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Power centers in the corridors of power, Extra Con
Kavi,
Could you do some research and find out his Quit India record which congress came up with this election? I think it will clear your concept and ofcourse our also.

Action speaks louder than words. ABV did nuclear test, which is one of the greatest achievement of free India.

Well Sonia Au-pair, who father was Nazi sympathizer, knows how to use propoganda.
How about digging some facts about Extra Consitutional Authority Sonia?

DO some home work, don't spread rumour from Gustapo?

Don't blame politician only, people who elect them first to blame.

This thread is about Au-pair Sonia, so I leave it here.
Kavi >
> Would any one in US give the nuclear trigger in the hand of person with such a record, except may be the Greens?

When can we see a Woman President in US, when do you think MOST ADVANCED NATION OF THE WORLD will elect a FOREIGN-BORN PRESIDENT ? Leave alone give the nuclear trigger !


> Well if NDA can choose Vajpayee who has difficulty explaining what he was really up to during Quit India movement and who as Morarjee's External Affairs Minster was the only one of the Cabinet along with the PM ji to vote to de-nuclearize India, shouldn't we be checking and debating the past records of our leaders US style before we fall in love with the images that their PRs create or be eternally mesmerized by their gabbing around

Array bhai yeh SAJA type argument ?

But who has stopped you media ppl to discuss this ?
May be when you are free from sucking upto Antonia ..and you have spare time , pls enlighten us heathens, abt their pasts.

> Isn't it a matter of much needed national debate to dicuss their practised past records and the motives

Sure , pls do go ahead , and hey pls do tell us , when is it okay to delve in past and when not to.

> In the process knowingly adding more sycophantic praise to their tons of self praise, bloating their already huge self image even further .

<!--emo&Smile--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> hmm , array boss, so aapki or meri jaeb sae kya gaya. ( I was attempting to be sort of Libertarian <!--emo&Smile--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> )

> After all there are 1 billion honest , patriotic Indians to choose from who may even give this country the much needed good governance. Why do we need to rely of shifty italy born waitress in england who mostly win elections by the help of criminal elements ?

I AGREE BOSS, no "ROW" here .


> Or are we just brain dead servile pawns, in this power game, for one or the other, fall into the trap they lay for us and think we are in some great heaven too ?

IF You think of yourself as " just brain dead servile pawns" its your choice.
UP
<b>BJP criticises creation of super PMO</b> -pioneer
Agencies/ New Delhi

Criticising the attempts of the Congress-led United Progressive Alliance government to create a 'Super Prime Minister's Office' at Vigyan Bhavan, the BJP Friday said the whole effort had showed the real face of Congress president Sonia Gandhi, who was being projected as an ''icon of sacrifice'' in the country.

Strongly condemning the creation of a super PMO -- the secretariat of 'common minimum programme council', BJP spokesman Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi said for the first time, this office will be keeping a tab on the activities of its ministers and not PMO.

This council will emerge more powerful than the PMO and for the first time there would be two power centres which was against the constitution, he alleged.

He said Vigyan Bhavan was a venue for National and International meetings but now it will be<b> a hub of ''remote control government''. This is a conspiracy to create an extra-constitutional body in the country, he alleged</b>.
<b>Extra Consitutinal Power will now have 3 offices</b> <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
She can ruin India with one office, Well for bigger and long term damage she may need three. <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<b>A house for Mr Rahul Gandhi</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Congress sources confirmed Priyanka had chosen 12, Tughlak Lane for her brother, who currently lives in the 10 Janpath residence of his mother.

Priyanka Gandhi, who acted as her mother's campaign manager during the parliamentary polls in Rae Bareli Lok Sabha constituency, is now supervising the repair work and even choosing the furniture for her brother's new dwelling <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okie.. first his presidential speech was so much controversial but we let it go that it was prepared by UPA govt even though it was not like that he couldnt have gotten it changed or edited.

But this is the limit that he fired four governors...


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Jai Hind
I would not be so quick to assign epithets to a personality such as Dr.Kalam. I know the president could have chosen not to fire the governors. We should not shoot the messenger. It would be good to hear in this thread if the action is LEGALLY & CONSTITUTIONALLY possible, valid, and what could be the reason a president had to succumb to the pressures of a minority government.

We should really direct the anger on the Ruling minority coalition. Not the MAN himself.
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"Jai Hind" Wow you know that phrase... what does it mean ??
I agree completely with Sunder. The powers of the presidency are limited and he basically does what his council of ministers tells him to do. Of course he is not totally a mouthpiece. But the precedent for changing Governors after a new Gpvernment cmes to power in the center has been welll established. If he refuses to sign the order, he will be accused of partisan politics. Further it must be remembered even though he is a NDA appointee, he is not a BJP man. I trust him not to odo anything against the national interest. I wqoould much rather he reserve his powers for real substantive issues than for partisan political matters.

I will merge this with another thread as it does not warrant a separate topic.
It is not unusual to remove governors, Mrs IG started it. Janata of 1977 did it. There are precedents for this president.

If we talk of traitors, then ther are some who consider Atalji also a traitor.

He has often done the wonders of 'No Talks, aar Paar ' only to turn 180 degress and hug the butcher Mushy.
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Admins can we pls change the title please.

I have seen APJ Sahib , distributing "Vivekanand" related books ..
Thanks.
Done - Topic has been merged. Clearly these actions have been taken at the behest of the Italian madam.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He has often done the wonders of 'No Talks, aar Paar ' only to turn 180 degress and hug the butcher Mushy<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I have a minor quibble - I have never seen ABV hugging the Paki b@#$$%. But now we have word that the new Government has conceded that the UN charter applies to J&K. So let us all stop talk about traitors and play the role of a 'loyal' opposition. Even in the case of the Italian madam, the epithet does not apply since she has never renounced her Italian citizenship. The blame should lie on the party that has foisted this uneducated individual as de facto executive head of India. Fifty years after independence we have not transcended our love of the Gora chamda. All good things are associated with the Gora chamda - virtue, goodness,ability, education, leadership.
Kaushal > Done - Topic has been merged.

Thanks Garu


> All good things are associated with the Gora chamda - virtue, goodness,ability, education, leadership.

<!--emo&Smile--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->) . I can hear Umrao crooning "Gori Gori o banki Chori Kabhi mera ghar ayaa Karo" ( A Goldie Oldir from KK )

Sunder > It would be good to hear in this thread if the action is LEGALLY & CONSTITUTIONALLY possible, valid, and what could be the reason a president had to succumb to the pressures of a minority government.


I am no lawyer, but still, there have been such change-overs in past.

President of India had to follow the dictat of GOI. There is no issue of "succumbing" , it was not as if "Article 356" was being forced by President of India on behalf of GOI.

It will be naive of BJP/NDA or anybody politically aware to not expect this. This is politics and nit a simple flow-chart. And here BJP showed there inaptitude with handling the Medium and telling to Media that BJP ( LKA & Venkaiah ) has "instructed" to these "Governers" not to resign. Now "Governor" being non-partisan cannot be *instructed* by a party by logic.

In short after ABV manali musing goal , this is another self goal, had they not spoken abt "instruction" , BJPcld have reaped the ladoo of "Moral High ground".

If I am wrong , pls comment.
we make too much of partisanship. Partisanship is unavoidable in domestic politics. every individual is partisan to some extent or another. Generally where we avoid partisanship is iin foreign policy, where there has to be a consensus as with respect to TSP, USA and China. But this government has everything ulta. It is conducting a partisan foreign policy while at the same time demanding non partisanship from its Governors, who deal mostly with internal politics.

Further partisanship does not transcend honesty. It is more important to be honest than to be non-partisan, something the Congress forgets. the BJP has to fight this tooth and nail and at the least point out that this is another precedent gone by the wayside.
K > the BJP has to fight this tooth and nail and at the least point out that this is another precedent gone by the wayside.

Excatly , I would and do look forward to it. BJP needs to regain its vigour. My only worry is just like Indian Kirkit team they always so the tendency to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
From the Pioneer, dated July 8. The Italian Madam is for all intents and purposes the PM of India. I have never seen a Sikh as spineless as MMS. He is proving to an embarassment and showing himself to be as spineless as. Remember even in the US $3 to 5 crores is not an insignificant amount of money, especially fir such a small group of people. Spending that kind of money in callous disregard for the rest of us poor schmucks shows the insensitivity and arrogance of the Congress many of whose members act as if they are doing the rest of us in india a favor by being in the government

<b>'Parallel PMO' now official</b>
New Delhi/ Rana Ajit

The provision OF a "parallel PMO" has been made official in the Union Budget 2004-05. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will have to share the budgeted allocation of Rs 14.39 crore to his office with the National Advisory Council (NAC), headed by Congress President Sonia Gandhi.

Until the last fiscal, the Budget allocation for the Union Home Ministry, which accounts for salaries and other expenses of the Union Council of Ministers, including those of Prime Minister's Office, the PMO used to get an exclusive allocation to take care of its expenditures on salaries, travel and other expenses.

But the Budget allocation for the PMO under the UPA Government, besides providing for "salaries, travel and office expenses", also provides for "other establishment related expenditure of the PMO and the National Advisory Council, constituted for implementation of the National Common Minimum Programme".

Apparently, the compulsion of fending for Ms Gandhi-led NAC has forced Union Finance Minister P Chidambram to raise this year's allocation for the PMO by Rs 2.67 crore over the last fiscal's actual expenditure of Rs 11.72 crore.

The Finance Minister was obliged to raise the budgetary allocation for the PMO despite the fact that his budget has proposed to significantly slash provisions for salaries and tour expenses of various other ministers by reducing the budgetary grants.

The budgetary provisions for the tour expenses, according to the Budget presented by him, have been put at Rs 46 crore, which is Rs 42 crore less than that of the last fiscal's.

According to the budgetary provisions for the Ministry of Home Affairs, the allocation for the salaries of Cabinet Ministers, Ministers of States and Deputy Ministers has been reduced to Rs 1.51 crore from the previous year's Rs 2.91 crore.

The sumptuary and other allowances have also been reduced, though marginally, from Rs 2.73 crore to Rs 2.55 crore.
MMS is Sonia's lap dog and leash is in Priyanka's hand. MMS is a shame. <!--emo&:thumbdown--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' /><!--endemo-->


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