02-25-2009, 01:57 AM
(This post was last modified: 02-25-2009, 04:33 PM by HareKrishna.)
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Feb 14 2009, 05:19 AM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Feb 14 2009, 05:19 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem was whit <b>Husky</b> which in his <b>battle</b> agains Iskon,hit not only them but also in <b>other branches of vaishnava(70% of hindus estimate) and even hinduism.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What the? What did Husky do to the Vaishnavas and 'Hinduism'? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Romani,
I'm going to try to keep this short.
1. Vaishnavas (I speak of the Tamizh kind) are very, <i>very</i> different from ISKCON. Vaishnavas are not 'monotheists'. Most of them have Vishnu + Lakshmi. Or Rama + Sita. These couples are INSEPARABLE. (There is no Rama without Sita, there is no Vishnu without Lakshmi - if not at his side, then Lakshmi literally resides in Vishnu's heart/chest always.) Some Vaishnavas have Krishna as their centre, others always add Radha, or else they keep Krishna with Rukmini. They all hold that these are ultimately my Mahavishnu and Lakshmi - well, in the case of Rukmini and Sita.
Look in any MahaVishnu Kovil (for example Sri Rangam where Ranganathar + Ranganayaki reside, or say Tirupathi where you have Venkatachalapathi + Sri Alamelumangathaayaru). Everytime I go to India, older family members there take me to visit many of our Kovils all over the 4 southern states, and in every Vishnu temple it is the same.
2. 70% of Hindus are Vaishnavas? Makes sense that that would be the perception in the west. I didn't know the percentage they had decided upon, but I had already worked out that they think it is the majority, because they focus on attacking Rama and Krishna most frequently.
But not all Vishnu (Rama, Krishna) Bhaktas are exclusively so, meaning they are not literally 'Vaishnavas'.
3. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->and probably Vishnu is secondary for shaivas<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->In some Shaiva streams, yes. For example, among Lingayats every God is considered to come from Shiva as a manifestation of him, including Shakti who is seen as an emanation of Shiva.
But this is not the case with all Shaivas.
If you feel uncomfortable with more than one God, just stick to Krishna as you have chosen. He has always been one of my Ishtadevas too. Read the Mahabharatam and a general version of the Gita - I personally find the ISKCON version is too full of their interpretations.
You like the personal God view, do you not? Wish there was a way you could get to hear the Ramayanam or Srimad Bhagavatam narrated by traditional Hindu narrators... Oooh, I know, what you could easily do is to collect traditional pictures of Hindu Gods from online and look at them. It's what many Hindus do. If you want a picture of Murugan (aka Kumaran aka Subramaniam), tell me. I know of a glorious one. My family had astounding pictures of Krishna, Ramar Pathaabishekam (sp?) and Mahavishnu, but sadly they're not online...
So much for my trying to keep things 'short'.
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1.But also iskonites belive that Radha is inseparable of Krishna.Are krishnaites there that warship Radha more the Krishna(they say Krishna is pleased when Radha is worshiped),other worship Krishna asociated whit Balaram(his brother).And iskonites are really dvaita-advaita(or bheda-abheda).
Some find iskon a little alien.For exemple i talk whit an indian student here and ask him if there are doctrinal diferences betwin iskon krishnaism and his indian krishnaism.He said that there are no doctrinal diferences ,what he find diferent is that iskonites make big fuss of public shows while his indian krishnaism is more a "family buisiness".
2.That are the statistics,however i dont think that 70% of hidus worship Krishna-Vishnu alone.Vaisnava(including Iskon) claim that there are infinite number of gods outhere.Iskon say that if you worship Krishna you worship all the gods,while worshiping other god you worship only a part of gods.
4.Im aware of your type of hinduism ,as the folk is not much in the philosophical hair-spliting,but you know how indian doctrines take new greek names
advaita become monism
vishit-advaita,dvaita,dvaita-advaita(and bheda-abheda) become monotheism
devas become a kind of angels
yoga become method of relaxation
5. Venkatachalapath Sri Alamelumangathaayaru Madhurai -great temple outthere ;personaly north temples like Khajurajo seem more refined in decorations but this temples definately win whit the amaising colours like no other places in the world.Out of this world.
6.is no need to impress the jews whit any type of monotheism and rejection of polytheism.
7.Im sorry here ,but the Eternal Goal of krishnaites is not some impersonal and non-active void in which buddhist and smartas want to go.Krishnaites want an Eternal heaven that meaning an Eternal state of worship and blissful activites whit Krishna.Not nirvana or nirvikalpa samadhi(which they see as temporary states not eternal as buddhist and smartas belive).HERE IS the diference in GOAL.Yes Bhagavan.You get that right.
8.You are sure that my iskonite friends will not be offended if i put pictures of gods on the walls?Arent this gods devotees of Krishna and emanations from him,diverse parts of Brahman?Not worng to be souronded by gods everywere.
ps-thanks Shambu for the kashmirian shaivism views .
Romani,
I'm going to try to keep this short.
1. Vaishnavas (I speak of the Tamizh kind) are very, <i>very</i> different from ISKCON. Vaishnavas are not 'monotheists'. Most of them have Vishnu + Lakshmi. Or Rama + Sita. These couples are INSEPARABLE. (There is no Rama without Sita, there is no Vishnu without Lakshmi - if not at his side, then Lakshmi literally resides in Vishnu's heart/chest always.) Some Vaishnavas have Krishna as their centre, others always add Radha, or else they keep Krishna with Rukmini. They all hold that these are ultimately my Mahavishnu and Lakshmi - well, in the case of Rukmini and Sita.
Look in any MahaVishnu Kovil (for example Sri Rangam where Ranganathar + Ranganayaki reside, or say Tirupathi where you have Venkatachalapathi + Sri Alamelumangathaayaru). Everytime I go to India, older family members there take me to visit many of our Kovils all over the 4 southern states, and in every Vishnu temple it is the same.
2. 70% of Hindus are Vaishnavas? Makes sense that that would be the perception in the west. I didn't know the percentage they had decided upon, but I had already worked out that they think it is the majority, because they focus on attacking Rama and Krishna most frequently.
But not all Vishnu (Rama, Krishna) Bhaktas are exclusively so, meaning they are not literally 'Vaishnavas'.
3. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->and probably Vishnu is secondary for shaivas<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->In some Shaiva streams, yes. For example, among Lingayats every God is considered to come from Shiva as a manifestation of him, including Shakti who is seen as an emanation of Shiva.
But this is not the case with all Shaivas.
If you feel uncomfortable with more than one God, just stick to Krishna as you have chosen. He has always been one of my Ishtadevas too. Read the Mahabharatam and a general version of the Gita - I personally find the ISKCON version is too full of their interpretations.
You like the personal God view, do you not? Wish there was a way you could get to hear the Ramayanam or Srimad Bhagavatam narrated by traditional Hindu narrators... Oooh, I know, what you could easily do is to collect traditional pictures of Hindu Gods from online and look at them. It's what many Hindus do. If you want a picture of Murugan (aka Kumaran aka Subramaniam), tell me. I know of a glorious one. My family had astounding pictures of Krishna, Ramar Pathaabishekam (sp?) and Mahavishnu, but sadly they're not online...
So much for my trying to keep things 'short'.
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1.But also iskonites belive that Radha is inseparable of Krishna.Are krishnaites there that warship Radha more the Krishna(they say Krishna is pleased when Radha is worshiped),other worship Krishna asociated whit Balaram(his brother).And iskonites are really dvaita-advaita(or bheda-abheda).
Some find iskon a little alien.For exemple i talk whit an indian student here and ask him if there are doctrinal diferences betwin iskon krishnaism and his indian krishnaism.He said that there are no doctrinal diferences ,what he find diferent is that iskonites make big fuss of public shows while his indian krishnaism is more a "family buisiness".
2.That are the statistics,however i dont think that 70% of hidus worship Krishna-Vishnu alone.Vaisnava(including Iskon) claim that there are infinite number of gods outhere.Iskon say that if you worship Krishna you worship all the gods,while worshiping other god you worship only a part of gods.
4.Im aware of your type of hinduism ,as the folk is not much in the philosophical hair-spliting,but you know how indian doctrines take new greek names
advaita become monism
vishit-advaita,dvaita,dvaita-advaita(and bheda-abheda) become monotheism
devas become a kind of angels
yoga become method of relaxation
5. Venkatachalapath Sri Alamelumangathaayaru Madhurai -great temple outthere ;personaly north temples like Khajurajo seem more refined in decorations but this temples definately win whit the amaising colours like no other places in the world.Out of this world.
6.is no need to impress the jews whit any type of monotheism and rejection of polytheism.
7.Im sorry here ,but the Eternal Goal of krishnaites is not some impersonal and non-active void in which buddhist and smartas want to go.Krishnaites want an Eternal heaven that meaning an Eternal state of worship and blissful activites whit Krishna.Not nirvana or nirvikalpa samadhi(which they see as temporary states not eternal as buddhist and smartas belive).HERE IS the diference in GOAL.Yes Bhagavan.You get that right.
8.You are sure that my iskonite friends will not be offended if i put pictures of gods on the walls?Arent this gods devotees of Krishna and emanations from him,diverse parts of Brahman?Not worng to be souronded by gods everywere.
ps-thanks Shambu for the kashmirian shaivism views .