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Vedanta - Discussion Forum I (introductory))



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You complicate things that you are not understand.Sometimes is better to keep it simple.

Vedanta school was a pretty successful tentative to unify the hindu-vedic thinking .

It reintroduce the notion of Absolute(Brahman) after buddhists replace the the notion of absolute whit the notion of void(sunya).

The Brahman is the Ultimate Principle also name the One,Tao,Tian,God...

The human mind can reach 2 final conclusions about Brahman

-it have attributes-qualities and in this case we ca name it The Infinite,God ,and this opinion is shared by vishishtadvaita(advaita whit qualites),bhagavata school ,krishnaism,vishnuism(an least some part of it) .

-it has no attributes-qualities and in this case we cand call it The Void,The Unknown,and this opinion is shared by buddhists and smarta-advaita and maybe even by taoists .

-of course there was an old bheda-abheda school not to be confused whit acintya bheda abheda school of gaudya krishnaism) and aslo its a current in neo-vedanta and new age but its ussualy disregarded by the up-mentiones schools because Brahman whit qualities is superior to Brahman whitout qualites ,either the oppuesed ,but they cant be on the equal stand.

Added-The king way is to destroy those who don't agree whit you as the famous story about the meeting of a philosopher whit a king.Christo-muslims follow the king way and so they are terrorists .

advaita mean that the slf is the same whit the absolute(in this school whitout qualites)

vishishtadvaita have the same opinion but adage that the absolute has qualites

dvaita simply say that the self is not the same whit the absolute .

There are monotheist schools that identify the absolute whit a single god.

krishnaism say that Krishna is the supreme god and all other gods are emanated by him.

Vishnuism say that Vishnu is the supreme god and all other gods are emanated by him.

Ganapaty say that Ganesh is the supreme god and all other gods are emanated by him.

Shivaism say that Shiva is the supreme god and all other gods are emanated by him.

Shaktism say that Shakti is the supreme god and all other gods are emanated by her.

Unlike indians today ,the ancient indian philosophers greatly insult eachother and i think is a healthy thing(as long as they dont get phisical) and this is because they were obsesed whit the Truth(which i think is a good thing for a philosopher as long as dont kill the rival philosopher).
Quote:Schrödingers's Wave Mechanics

In 1905 Einstein proposed that light, in addition to its well known nature as a wave of electric and magnetic fields, can be thought of as a particle, which now we call the photon. In 1923 Louis de Broglie proposed that particle-like objects, such as electrons, could also be thought of as some sort of wave. At this time de Broglie was a graduate student, and his proposal was part of his PhD thesis. His supervising committee didn't know what to make of this outlandish proposal and asked Schrödinger, who pronounced that the idea was "rubbish!" The committee went to Einstein, who essentially said that they should give the kid his PhD, since "there might be something to it." So that is how de Broglie got his PhD, and in 1926 Davisson and Germer actually saw electrons demonstrating an interference pattern.

In 1926 Schrödinger published a series of papers giving a full form of Quantum Mechanics; in this formulation the central idea is de Broglie's hypothesis. This formulation, then, is called Wave Mechanics. When earlier we stated that we could "explain" the ad hoc Bohr model by realising that the 'allowed orbits' of that model correspond to standing waves of electrons, we were describing how Wave Mechanics describes the theory of an atom.

It is interesting to note that the first of these papers appeared simultaneously to Heisenberg's first publication. Schrödinger's paper was in the journal Annelen der Physick, a competitor to the Zeitschrift journal that had published Heisenberg's work.

It is obvious that Schrödinger changed his mind about a wave aspect to electrons between 1923 and 1926. There is some controversy about how Schrödinger actually arrived at Wave Mechanics, but in the Fall of 1925, presumably as he was building his theory, he wrote an essay, Seek for the Road, which may provide some clues. (Reference: My View of the World, (Cambridge, 1964).

You may recall the Schrödinger's Cat paradox, which was first published in its "scientific form" in 1935 in Zeitschrift der Physick. However in his 1925 essay he recounts an ancient Sankhya Hindu paradox that, jazzed up with some technology, became the cat paradox. In that original form the paradox was cast in the form of two people, one looking at a garden, the other in a dark room. The modern equivalent would be one person looking in the box to see if the cat is alive or dead, while a second person waits out in the hall. As we discussed, in this modern form the state "collapses" for the first person while it does not collapse for the second person.

In 1925 Schrõdinger resolved that paradox the way the Vedantists did: he asserted that all consciousness is one. As he wrote:

"But it is quite easy to express the solution in words, thus: the plurality [of viewpoints] that we perceive is only "an appearance; it is not real. Vedantic philosophy, in which this is a fundamental dogma, has sought to clarify it by a number of analogies, one of the most attractive being the many-faceted crystal which, while showing hundreds of little pictures of what is in reality a single existent object, does not really multiply the object."

Here is another fragment of that essay:

"... you may suddenly come to see, in a flash, the profound rightness of the basic conviction of Vedanta: ... knowledge, feeling and choice are essentially eternal and unchangeable and numerically one in all men, nay in all sensitive beings."

Do you think that Schrödinger had such a flash of insight? Is this the sort of insight which in the Eastern traditions is sometimes called enlightenment?

Finally, Schrödinger himself makes an interesting analogy between Vedantic philosophy and modern physics:

"If finally we look back at that idea of Mach [that `the universe is not twice given'], we shall realize that it comes as near to the orthodox dogma of the Upanishads as it could possibly do without stating it expressis verbis. The external world and consciousness are one and the same thing."

Comparing the Two Forms of Quantum Mechanics

Despite their radically different worldview, shortly after their publication it was shown that Matrix Mechanics and Wave Mechanics are mathematically identical. In fact, Schrödinger was one of the people who did the proof.

Despite their formal equivalence, there seems to be more than just logic involved in the interpretation of the mathematics. For example, Heisenberg wrote:

"The more I ponder the physical part of Schrðdinger's theory, the more disgusting it appears to me."

while Schrödinger wrote:

"If one has to stick to this damned quantum jumping, then I regret ever having been involved in this thing."

In the 5th century of the current era, there was a bitter argument in India between the Sankhya Hindus and the Buddhists about the nature of Universal Flux. Debates were held which lasted for days, and would attract huge crowds. According to the Buddhists:

The phenomena consist of an infinity of discrete moments following one another almost without intervals.... There is no matter at all, flashes of energy follow one another and produce the illusion of stabilized phenomena. The universe is a staccato movement.

while according to the Hindus:

The phenomena are nothing but waves or fluctuations standing out upon the background of an eternal, all-pervading undifferentiated Matter with which they are identical. The universe represents a legato movement.

Reference: F. Theodor Stcherbatsky, Buddhist Logic, Vol I, pg 83.

Even allowing for the possibility that Schrödinger's Wave Mechanics may have been influenced by Hindu philosophy, the parallels between the Buddhist-Hindu argument and the Heisenberg-Schrödinger aesthetic clash are striking.


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