03-06-2006, 11:41 PM
Ancient India did invent/discover lot of things, from medicine, mathematics, metallurgy, architecture etc...
i think i did state already that we did invent a lot of things, that we were right up there and even ahead till about 1000 AD
The last 1000 years we slacked off and became lazy and inept. It is all our fault.
I never blamed Islam anywhere.
well you didnt ... but i blame islam for most of india's miseries, including getting colonised by the poms. even Einstein cant do much or invent, if someone went and knocked the living daylights out of him. thaats what happened to us.
Islam is merely the symptom of the problem. The root cause is decline of Hindu valor and chivalry.
how much of a reason is buddhism and the renouncement (& non-materialistic life) it propounded?? hinduism also isnt very material... on the other side, the westerners have been material and pragmatic since the days of the greeks. the romans were perhaps the most "practical" civilization in the world. the whole nordic race also has an innate propensity to shape/tame the enviornment in such a way, so as to make his own life more comfortable.
could this be the reason why they, with the exception of japan, invented all amenities??
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->on the flip side, how come the west has invented everything almost, from tangibles (cars, planes, medicine) to intangibles (democracy, courts, capitalism etc) singlehandedly??
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Beacuse of <b>paying attention to detail.</b>
This concept is repeatedly taught in the West.
because on stress on practical expetiment and observation, and not spirituality.
A man of higly developed concentration will turn out more work than a purely Intellectual man without proper concentration.
i am not talking about work output per man-hour, but on the inventive, innovative streak. we seem to lack it totally.
Indians of previous generations were lazy, inept, indisciplined and given to all kinds of irresponsible behaviour. This is the cause of our falldown.
no. thats the result .. of our fall to islam.
by the way i am sure you mean a LOT previous generation, cos when i think of previous generations first thing that comes to mind are the freedom fighters and all the leaders during the raj days...almost all of whom were brilliant, with the exception of Tintin and Snowy
Any attempt to enforce any sort of discipline is viewed as "Brahmanical imperialism" or "Ultra Orthodox Brahmanical fanatism".
what we should enforce is a culture of study-by-experiment and not by rote.
You can see the idiotic behavoiur of Indian male students in colleges.
Except for a few studious ones, the rest of them are all good for nothing loafers.
They spend their time watching movies, teasing females, flipping throught pornographic magazines etc... And a few weeks before the exam they cram in the material and pass. This is called <b>Shudra culture.</b> India is basically a Shudrasthan now.
those who dig bollywod movies, and esp those who base/model their lives on some hero of a bolly film, never ammount to much in society.
Compare them to the White students. They take their courses very seriously.
If they take up a task they do it right or they don't do it at all.
No question of half baked jobs here.
spot on about the do it right or if you cant then dont do it.
A white man knows when to work and when to play.
yes working while working, and playing while playing.
Here is Swami Sivananda on the attitude of the Indian idiots:
"Many people say that they have not got time to perform Sandhya. They have to attend several functions. This is due to their weakness and lack of good Samskaras. They do not know the glory of this divine science. <b>If they see one of their friends sitting on the banks of the river and performing Sandhya, they will begin to shout or they will play some sort of mischief."</b>
This sort of mischief mongering and taking everything as a joke is ingrained in the modern Indians.
yes due to the prevalent crappy pseudo western, cross thick bollywood cum anti values and tradition culture we have now.
Take a look at Indian movies. Any man representing some high ideals like an Orthodox Brahmana or a Keshadhari Sikh is shown as a sort of Buffon.
It is clearly the height of idiocy to show a honorable warrior like a Sikh as a sort of buffon.
Whereas a Gay looking loafer (Usually a muslim actor) is shown as the hero.
Despite his eve teasing behaviour.
aisde of providing employment to lots of not-too-smart types, i dont see very many positeves comming out of PRESENT day bollywood (was good back in the day).
How many white men do you see engaging in eve teasing?
totally different question.... they dont have to do it... cos they get more for less.
i think i did state already that we did invent a lot of things, that we were right up there and even ahead till about 1000 AD
The last 1000 years we slacked off and became lazy and inept. It is all our fault.
I never blamed Islam anywhere.
well you didnt ... but i blame islam for most of india's miseries, including getting colonised by the poms. even Einstein cant do much or invent, if someone went and knocked the living daylights out of him. thaats what happened to us.
Islam is merely the symptom of the problem. The root cause is decline of Hindu valor and chivalry.
how much of a reason is buddhism and the renouncement (& non-materialistic life) it propounded?? hinduism also isnt very material... on the other side, the westerners have been material and pragmatic since the days of the greeks. the romans were perhaps the most "practical" civilization in the world. the whole nordic race also has an innate propensity to shape/tame the enviornment in such a way, so as to make his own life more comfortable.
could this be the reason why they, with the exception of japan, invented all amenities??
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->on the flip side, how come the west has invented everything almost, from tangibles (cars, planes, medicine) to intangibles (democracy, courts, capitalism etc) singlehandedly??
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Beacuse of <b>paying attention to detail.</b>
This concept is repeatedly taught in the West.
because on stress on practical expetiment and observation, and not spirituality.
A man of higly developed concentration will turn out more work than a purely Intellectual man without proper concentration.
i am not talking about work output per man-hour, but on the inventive, innovative streak. we seem to lack it totally.
Indians of previous generations were lazy, inept, indisciplined and given to all kinds of irresponsible behaviour. This is the cause of our falldown.
no. thats the result .. of our fall to islam.
by the way i am sure you mean a LOT previous generation, cos when i think of previous generations first thing that comes to mind are the freedom fighters and all the leaders during the raj days...almost all of whom were brilliant, with the exception of Tintin and Snowy
Any attempt to enforce any sort of discipline is viewed as "Brahmanical imperialism" or "Ultra Orthodox Brahmanical fanatism".
what we should enforce is a culture of study-by-experiment and not by rote.
You can see the idiotic behavoiur of Indian male students in colleges.
Except for a few studious ones, the rest of them are all good for nothing loafers.
They spend their time watching movies, teasing females, flipping throught pornographic magazines etc... And a few weeks before the exam they cram in the material and pass. This is called <b>Shudra culture.</b> India is basically a Shudrasthan now.
those who dig bollywod movies, and esp those who base/model their lives on some hero of a bolly film, never ammount to much in society.
Compare them to the White students. They take their courses very seriously.
If they take up a task they do it right or they don't do it at all.
No question of half baked jobs here.
spot on about the do it right or if you cant then dont do it.
A white man knows when to work and when to play.
yes working while working, and playing while playing.
Here is Swami Sivananda on the attitude of the Indian idiots:
"Many people say that they have not got time to perform Sandhya. They have to attend several functions. This is due to their weakness and lack of good Samskaras. They do not know the glory of this divine science. <b>If they see one of their friends sitting on the banks of the river and performing Sandhya, they will begin to shout or they will play some sort of mischief."</b>
This sort of mischief mongering and taking everything as a joke is ingrained in the modern Indians.
yes due to the prevalent crappy pseudo western, cross thick bollywood cum anti values and tradition culture we have now.
Take a look at Indian movies. Any man representing some high ideals like an Orthodox Brahmana or a Keshadhari Sikh is shown as a sort of Buffon.
It is clearly the height of idiocy to show a honorable warrior like a Sikh as a sort of buffon.
Whereas a Gay looking loafer (Usually a muslim actor) is shown as the hero.
Despite his eve teasing behaviour.
aisde of providing employment to lots of not-too-smart types, i dont see very many positeves comming out of PRESENT day bollywood (was good back in the day).
How many white men do you see engaging in eve teasing?
totally different question.... they dont have to do it... cos they get more for less.