03-04-2006, 04:23 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mitradena,Mar 4 2006, 12:08 AM]
Aryawan,
I agree with most of what you said.
You can listen to Prabhupada's lectures online here:
http://www.prabhupadavani.org/
I have listened to them at least a 1000 times. Very inspirational.
But we need to ignore the stuff he says about Bhagavan Shiva and Advaita. The rest is good.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As He himself had said that there is a reason for everything. In the same vein even his own existence and avatara of Chaitanya was because of special reasons. If you go deep in to the psychological aspects of Bhakti movement which originated in the medieval period, you can understand easily his logic. Let me give you an analogy; a man or a woman can truly love only one person in his or her life time. It is not possible to love two persons at the same time or even in one life. Hence. in order for Bhakti Yoga to fructify, there has to be absolute devotion towards one God or in this case SriKrishna who is considered to be a complete avatara. Buddha avatara was more monastic in nature and hence it would be inappropriate to link ideas of absolute love with a monk avatara. Hence. this slightly condescending approach towards other Gods, though in Bhagavada Geeta SriKrishna clearly states that whichever God/path you may follow, you will ultimately come to Me (SriKrishna).
Main purpose of Chaitanya movement was to stop the tide of conversions of Hindus in to Muslims during the Muslim rule in India. He along with Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa (who also stopped conversions in to Chritianity) stopped the tide of conversions particulalry in the eastern India, otherwise most of the east India including Bengal would have been Muslim long ago.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But, read this:url=http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/hinduism.html]http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/hinduism.html[/url]
I don't like this kind of nonsense. This is just jugglery of words.
We all know the word "Hindu" is not mentioned in the Vedas. So what?
Actually the eternal Dharma has no name.
It is just a designation in vogue today to unify members of the Vedic religion.
This is same trash that Arya Samajis and Veera Saivas use to claim being a separate religion.
What do you think?
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Well his own purpose of life was to spread SriKrishna philosophy in the world. And that would not have been successful if he would have followed the same path of missionaries that is total conversion due to political and social backlash. Hence, this principle based focus on SriKrishna. Also it is true that there is no mention of Hindu religion in the scriptures. Present day Hindusim is in many ways a reactionary movement due to repeated onslaught by external forces throughtout last 2000 years of Indian history. Most of the present days Hindus are Smartha followers of a mixture of various Gods, Godesses local customs, and traditions. Because the main Sanatan/Vedic dharma is not a strictly speaking a codified religion such as Islam and Christianity, various saints and reformers came and propounded their own version of vedic dharma thereby fulfilling their purpose of existence for that specific period of history. Now, being a Chaitanya follower of bhakti movement Prabhupada propounded absolute devotion towards SriKrishna cutting away all other local customs and traditions or even Gods. According to Vedic dharma probably all other religions are offshoots (distortions/rebels) of main sanatan dharma just following a different path. Hindusim retains maximum elements of Sanatan dharma however with all the distortions over the period of thousands of years which can be attributed to the effect of Kaliyuga.
Aryawan,
I agree with most of what you said.
You can listen to Prabhupada's lectures online here:
http://www.prabhupadavani.org/
I have listened to them at least a 1000 times. Very inspirational.
But we need to ignore the stuff he says about Bhagavan Shiva and Advaita. The rest is good.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As He himself had said that there is a reason for everything. In the same vein even his own existence and avatara of Chaitanya was because of special reasons. If you go deep in to the psychological aspects of Bhakti movement which originated in the medieval period, you can understand easily his logic. Let me give you an analogy; a man or a woman can truly love only one person in his or her life time. It is not possible to love two persons at the same time or even in one life. Hence. in order for Bhakti Yoga to fructify, there has to be absolute devotion towards one God or in this case SriKrishna who is considered to be a complete avatara. Buddha avatara was more monastic in nature and hence it would be inappropriate to link ideas of absolute love with a monk avatara. Hence. this slightly condescending approach towards other Gods, though in Bhagavada Geeta SriKrishna clearly states that whichever God/path you may follow, you will ultimately come to Me (SriKrishna).
Main purpose of Chaitanya movement was to stop the tide of conversions of Hindus in to Muslims during the Muslim rule in India. He along with Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa (who also stopped conversions in to Chritianity) stopped the tide of conversions particulalry in the eastern India, otherwise most of the east India including Bengal would have been Muslim long ago.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But, read this:url=http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/hinduism.html]http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/hinduism.html[/url]
I don't like this kind of nonsense. This is just jugglery of words.
We all know the word "Hindu" is not mentioned in the Vedas. So what?
Actually the eternal Dharma has no name.
It is just a designation in vogue today to unify members of the Vedic religion.
This is same trash that Arya Samajis and Veera Saivas use to claim being a separate religion.
What do you think?
[right][snapback]47738[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well his own purpose of life was to spread SriKrishna philosophy in the world. And that would not have been successful if he would have followed the same path of missionaries that is total conversion due to political and social backlash. Hence, this principle based focus on SriKrishna. Also it is true that there is no mention of Hindu religion in the scriptures. Present day Hindusim is in many ways a reactionary movement due to repeated onslaught by external forces throughtout last 2000 years of Indian history. Most of the present days Hindus are Smartha followers of a mixture of various Gods, Godesses local customs, and traditions. Because the main Sanatan/Vedic dharma is not a strictly speaking a codified religion such as Islam and Christianity, various saints and reformers came and propounded their own version of vedic dharma thereby fulfilling their purpose of existence for that specific period of history. Now, being a Chaitanya follower of bhakti movement Prabhupada propounded absolute devotion towards SriKrishna cutting away all other local customs and traditions or even Gods. According to Vedic dharma probably all other religions are offshoots (distortions/rebels) of main sanatan dharma just following a different path. Hindusim retains maximum elements of Sanatan dharma however with all the distortions over the period of thousands of years which can be attributed to the effect of Kaliyuga.