Kaushal was/is still in India (I think). Feel free to send him a personal PM.
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Lord Krishanji, need the predictors - Ind-Pak series on.
I would like to know if there are any devout traditional Vaishnava Hindus here, not of the Caitanya or Gaudiya traditions, and who are familiar with vaishnava theological issues.
I am not sure until when all of this discussion <!--emo&:argue--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/argue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='argue.gif' /><!--endemo--> will continue. There are around 560 members on this forum and likewise there must be many other forums on the web trying to defend India strategically, linguistically, or otherwise. But even then if we try to search on the web as to who invented the number system the search engines would come up with the answer as ARABS (Algebra), similarly there can be numerous other examples.
The current statistics indicate the number of hindus dwindling to 74% in India, while the proportion of other communities simply keeps on rising.
The newspapers appear to have been sold out to our enemies, the only thing they can publish is anti-India.
And what can we do about it nothing, I believe the jejahdis are better off than us at least they are aware of their objective and to achieve it they even attempted to desecrate our parliament and nearly succeeded, while we developed cold feet guarding our borders in retaliation. While the likes of Laloo Yadav & Co. along with the seemingly secular Congress are destined to take our India into unretrievable depths of doom.
The intelligentsia kept on blaming the Mughals then the British and now the Govt for the then and now state of affairs of India.
I think the problem lies within us, we belong more to our subsects deamarcated either geograpohically(North Indian, South Indian etc) or religiously (Jain, Sikh etc). The chatter of being a hindu does not resonate inward or outward bound. We were not united when a handful of Mughals or British or the so called secular Govt was/is in power.
Political empowerment is the only solution for Hindus, that is what was controlled by our erstwhile masters although being in minority so is the current Govt, alas we fouled up on that opportunity too.
Though the post looks bitter on the surface, this is something I have been thinking about in the past few weeks. (or more so, since the UPA has taken power.) I can feel India being in the same chaltha-hai mode where bahu-beti theories overwhelm national security consideration.
I cant make long posts as I am strapped for time. If you can give us some ACTION ORIENTED solutions it would be nice to hear.
Arent we all strapped for time in some form or other, then who is going to save the country - likes of Laloo Prasad or Sonia Gnadhi ! the purpose of this forum itself is defeated.
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One of the solution suggested at asnother forum goes like this, (although its USAccentric)........
From: "Kalavai Venkat" <history_judge@...>
Date: Sat May 14, 2005 10:40 pm
Subject: How to fight the missionary threat? history_judge
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How to fight the missionary threat?
Here is one of my promised posts. A Hindu, when fighting the
missionary, does so from a position of [often self-inflicted]
weakness. The missionary has many advantages:
1. He is well funded.
2. India has a substantial section of the population that lives
below the poverty line. A section of this population falls easy pray
to the missionary.
3. India has a vociferous section of its intelligentsia that has
been conditioned to be sympathetic to Christianity. Usually, this
group also displays an animosity towards Hinduism in public while
comfortably adhering to the same Hindu practices in personal life
whether it is marriage or social intercourse.
4. Sections of Indian society have been doing the dirty job for
the missionaries. They denigrate Hinduism, attack Hindu mutts and
swamis and thus keep the Hindus on the defensive mode.
5. Indian constitution accords the Christians special
privileges. Their schools are funded with tax payer money and their
churches maintained with government funding.
6. Most importantly, no Hindu has done a worthwhile job of
taking the attack on Christianity to its camp.
I have often heard Hindus remark, "At least the missionaries do some
work among the poor. Let us also do it." As a matter of fact, Hindu
missions like the Ramakrishna Mission [RKM] have done phenomenal
amount of work that no missionary can match. Yet, the media
celebrates a Mother Teresa, a Vatican implant and a money launderer
in Calcutta, who did practically nothing. RKM gets no mention. Do all
seva you want but never think that it will alter public perception,
which is shaped by propaganda. The masses are certified idiots. They
can't think. They simply swallow the trendiest propaganda. So, no
matter how much work the Hindus do through RKM, Swami Jayendra
Sarasvati, Art of Living, Mata Amritananda Mayi or the Ekal Vidyalaya
they will never get any recognition from the media.
Hindus also remark, "Many convert due to caste discrimination." Any
discrimination is terrible. But the above perception is flawed. Most
converts have been tribal people that were never discriminated
against. Likewise, many of the Harijan jatis never convert. Most
crucially, caste discriminations can be handled only through
effective law enforcement, not through the antics of bleeding hearts.
Don't forget that Koreans, Filipinos and Chinese too convert in large
numbers. Which caste is discriminating against them? This brings us
back to the crucial point.
Much of the missionary funding comes from the USA. Without money,
nobody in India will convert. More importantly, the Indian pastors
that effect conversions will not have the motivation to work. The
missionaries here have no respect for other cultures, nor any respect
for any truth. The practicing Christians here often contribute 10
percent of their salary to the church through direct deposit. So, a
Hindu has a few goals to achieve:
Plug the flow of donation from the average American to his church.
For this to happen, we must force many practicing Christians to
abandon their religion. This is a long term strategy but it has to be
done. If Europeans could abandon Christianity, there is no reason why
Americans shouldn't. Practically no American school teaches the
students that Jesus is unknown to history. No Christian here thinks
that the cross is a symbol of injustice and aggression. Hindus must
initiate a systematic campaign that will bring Christianity down from
the high pedestal and force the next generation to abandon that cult.
Here is a list of what we must do:
· Review American schoolbooks that teach about Jesus. File law
suits demanding that the schools teach that Jesus is a myth, not an
historical person. Remember that Christianity is entirely dependent
on Jesus having been a historical person, the only son of god that
died for your sins and then resurrected.
· File law suits demanding that the cross be banned just like
the Nazi swastika has been. The cross and the crucifix have been the
constant reminders of an invented myth that resulted in the
persecution of Jews over 2 millennia.
· Run campaigns that will force Christians to pay attention to
you. Some time back I told a friend in private conversation that we
should create a "Christmas Quiz â How good a Christian are you?"
banner and advertise in Yahoo around Christmas. It should take the
reader to a website with 10 questions on the most fundamental myths
like Christmas, resurrection, Nazareth etc. Informed answers must be
provided. In 20 minutes, we will make the ardent Christian waver in
his faith. This will trigger discussions in church that the pastors
can't answer. One can be assured of millions of surfers and we should
be able to generate a huge profit from advertisements doing this. The
best form of aggression is the one in which the opponent foots the
bill.
· Write campaign attacking Christianity as an intolerant cult
that has no more right than the Nazi to evangelize. Usually, the
missionaries hide behind the tenet of "Freedom of expression" to
further their cult. The rest of the world has played by their rules.
It is time to challenge this: "Yes, freedom of expression is
sacrosanct but it can't be extended to criminal ideologies like
Nazism or Christianity."
If we don't make the American Christians to abandon this cult, we
can't stop the erosion of Hinduism.
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A request to admins. Is there a way to change the setting so that clicking on a link on the forum home page takes me to the last post of that topic instead of the first?
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On rightmost column it says "Last post" and under that heading you can find row of "last post by" with underline, click on "last post by" it will take you to last most post.
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