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Jan Lokpal movement
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#42
http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2011/08...alam-sahi/



With these latest revelation about Kejriwal and Kiran Bedi receiving funding from the Dutch Embassy, it is quite certain that this was an operation broadly directed at the Baba Ramdev and the nationalists. Kejriwal is a snake but Bedi is impressionable. Both have uptaken such impractical Americanisms as limits on election donations and the no vote option. The no vote option particularly is something straight out American civic classes. Also there is the report of a christian college sending their students on dharna in support of Hazare. Possibly, the Anglos are trying to ensure a mechanism to impart their agenda even when out of power in India.



A few good developments,

1. VHP mobilization

2. Gone is the delusion of Constitution or the Law intervening to save the Hindus. The Abrahamists view this purely as a "struggle" and the Constitutional guarantees are just false assurances to their targetd victims. While in the marches the dynamic of Dharma became apparent (in stark contrast to the ME and the London riots)

3. Rahul Gandhi and Nehru clan were shown as reactionary, with no youth presence.

4. anti-sonia naarebaazi and vande mataram was heard by almost all viewing
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#43
[quote name='dhu' date='02 September 2011 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1314967170' post='112697']

http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2011/08...alam-sahi/



With these latest revelation about Kejriwal and Kiran Bedi receiving funding from the Dutch Embassy, it is quite certain that this was an operation broadly directed at the Baba Ramdev and the nationalists.



I tend to disagree with the views expressed herein. All the activists viz., Arvind Kejriwal, Anna Hazare, Kiran Bedi and Baba Ramdev voiced their protests against corruption. Anna Hazare's movement was not a ploy to undermine the effects of the Ram Dev struggle. The author has probably been watching a lot of Bollywood films filled with intrigue, deception and twists!




Kejriwal is a snake but Bedi is impressionable.



If Kejriwal was indeed a snake, the country can certainly wish and do with a few more of that kind. His bio-data speaks of himself and should silence his worst critics. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvind_Kejriwal"]Arvind kejriwal[/url]



While in the marches the dynamic of Dharma became apparent (in stark contrast to the ME and the London riots)



What was common to the riots in Egypt, London and the Anti corruption movement in India - it represented the threshold of people's frustration with the regime. It is not common for people to take to streets and shout slogans in order to be heard. The democracy in India since independence and till date has been ridden with hero worship. Fortunately, India has now found its heroes from the masses. These are educated, bold and honest people of the likes of Arvind Kejriwal and Kiran Bedi. The future of India will depend on how many of these kind take important decisions concerning India's future. In an environment that is full of deceit and lies, one can only hope that the majority are able to distinguish the honest and deserving people from the rest.



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#44
Manoj ji,



There are number of angles in this movement and each is true by itself though angles in themselves may seem to contradict one another. When such is the case an all inclusivity is playing a role for sure. The authors of the movement may or may not be aware of this, may or may not like this - but they are helpless in the fact that the deeper corruption malaise and the pent up anger of the people find expression in all movements of masses cutting across various strata of people. This does not help organizers such as Anna Team who might like to exclude something such as Hindu nationalism finding a place and platform to assert in these movements or on the other hand for the Congress to stage manage it to their favour.



The fact that the Congress Party is now going after the core-members of Anna's Team after the fast has ended is clearly a defeat for the Congress and is an expression of their inability to hijack the movement in toto in their favour. The split in Anna's Team with the fake 'Swamy' Agnivesh standing exposed and Anna himself sharpening his attack on the government particularly targeting P.Chidambaram are part of clear end products of the struggle that is sharpening the contradiction and defining the opponents. In other words the tete-a-tete between Anna's Team and the government has ended!



This is what Anna Hazare's fast has achieved and I congratulated him for that. We all know there is no bill that is yet a law and the Congress is busy attacking BJP and pinning the corruption label on them in all BJP ruled states and on ex-BJP minsters while using the CBI and ED to thwart the Supreme Court's anger. The people's wrath will see through this clearly thanks to Anna Hazare's fast. It is certain that the Congress is a political dead meat and people know to wait for the Congress to come to them for vote. But if the Congress tries again its Indira tactics of emergency or the vote rigging using EVM as they did last time they will be in for a big surprise. That is the sort of revolution clearly on the cards depending on how the Congress wants to put up a fight. Apart from this the Congress is itself in disarray and on the verge of falling apart. If the SC agrees with Dr.Swamy to disqualify Sonia she would definitely not return to India. What we would then see is the jumping around of the chicken with its head cut off!



There is one other point I have to touch viz. the role of Muslims and Christians.



The concern expressed by the Mullahs were known to all of us and they stood isolated by their expression of disapproval from among the Muslim masses themselves let alone the Hindus. Here is an expression from the Christian side though it was said from outside the country as no one inside the country was prepared to bad mouth the movement.

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Momentum for Hazare’s anticorruption movement draws out opposition[/size]


http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2011/09...pposition/
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Star News Nielsen survey after Anna Hazare fast - to be telecast at 8 pm. Congress in Free Fall as BJP gains most from Anna Campaign
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#46
Muslim appeaser par excellence at it again!



[url="http://expressbuzz.com/nation/hazare-a-mask-of-rss-digvijay/311006.html"][size="4"]Hazare a mask of RSS: Digvijay[/size][/url]
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#47
[url="http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=1948"][size="5"]“He who pays the Piper calls the tune” [/size][/url]
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[quote name='Savithri' date='03 September 2011 - 01:47 PM' timestamp='1315057180' post='112706']

Manoj ji,



There are number of angles in this movement and each is true by itself though angles in themselves may seem to contradict one another. When such is the case an all inclusivity is playing a role for sure. The authors of the movement may or may not be aware of this, may or may not like this - but they are helpless in the fact that the deeper corruption malaise and the pent up anger of the people find expression in all movements of masses cutting across various strata of people. This does not help organizers such as Anna Team who might like to exclude something such as Hindu nationalism finding a place and platform to assert in these movements or on the other hand for the Congress to stage manage it to their favour.



The fact that the Congress Party is now going after the core-members of Anna's Team after the fast has ended is clearly a defeat for the Congress and is an expression of their inability to hijack the movement in toto in their favour. The split in Anna's Team with the fake 'Swamy' Agnivesh standing exposed and Anna himself sharpening his attack on the government particularly targeting P.Chidambaram are part of clear end products of the struggle that is sharpening the contradiction and defining the opponents. In other words the tete-a-tete between Anna's Team and the government has ended!



This is what Anna Hazare's fast has achieved and I congratulated him for that. We all know there is no bill that is yet a law and the Congress is busy attacking BJP and pinning the corruption label on them in all BJP ruled states and on ex-BJP minsters while using the CBI and ED to thwart the Supreme Court's anger. The people's wrath will see through this clearly thanks to Anna Hazare's fast. It is certain that the Congress is a political dead meat and people know to wait for the Congress to come to them for vote. But if the Congress tries again its Indira tactics of emergency or the vote rigging using EVM as they did last time they will be in for a big surprise. That is the sort of revolution clearly on the cards depending on how the Congress wants to put up a fight. Apart from this the Congress is itself in disarray and on the verge of falling apart. If the SC agrees with Dr.Swamy to disqualify Sonia she would definitely not return to India. What we would then see is the jumping around of the chicken with its head cut off!



There is one other point I have to touch viz. the role of Muslims and Christians.



The concern expressed by the Mullahs were known to all of us and they stood isolated by their expression of disapproval from among the Muslim masses themselves let alone the Hindus. Here is an expression from the Christian side though it was said from outside the country as no one inside the country was prepared to bad mouth the movement.

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Momentum for Hazare’s anticorruption movement draws out opposition[/size]


http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2011/09...pposition/

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[quote name='Savithri' date='06 September 2011 - 12:58 AM' timestamp='1315270218' post='112738']

Muslim appeaser par excellence at it again!



[url="http://expressbuzz.com/nation/hazare-a-mask-of-rss-digvijay/311006.html"][size="4"]Hazare a mask of RSS: Digvijay[/size][/url]

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[quote name='Savithri' date='06 September 2011 - 01:59 AM' timestamp='1315273882' post='112739']

[url="http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=1948"][size="5"]“He who pays the Piper calls the tune” [/size][/url]

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I commend Savithri ji for regular postings on views held by various interests. My own view is that certain scepticism on the movement is bound to prevail in the minds of many individuals given the political/social environment that we live in. We will doubt everything and everybody unless proven wrong, as experience has taught us otherwise. While one group claims that this is primarily a RSS movement the minorities say they were not represented in numbers. I think these are all shoddy attempts to dilute or smear a well-intentioned and purposeful campaign.
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[size="3"][font="Arial"][size="2"][quote name='Capt Manoj Singh' date='06 September 2011 - 03:21 PM' timestamp='1315302229' post='112740']

I commend Savithri ji for regular postings on views held by various interests. My own view is that certain scepticism on the movement is bound to prevail in the minds of many individuals given the political/social environment that we live in. We will doubt everything and everybody unless proven wrong, as experience has taught us otherwise. While one group claims that this is primarily a RSS movement the minorities say they were not represented in numbers. I think these are all shoddy attempts to dilute or smear a well-intentioned and purposeful campaign.

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The Western elites have not only honed the Empire's strategy of divide-and-rule to a fine art, but have also expanded and extended it to infiltrate the body politic of most nations.



You must be familiar with the concept of the "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot"]Useful idiot[/url]".

Such people
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...are seen to unwittingly support a malignant cause through their 'naive' attempts to be a force for good. ...



... A similar term, "useful innocents", is used in Austrian-American Economist Ludwig von Mises "Planned Chaos".

Von Mises claims the term was used by communists for liberals that Von Mises describes as "confused and misguided sympathizers". ...
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Funding by Western elite fronts does raise disturbing questions. "Shoddy" is hardly a word I would attach to such skepticism.



The upshot of the movement is the rise in political consciousness of the current generation. The principle of the movement deserves extreme credit, but we should not overlook the possibility of machinations by puppet masters.

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#50
[url="http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/congress-and-its-tv-tigers/"]congress-and-its-tv-tigers[/url]
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#51
The Americans infiltrated into countries that were much less inimical to them. In all these countries the yankees had incited the masses from within to first create chaos and to then plant an extremely pliable governments in those countries. They are doing this trick in India for quite some time now. Indira Gandhi clan had been and are the paid agents of CIA.



Their infiltrations were nipped in the bud in all the second world countries (Sino-Soviet block).



Actually in DUE COURSE India will have to confront the Americans (as it happened in Iran and later in Iraq) but strangely the Chinese will be our allies!
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#52
bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/team-annas-funds-and-funders-krishen-kak/

Team Anna’s funds and funders: An analysis – Krishen Kak



Excerpt at top:

Quote:[color="#0000FF"]“Is it coincidence that, for example, so much money has been given to the Kejriwala NGOs when the Kejriwalas are openly and rabidly anti-democratic? Is it coincidence that the Ford Foundation’s own country, for all its pro-democracy propaganda, has a history of propping up dictators all over the world? Has the Ford Foundation no agenda behind the money it doles out? It has given millions of rupees to Kejriwala NGOs. Do you seriously believe it expects nothing in return from them?” – Krishen Kak[/color]



Most of the article is about the above.





But there's also this bit closer to the end:

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  • For all his many, much-touted virtues, Anna Hazare (and Team Anna) had little time and compassion for those who took the threatened fast-unto-death seriously. In village Janapanka, Patna, a young and emotional Arun Das died fasting on 24 August. Team Anna expressed no regret. He hailed from Kamira village, district Boudh, Odisha. Worse, as youthful enthusiasts following the Anna fast noted, no formal notice was taken of his death and the report quickly vanished from the IAC update, though the IAC page on Facebook and @Janlokpal on Twitter had both announced the death.



    Arun Das was actually a follower of Baba Ramdev, and it was the Yoga Guru who first announced his death from Ramlila Maidan. Baba’s organisation also made a formal announcement. IAC followed on Facebook and Twitter, and then lapsed into inexplicable silence.



    See www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=1943.



    See aamjanata.com/arun-das-dies-at-janapanka-village-while-fasting-for-jan-lokpal/.



  • A similar amnesia occurred in the case of Dinesh Yadav who, shouting pro-Hazare slogans, burnt himself alive at Kisan Ghat, Delhi – in.news.yahoo.com/disbelief-praise-fear-dinesh-yadavs-village-120413198.html.



    He was survived by his wife and five children.

    [color="#800080"](OH BRILLIANT!! Families are so overrated anyway, why not leave them orphaned and widowed and miserable for something as worthwhile as .... as "Team Anna". They're *so* reliable after all.

    And check out the other miracle: Ford Foundation etc sends money for stoking a revolution in India, yet without even paying extra, they get Hindus voluntarily offing themselves into the bargain.

    It's the mass delusion of the Gandhi mentality. Others were right all along - and I was entirely wrong (this was long ago, and I have seen sense for some time since): Gandhi should be completely exposed. Indians have become so infatuated with that dangerous man and his worthless methods that - rather than emulate Shivaji, which is who Hindus *should* emulate (him and Julian, but I think that last is wishing for the moon) - they will emulate the King of the Lemming Ideology: Gandhianism.

    And these people actually imagine that they benefit their population/nation with their worthless deaths - that's what beats me.)[/color]



    Team Anna expressed no regret. Team Anna, for all its foreign resources, is not known to have offered any support to the families of Arun Das and Dinesh Yadav.



  • Contrast this with the case of Rajbala Malik, a victim of police brutality at Ramlila Maidan in the wee hours of June 4, 2011. As soon as his externment order from Delhi ended, Baba Ramdev visited Rajbala in hospital and offered all assistance by his Delhi Mahila Patanjali Yoga Samiti. “All medical expenses of Rajbala and other people injured during police action at Ramila Maidan will be borne by the Patanjali,” said Ramdev – expressbuzz.com/topnews/pm-politically-dishonest-baba-ramdev/281995.html .
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#53
[quote name='Savithri' date='07 September 2011 - 06:03 PM' timestamp='1315398356' post='112757']

The Americans infiltrated into countries that were much less inimical to them. In all these countries the yankees had incited the masses from within to first create chaos and to then plant an extremely pliable governments in those countries. They are doing this trick in India for quite some time now. Indira Gandhi clan had been and are the paid agents of CIA.



Their infiltrations were nipped in the bud in all the second world countries (Sino-Soviet block).



Actually in DUE COURSE India will have to confront the Americans (as it happened in Iran and later in Iraq) but strangely the Chinese will be our allies!

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Just like RG (but minus his lack of sincerity), let me also "elevate" the level of debate.<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' />



In my understanding, there is a group of global elites who have no national affiliations, but view the entire world as a potential fiefdom -- a global zamindari jagir, if you will -- to be eventually brought under control. The uber-cool labeling for this fiefdom is the NWO.



Now where do the Yanks come in? Think of this world's economic progress as a train in a Western Movie, with the US as the engine and the other countries as the various bogies of various levels of importance -- a crude analogy, but serves the purpose. Bandits seeking to control and capture the train would first try to seize control of the engine. Once that is achieved, they are in charge.



The Yankee muscles -- the military-industrial complex, the Fed-Wall Street nexus, the intelligence agencies, technology and research dominance etc. -- are being used to infiltrate and subvert the nations of the world in ways which, apart from enriching the bandits through overt and covert financial coup d'etats, are increasing the control over other countries.



Meanwhile, according to Anthony Sutton, the Bolshevik revolution and the rise of Hitler were financed by Wall Street. There are not only wheels within wheels, but also wheels around wheels!!<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' />



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Quote:[quote name='sumishi' date='07 September 2011 - 08:49 PM' timestamp='1315408313' post='112760']





"Meanwhile, according to Anthony Sutton, the Bolshevik revolution and the rise of Hitler were financed by Wall Street."



Actually Gary Allen before him said it more succinctly commenting on the Russian Revolution was also fuelled with British money: "If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.



Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."



He wrote other books about the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission, claiming that the term "New World Order" was used by a secretive elite dedicated to the destruction of all national sovereignties.
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[quote name='Savithri' date='08 September 2011 - 12:15 AM' timestamp='1315420675' post='112765']

Actually Gary Allen before him said it more succinctly commenting on the Russian Revolution was also fuelled with British money: "If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.



Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."



He wrote other books about the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission, claiming that the term "New World Order" was used by a secretive elite dedicated to the destruction of all national sovereignties.

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Right on the mark! And so now all the more reason why to autopsy the Anna movement and determine how much influenced was it in tune with the long term strategems of the KNew World Odour. In the last one-two years, lots of turmoil have sprouted around the world. Does the Anna movement form part of a global execution of the strategy of creating "order out of chaos?"



And lest some get offended, let me be clear that I am not seeking to denigrate the honest efforts of the (probable) "useful innocents/idiots", since the principle on which the movement is based is very authentic and relevant.[/size]
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#56
W.Cleon Skousen wrote in his book 'The Naked Capitalist'.



"Power from any source tends to create an appetite for additional power... It was almost inevitable that the super-rich would one day aspire to control not only their own wealth, but the wealth of the whole world.



To achieve this, they were perfectly willing to feed the ambitions of the power-hungry political conspirators who were committed to the overthrow of all existing governments and the establishments of a central world-wide dictatorship."



Extreme revolutionary groups were controlled by being financed when they complied and cut off, with money sometimes being given to their opposition, when they didn't.
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#57
[size="4"]An example on how the Americans ruin other countries...[/size]



[url="http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=1952"][color="#FF0000"][size="4"]Innards of the United States: Susan Lindauer and the Secret Government - I [/size][/color][/url]
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[size="3"][url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Congress-MP-withdraws-privilege-notice-against-Annas-aides/articleshow/9904549.cms"]Congress MP withdraws privilege notice against Anna's aides [/url]: TOI - 08/09/2011



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Quote:NEW DELHI: Congress MP Pravin Aron withdrew his privilege notice against associates of Anna Hazare, saying they were using serious parliamentary activity to gain cheap publicity.[/size]



[size="3"]Aron wrote to Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar that he was withdrawing his notice seeking action against Arvind Kejriwal, Kiran Bedi, Prashant Bhushan, Shanti Bhushan and Om Puri. He said instead of seeking action on privilege front, he would try to expose their "real face" through democratic means.[/size]



[size="3"]The privilege notices were served against Anna's associates for comments they made during the Gandhian's protest fast at the Ramlila Maidan.[/size]



[size="3"]The decision to withdraw the motion is in sync with reservations in certain sections of the ruling camp about hauling up civil society activists for breach of privilege. It is felt the notice to Anna's aides gave an impression of vendetta and would fuel more anger against the government. [Image: icon_mrgreen.gif] Congress managers have thus been keen that there should not be any hasty action against Anna's aides.[/size]



[size="3"]Even Aron said he would try to persuade other MPs for withdrawing notices. Ten MPs across partylines had moved privilege motion in the Lok Sabha.[/size]



[size="3"]In his letter, the Bareilly MP said while Om Puri had tendered a public apology for his statements, Kiran Bedi was using the pretext of "public perception" to hurl more defamatory charges against Parliament.
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[url="http://himalmag.com/component/content/article/4652-anna-hazare-corruption-and-the-middle-class.html"]Anna Hazare, corruption and the middle-class[/url]
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