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India And The World
I have better ideas. I suggest banning DU projectiles as a 5 year mission. All they do is pollute and contaminate the battlefields which mostly are in Third World countries. DU projectiles were developed to stop the Soviet tank armada expected to sweep the Western Europe. However since the Cold War ended they are used in Third World countries by Western countries after demonizing the leaders who have no clue what this is all about. So a European weapon develped to be used against Soviet Union is being used agaisnt TW terrorists and scalawags.

the King of Geopolitics Harold Mackinder writes

Eight Lectures on India

Britain should get rid of the monarchy, says UN

Succinctly dismissed by the 'Telegraph'
<!--emo&:ind--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/india.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='india.gif' /><!--endemo--> Indian Air Force pilots and technicians are already training Malaysian pilots, weapons system operators and maintenance personnel for induction and operation of their newly-acquired Sukhoi-30 MKM fighter aircraft.

In Myanmar, New Delhi trains officers and supplies small patrolling vehicles and small aircraft. The Indian navy is engaged in defence cooperation with Vietnam. And, naval exercises at a very basic level are being done with Philippines. India and Laos developed a close relationship after Laos - as the country coordinator for India in the ASEAN from 2004 to 2006 - played a crucial role in letting India join the East Asia summit.


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>UN-acceptable censorship: The United Nations tries to outlaw criticism of Islam</b>
By Floyd Abrams

Wednesday, January 14th 2009, 4:00 AM

Almost 500 years ago, on the wall of the Castle Church in Wittenberg, Germany, Martin Luther posted his 95 Theses, characterizing as "madness" the notion that papal pardons could absolve individuals for their sins. As viewed from Rome, Luther had maligned, even defamed, the church. Luther was eventually excommunicated. His conduct ultimately led to the creation of a Protestant Church in Germany and a Reformation throughout Europe.

It is difficult to believe that in the 21st century anyone would seriously propose that conduct such as Luther's should be deemed illegal. But a few weeks ago, the General Assembly of the United Nations took a giant step in that direction. <b>It adopted - for the fourth straight year - a resolution prepared by the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference calling upon all UN nations to adopt legislation banning the "defamation" of religion.</b> Spurred by the Danish cartoons of 2005, some of which portrayed the Prophet Muhammed in a manner deemed offensive by the OIC, the resolution was opposed by the United States, most European nations, Japan, India and a number of other nations.

Nonetheless, it has now been adopted.

Not sure where else to put this, Rajiv Malhotra's latest article...
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Please read my article, "We the Nation(s) of India," that has appeared
in Tehelka magazine in India this past weekend. URL:


It raises issues like the following:

-- India's fragmentation of identities

-- Fragments turning into politically unweildy and opportunistic vote

-- These fragments becoming appropriated by foreign nexuses.
Pan-Islam, Global Christian Evangelism, and Maoist, representing the
three global civilizational forces respectively, are each carving out
a piece of the elephant.

-- Indian elites unwilling to deal with this issue and hiding behind
various fig leafs: denial of the problem; political correctness in
understanding the problem; only admitting those problems which they
feel are easily solvable. I refer to this as the Bollywood ending in
which "everyone lives happily ever afterwards."

-- The role of academic scholars like Romila Thapar and Martha
Nussbaum in exacerbating India's divisiveness, by promoting
"victimhood" of one Indian group against another.

-- Why Indian minority leaders are no Obama: they advance personal
careers not on integrated nation building but on divisive identity

-- Is this a superpower?

On a somewhat related topic, some of you might not have seen the
video of my earlier talk organized by the Asian-Indian Chamber in New
Jersey, just 10 days before the Mumbai attacks. I raised issues which

were troubling to some folks at the time, but it seems that recent
events make such public discussions imperative. Here's the url for the
2-hour panel including Q&A:

<b>UN warns India against anti-Muslim prejudice</b>


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<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+Mar 25 2009, 07:28 AM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ Mar 25 2009, 07:28 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>UN warns India against anti-Muslim prejudice</b>


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[right][snapback]95748[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->UN obviously got all their info on India from watching slumdog millionaire - rather like how the film itself was also put together by an entity that had never been to India and didn't know anything about the country (by Danny Boyle's own admission).
Or the UN got this spiel from the many christo/christoconditioned Indians who had previously studied in St Stephens and are now in the UN, no doubt pleading for islamic terrorism to be given a free reign in Bharatam.

No conspiracy here. USA's game plan to keep India bottled up in an India-Pak South Asia box is out in the open. Do you need a tutorial on the obvious. Now, given that TSP is punching above its weight through terror & nuke peddling, the equal equal needs to be re-cast along different trajectories. On terror, its equal equal as long as TSP keeps its LeT and other assorted scum focused only against India. Just the other day Obama, in the glare of 100s of international media 'praised' MMS as a good boy and told India that there is no such thing as TSP-sponsored terror, there is only India TSP equal equal poverty. There is no conspiracy in this, its out in the open. On nuke deal, sure given TSP's nuke peddling, a direct nuke deal with them is not feasible, but recognizing TSP's nuke status means opening up other avenues to so that any benefit India gets through the nuke deal will be balanced by something else to TSP once it is recognized as a nuke power. Once again equal equal but along different trajectories. No conspiracy here, out in the open again. And this is what I predicted long time ago. This India TSP equal equal will continue till either TSP does indeed become equal equal to India in real terms, or India comes down to TSP's level in real equal equal terms. But there is no way USA will allow a strong nationalist Hindu-dominated India to rise unimpeded. The contempt for Hinduism is just too deep among western elites and intellectuals.

But there is no way USA will allow a strong nationalist Hindu-dominated India to rise unimpeded. The contempt for Hinduism is just too deep among western elites and intellectuals.

That is too broad a stroke.

Let me just say that any illusions tall fair Pakistanis may have harboured about 'spindly-legged madrasis' cleared up with picture of the RLV aerobody. The Americans did not get to where they are today underestimating their potential rivals.


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->sanjaykumar wrote:
But there is no way USA will allow a strong nationalist Hindu-dominated India to rise unimpeded. The contempt for Hinduism is just too deep among western elites and intellectuals.

That is too broad a stroke.................

Actually it is not. The contempt for the Hindu faith is there as is the latent resistance to the emergence of a strong India. Entities like islam are treated with wariness given its propensity for senseless violence. China, the other emerging (if not emerged already) power is treated with respect because its billion plus citizens more or less present a united front. Interactions with the chinese in the US is always interesting for that reason.

Unless Indians themselves present themselves with a measure of (not just confidence) but arrogance. Unapologetically smash this scourge of islam's terror in its midst, smack with an iron fist the threat posed by evangelical jehadis, that state of apathy and disdain will continue.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<img src='http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/992/mapbiggame.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<!--emo&Sad--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> The tactic to block Federation Square, Melbourne's city hub, and bring life to a standstill, seems to be working.

There were a lot of local people asking what this rally was all about. Most of them didn't know about the attacks on Indian students. "The people with turban (Sikh students) are Muslims, aren't they," asked Diana, a passerby. "Is this something about Sri Lanka," asked another onlooker.

X-posted from Future scenarios thread... See how he realtes the past to the future.

<!--QuoteBegin-"brihaspati"+-->QUOTE("brihaspati")<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Current scenario in India can perhaps best be characterized as a phase of extreme and accelerating diversity. Historically, India shows alternate periods of extreme diversity and then a counterreaction towards extreme unification and homegenization followed by a counterreaction again of moving towards extreme diversity. During the diversity phase, concomitants are the presence, intrusion or activity of "foreign" elements in society and ideology.</b>

<b>We can identify such phases in expansion of the Persians into the western provinces of India circa 500-600 BCE, which is followed by attempts at political and ideological consolidation in the Magadhan empire.</b> The <b>process deepens with the advent of the Greeks, followed by political and ideological consolidation in the Mauryan empire. Same happens with the fall of the Mauryas, and the phase leading up to the Kushan consolidation and corresponding consolidation in the south. The phenomenon repeats with the period of the Guptas, and more spectacularly illustrated in the follow up to the Islamic invasions with the rise of Shankara school of thought. The later phase under Sultanate is of coures more well documented and we can identify the patterns more clearly, right up to the advent and eventual formal expulsion of the British.</b>

The average human mind is perhaps limited in the number of models it can maintain of abstract entities with corresponding associated concrete rules of behaviour. <b>So too much diversity means too many models a single individual has to keep in mind while deciding how to react in a given situation. Eventually a time comes, when that threshold of capacity is crossed and people become open to suggestions of homogenization and unification that simplifies and reduces the number of different models. Indians have prehaps been subjected historically to many more such episodes of diversification that has acted as stimulus to increase the threshold compared to other societies which started out later on the path towards complexity. This slightly increased capacity is reflected in the easier acceptance and tolerance of diversity as reflected in the ideological history quite prominently, as compared to say European society.</b>

But still even this increased threshold is reached eventually, even in India. <b>At the moment we are fracturing our society and ideology at an accelerating pace. The more this happens the quicker we approach the point when the majority of the population will reach their threshold and be looking for a simpler, homeogenizing, unifying framework.</b> Is that going to be the Abrahamic? Unlikely, for they are "too simple" for the level of complexity that the Indian mind has become used to. Can it be the vacccum ideology as maintained and promoted by the "secularist" Congress+Left position? That leaves too much to opportunistic thinking and individual decisions relying on their self-interest only - something the general Indic mind is not comfortable with over the long term.

<b>Are we ready to think towards an alternative? Whether we like it or not, we will have to face this question, and it is intimately linked with the geo-political scenario for the next few generations in India.</b>

An interesting article by R. Vaidyanathan

The contemporary world is witnessing conflict within Abrahamic
traditions; conflict between Abrahamic traditions and the rest like
Buddhism, Hinduism and indigenous civilizations; and conflict between
modern and Abrahamic traditions and the rest. The essential aspect of
Abrahamic traditions is homogenization in terms of set of beliefs and
way of living. How India should strategize itself to deal with the three
major conflicts? India can and should take a position on this war within
the three Abrahamic traditions, the root cause of global instability in the
last 20 centuries. An important weapon available to India is
heterogeneity, particularly in the form of caste and community. The
caste system has been undermined by the so-called intellectuals, based
on their acceptance of the Euro-centric model of individual, which is a
right-based rather than duty-based system. However, caste has played
an important role in the consolidation of business and entrepreneurship
in India, particularly in the last 50 or so years.

India is a land of contradictions. The country produces some of the world's brightest minds and the single most successful immigrant community in the United States. Yet roughly 50 percent of its own population is illiterate. It's a country recognized by global leaders as a high-tech superpower. Still, I often couldn't make a local phone call. There's a lot of talk among those in power in India about how the Internet super-highway will speed them to prosperity. Meanwhile, endless traffic jams and a deteriorating national highway system kept us creeping along at a snail's pace as my wife and I traveled through countryside. Goods carrying trucks can only average about 10 miles an hour crossing the country and often can be held up for days by the bureaucracy just trying to cross state lines.

I came to India prepared to find a nation about to take over the world. China has long been my call as the coming superpower for the 21st century but I figured India might give it a run for it's money. There are, after all, many similarities. Both countries have emerged after decades of restrictive political and economic systems. Both have motivated and sizeable workforces. Both are leaders in the new high-tech world. More importantly, though, leaders in both countries talk a lot about change.

But while China has embraced economic reform and capitalism, rebuilding its infrastructure, India still hasn't quite made up its mind what it wants to be. As I drove through the cities and small villages and talked to politicians and local business people, I got the sense that it's a country that’s still uncertain if it's ready to move beyond the protectionist and anti-foreign sentiment that drove it to the brink of bankruptcy just over a decade ago when it had only three weeks of foreign currency reserves in its coffers. We constantly ran into the holdover protectionist and anti-foreign practices during our trip.

Of course, China has always had a bit of a lead on India. China began embracing a more free-market economy as early as 1979 while leadership in New Delhi only began abandoning their socialist system back in 1991.

I last visited India in 1988 when the country was still following the protectionist and socialist policies. Communism around the world was collapsing and the Berlin Wall would fall the next year. Countries were opening up.

Today, India is still world's behind China. China's infrastructure is superior with speedy super highways and new construction every where. India's infrastructure is in a shambles. The road and rail system that the British put in over a century ago is falling apart. Nearly everywhere we went we had trouble finding continuous running water. Getting on the Internet was often nearly impossible.

Power shortages are an even bigger problem. Brown-outs and black-outs plague the country, creating havoc in the tech-centers. At the beginning of this year, power went down for as much as 16 hours in six states and the capital city of New Delhi. Such shortages are the bane of IT companies who must spend exorbitant amounts of money buying extra generators just in case one of their overloaded grids burns out. Jack Welch, CEO of General Electric, visited the country last year and was the first to tell the leaders that while, the country showed lots of promise they'd better do something about that power problem.

Physically, India is as imposing as any country we've driven through. Roughly a third of the size of the U.S., it's a diverse and ever changing landscape. We passed along the edge of the Northern region, an area dominated by the Himalayan mountains, and into the Indo-Gangetic Plain, a 1,500 mile stretch of land blessed by some of the most fertile soil in the world. Acres of rice fields, fed by the vast irrigation system surrounding the Ganges River, stretch as far as the eye can see. We visited extraordinary temples and caves that dated back thousands of years. The Kumbh Mela in January is the largest gathering of people in the history of the world as tens of millions -- including us -- washed themselves in the holy waters of the Ganges. India remains one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world as well. While Hindi is the official language and English is widely spoken, there are 24 languages spoken by at least a million people or more as well as at least 1600 known minor languages and dialects.

We certainly fell in love with the country and its people. Not even the wildest imagination or most creative novelist could invent a complex and extraordinary place like India with its various ancient cultures, religions, monuments, holy men, the fashion and film industries of Bollywood, traditions, foods, sights, flora, fauna, geography, etc. We were constantly bowled over as we drove through the countryside and would strongly recommend it as a place to visit.

A federal republic, the country is divided into 25 states and seven territories. These states often vary greatly from one to the next in terms of infrastructure and the amount of revenue they produce for the country overall. That's resulted in tensions between states, as many people view certain states on drags on the overall country. The high-tech sectors often seen the more rural states as drains on the economy. It's as if the dot-comers in the U.S. were to get upset with our steel industry. Similarly, some states complain that certain ones get special treatment. The earthquake, for instance, that recently shook the state of Gujarat and killed thousands, garnered a great deal of attention and federal aid. Last year, though, when there was a typhoon in Orissa, the Eastern-state, little help was given. We discovered people from Orissa who were still deeply resentful.

The ongoing problems in Kashmir are well known, but the seven states of the far east are also torn by many insurgencies. We had to travel with a serious military convoy in Tripura and were saddened to hear 11 soldiers were killed on the convoy the next day. There were several political murders in Assam in the weeks after we left. We were held up for 4 days trying to enter Manipur state by a Sub Inspector of police who insisted our permission to enter as foreigners had to come from the Federal Capital in Delhi not from the local state capitals which we had. We were especially terrified as we drove through since the Superintendent of Police twice warned us not to take the road because of the insurgents and their "numerous sophisticated weapons".

We reached the other side of the state safely and were finally stamped out of India. Another Sub Inspector of Police came racing across the border insisting we could not leave Manipur "since we did not have permission to be here". He was adamant that our permission from Delhi was no good since it had to come from the state capital. He held us up another 5 hours even though we were already out of India. The bizarre Indian bureaucracy kept trying to hang on even after we were gone.

What has put the global economic country on the map over the past decade is its high-tech expertise. Bangalore, a city in Southern India, is the Silicon Valley of India, but other technology hubs are popping up all over the country. The software exports have grown from $50 million in 1993 to $6.3 billion last year. That number is expected to grow to $50 billion by 2008, according to the National Association of Software and Services Companies. The software industry now accounts for 11.5 percent of India's total exports. Eight Indian IT companies, including firms like Infosys and Wipro and Satyam are listed on North American exchanges. The country is a major supplier of skilled software engineers, who are wooed by high-tech corporations in every country around the world.

Despite such a bright spot, India's economy on the whole is less impressive. India's budget deficit remains sizeable, stuck at 10 percent of its gross domestic product of $475 billion. Inflation doubled in 2000. And despite the growth of the IT industry, the stock market has lost nearly half of its value over the past year. More important, the growth of its IT industry, though, means little to those who don't have enough water or power or struggle to feed themselves everyday. In fact, more than 400 million people live on less than $1 a day.

Such a contradiction within India's economy is the result of a lingering sentiment of protectionism that has remained in India for over half a century. Many of the leaders that ruled India after the British left in 1947, like Nehru and his daughter, Indira Gandhi, feared further influence of foreigners and established a practice of strict self-reliance, known as swadeshi. These governments subsidized many Indian industries, never allowing foreign companies to compete and thereby never allowing its own industries to excel. Such subsidies have long been a drain on the country's economy, accounting for as much as 14 percent of its GDP.

As a result of such protectionism and subsidies, many industries within India have remained stagnant. Indians are incredible farmers who could likely rival the U.S. in agricultural production. But the government doesn't allow people to own more than 18 acres. This is driving out many productive producers. Farmers from the Punjab have started buying huge spreads in Kazakhstan. In the eastern section of India, there is a company called Bengal Fertilizer, which was built in the early nineties. The government spent $1.2 billion on it and it took seven years to complete. It now employs 1550 people with complete work schedules, vacations, canteens, unions, etc. And yet they have never produced an ounce of fertilizer. I can't even figure out why.

Foreign investment has stymied just when it gets started. Last year, for instance, the government adopted liberal venture capital rules to encourage foreign firms to invest in the growing tech industry. Not long after, though, the foreign minister announced that such VCs had to liquidate their holdings 2 months after a company was listed on the stock exchange. Foreign direct investment tells the larger picture: In the first decade of its economic liberalization, India only managed to attract $23.7 billion, just slightly more than what China can attract in six months. And while foreign direct investment totaled $4.5 billion last year, that was still a tenth of what China is estimated to have received in 2000. Foreign companies must often get the approval of numerous government agencies before they can start businesses. Prohibitively high import tariffs---as high as 34 percent---discourage peddling their wares in India. And labor laws make it nearly impossible to fire anyone. Many complain of the massive corruption and red-tape.

We constantly ran into the holdover protectionist and anti-foreign practices during our trip. A computer cord we could not buy in India and which was useless to anyone in the country was held up in Customs for 5 days and then required a 50% fee even though we would be taking it out of the country in a few days. We had a replacement auto mirror -- again useless to anyone in India except us sent to us in Calcutta. We explained it would be in the country only a few hours as we were heading for Bangladesh. It was still there when we left as "an import license is required". Indian Customs inadvertently ruined a pop up tent sent to us for travel further east. Rather than telling me they had destroyed it, they charged me import fees before giving it to me to discard.

Such stories plague the Indian economy. Texas-based Enron arrived back in the early nineties when India was encouraging private energy companies to bid for licenses to build power plants on its soil. Enron built plants but had a terrible time getting the government to pay them for their electricity. The company ultimately spent years in legal battles just to get paid. It's a perfect example of how the India government has wanted to encourage foreign companies while at the same time they can't embrace them.

Such protectionism trickled down to our experience in the sub-continent as well. We had trouble finding many basic IT products such as Palm Pilot or Compaq and others which have been on the shelves for many, many months in other countries. We normally have to buy SIM cards for each nation we visit but in this IT dynamo we couldn't buy one card to cover the whole country. We could only buy them for small geographic areas. Nationwide prepaid SIM cards were even available in Tanzania and Pakistan. The cost for foreigners to enter the Taj Mahal in Agra was 96 times the fee for locals. That's the worst case but it was rarely less than 45 times the fee. It's chauvinism and anti-tourist arrogance at its worst. The Times of India was complaining that China earns 12 times as much annually as India and was questioning why while we were there. Perhaps they should start with the way tourists are treated. India has many, many more exciting tourist possibilities than China. The temple at Ellora and/or the Taj Mahal in Agra exceed everything China has put together yet India only earns 8% as much as China from tourism.

There's been a lot of talk from the current leadership, led by Atal Behari Vajpayee, about privatization, a positive step, if you ask me. When you are looking to raise the much needed revenue to deal with a budget deficit, privatization makes perfect sense. Last year, at the behest of the IT industry, the government broke up the state's monopoly on long-distance telephony and Internet bandwidth, an absolute necessity to rebuilding the country's telecommunications system. But very little progress has been made. So far, only one company has been privatized---a bakery.The government wants to privatize Air India and Indian Airlines, the country's two main carriers. Still, I was astonished to learn that Air India only has 23 planes, quite a small number for the flagship airline of the second largest country in the world. The airline industry has powerful unions allowing Air India to become overstaffed: there are roughly 700 employees for each aircraft, well above the typical ratio. Plus, the planes are old and need at least $1.5 billion to be modernized. Vajpayee must convince his population and government that it is in their best interest. And for a country that fears a new colonialism, such privatization only means further influence of foreign powers which is why they are limiting foreign ownership of the airlines to small percentages. Perhaps that is why only a couple of firms showed interest in investing in the privatizations.

More recently, the government has unveiled its new business-friendly budget, which would take such smart steps as further privatization, cut corporate taxes and interest rates. More importantly, the government plans to liberalize foreign exchange rules, which would make it easier for local companies to invest and raise capital abroad. That would allow the burgeoning IT industry to be even more competitive. But I've heard such talk before and the government hasn't always followed suit. It's important to remember that there are still many ethnic, religious, and linguistic divides in India, which prevent the country from unifying around one collective goal.

Education is also a problem. While India produces some of the best and brightest minds in the high-tech world, there are in fact relatively very few schools of higher education in India. If you are one of the fortunate ones to get in, school, like so many other institutions, is subsidized. You pay nothing. But only a minor fraction of the population actually goes to school. That's a waste of tremendous brain power.

Ultimately, I bought only one stock in India and only a few shares at that. But it wasn't shares in an Internet start-up or some high-flying software company. It was a hotel chain called India Hotels. They're doing exactly what I like to see in a company: Buying up other good quality hotels at depressed prices because they believe there will be a resurgence in India's hotel industry one day. That's an approach that takes into account the true beneficiaries of India's expanding economy: it's growing middle class. There are about 250 million people in India's middle class, nearly the population of the entire U.S.

For now, I wouldn't touch a tech company here. I've heard a lot of the same rhetoric we've heard in the U.S. Every company was a dot-com-er two years ago. Now everyone calls themselves software companies. You can't keep changing your name just to protect yourself. I spoke with a man who runs a software company and he told me that there were several profound reasons that the local IT industry was still stagnant.

First, revenues from software made by Indian companies is taxed while export revenues are tax-exempt. In other words, an Indian company has no incentive to do local business. All the businesses are then competing for overseas market share. Plus, doing business with locals often means dealing with meddling bureaucrats, who get involved in their business.

Second, there's a great incentive for smart Indians to leave. While a tech downturn in the U.S. might make companies there less attractive, there are other markets that are developing their IT industry that would be more than happy to have some smart programmers. Germany, for instance, is giving special visa exemptions to local Indians looking to migrate.

Third, American companies are much more familiar with outsourcing their work than local firms in India. And foreign companies pay better. As a result, the smarter engineers tend to go work for the foreign companies rather than locals.

Ultimately, the IT bubble, which is bursting in the U.S., will have profound ramifications in India. The Nasdaq is hitting new lows and I think the bubble still has a way to go. No bubble ends with two-year lows. Bubbles end with 10 or 15 year lows. By then, India may have learned to practice true economic reform, taking a lesson from their neighbors in China. Maybe then they will understand that a free-market economy isn't necessarily a new form of colonialism.

India today is very different from the India I experienced in 1988. Then there were no foreign goods and little outside media of any kind. I certainly notice the differences, but they are still disturbingly small compared to other countries. You can get just about anything in China or even in parts of Africa, but not here. We were amazed to discover that even small town shops in Myanmar had much more on offer than the same in India.

Yes, India is changing and growing. There will certainly be more opportunities and excitement of every kind as the middle class continues to develop. India will be fascinating over the next couple of decades, but be careful of the longer term. India really is not a rational country. The English mushed India together in the panic of independence in 1947, but little heed was given to ethnic, religious, linguistic, historic, national, or geographic considerations which is one reason India has had problems with every one of its neighbors since. India as we know it will not survive another 30 or 40 years. This of course does not have to end in disaster, but it probably will given the chauvinism of its government and the way history has always worked.


While the Hindus were distracted by the existential threat from the legalist chIna-s they took their eye off their age old enemies the mlechCha-s and the turuShka-s. These threats we shall discuss in two dimensions. We have covered both these on these pages before but we shall revisit them in different words (for after all what is there other than to replay the tape if history repeats itself). Recently, a Hindu thinker R Vaidyanathan created a new formulation of the clash of civilization in which, in addition to the conventional Abrahamistic players such as Isaism and Mohammedanism, he introduced a new player termed “modernism”. He sees an all-all clash between modernism and the other players such as the aforesaid Abrahamisms and also the dharma. While we accept modernism as potentially real entity, like socialism before it, we see modernism as merely a secularized tentacle of Abrahamistic thought. The 2nd and 3rd Abrahmisms in particular have the quality of being memetic viruses that deserve objective study as objects of special interest. They have the distinctive property of producing mental aberrations that normally arise from defective brain hardware via merely a viral “software”. This property of Abrahamisms is in a sense like a prion disease, wherein a defective prion molecule is enough to make normal protein molecules to fold as prions. This infective property of the Abrahamisms has been inherited by modernism. It does spread from brain to brain just like its predecessors but one of the properties of it is its ability to “emasculate” the infected individual. As a result a population with an epidemic of modernism becomes weak and susceptible to a life-threatening infection by Isaism or Mohammedanism.

So what is this modernism? While it tries to hide itself under the guise of science, technology, entertainment and fashion it is in reality none of these. Most lay observers fall easily to these subterfuges adopted by it and fail to recognize its debilitating social character. It is a term used by R Vaidyanathan but in the past it went under some other names stemming from socialism such as “progressivism” and “liberalism”. Like modernism these terms seem attractive and even desirable to the undiscerning.

So what is this modernism? While it tries to hide itself under the guise of science, technology, entertainment and fashion it is in reality none of these. Most lay observers fall easily to these subterfuges adopted by it and fail to recognize its debilitating social character. It is a term used by R Vaidyanathan but in the past it went under some other names stemming from socialism such as “progressivism” and “liberalism”. Like modernism these terms seem attractive and even desirable to the undiscerning.

To really understand what this modernism, or what ever one might call it, really is we have to turn to an analysis of the pretamata. We do this at some length because here is where we apparently depart from R Vaidyanathan. While the marUnmAda is similar, it is cruder and more primitive of the two so we can subsume its devices largely under the analysis of the pretamata. The premata is a system that rests on the belief in an entity called God (I spell this entity as they do with the capital letter God, only to distinguish it from the older concept of a god). From this God, the pretAchArin-s believe that an *absolute* set of values termed good and evil and something else which they call morals emerge. They typically believe that these are unique to Homo sapiens and non-existent or nearly non-existent in other organisms. In circular reasoning that is typical of such mata-s they claim that the presence of “moral behavior” in humans is proof for this entity called God. But it is a rather well-known result in evolutionary biology that behaviors termed “moral” by the pretamata are consequence of kin selection or of optimization of a prisoner’s dilemma type game. Thus, “moral behavior” has already been explained within the evolutionary theory and a corollary to this is the elimination of God of the pretamata/ the marUnmAda. Now, even though this is the case, we must realize that most influential biologists and other secular thinkers are products of Western “civilization” whose concepts are founded on the pretamata. Thus, wittingly or unwittingly they have imbibed this concept of absolute values in morals — most of them are rather terrified by the prospect of these values being in reality very relative. Hence, even if they reject the values of the pretamata, they create a new set of values that they hold as being absolute. It is this constellation of the new absolute values, adherence to and enforcement of them that constitute what is termed modernism. The individual set of values differs from group to group of those who uphold modernism but still the founding aspect of the pretamata, i.e. they are absolute, does hold within each group. One aspect of such values held by modernism is termed political correctness in the madhyama mlechChavarSha and its satellites in the leukosphere. But it additionally includes a wide range of other values that might be upheld to different extant within the leukosphere. Examples of these include:
1) The leukosphere has the supreme right in deciding what form of government is good for all people of the world. Corollaries of these include it is alright and not a genocide when Iraqis are killed in large numbers, but the Hindu varNa system is a crime against humanity. It is good for the leukosphere to possess nuclear weapons but it is bad for India to possess them. Republican Party (GOP) of US is a good mainstream party whereas RSS in India is a terrorist/fundamentalist organization.

2) Practices allowed by the rubric of modernism are good, whereas those which belong to competing systems, such dharma, are bad. Corollaries include: Valentine’s day is cool, but vinAyaka chaturthi or janmAShTamI are outmoded, noisy or primitive. Reading English works is good and a sign of civilization, whereas reading itihAsa-purANa or kAvya is sign of being old-fashioned. Talking of great modern western scientists is inspirational, while talking of old Hindu scientists in chauvinistic and obscurantist. Observing bakShaya and bhojya rules is strange and old-fashioned whereas drinking and eating all kinds of abhojya stuff is modern and progressive. Pop music is good but any form of old Hindu music is not keeping with the times.

3) The right of self-defense against predatory religions/ideologies is human rights violation on part of the victim who is defending himself/herself. A corollary is that it dangerous to know about or learn to use Ayudha-s. A strange spin off which is visible in the madhyama mlechCha desha is the idolizing of law enforcement. The very job definition selects for a typical law-enforcement agent to be one who is willing to use violence himself to achieve dominance. Now such people are intrinsically dangerous themselves and should be carefully controlled for society to be stable. By idolizing the law-enforcement agent (an aspect of modernism) one is actually idolizing a rather destructive streak of human nature. In contrast the intellectual kShatriya idolized in the archaic brahma-kShatra tradition was a very different figure who was an *upholder* of dharma rather than a *law-enforcement* agent.

These absolutes of modernism, not surprisingly, emerged in the leukosphere as it is an offshoot of the pretamata. As a consequence it has been in some conflict with the pretamata. But at deep level there is no conflict as they are structurally similar ideologies. Further, the madhyama mlechChavarSha, the bulwark of the leukosphere, is still strongly anchored in the pretamata. Hence, the pretamata uses modernism as a defensive strategy (as it earlier used socialism and democracy) to attack its rivals such as the marUnmAda and the heathens. The Hindu heathens fall prey to it in same manner they fell to the marUnmAda and the pretamata in the past. But this is further compounded by the intellectual lilliputs among the Hindu elites who are simply unable to fathom these ideologies.

For example, the Hindu intellectual cretins want to fight the evolutionary theory because they feel it undermines their “faith”. They feel that scientific understanding threatens their “religion” because it considerably undermines the very concept of punar janma. Hindus assert that they believe in God and that they have only one God. Some also speak of believing in God even though they are very modern and hence do not practice karman-s. When pressed to say more about this god they say brahman is the one God and all other gods are merely manifestations of him. They proudly cite the shruti pramANa for their one God being dIrghatamAs’ words: “ekaM sat viprA bahudhA vadanti”. When you ask them does any real Hindu *believe* in brahman or puruSha they tell you of course. On other matter they assert that Hindu kings never invaded any other “country”. All this is a sign of not just infection by modernism but the fact that these memetic diseases have completely blinded the heathen. Thus, rather than harnessing his unique position to study the unmatta mata-s and increase his horizon of knowledge and with that create a defense against diseases of the mind the Hindu eager succumbs to those very diseases.



I cant grasp the difference between your analysis and RV's. I think when RV talks about modernism and homogeneity doesnt that assume an absolute sets of values (good and evil) ?

If you could highlight that more clearly in your followup that would be great.
While I support improving ties with Jews and Israel, just read the comments posted in this article. The arrogance is absolutely disgusting, it's a good lesson, don't get too friendly with anyone.


Terror Warning Pertaining to Chabad Houses in India
October 16, 2009

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Just a month before the first yahrzeit of the Mumbai Chabad House victims the latest terror alert was announced, an alert that includes the Chabad houses, shuls, and “places where Jews congregate” in India.

Israeli travelers to India are urged to remain vigilant and to be extra cautious, and to familiarize themselves with instructions from counter-terrorism officials and to adhere to instructions.

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Time to stop trekking through Indian cholera-infested countryside in search of “spirituality”. What can an educated, <b>even if totally secularized, Jew expect to find in a place where cows are treated better than humans defies imagination.</b>

Comment by sammygol — October 16, 2009 @ 9:50 am

theres more than just spirituality in india people go for business. dont you remember the victims? if i recall non of them were there for spirituality

Comment by eric55 — October 16, 2009 @ 10:56 am

Could Israel designate the Chabad houses as diplomatic property and as such be allowed to provide armed soldiers to protect as the United States does around the world with Marines?<b> If the Indian government wants business dealings with Jews then it better make sure that our people are protected and protected well.</b>

Comment by 12786 — October 16, 2009 @ 1:35 pm
^^There are no permanent friends in this kaliyug but only common interests. We have no existential threat from Jews and neither they have an existential threat from Hindus. Our priority should be to awaken the dhimmis with sophisticated methods and document the truth. It will serve two purpose - Strengthen the Indic culture and thwarting the dogmas and bigotry.
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T N Ninan: A Singh doctrine?

Manmohan Singh broke the economic mould in 1991. He may be trying to do the same thing with foreign policy now

T N Ninan / New Delhi December 12, 2009

Manmohan Singh broke the economic mould in 1991. He may be trying to do the same thing with foreign policy. As with economic policy till Dr Singh came along, the country’s diplomacy too has remained in a basically Nehruvian mould — with an emphasis on principles, on right and wrong, on Third World solidarity. It came to a stage where other countries began to view Indian negotiating positions in multilateral fora as all “take” and no “give”. Dr Singh seems inclined to change that.
[url="http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567050/microsoft-yahoo-decide-indian-porn-ban"]Microsoft and Yahoo decide on Indian porn ban[/url]
Quote:ALTHOUGH MICROSOFT AND YAHOO have not actually tied the knot yet, they appear to be unanimous about the need to protect Indians from the perils of pornography.

Yahoo has announced that it is blocking sex searches for all those on the Indian subcontinent. Its decision came after a similar statement from Microsoft's Bling, er, Bing last week.

Part of their motivation might be a law currently being looked at by the Indian government to make porn illegal.
However so far no one has actually told Yahoo or Microsoft to pull the plug on Indians searching for sex content online.

In fact it is possible that Yahoo and Microsoft could lose a lot of traffic from the move. The word "sex" is the most searched term on the Internet in India. If they can't get it on Yahoo or Bing they will just go to Google or some other Internet search engine.

According to the Guardian, India has some conflicted double standards about sexuality. On the one hand inexplicit sexual images are everywhere, but on the other hand most Indian people are so religious that they think it is a bad thing.

India is often rocked by Internet sex scandals. The latest involved the 86-year-old governor of Andhra Pradesh, Narayan Datt Tiwari, who was filmed in bed with three young women. He quit on Sunday, citing health reasons and still denying that the man in the video was him. But he should be happy to know that people in India won't be able to find the clip on Bing or Yahoo anymore
What has rankled the diplomatic setup is the fact that this is not the first time the Army chief has done this: in the last three months, his comments have not gone down well thrice with three neighbours, including Pakistan and China.

Responding to a question on the subject of integration of PLA cadres into the Nepal Army, Kapoor was reported to have said last month that the Indian Army is apolitical and secular, and as far as the Nepalese Army is concerned, it's for the people and government of Nepal to decide.


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