint the heathens as evil as they could. Whether 'human sacrifices' happened or not, the spin given to these tales is one of "typical evil behaviour of those evil heathens". If Christian murder of Germanic heathens by their millions (in trying to convert them) can not be considered human sacrifice to the bloodthirsty Jehova-Jesus combine (which does not tolerate other Gods before him), then neither do any 'human sacrifices' performed by Germanic and Norse people count.
Many missionaries <i>were</i> killed and were possibly hung out by Germanic heathens as a sign of a victory of their Gods over the evil intolerant Christian religion that had bludgeoned so many of them. Can't say I blame them for retaliating. But the Germanic and Norse heathens did not kill for reasons of intolerance derived from their religious traditions, so there <i>is</i> a significant difference.
Natural religions allow open-mindedness and do not stifle dissent or free thinking. Hence, Germanic and Celtic religions (if the latter did have human sacrifice, I don't know) would have evolved out of these things in time - had they been allowed to survive. On the other hand, the history of ChristoIslamism reads as a centuries-long chronicle of murder, massacre and mayhem.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Is no proof that christians have a destructive behavior before year 250.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You had PMed me before that there was no proof for destructive behaviour of Christians before the 4th century. I've gained 50 years in leeway now. The canonical Gospels themselves were not finalised into the 4 that are accepted today until the mid 2nd century. There was a lot of infighting between various tiny Christian sects before, during and after that. Also, even in small numbers they managed to be a trouble to the non-Christian Romans.
Karlheinz Deschner, German historian on Christianity, writes that even in Nero's time (~60 ce) Christians "were considered a small, uneducated group of religious troublemakers from the lowest social classes, operating in the shadowy sides of society."
Deschner refers to Roman sources, from where he finds that Christians were not a very popular group in Rome at this time. It's precisely because of their intolerant behaviour that this was so. ( http://www.bandoli.no/tolerance.htm )
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->all path lead to Moksha.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Who said that? It wasn't me. Moksha is a Hindu concept. <i>I personally think</i> it's merely another word to describe the ultimate realisation experienced by many people of natural religions the world over - I understand it as them not having been reborn.
In any case, I do know that the Gods or the Dao take care of righteous people and in this respect, they will look after all of us, whether we are north American native Americans or Hindus from India or Taoists from China.
I don't recognise hell/jekinnah, since it does not even stand the test of common sense let alone logic and reasoning. A murderous 'god' (OT) is a demon by definition and one that threatens with hell-fire (NT) is even worse. Such things are merely stories to scare people into believing (the carrot-stick method), they have no hold on truth.