07-27-2005, 11:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-mitradena+Jul 27 2005, 04:16 AM-->QUOTE(mitradena @ Jul 27 2005, 04:16 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Further, genuine Vaishnava religious leaders like His Holiness Sri Pejawar Swami of the Madhva Sampradaya and His Holiness Sri Chinna Jeeyar Swami of the Sri Vaishnava sampradaya are firm in their support of Hinduism. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
mitradena,
H.H. Pejawar Swami and other Vaishnava leaders have also expressed their firm support of ISKCON.
And where did I say that Vaishnavism is the monopoly of ISKCON? ISKCON is just an organization with a particular mission. That's all. In fact, it is not even the sole representative of the Gaudiya sampradaya, what to speak of all Vaishnavism. But ISKCON is certainly playing a pivotal role in the new re-vitalization of Vaishnavism within and outside India, and that's why I find it interesting.
As for your insane posts about "Hindu unity", I think you and your ilk lack the brains and the vision to understand <b>the implications of taking a purely political approach to religion. You will only harm Vedic dharma in the long run.</b> A confused, hodgepodge theology, rampant heterodoxy, etc only weakens the fabric of Vedanta. Just take a close look at the history of world religions and you will see what I mean. As long as the banner of "Hinduism" is held by arrogant, scatterbrained politician-"saints", the serious spiritualists will shy away from that term. That is my observation.
gangajal bhai,
I see you continue to mis-read my posts, and then hijack threads with your selective copy-paste nonsense. Give me a break man. Go away in peace.
<b>To admins:</b>
Hit-and-run, copy-paste, arbitrary slanders like this thread have always been difficult to counter, since accusations and criticisms are always easier to make than to give the necessary exhaustive replies to. Any inchoate refutation soon threatens to assume the alarming dimensions of an epic. Since it is not practical or possible to try to refute all the challenges of such detractors in one fell swoop, I request a better system of thread-management.
As one last reiteration of the point I've been trying to make ever since I came to this forum:
<b>Each and every Hindu religious organization has the right to propagate its own philosophy, but each should be honest in labelling and defining its doctrine, especially vis a vis other doctrines. If you are a Neo-Vedanta or Neo-Advaitist, then don't forget to omit the "Neo". Don't try to pass it off as the "original". Admit the fact that various new, non-Vedic ideas and philosophers have played a great part in shaping Neo-Vedanta philosophy, and that you have significant differences with traditional Vedanta, and even Shankara, etc. Allow the new reader to understand that there are very different points of view. Don't try to confuse him/her by mis-representing other traditional Vedic schools of thought and claiming to assimilate them.</b> That's the only complaint that all serious Vaishnavas (of ALL sects) that I've spoken to have.
mitradena,
H.H. Pejawar Swami and other Vaishnava leaders have also expressed their firm support of ISKCON.
And where did I say that Vaishnavism is the monopoly of ISKCON? ISKCON is just an organization with a particular mission. That's all. In fact, it is not even the sole representative of the Gaudiya sampradaya, what to speak of all Vaishnavism. But ISKCON is certainly playing a pivotal role in the new re-vitalization of Vaishnavism within and outside India, and that's why I find it interesting.
As for your insane posts about "Hindu unity", I think you and your ilk lack the brains and the vision to understand <b>the implications of taking a purely political approach to religion. You will only harm Vedic dharma in the long run.</b> A confused, hodgepodge theology, rampant heterodoxy, etc only weakens the fabric of Vedanta. Just take a close look at the history of world religions and you will see what I mean. As long as the banner of "Hinduism" is held by arrogant, scatterbrained politician-"saints", the serious spiritualists will shy away from that term. That is my observation.
gangajal bhai,
I see you continue to mis-read my posts, and then hijack threads with your selective copy-paste nonsense. Give me a break man. Go away in peace.
<b>To admins:</b>
Hit-and-run, copy-paste, arbitrary slanders like this thread have always been difficult to counter, since accusations and criticisms are always easier to make than to give the necessary exhaustive replies to. Any inchoate refutation soon threatens to assume the alarming dimensions of an epic. Since it is not practical or possible to try to refute all the challenges of such detractors in one fell swoop, I request a better system of thread-management.
As one last reiteration of the point I've been trying to make ever since I came to this forum:
<b>Each and every Hindu religious organization has the right to propagate its own philosophy, but each should be honest in labelling and defining its doctrine, especially vis a vis other doctrines. If you are a Neo-Vedanta or Neo-Advaitist, then don't forget to omit the "Neo". Don't try to pass it off as the "original". Admit the fact that various new, non-Vedic ideas and philosophers have played a great part in shaping Neo-Vedanta philosophy, and that you have significant differences with traditional Vedanta, and even Shankara, etc. Allow the new reader to understand that there are very different points of view. Don't try to confuse him/her by mis-representing other traditional Vedic schools of thought and claiming to assimilate them.</b> That's the only complaint that all serious Vaishnavas (of ALL sects) that I've spoken to have.