08-31-2005, 07:52 PM
Abhishek,
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->My human values says that guilty should be given punishment and no innocent should be punished.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does your human values say about those 3000+ muslims who were killed in Nellie, Assam in '83 just a year before '84 riots. The only reason I ask is that today the PM of India is the MP from that very state of Assam and has yet to utter a word on this massacre or make public the findings of the Tewari commission even after 22+ years!!
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But I will not generate hatred(i know you wont like it)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why do presume that? That k.ram will like/not like 'hate generation'. Knowing him, I've yet to see a single post on this or any other forum where he's advocated or applauded hate. If you post here with presuming about others (as I see in several of your posts) you will deviate from the topic and we'll end up with an acrimonious thread.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->nelson mandela ....Martin luther king ...mahatma gandhi.... (i dont know how much you like these characters or do u think that they were apologists).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You heard of Winne Mandela? Or MLK's audio tapes (recently released by FBI) of his parties in motels? Or Have you heard of Mahatma Gandhi's son named Hiralal Gandhi? Please, take some time to research this and then maybe you'll help me understand as to why you think these great souls could tie their nations/community together but couldn't keep their own house intact?
I don't view them as apologists or heros in simple black/white boxes as you'd like to; it's just that every man (or woman) has their strength and weakness and I don't expect any one human to have all the qualities that we see in God - that too on a good day.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is a fight for morality and justice and human rights. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No arugments there Abhishek. Let all those who are responsible be tried and hung from the nearest pole - be it for participating in riots or formenting the riots or for gross deriliction of their basic duty. But you seem to be advocating the fight for morality and justice and human rights selectively with leaders and events you are familiar with - this seems to be crux of the debate here.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->My human values says that guilty should be given punishment and no innocent should be punished.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What does your human values say about those 3000+ muslims who were killed in Nellie, Assam in '83 just a year before '84 riots. The only reason I ask is that today the PM of India is the MP from that very state of Assam and has yet to utter a word on this massacre or make public the findings of the Tewari commission even after 22+ years!!
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But I will not generate hatred(i know you wont like it)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why do presume that? That k.ram will like/not like 'hate generation'. Knowing him, I've yet to see a single post on this or any other forum where he's advocated or applauded hate. If you post here with presuming about others (as I see in several of your posts) you will deviate from the topic and we'll end up with an acrimonious thread.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->nelson mandela ....Martin luther king ...mahatma gandhi.... (i dont know how much you like these characters or do u think that they were apologists).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You heard of Winne Mandela? Or MLK's audio tapes (recently released by FBI) of his parties in motels? Or Have you heard of Mahatma Gandhi's son named Hiralal Gandhi? Please, take some time to research this and then maybe you'll help me understand as to why you think these great souls could tie their nations/community together but couldn't keep their own house intact?
I don't view them as apologists or heros in simple black/white boxes as you'd like to; it's just that every man (or woman) has their strength and weakness and I don't expect any one human to have all the qualities that we see in God - that too on a good day.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is a fight for morality and justice and human rights. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No arugments there Abhishek. Let all those who are responsible be tried and hung from the nearest pole - be it for participating in riots or formenting the riots or for gross deriliction of their basic duty. But you seem to be advocating the fight for morality and justice and human rights selectively with leaders and events you are familiar with - this seems to be crux of the debate here.