08-08-2005, 12:02 PM
I think the fault of Mr Modi was that being the Chief Minister of Gujrat he was not able to get handle over the situation and stop the riots. I can give the benefit of doubt to Mr Modi that he did not incite the riots. But as he is responsible for all the law and order situation so he is directly implicated, remember there is something called Rajdharma(as we are talking about hindu cause so we should remeber hindu values also). You cannot kill you own citizen whom you are supposed to protect. It is grossly and completely wrong
Regarding the Dorky indian media the less said the better. I know that unusual media attention has been given and the signal has been amplified way too much and mind you this will get back to those bastards, becuase finally truth does come out. As now these people are hiding there face all over after the growth story of gujrat is coming out. The amount of amplification and vilification of modi as hitler and all those things has to be fought and we will discredit these secularist for all there ulterior motives. Indeed after the visagate incident these NGO types have been totally discredited now you dont see any media report about gujrat
But the fact remains that revenge is not the basis for any society. It brings a continuous cycle of hatred and further revenge. I know that you people will not accept it. You have your views, i have my own
The way we are discussing number over here that 700 died and not 2000 or something sounds very hollow. I will become a bleeding heart or something over here but the fact is that no civilized society thrives on revenge, or number crunching of number of people killed in a revenge.
The delimma of muslim agression is always there and it has to be handled politically. Those people have to be handled by law(sounds hollow, and i know that it is not all easy with the money and resources available, but still street level rioting cannot be encouraged). When we talk of rioting and revenge as a deterrance, it is effective for a small time, becuase it leads the adversary to an even bigger conflict situation which will explode sometime later(more terrorist attacks, radicalisation of muslims and hindus, bigger conflict situations leading to more unrest, we dont want this in an india which is trying to develop at 8% annually). The longer term deterrance of effective policing, policy restriction and the fear of a legal and social system leads to better deterrence(and i would prefer that method of instilling fear in muslim extremists and hanging them by there balls). I dont know whether forum members will agree but the whole concept of legal system is based on fear of the legal system which is based on deterrance and as far as study of jurisprudence shows that it is the best form developed as of yet, otherwise we should goto the tribal concept of instant revenge(which starts a hate cycle and hence lesser economic development) rather than detailed investigation and then pinning down the actual culprits.
I would really like to know what forum members have to say about the basic concept of criminal laws and jurisprudence in this regard. All studies have shown that a detailed investigation by investigating authorities and then catching of culprits leads to lesser conflicts and more consensus reaching and peaceful resolution of problems, leading to better economic development and living standards.
I know I am talking totally against the forum views and maynot be able to impress much. Just giving my views. Would like to get response if you deem it fit. I would prefer to get laws enacted and better funding to police adminstration and good training to effectively get those muslim exremists and get them implicated which will have a ripple effect in muslim society and create a better and long lasting deterrance system against there jihadi instincts with no ill will towards the whole society. Muslims are here to stay, they are not going anywhere whatever we may think or wish.
Abhishek
Regarding the Dorky indian media the less said the better. I know that unusual media attention has been given and the signal has been amplified way too much and mind you this will get back to those bastards, becuase finally truth does come out. As now these people are hiding there face all over after the growth story of gujrat is coming out. The amount of amplification and vilification of modi as hitler and all those things has to be fought and we will discredit these secularist for all there ulterior motives. Indeed after the visagate incident these NGO types have been totally discredited now you dont see any media report about gujrat
But the fact remains that revenge is not the basis for any society. It brings a continuous cycle of hatred and further revenge. I know that you people will not accept it. You have your views, i have my own
The way we are discussing number over here that 700 died and not 2000 or something sounds very hollow. I will become a bleeding heart or something over here but the fact is that no civilized society thrives on revenge, or number crunching of number of people killed in a revenge.
The delimma of muslim agression is always there and it has to be handled politically. Those people have to be handled by law(sounds hollow, and i know that it is not all easy with the money and resources available, but still street level rioting cannot be encouraged). When we talk of rioting and revenge as a deterrance, it is effective for a small time, becuase it leads the adversary to an even bigger conflict situation which will explode sometime later(more terrorist attacks, radicalisation of muslims and hindus, bigger conflict situations leading to more unrest, we dont want this in an india which is trying to develop at 8% annually). The longer term deterrance of effective policing, policy restriction and the fear of a legal and social system leads to better deterrence(and i would prefer that method of instilling fear in muslim extremists and hanging them by there balls). I dont know whether forum members will agree but the whole concept of legal system is based on fear of the legal system which is based on deterrance and as far as study of jurisprudence shows that it is the best form developed as of yet, otherwise we should goto the tribal concept of instant revenge(which starts a hate cycle and hence lesser economic development) rather than detailed investigation and then pinning down the actual culprits.
I would really like to know what forum members have to say about the basic concept of criminal laws and jurisprudence in this regard. All studies have shown that a detailed investigation by investigating authorities and then catching of culprits leads to lesser conflicts and more consensus reaching and peaceful resolution of problems, leading to better economic development and living standards.
I know I am talking totally against the forum views and maynot be able to impress much. Just giving my views. Would like to get response if you deem it fit. I would prefer to get laws enacted and better funding to police adminstration and good training to effectively get those muslim exremists and get them implicated which will have a ripple effect in muslim society and create a better and long lasting deterrance system against there jihadi instincts with no ill will towards the whole society. Muslims are here to stay, they are not going anywhere whatever we may think or wish.
Abhishek