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Vedic Astrology And Associated Studies
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<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Feb 19 2009, 01:01 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Feb 19 2009, 01:01 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->OK.  But on some parts I request you to not be <b>sentimental</b> when analyzing.  E.g. the issue of viShNu-avatArahood to kR^iShNa.  Indeed, after reading the life of kR^iShNa in MBh, and that in bhagavatpurANa, one can not escape realizing that this viShNu-avatAra status is a later addition to kR^iShNa with retrospect effect.  kR^iShNa of mahAbhArata and rAmachandra of rAmAyaNa are God-like-Heroes and Hero-like-Gods independently in themselves, without depending upon viShNu to come in their form.[right][snapback]94721[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Sentimentality has nothing to do with it. That would presuppose a merely emotional attachment to Religio. To me, it would be as void as belief.

But are you not rather being selectively sentimental in saying Rama and Krishna are still Gods ("Hero-like-<i>Gods</i>"), in spite of the textual data that you rely on to validate your chosen stance going to the contrary here, in the same manner that the textual data indicates that the Vishnu-Avatarahood was superimposed later? Others have shown - Elst has shown, with philological proof (though omitted) that Rama and Krishna were not originally Gods. He too wishes Hindus would just realise his findings on Hindu Dharma ('get it into their heads'):
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Aug 9 2008, 09:17 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Aug 9 2008, 09:17 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Koenraad Elst wrote on a list: [...]

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Worse, even in the Ramayana and Mahabharata, <b>philological analysis has shown that Rama and Krishna were originally just humn beings, heroes alright, but human mortals nonetheless. Only in the latest-added parts do they start becoming divine incarnations.</b> Vishnu's penchant for incarnating among us humans, now a core belief of the majority of Hindus, is a post-Vedic innovation.

The same <b>tendency to reject historicity</b> is in evidence in ...
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Kind regards,
KE<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]86167[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->He is the professional philologer. Since you work the same way with the same data and your understanding of the Hindu tradition is determined by the results you get from this, you have the option of either deferring to his views (as some others do), or referring to him to find out what the details of the philological analysis he mentioned are. And if you then wish to make an alternate case, you should exercise non-sentimentality in analyzing this issue of the Godhood of Rama and Krishna - in case the data-interpretation leads you to conclude different from what you've considered thus far (as I'm sure it will, since Elst would have diligently followed the established methods).


Whatever the conclusions for you may be, what I've always wanted out of all this collective brainstorming on the "Hindus' Problem" which seems to be going on among NRIs and Angelsk-speaking Indians, is <i>not</i> people explaining Hindu Dharma for Hindus, but rather trying for a solution on how Hindus may survive and continue to exist in <i>whatever way they *already are*</i>. The freedom to <i>be</i>. To be left alone, actually (since Hindus do no harm, including how they don't generally proselytise; most relevant: we don't ask others to 'believe'). And consequently, the freedom <i>from</i> being told what we ought to be/ought to hold/what Hindu Dharma 'actually' supposedly entails. That bit most Hindus already know for themselves - at least, the sort of Hindus whose survival I am interested in.
I am not a fan of people going out of their way to tell others what to believe/accept/follow/what conclusions to derive and how. It's for the same reason as why I don't believe in converting non-Indians to Hindu Dharma. It's not that I do not acknowledge the truth of my Religio, but see no reason why such an acknowledgment should take the form of going about telling people to convert to the 'True Religion'. (It's because IMO either people are led to Hindu Dharma on their own or there is something else for them out there.)
I merely want the world to always continue to allow the Hindu of tomorrow to be a natural product of the Hindu ancestry that gave rise to him (natural mental evolution), without external tampering (subversion, artificial insertion of thinking patterns). That is, without the west/western patterning trying to tell Hindus such things as what Gods are valid/not valid Gods, what is and is not Hindu Dharma.
All these intellectual discussions people have about preserving Indian civilisation or Hindu Dharma - I had always thought they were to serve that purpose alone: to ensure unsubverted continuity, as much as possible. Not to tell traditional Vaidikas what the Vedas are 'actually' about, nor to tell lay Hindus what is and isn't Sanatana Dharma. Hindus are not clueless about these things, they merely can't figure out how they are going to survive the way they are in this constantly beleaguered state. I am convinced continuity of harmless ways of life is a fundamental right, which is why I keep bringing up other Natural Traditionalists regularly too and make no claims to Hindu superiority. I do not know that our way is superior. I only know that it is - as it was - the right way for the general body of Hindus.
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