No one is going to dispute the fact that the White man has come up with most inventions in the last 200 years.
On trains, let's not forget that for the $1 Trillion or so the British looted from India, Japanese or German Engineers could have been paid to build a far wider and more sophisticated train system.
I think all this talk about Indians not being inventive or Chinese as uncreative is all nonsense. For India's level of economic development, what comes out of there is expected.
In the end it's all about motivation and enthusiasm, which is what is lacking among Indians primary because of the secular socialists who took away all incentive to do anything. If someone could make money by being innovative, then they have a good reason to come up with something new. This technique is what enabled America to stay ahead of everybody else.
I think spirtuality is also very important, a lack of it leads to society becoming unfocused and demoralized (ie. Europe today).
Eastern religions are not equal to the Abrahamic religions. Abhrahamic religions are anti science, and their prophets of doom usually would threaten people with hell. In the west then, as people moved away from the Christian doctrine they actually made great progress in science.
Comparing the role of religion in the west/middle east with India or East Asia is not valid.
Separation of church and state for example does not apply to Eastern religions, where there is a natural separation and tolerance.
So called Hindu Nationalism is not religious at all, but is in fact just plain Indian Cultural Nationalism .
Also let's not get carried away glorifying a race or culture as superior just because they are ahead now. Every dog has it's day. Every Civilization has it's peaks and valleys. Last 200 years have been the height of western civilization. A lot of change is coming on the horizon, such as the large number of Scientists and Engineers in India and China. This is going to transform where most of the future technology is going to come from.
There is no way to prove or disprove if Indians could have invented trains. I think Indians do have the capability to invent trains or the warp drive in the future. If the zero wasn't discovered, how far would math and science have progressed?, there is no way to predict that.
BTW: I think Tintin was the most important contribution by Belgians.
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if you say we dont owe trains to the west, then prove that we could easily have come up with trains on our own... and so on.
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On trains, let's not forget that for the $1 Trillion or so the British looted from India, Japanese or German Engineers could have been paid to build a far wider and more sophisticated train system.
I think all this talk about Indians not being inventive or Chinese as uncreative is all nonsense. For India's level of economic development, what comes out of there is expected.
In the end it's all about motivation and enthusiasm, which is what is lacking among Indians primary because of the secular socialists who took away all incentive to do anything. If someone could make money by being innovative, then they have a good reason to come up with something new. This technique is what enabled America to stay ahead of everybody else.
I think spirtuality is also very important, a lack of it leads to society becoming unfocused and demoralized (ie. Europe today).
Eastern religions are not equal to the Abrahamic religions. Abhrahamic religions are anti science, and their prophets of doom usually would threaten people with hell. In the west then, as people moved away from the Christian doctrine they actually made great progress in science.
Comparing the role of religion in the west/middle east with India or East Asia is not valid.
Separation of church and state for example does not apply to Eastern religions, where there is a natural separation and tolerance.
So called Hindu Nationalism is not religious at all, but is in fact just plain Indian Cultural Nationalism .
Also let's not get carried away glorifying a race or culture as superior just because they are ahead now. Every dog has it's day. Every Civilization has it's peaks and valleys. Last 200 years have been the height of western civilization. A lot of change is coming on the horizon, such as the large number of Scientists and Engineers in India and China. This is going to transform where most of the future technology is going to come from.
There is no way to prove or disprove if Indians could have invented trains. I think Indians do have the capability to invent trains or the warp drive in the future. If the zero wasn't discovered, how far would math and science have progressed?, there is no way to predict that.
BTW: I think Tintin was the most important contribution by Belgians.
<!--QuoteBegin-ben_ami+Mar 7 2006, 02:21 PM-->QUOTE(ben_ami @ Mar 7 2006, 02:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->point if to determine just how much india owes to the west.
if you say we dont owe trains to the west, then prove that we could easily have come up with trains on our own... and so on.
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