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Traitors And Anti-nationals In India!
Please use this thread as a collection folder for anyone and everyone, in & outside India, of Indian origin who's treacherous to our motherland. For right now please limit to people in politics and power in India, we can expand later as the need be.

This thread should not be limited to people of any particular community or group, however please do not play the 'Equal-Equal Game' by blaming a person of another group trying to spread out the blame equally.

The reason I'm starting this thread is to make a list of people who are living of our country's resources but not loyal to her. In short, their loyalty lies outside India yet they don't. And we need to know who these great souls are?


PS. No inter-group dislikes under the disguise of finding traitors, please.

For example, we have Mr. X from Party 'A' and Mr. Y from party 'B.' Y doesn't like X, or say a decision of Mr. X caused Y, or his party, a lot of heartburn then Y can dislike X or hate X with all his heart but still.........Mr. Y still cannot call Mr. X an anti-national.
Starting this thread with the following article:

Imam Bukhari backs 9/11 attacks - [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/xml/uncomp/articleshow?msid=216124"]http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll...how?msid=216124[/url]

Quote:As long as the US refused to apologise for the atrocities on Muslims in Palestine, Afghanistan and other parts of the world, there was no question of regretting the 9/11 violence, he stated.

The Shahi Imam was speaking at a function at Shoshtri Hall at Bhendi Bazar, where he released the inaugural issue of a Urdu weekly, Qaumi Jasarat Jadeed.

In a highly controversial speech, he also defended Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban. He said despite the extensive bombing of Afghanistan, the US could not kill Osama Bin Laden, who is believed to be the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks.

"It is Allah's wish that Osama Bin Laden stays alive. The US cannot take away his life," he said amidst the chanting of the slogan Allah O Akbar (God is great).

The US also has been unable to crush the Taliban. There were more than 35,000 fighters in the Taliban and the US cannot hope to wipe them out. The Taliban had taken on the might of Russia and would stand up to the US also.
Krishna, permit me to nitpick here. Imam Bukhari is certainly not one of my favorite people, but it is not clear that the above statement is anti-Indian much less traitorous. He is of course lauding the act of 9-11, which is despicable, but does that make him a traitor to India ? After all the GOTUS did diddly squat about terrorists who have acted against India in the past.

The same goes for praising OBL. OBL has made adverse remarks about India but there is no charge against him in Indian territory AFAIK and if he were to visit India, which he almost certainly has in the past, it is not clear that the GOI can make any charge of violating Indian law stick on him. Of course GOTUS would want him extradited, but even that could get bogged down in a legal battle. My point is praising OBL is no crime in India. In reality of course India would probably whisk him away secretly to the US, regardless of the legal issues. Even so I am not sure that praising OBL is a particularly good example of traitorous or anti-national activity on the part of Imam Bukhari.

A better example would be if Imam Bukhari said something about defying Indian security forces in J&K. I will try to dig out some material on that, but my suspicion is that he has become very adept at not crossing the Lakshman rekha.

The charge of traitor is a very serious charge and should not be bandied about lightly.

An example of where IB comes close to crossing the line is the following;


when he says
Quote: He also said that any dialogue on the Kashmir issue could not be successful, unless ``Pakistan is involved in it''

Clearly asking that TSP should be involved in an internal matter of India assigns a role for the terrorist state of being a Godfather to the IM population which is simply unacceptable and indicates that he considers Pakistan to have a role in J&K.

And this where he exhorts Iran not to have good relations with India;

Quote:Commenting on the recent visit of the Prime Minister, Mr. Atal Behari Vajpayee, to Iran, the Shahi Imam said: ``Iranian leadership will have to consider which is dearer, friendship with the Indian Government or Indian Muslims. Iran is well aware of the pitiable condition of Indian Muslims even though it gave such a certificate to Mr. Vajpayee.''

The choice that he poses(for the Iranians) here is particularly odious. Furthermore, suggesting that the elected PM of India is not representative of India and hence should not be dealt with would in all likelihood violate some statute.
Kaushal, You have very valid reasons to disagree with my calling Bukhari a traitor. The reasons you gave are technically right and there is no way I can counter argue that. However, I will try to give my reasons for calling him a traitor.

The reason I'm calling him a traitor is not because he had defied any law of the land or done something anti-national but because he's directly challenging the views of most Indians which has become 'a given' but not a declared law. After 9/11, India and Indians openely supported USA and said we are with you, even though you guys didn't supported us when we are facing the same problems for the last decade......we are still with you and we will do whatever we can to help you nail down these b@st@rds. And Bukhari knows it as well as the world that India & Indians meant it when they said that, unlike the pakis. Now lauding the acts of 9/11 and praising Osama is the same as lauding the parliament attack on Dec 13, 2001 and then praising the Terrorist regime of TSP. IMO, he's not a traitor for he has done any thing anti-national, on this one, but because he had insulted the national stand of India.
Clearly SIMI is a traitorous organization as well as a terrorist org.

[url="http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/terroristoutfits/simi.htm"]Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI)[/url]

The Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), proscribed under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, 2002 (POTA), is an Islamist fundamentalist organization, which advocates the ‘liberation of India’ by converting it to an Islamic land. The SIMI, an organisation of young extremist students has declared Jehad against India, the aim of which is to establish Dar-ul-Islam (land of Islam) by either forcefully converting everyone to Islam or by violence.


The SIMI was formed at Aligarh in the State of Uttar Pradesh on April 25, 1977. Mohammad Ahmadullah Siddiqi, Professor of Journalism and Public Relations at the Western Illinois University Macomb, Illinois, was the founding President of the outfit. It originally emerged as an offshoot of the Jamaat-e-Islami Hind (JeIH).

Objectives and Ideology

Governing of human life on the basis of the Holy Quran

Propagation of Islam

Jehad for the cause of Islam

SIMI also attempts to utilize the youth in the propagation of Islam and also to mobilize support for Jehad and establish a Shariat-based Islamic rule through "Islami Inqulab". As the organization does not believe in a nation-state, it does not believe in the Indian Constitution or the secular order. SIMI also regards idol worship as a sin and considers it to be a holy duty to terminate idol worship.

SIMI is widely believed to be against Hinduism, western beliefs and ideals, as well as other ‘anti-Islamic cultures’. Among its various objectives, the SIMI aims to counter what it believes is the increasing moral degeneration, sexual anarchy in the Indian society as also the ‘insensitiveness’ of a ‘decadent’ west. Ideologically, SIMI maintains that the concepts of secularism, democracy and nationalism, keystones of the Indian Constitution, are antithetical to Islam. Parallel to its rejection of secularism, democracy and nationalism is its oft-repeated objective of restoration of the 'khilafat', emphasis on 'ummah' (Muslim brotherhood), and the need for a Jehad to establish the supremacy of Islam.

The outfit is known to have adopted an extremist and militant posture on various issues of concern to the Muslim community.

According to the SIMI, Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden is an outstanding example of a true Mujahid, who has undertaken Jehad on behalf of the 'ummah'.


Dr Shahid Badar Falah functioned as the national president and Safdar Nagori as the secretary-general till the organization was proscribed under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, 2002. The Delhi Police arrested Falah on September 28, 2001, from its office in the Zakir Nagar area of Delhi and he has subsequently been charged with sedition and inciting communal disharmony in the State of Uttar Pradesh.

Currently, the outfit is reported to be operating underground under the leadership of Nagori. Nagori has been named in a First Information Report (FIR) under Section 3 of the Unlawful Activities Act, registered at the New Friends Colony Police station in South Delhi. Nagori, declared a Proclaimed Offender in the case, has been absconding since September 27, 2001. He is alleged to have established links with the operatives of Inter Service Intelligence (ISI), Pakistan’s external intelligence agency, and other Islamist fundamentalist leaders in a bid to revive SIMI cadres under the umbrella of a different outfit.

Linkages and Areas of Operation

SIMI reportedly secures generous financial assistance from the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), Riyadh, and also maintains close links with the International Islamic Federation of Students' Organizations (IIFSO) in Kuwait.

The Chicago-based Consultative Committee of Indian Muslims is also reported to have supported SIMI morally and financially.

The SIMI also has links with the Jamaat-e-Islam (JeI) units in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal. The SIMI is also alleged to have close links with the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM) and the ISI. Certain SIMI leaders are reported to have had close links with Pakistan-based terrorist groups such as the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammed.

Groups of SIMI sympathizers reportedly exist in several places in the Gulf States. Jamayyatul Ansar, an organisation of SIMI activists comprising expatriate Indian Muslims, reportedly operates in Saudi Arabia.

Several Islamist fundamentalist organisations in India are allegedly controlled by former SIMI cadres. Prominent among them are the Kerala-based National Democratic Front and Islamic Youth Centre (IYC), and the Tamil Nadu Muslim Munnetra Kazhagam (TMMK) in Tamil Nadu.

According to official sources, in the year 1993 following the arrest of a Sikh terrorist, it was revealed that SIMI cadres, Sikh and Kashmiri terrorists, had been brought together by the ISI through the Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan to carry out subversive activities.

The outfit is currently regarded as having a national presence with strong bases in the States of Uttar Pradesh, Delhi, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat, Kerala, Maharashtra (Aurangabad, Malegaon, Jalgaon and Thane), Andhra Pradesh and Assam. It reportedly has a strong base in various universities in these States. SIMI is also believed to enjoy the support of a large section of the Muslim populace in cities such as Kanpur, Rampur, Moradabad, Saharanpur, Lucknow and Azamgarh in Uttar Pradesh. Official sources are reported to have identified nine districts in Uttar Pradesh, where the SIMI is suspected of engaging in subversive activities-Lucknow, Kanpur, Aligarh, Agra, Faizabad, Bahraich, Barabanki, Lakhimpur Kheri and Azamgarh. The SIMI is also being utilised by various terrorist outfits because it has a well-knit network in Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and West Bengal.

Membership, Influence and Activities

Opposed to democracy, secularism and nationalism, SIMI has been advocating among its followers - some 400 ansars (full-time cadres) and the 20,000 ordinary members - the need to oppose "man-made" institutions and work for the ummah. Students up to the age of 30 years are eligible to be its members and after completing this age-limit they retire from the organization. SIMI cadres consider Osama bin Laden as a ‘true believer of Islam’ and regard him as an epitome of ‘Islamic Hero’. According to Safdar Nagori, a prominent SIMI leader, bin Laden is "not a terrorist'" and neither is Jammu and Kashmir an "integral part of India." At its congregations, messages and recorded speeches have been relayed from the Palestinian Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yasin and Qazi Hussein Ahmed, chief of the Pakistani Jamaat.

Official sources have indicated that the SIMI has established links with terrorist outfits and is also supporting extremism/militancy in Punjab, Jammu and Kashmir and elsewhere. The outfit is reported to have published objectionable posters and literature, which are intended to incite communal feelings and which question the territorial integrity of India.

Shaheen Force, the outfit’s wing for schoolchildren seeks to "protect the children from present-day misguidance and vices" and keeps them "under the shade of Islamic culture". The outfit also has a wing that aims to channelise the talent of girls for the Islamist cause.

SIMI reportedly operates many special programmes for students of Arabic colleges and Islamic universities. Students receive training and other assistance in the study of languages and Islamic sciences. According to the SIMI, renaissance of the ummah depends on Islamic scholars because the community can attain its glory only when it will be led and guided by sincere ulema (scholars).

According to the SIMI, Israelis were responsible for the 9/11 attacks in New York. According to a press release issued by its secretary-general Safdar Nagori after 9/11, "there are strong reasons to believe that the recent attacks may be a conspiracy of the Zionist Israel, which is rapidly losing world support because of its inhuman and terrorist activities in Palestine."


SIMI publishes several magazines in various languages, including Vivekam in Malayalam, Sedhi Madal in Tamil, Rupantar in Bengali, Iqraa in Gujarati, Tahreek in Hindi, Al Harkah in Urdu and the Shaheen Times.



July 16: A POTA Court in Delhi convicts two SIMI activists for their active involvement with the banned outfit.

May 26: Mumbai Police arrest two suspected activists of the SIMI in the Ghatkopar bomb blast case and remand them to police custody till June 5.

May 14: Mumbai Police arrest three persons from Padgah village and foil a plan that envisaged a series of explosions in Mumbai and Kerala, which was allegedly hatched by the SIMI and Lashkar-e-Toiba. The accused were identified as Muzzamal Ansari, Mohammed Nadir Palob and Arif Hussain.

May 11: Mumbai Police detains SIMI activist Anwar Ali, a lecturer of the National Defence Academy in Khadakvasla, Maharashtra, for his suspected involvement in the March 13-Mulund train bomb explosion case.

May 3: Mumbai Police arrests six SIMI activists with links to the LeT and also seizes lethal chemicals and some arms and ammunition from their possession.

April 25: Mumbai Police arrests two suspected SIMI activists for their alleged involvement in the March 13-Mulund-bomb blast case from the Padgha village of Thane district.

April 21: Mumbai Police arrests Ghulam Akbar Khotal, an alleged SIMI activist from Ratnagiri in Maharashtra, in connection with March 13 Mulund blast.

April 10: Saquib Nachan, a SIMI activist, surrenders before the Mumbai High Court. He is subsequently arrested by the Mumbai Police and booked under POTA for his alleged involvement in the Mulund blast. Saquib was arrested from Gujarat in October 1992 under the Terrorist and Disruptive Activities (Prevention) Act (TADA) for his subversive activities and sentenced to life imprisonment, which was later commuted to 10 years by the Supreme Court. He was released from the Sabarmati jail in April 2001.

March 12: Noman Badar alias Falahi, one of the top leaders of SIMI, is brought on transit remand to Delhi from Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh. A case against him is pending in a Court in Delhi for his involvement in unlawful activities, including publishing objectionable using inflammatory language.

February 24: Police arrest two persons allegedly connected with the SIMI at Rabodi in Thane District of Maharashtra and seize incriminating documents from their possession.

January 29: Mumbai Police suspects the LeT and SIMI for the twin blasts near Vile Parle railway station in Mumbai on January 27 and January 28. United Arab Emirates (UAE) based LeT terrorist Abu Hamza is suspected to be the masterminded behind the first explosion, in which a women was killed and 25 more injured.

January 27: Uttar Pradesh Police arrests three SIMI activists from Lucknow and recover certain incriminating documents from them.

January 26: Dubai authorities deport Mohammed Altaf, an activist of the SIMI and main accused in the December 2, 2002, bomb blast at Ghatkopar.

January 9: Madhya Pradesh Police arrests Bhopal district unit former president of the SIMI Khalid Naeem. He was later released on bail.

January 3: Mumbai Police invokes POTA against four SIMI activists–– Abdul Mattin, Sayed Khwaja, Muzzamil Ahmed and Zahir Shaikh––for allegedly setting off a blast inside a bus in Ghatkopar on December 2, 2002, in which three persons were killed.


December 21: A Delhi court discharges SIMI leader Mohammed Javed Iqbal in a sedition and unlawful activities case and also drops sedition charges against its president Shahid Badar and three others. While discharging Iqbal, the court granted bail to Badar and four others in the case. The court also dropped sedition charge against Badar in another case and granted him bail on a personal bond of Rs 5,000 and one surety.

October 7: Supreme Court issues notices to Union Government and eight States on a petition filed by the SIMI challenging the Union Home Ministry's order declaring the organization as unlawful and the subsequent order of a Tribunal upholding the same. States to which notices were issued are: Kerala, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, West Bengal, Gujarat, Rajasthan and Andhra Pradesh.

May 27: Two SIMI activists are arrested in Delhi.

May 5: Uttar Pradesh unit SIMI chief Noman Badar is arrested in Lucknow.

March 18: SIMI activist Hasib Raja is arrested in Kolkata, West Bengal, and half a kilogram of RDX is seized from him. He was allegedly planning to blow up the Howrah Bridge.

January 28: Police arrest eight SIMI activists from Vadodara in Gujarat.


December 28: Police in Surat, Gujarat, arrest 123 persons for their alleged links with SIMI and also recover certain incriminating documents from their possession.

October 24: Maharashtra Police files charge sheet in a Jalgaon Court against 11 SIMI activists arrested for suspected terrorist activities.

October 8: Police arrest the Tamil Nadu State vice-president of SIMI, Abdul Qudoos, from Madurai.

October 5: Maharashtra Police arrest three SIMI activists from Ahmednagar.

October 1: Police arrest nine SIMI activists in Madhya Pradesh and one in Delhi.

September 29: After the ban on SIMI, the Police arrest another 122 of its cadres across the country.

September 28: Delhi Police seals SIMI headquarters at Zakir Nagar and arrests four senior members of the organisation, including its national president Dr Shahid Badr Falah. Shahid Badr was subsequently charged with sedition and inciting communal disharmony in Uttar Pradesh.

September 27: Union Government imposes a ban on the SIMI under section 3(1) of the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act. Following the ban, 241 SIMI activists were arrested across the country and authorities seal many of its regional offices.

September 21: Uttar Pradesh Police arrests three SIMI activists in Bahraich for alleged anti-India activities. Five more SIMI cadres were arrested in the same town a day earlier.

August 8: The Uttar Pradesh Police says SIMI activists arrested in Kanpur earlier have revealed that the ISI had asked one of its agents to supply explosive material for subversive activities in northern India.

August 6: Police in Kanpur register cases against 12 SIMI activists on charges of waging war and sedition.

May 9: Police arrest 13 SIMI activists, including zonal President Irshad Khan, in Kurla and Vikhroli in Maharashtra for allegedly possessing weapons and several incriminating documents.

April 10: Ilyas Gausn, main accused in the Pune communal violence, surrenders before a judicial magistrate in the city.

March 16: Six persons, including an Additional District Magistrate, are killed in a clash between SIMI activists and police in Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh.

March 11: Police arrest Sajid Sundke, city unit chief of SIMI, and four of his associates in Pune for their suspected involvement in the communal riots in Ganj Peth and Ghorpade Peth areas of the city.


March 12: Deputy Chief Minister of Maharashtra, Chhagan Bhujbal, discloses in the State Legislative Assembly that Pakistan-based underworld don Chhota Shakeel, in league with the SIMI, is inciting communal riots in some parts of the State.

August 15: Uttar Pradesh Police arrest Mohammad Aquil, a former student of Aligarh Muslim University and an active SIMI member, in connection with a bomb blast in the Sabarmati Express train near Faizabad.
In India this is not an earthshattering news, that a potential traitor sits in the Rajya Sabha as a MP

[url="http://www.ndtv.com/topstories/showtopstory.asp?slug=SP+MP+named+in+Home+Ministry+report&id=12892"]Home Ministry report links MP Abu Azmi with Dawood[/url]
The colour of blood

Tarun Vijay

A close collaboration between Communist terrorist

organisations from different parts of the country is

strengthening their ‘armed revolution’ against the

Indian State

During the last year, Communist terrorist

organisations have registered an unusual increase of

36 per cent in their activities. The precision with

which mines were blasted with the intention to take

Chandrababu Naidu’s life speaks a lot about the

preparedness of the People’s War Group (PWG).

Since the 1917 October revolution, violence has been

an inseparable part of the Communist ‘practical party

line’. From Stalin and Mao to EMS and Jyoti Basu,

violence has always been the hallmark of Communist

parties’ growth even as banners inscribed with the

words ‘Peace, Harmony, People’s power, Condemn the

Bourgeois, Long Live the Revolution’ continue to

flutter on the graves of the ‘enemies of the working

classes’ (read dissidents and opponents). Terrorism is

used as a tool to perpetuate their hold on the masses

as well as their own party workers. Another

interesting facet of the Communist violent movements

in this subcontinent is their presence in the only two

Hindu majority countries, i.e. Nepal and India. They

are, surprisingly, not active in any of the Islamic

countries in our neighbourhood.

What is most worrying the government is the

realignment and rejuvenation of Communist extremism

and its spread to new frontiers. The close

collaboration between the Maoist Communist Centre

(MCC) and the CPI(M-L) People’s War has almost

crystallised into a broad ‘united front’ of Communist

terrorism in India. This is one of the three

pre-requisites laid down by Mao for a successful armed

revolution, the other two being a ‘people’s army’ and

a ‘strong Communist party’.

The main purpose behind the unity of the MCC, CPI(M-L)

People’s War as well as the Communist Party of Nepal

(Maoist) [CPN-M] is to carve out a ‘compact

revolutionary zone’ from Nepal through Bihar and the

Dandkaranya region to Andhra Pradesh. This arrangement

also involves imparting training and supplying arms

and ammunitions to Nepalese Maoists, while maintaining

close ‘fraternal relations’ with anti-national outfits

like the ULFA and the NSCN(I-M).

Chandrababu Naidu is on the hit list of the PWG mainly

because its cadres were attenuated by a series of

debilitating losses inflicted upon it through the

anti-PWG drive of the Andhra police. But the PWG still

retains enough manpower, organisational network,

arsenal and striking power to remain a major threat to

internal security. It has raised companies on the army

and paramilitary pattern by upgrading its existing

military platoons.

It is also engaged in training its overground

sympathisers in guerrilla warfare, development of

capabilities to make wireless sets and form a

‘people’s guerrilla army’.

Intelligence inputs indicate that in pursuit of their

efforts to evolve a united platform of Communist

revolutionaries for strengthening their ‘armed

revolution’ against the Indian State, the MCC and the

Revolutionary Communist Centre of India-Maoist

(RCCI-M) have agreed to merge into a single entity, to

be christened the Maoist Communist Centre of India


It is significant that the erstwhile CPI(M-L)-PWG had

been similarly formed in 1980 by the merger of seven

splinter Communist outfits operating in Andhra Pradesh

and Tamil Nadu. The CPI(M-L)-Party Unity of undivided

Bihar merged with the CPI(M-L)-PWG in August 1998 in a

new avatar called the CPI(M-L) People’s War. Since

then, the outfit has acquired a national dimension and

today accounts for about 64 per cent of country-wide

Communist violence, with its activities being reported

from 12 states.

In Kerala, the main targets of Communist terrorism

have been RSS and BJP workers.

Recently, a local court awarded capital punishment to

five CPI(M) workers who were found guilty of killing

Jay Krishnan, a BJP worker. Since 1969, more than 60

RSS workers have been brutally killed by the

Communists. And how! A teacher was hacked to death in

front of his students in the classroom, students of

the ABVP were drowned in a river, a former CPI(M)

worker’s legs are knifed in front of his ageing

parents for the ‘sin’ of joining a RSS shakha.

Similarly, in Bengal, Trinamool Congress workers have

been the main targets of the Communist violence. Their

hands were chopped off when found ‘guilty’ of ‘not

voting for the CPI(M)’. More than one hundred cases of

murders, rape and plunder have been reported by the

Trinamool Congress, but the Communist government

ensured that nothing happened to their ideological

comrades. Neither the ‘secular’ parties, nor their

fundamentalist Taliban-like ‘combative’ allies feel

concern for the victims of Communist violence, which

is as despicable as any other form of violence.

According to home ministry sources, more than 9,773

(till June 2003) people have been killed by various

Communist terrorist organisations active in 55

districts declared ‘Left-extremism affected’ in eight

states. Those killed were mostly farmers, teachers and

students coming from tribal, scheduled caste and low

and middle-classes. All these murders were done in the

name of janyuddha or revolution.

India, already bleeding under attacks by Islamist

jehadis, cannot afford to tolerate another jehad of

the red hue. Ironically, the ‘Marxist media’ and the

so-called secular parties keep a studied silence over

the barbaric Communist terrorism and try to

romanticise the entire movement under the cover of

some bizarre ideological shades.
If this strange

ideological apartheid continues to reign, the victims

will feel driven to the wall. There just cannot be two

kinds of responses to savagery in a civil society.

When Hindus are killed, the response is a muted

condemnation for the sake of ‘record’. If non-Hindus

face a similar fate, ‘secular hurricanes’ arrive with

global dimensions. If the faith in the fairness of our

institutions has to be maintained, the murderers of

9,773 Indians should also be brought to justice.
this is absoluately hilarious. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' />


PTI[ SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 02, 2003 08:09:31 PM ]

BANGALORE : Chairman of Kashmir Committee and former Union Minister Ram Jethmalani said that the Indian government was not serious about normalising relations with Pakistan , and called for immediate resumption of talks between the estranged neighbours. ( ,was your father or your dada working in pukki's land? by the way, how much money you earned when you faught cases for terrorists in court? )

Addressing a function here, Jethmalani said he was in contact with the people of Pakistan and India and both wanted peace ( sir, are you also in contact with hijbul mujahiddeen? thats cool.so i should nominate you for NOBEL PEACE AWARD? ) but "our rulers are not seeing the opportunity". ( yes, i can see mushy is in diying hurry to hold talks bcoz his control is lossening over pukki's land and can collapse anytime soon. )

Later, he reiterated his position while talking to reporters, "I don't think they (Indian government) are really serious about seizing the opportunity... there has never been a more auspicious time to settle this dispute". ( hereby i declare divide his home and sell half to osama for his activities)

Replying to a question, he said he thought Pakistan promised to dismantle terror networks on its soil, adding, he believed Islamabad has partly done so.

(OH my krishna, does this man have third eye to see that mushy did that partially? mr.jethamalai, why you don't believe what INDIAN ARMY said about terrorists camps? oh yes, i got your answer that INDIAN ARMY is saying what anti-muslim L.k.Advani is telling them to do...right? or your intelligance network is better than INDIAN ARMY??...or you think those gay pukki-murderers have more honesty than indian army?)

"May be, with greater sincerity they ( Islamabad ) could accomplish it (dismantling of terror networks)much better. But still we must take them at their word." (why indiatimes need to put words in his mouth?...saving him from geting naked?)

"We must meet them and tell them that some terrorism is persisting and let us sit down and decide how to stop it," he said. ( <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> , you mean ABV should give SHANTI-VACHAN [alaah- allaah upadesh in your language <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' /> ] to mushy?? some terrorists?? or 10000? ....so what after donating kashmir?...you want to adopt some lovely of them?(gay-kinda like you <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' /> ) )

Jethmalani added, "We can't make the dialogue (with Pakistan ) subject to a veto by a few terrorists who are not even under the control of Musharraf. ” (so he is saying some terrorists are actually under mushy's control <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Big Grin' /> ha haha....thanks god , he said something true. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> )

He said the Kashmir Committee was engaged in "secret and valid work and we are sure we are doing an excellent work". (wow, this man's statue should be built in Delhi near MAHATMA GANDHI's SAMADHI place, absolutely, this is only man who is peace-lover and everyone else is fool. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' /> )

The Committee believes it should do all the diplomatic work "without the press breathing down your neck (humm.....he will surely jump in elections next year if his peace initiative gets success <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' /> )

we need to prepare list of such people who are supporting mushy and murderers from our land. keep this idiot on most-watched list. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' />
Hare Ram! He is quite a Jhootmanyloony.
Daler Mehndi was recently in the media for his inolvement in human smuggling. As usual, Indian media was more interested in Daler than the issue at hand.

Its hard to imagine that highly paid artists and public figures would indulge in such activities. It is more shocking to realize that many are here in US who are indulging in this human trafficking.

Kanu Chuhan and many other promoters are in this racket. They sponsor shows where big wigs like Sanjat Dutt and many other stars come to the US. Among the musicians and celeberties are people who have paid high amounts of money to be smuggled into US.

Are we shocked that US has finally labeled Dawood as a terrorist? People from the underworld, hitmen, etc, have been flocking into US since early 90s. NYC was witness to show after shows. It was a known secret that extortion money is collected at Jackson Heights.

The Gold Business in Jackson Heights slowly was taken over by overnight shadowy characters. They all received marriage invitations to Dawood's brother's daughter's wedding.

Though I tried my best to bring attention to this angle of criminal activities to Indian authorities, no action was or is taken. Sadly the ex-Police Commissioner of Police from New Delhi is also involved in this racket.

Ex-cook to PM Rao is today working as a slave in a resturant in New Jersey. Forget the big name traitors, we can find many low-profile traitors as well.

Gill Confusedkull

I agree with you, I have seen number of victims in UK, USA and Singapore. It is easy to get into trap when ring leaders are know personality.

Daler had done very good job in Delhi, providing free meals, adopting roads and park. Which is very much visible, I am still very surprised and don't believe he is involved, Yes, his brothers are know for illegal activities.
Mr. Mudy,

I agree with you and also that his brothers are involved in more than just illegal activities as we know.

But what I am trying to and tried to highlight was that rich business men here in US and other cities are being used for transits of under world figures. I can easily name quite a few businesses that have shadowy dealings here in NY.

Why is it that stars go to these shows and perform for few measily dollars? In london, Swiss and Carribean, stars go to meet Bhai's [Dawood's] men.

This is the most common excuse of stars in words of Mr. Sanjay Dutt, "what are we supposed to do. They threaten to kill your family and if you go to the police, they are also involved. So I asked Haniff to get me a gun for protection, and he got me AK-56".

"When I was in remand, they asked me to write down everything on a piece of paper, a sub-Inspector came to me alone and said that they respect my father and warned me as to what I write on that paper because before it goes to Commissioner and Delhi it will be faxed tonight to Dubai".

[Conversation took place in NY in 1996]

The leaders today are culprits, and we the people are to blame, they come from among us, the corrupted, evil and shameless Indians. So I think this is a right forum to highlight anti-nationals who are just common citizens or Indians.

Gill :argue

what you just said about dawood's open access to NYC is making my eyes dance. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />

if this can happen then why not a "fabricated 9/11" possible? <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />

All the gold shops in Jackson Heights have been bought by immigrants who had just landed off the planes. Where did they get such huge investments? Second, why did Indian businessmen sell off their shops on cheap and I mean cheap prices?

Even I have in my possession a invitation card to Dawood's neice's [sic] wedding. It's writing is in gold. And every merchant on 74th St. Jackson Heights sent special $$$$ gifts to the big man.

In collaboration to all this, these guys are also now in concert and shows business. It is very awkward to have 6 Pakistani promoters and 1 Indian promoter for an Indian show. I obtained a list of troupe members that arrived in US for last Sanjay Dutt show. There were 60 people to play 23 instruments. I asked the person at the Indian Counslate what was this? LOL!!!

Vishal, back in 1992 [?] after the first serial blasts in Mumbai, CIA sent a special report to the executive office about South Asian Mafia. The most damaging part of the report was that this gang [Dawood] had the ability to deal in Nuclear material and possibly provide a nuke device to terrorist orgs.

Few days ago I was watching History Channel that had a hour long program on Bin Laden and his affiliation with Dawood. The report and the program also said that top officials of both countries, Pakistan and India are cohorts of this evil man.

On a personal level I believe that Dawood is dead. I believe he was killed in Dubai in 1996. But there is a new triangle, was he a RAW agent that went solo? Or was he a deep mole inside Pak? Anyway we will let Stardust answer that.

Back to the match

Gill :ind
Is this Judeo or Judev rascal an ideal candidate for this thread? Or, will naming him a "traitor or anti-national" go against "forum rules"? <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' /> <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' />

I thought Judeo and his friends didn't like the Mahatma. Now he says he was following the Mahatma?!! <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Big Grin' />

Then, he also says something like,"money is as important as God". A god-fearing man! We need more of his kind.

Turns out this fellow was taking drinks too when he was accepting money!

[url="http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=35499"]Drinks, Claims and Videotape[/url]

I thought RSSmen are not allowed to drink leave alone take bribes from Australian mining companies.

[url="http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=35571"]Dalit and "Rajah" getting different treatment[/url]


With all the evidence at hand, yes he is guilty for accepting money for the party. As for drinking, and smoking, I have done it even in my days as a RSS member, yes it is not healthy or encouraged at the org, but again its not a Nazi like cult.

It depends on a individual, I thought professors were capable of viewing solutions beyond the relam of 11 dimensions.

Please lets not make a org. with impecable record of national service be hostage to one member's actions and lifestyle, it will be very petty of us as being civilized Indians.

Gill <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' />
Shri. Gill,

I appreciate your comments. I am upset because of the RSS' leadership standing by this fellow. They did not show the same courtesy to Shri. Laxman when Tehelka happened. They got rid of him same day. Many in my family support RSS and some take part in activities. They tell me how pure they are, how service minded they are, etc, etc. Now we find out. In the end, with Shri. Laxman and this latest rascal they are no different from other politicians. The only reason we never heard about RSS family corruption is because they have not been in power for a long time. This seems to be a very pro-RSS forum, so saying this may not be welcome here. If you boys really care about India, it is not just enough to criticize Congress, SIMI, etc. Keep an eye on such enemies of Bharat too, even if they are RSSmen.
Shri Professorji

Namastee. Please do not use Shri to refer to me as I am younger to you. Shriman, with all due respect, politics has no friends or foes. I myself will not overlook RSS record on behest of one man's actions or BJP protecting it.

To me my nation comes first. But in context to this, criticism of SIMI Congress etc. is based on valid reasons.

I as being a firm believer in Hinduvata and equal rights is pissed off more than anyone here with BJP. To this day the three promises made by BJP to Hindus have not come true. But hey nation comes first right?

I dont understand why I need to criticize? Can you please tell me one good deed of SIMI? Of Congress?

I dont know why they didnt back Laxman etc? I do not know, neither do I care. I am as an electorate is more concerned with my interests and my nation. If Laloo promises to work on my issue, hey he is the next PM.

From my personal observation of VCD, it is fabricated and a set up. Why you ask? My company edits videos in NYC for rock bands etc. The camera that was used is digital Dv Cam, but a VCD is issued why? Laxman etc? It seems to be a patern set , an investigation needs to initiated.

Please look at bigger picture, it will all be clearer.


Jai Shri Ram Professor Ji
Prof. Godbole,

Every member of BJP is not from RSS.

You can find corrupt people everywhere, but how to punish them can judge what type of organization it is.

Regarding Laxman, he was taking money for BJP party. But his method was not perfect for media.

Cong/Sonia take money differently. She never take it directly but through her lap dogs. Media is not exposing them because they are sleeping with them. Gerorge was caught no punishment was given, P.C. Shukla, Sheila Dixit, Maken are known for hefty bribe.

Ajit Jogi is involved, no punishment, infact Sonia is rewarding him.

You will be shocked to know that Cong-I have provided free plots to number of journalist of all main news papers and TV in Delhi and other big cities. I know couple of them get regular favor from them till today even Cong-I is not in power. Who is paying them such a money? From where? Is Bofor or money from Gulf or Chruch is providing them

I still consider BJP million times better then Sonia/Cong-I.
That is because the BJP, with all its weaknesses, IS a million times better than Congress.

I think this phenomenal growth which India is experiencing now started as soon at the BJP got into power. Had they a majority in the elections, i am sure they had all the plans to take even tougher decisions. Tougher for the corrupt netas and spoilt government employees/trade unions that is.

Congress has got absolutely nothing to show for itself. They do not have a leader to project as the future leader of the party or the country except Sonia Gandhi. Madhavrao Scindia was one leader, but the bad luck of Indian politics is that the good die young while the bad remain parasites to the country as long as they live.

And since they have nothing to show for themselves, they indulge in trying to propagate BJP's image as a "hindu nationalist" party, anti-Muslim, anti-Minority and what not.

If Congress comes to power, i am sure they will take this country back at least 10 years. If the BJP comes to power the next time as well, i wish Dr. Manmohan Singh joins them so as to strengthen their economic policies.

And i am sure 'The Tabloid of India' will label me a rabid Hindu Nationalist for these views. as for the Communists, God i hope he delivers them a speedier death before they do further harm to this country.

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