03-07-2006, 08:17 PM
oh i know precisely well how their many industrial revolutions was funded by the massives loots of raw materials thay made from various countries.
i also know that that didnt introduce trains to india to help us in any way, but to help themselves loot us better (ie. to get the darjeeling tea to england u need to build a railway like from darjeeling to the port of calcutta etc).
and the same applies to the education system they introduced - done to create brown sahibs.
to the IAS brigade they used - done to rule india better using indians (a technique the poms learnt well from the romans).
if we have benifitted from anything the poms brought to india, its purely by way of consequence, not because they intended it, and its becuase we turned things around (take education for example) and used it in such a way that would help us.
having said that, even though accidental and unintended, there's no denying that a dose of "western civilization" did help to pull us out of islamic dark age.
i also know and have stated here itself how india was doing well on all spheres before muslims arrived. if india never had a muslim rule then you could say that the pom rule was un-necessary from all respects. but facts are facts and we were indeed plunged into a retarded mediaval culture by muslims. someone (now in my iggy bin) once commented on this forum how Ram Mohan Roy, of all people, was an "anglicised idiot" (the poms sent a missionary to convert him. result?? 1 month later the missionary tok to hinduism. thats how anglicised ram mohan roy was) and how his contributions were totally superfluous. but thats a valid point, only if we could undo the muslims rule by some time machine. saying that india had no dowry and had lots of female education etc back in vedic days dont help... cos in year 1800 those vedic days were buried deep by 800 years of islam.
i'll maintain - the west never tried to help us knowingly in any way.
but inadvertantly, india DID benifit from "western civilization" in many ways, most of all, it pulled us out of islamc culture, islamic backwardness of society and most importantly islamic rule - ie. we were under politically elected hindus post 47, and not some nabab or badshah.. (the indian govt or the pom govt will never say those exact words - it isnt politically correct for either party.)
of course all that came for the terrible price of being reduced from the richest to the poorest country in the world, but thats a different thread.
i also know that that didnt introduce trains to india to help us in any way, but to help themselves loot us better (ie. to get the darjeeling tea to england u need to build a railway like from darjeeling to the port of calcutta etc).
and the same applies to the education system they introduced - done to create brown sahibs.
to the IAS brigade they used - done to rule india better using indians (a technique the poms learnt well from the romans).
if we have benifitted from anything the poms brought to india, its purely by way of consequence, not because they intended it, and its becuase we turned things around (take education for example) and used it in such a way that would help us.
having said that, even though accidental and unintended, there's no denying that a dose of "western civilization" did help to pull us out of islamic dark age.
i also know and have stated here itself how india was doing well on all spheres before muslims arrived. if india never had a muslim rule then you could say that the pom rule was un-necessary from all respects. but facts are facts and we were indeed plunged into a retarded mediaval culture by muslims. someone (now in my iggy bin) once commented on this forum how Ram Mohan Roy, of all people, was an "anglicised idiot" (the poms sent a missionary to convert him. result?? 1 month later the missionary tok to hinduism. thats how anglicised ram mohan roy was) and how his contributions were totally superfluous. but thats a valid point, only if we could undo the muslims rule by some time machine. saying that india had no dowry and had lots of female education etc back in vedic days dont help... cos in year 1800 those vedic days were buried deep by 800 years of islam.
i'll maintain - the west never tried to help us knowingly in any way.
but inadvertantly, india DID benifit from "western civilization" in many ways, most of all, it pulled us out of islamc culture, islamic backwardness of society and most importantly islamic rule - ie. we were under politically elected hindus post 47, and not some nabab or badshah.. (the indian govt or the pom govt will never say those exact words - it isnt politically correct for either party.)
of course all that came for the terrible price of being reduced from the richest to the poorest country in the world, but thats a different thread.