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Heroes

Thu, 02 Jun 2016 14:35:29 +0000

1. twitter.com/bhaiyyajispeaks/status/730615139297202176

Quote:Narendra ji, man who diffused 256 bombs all alone & saved thousands of life died in a grenade blast yest. #JaiHind

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9:26 PM - 11 May 2016

Bhaiyyaji Ã¢â¬Â@bhaiyyajispeaks May 11

Shree Narendra Chaudhary use to walk over 50 kms without water & food, never in his career got ill, They use to call him "Steel Man".

2. twitter.com/amitrajwant/status/733721351073173504

Quote:Swayamsevak pramod 1st victim of next five years of Leftist Terror in Kerala. @RSSorg

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Leaking salt water again.

When will we avenge these people.

Inflitrators (aliens) sabotaging jetsetting Indian cults

Wed, 21 Jan 2015 03:42:45 +0000

(Actual example cases will appear in the next posts.)

This thread is on how aliens (infiltrators) always sabotage any jetsetting Indian cult that becomes prominent/popular or even just a part of alien scenery.

E.g. ISKCON which was - and will be again - marred by child sex abuse scandals, Sai Baba had way too many alien "followes and the same thing happened there. Then there was Nityananda, also exposed by alien and native women for alleged sexual misconduct too.

I don't care if these people/orgs are allegedly innocent and if it was false allegations or cryptochristo infiltrators that have tarred them.

My point is that these "charismatic" "swamis" or organisations are actually a threat to real Hindoo religion and Hindoo society because they invite aliens to come terrorise Hindoodom. The same problem seen in anti-Hindu govts allowing "certificates of conversion to Hinduism" to *alien* converts, so that these can invade Hindoo temples and sacred sites in the Hindoo homeland. Who invited aliens? Not traditional Hindoo society. Only jetsetting Indian cults/Indian cults conceitedly seeking western conversion=approval=admiration.

So whether the allegations of misconduct and foul play against the various cults "movements" be true or not, the ill-fame is all actually good for Hindoos and their Hindoo religion, because traditional Hindoos never wanted aliens to "convert" or "dabble" and are Not grateful to jetsetting cults inviting western people and thereby facilitating alien dabbling.

For now, Indians - unable to wake up to the threat - only speak about international Indian cults not "vetting" aliens properly etc. That is, the "error" is apparently in not choosing quality aliens but blindly accepting any and all. In reality, lots of aliens who are made "swamis" and given high rank and position tend to be the greatest infiltratis of all: inculturationists, subversionists, you name it.

But like native Americans, Hindus may realise the scale and extent of the real threat too late, but even Hindus may in time realise it.

So that eventually:

+ Hindus *will* realise that all alien-dabbling=aliens=bad, without nonsensically trying to differentiate between "good aliens (good alien dabbling)" and "bad aliens (bad alien dabbling)". Because neither belong in Hindoos' ancestral heathenism.

+ Hindus *will* one day - too late, of course - come to the very same conclusions as the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota native N Americans who issued their declaration of war to all alien-dabblers and the native traitors facilitating both alien dabbling and the conversion of their heathenism into new-ageisms. At present Malhotra is only objecting to aliens' dismantling and usurping of Indian religions, eventually even he may twig that dabbling by aliens=unheathens are universally the problem, and that all Indian attempts to universalise Hindu religion (to use my own words) is the other half of that problem.

Hindus too will issue a Declaration of War on that day - the realisation itself an indicator that it is all too late and the damage is beyond reparable at that point - banning all alien dabbling (including "converts" etc) and invasion of temples, and banning "Hindu" charlatans inviting aliens to dabble and selling "Hinduism Lite" under various new-age labels to alien climes.

puffin.creighton.edu/lakota/war.html
thepeoplespaths.net/articles/warlakot.htm

+ aliens will cease to "join up" in jetsetting Indian cults, or to learn aspects of Hindoo religion from Hindoos, becoming more set against Hindoo religion as an "evil" (though they will still dabble in Pure Vedicism and other rebranded alien variants unashamedly poached from Hindoo religion) and so aliens will cease to terrorise Hindoos in the homeland. It will take much longer for aliens to grow so tired and bored with all things Hindooism - whether under that name or others like "Pure Vedicism" - that they stop dabbling altogether. But by that time, no doubt the alien vampires will have started to en-masse suck the life out of Taoism etc next, although beginnings to this end have already been made by many alien dabblers, though not the majority. And Taoism will be subjected to the levels of oryanist dabbling seen in Hindoo religion, when Victor Mair et al have had some more decades to brainwash the world into believing that Taoism's origins are derived from some oryan religion. Then the alien's sense of entitlement to all things oryan will take over and they will - in larger numbers than are at it now - do to Chinese religion what they have been doing to Hindoo religion. <- This is actually in large part Hindus' fault. Perhaps Hindus are paying for it in advance? Time will tell. The irony of course is that traditional Taoists have always taken cares to keep their religion entirely private from prying envious alien eyes and prohibit dabbling still. Nevertheless, Hindus having encouraged aliens' self-entitlement complex, will have fed the alien frenzy for dabbling and grown their self-entitlement so much more that aliens will just leap into Taoism without even waiting for jetsetting cults to issue invitations.

All sincere western people (i.e. of the christoconditioned world) would be returning to their own ancestral religion=Gods, never dabbling in others' ancestral heathenisms, and there's no two ways about this. As argument: How would Hindoos react if a Hindu said they were converting out to Hellenismos (or Taoism)? I mean, both are like the regional/ethnic equivalents of the Indian variant of heathenism, Hindoo religion. So why would any Hindoo convert to Taoism or Hellenismos. *Likewise* it makes no sense for western people to convert to Hindoo religion, when their own ancestral heathenisms exist, and most importantly because their ancestral Gods cannot die and live forever and therefore yet exist, and so they can very definitely regain their ancestral heathenism (with some effort) if they but sincerely pursued their ancestral Gods.

But aliens don't because they are either new-agey of mind and want to dabble or because they are christian of mentality and want to infiltrate Hindoo religion and Indian cults and scuttle these.

A lot of posts that belong equally in this thread - such as those arguing against alien dabbling, and examples of alien dabbling that none but morons among "Hindu" Indians would welcome - have already been posted in other IF threads. Some newer examples follow.

The actual War Declaration of the Lakota/Nakota/Dakota:

puffin.creighton.edu/lakota/war.html

And here are the considerations and arguments that gave rise to their Declaration of War:

thepeoplespaths.net/articles/warlakot.htm

Quote:Article On The

"Lakota Declaration of War"

By Valerie Taliman

Copyright ÃÂ© 1993 Taliman

All Rights Reserved

This article is from the twice monthly newspaper, News From Indian Country, 1993. As published by Indian Country Communications, Inc. with offices at Rt.2 Box 2900A, Hayward, WI 54843.

It also appeared in The Circle, 1530 E. Franklin Ave., Minneapolis, MN 55404 (612) 871-4555. Subscription - $15/yr; $25 2 yrs. Voted BEST NATIVE AMERICAN MONTHLY NEWSPAPER - 1991, 1993 by the Native American Journalists Association.

While Native Nations continue the flight for religious freedom rights, "New Age" hucksters and other exploiters of Indian spirituality run rampant throughout the country, forcing Native people to take a stand against the desecration of their spiritual ways.

As more people turn away from conventional religions and seek spiritual solace in alternative beliefs such as the New Age movement, increasing numbers of Euroamericans "wannabe" Indians when it comes to spirituality. But in their quest to learn and practice Indian ways, non-Indians have often abused sacred ceremonies and ceremonial objects suck as pipes and medicine bundles. And that abuse of the sacred, say many medicine people, is causing turmoil in Native societies prompting some spiritual leaders to speak out against further desecration of ceremonial ways.

At the Lakota Summit V, an international gathering of US and Canadian Lakota, Dakota and Nakota nations, about 500 representatives from 40 different tribes and bands of the Lakota unanimously passed a "Declaration of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality." The summit was held June 7 to 11, 1993.

The Declaration of War is intended for those who "persist in exploiting, abusing and misrepresenting the sacred traditions and spiritual practices of the Lakota people." The declaration denounces individuals involved in the New Age movement, shamanism, cultists, neopaganists and the men's movement who promote "intolerable and obscene imitations of sacred Lakota rites."

"For too long we have suffered the unspeakable indignity of having our most precious Lakota ceremonies and spiritual practices desecrated, mocked and abused by non-Indian wannabes, hucksters, cultists, and self-styled New Age shamans and their followers," the Declaration of War reads.

"The absurd public posturing of this scandalous assortment of pseudo-Indian charlatans, wannabes, commercial profiteers and cultists comprise a momentous obstacle in the struggle of traditional Lakota people for adequate public appraisal of the legitimate political, legal and spiritual needs of real Lakota people."

Wilmer Mesteth, a traditional spiritual leader and Lakota culture instructor at Oglala Lakota College, told the summit participants that he was aware that sacred ceremonies were being imitated and even sold by non-Indians as well as certain Indian people.

"We have to put a stop to it," Mesteth said. "We are the ones who were given these ceremonies so that the people would remain together and strong. We were told to take care of these ceremonies so that our children and their children would have future.

"For a long time we have stood by and watched this abuse going on and we see how it is affecting the people. Nut now its time to take a stand to defend our people and our ways."

Mesteth, along with Darrell Standing Elk and Phyllis Swift Hawk, was one of the principal authors of the Declaration of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality, which urges Lakota people to prevent "our own people from contributing to and enabling the abuse of our sacred ceremonies by outsiders and certain ones among our people who are prostituting our spiritual ways for their own selfish gain, with no regard for the spiritual well being of the people as a whole."

It also urges people to identify instances where sacred tradition are being abused and to work toward stopping the abuse through demonstrations, boycotts, press coverage and direct intervention.

With many other spiritual leaders present and in support of the document, Mesteth told the crowd, "Sacred traditions like our Lakota Pipe ceremony, vision quests, sweatlodge ceremonies and the sundance were given to us by our Creator and have enabled Indian people to survive a 500 year holocaust," he said. "Those sacred tradition are precious to us and can't allow them to be desecrated and abused."

One hot spot that has attracted the ire of Lakota spiritual leaders is California's Bay Area, where street vendors on Telegraph Avenue routinely sell drug paraphernalia made from sacred pipestone.

New Agers in the elite section of San Francisco hold their weekly "sweat ceremonies" with rocks heated in propane barbecue pits and living room fireplaces. Many charge admission for imitation sweat lodge ceremonies, vision quests and puberty ceremonies for young women that are performed by self proclaimed "shamans."

Lakota songs and prayers are often used as are rituals from many other tribes and mixed with non-Indian occult practices. Many medicine people say that these groups are creating a hodgepodge of harmful and offensive imitation ceremonies that exploit and abuse spiritual traditions of the Lakota and other tribes.

To meet the growing demand for Native spiritual knowledge, Bay Area universities and institutions have responded to the growing demand for Native spiritual knowledge by offering classes that purport to teach the particulars of vision quests, sundances, shamanism and the "Good Red Road" way of life.

(Comparable to the various western-self-appointed wannabes and dabblers who set themselves up to teach yoguh and tantra and "shaivam" - see a book by an anti-Hindu (from Oxford uni IIIRC) reviewed by Koenraad Elst at koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2013/06/tantra-for-practitioner.html and the book's dabbling author has profusely spammed the comments section - and the 'vedas' and 'mantras' in general. And how western universities have anti-Hindu aliens to "teach" "Hinduism" by deliberately distorting it in the worst possible ways. It's what the west has always done.

The west - esp. its universities - "teaching" native American religion/spirituality in order to cheapen it and make it new-age is also *deliberate* genocide by the way. Ex-christian AmeriKKKans went through a phase of wanting to dabble in native American religion and AmeriKKKan christians/academe quickly noticed the "threat" to their "christian civilisation" of so many people dabbling in native American religion that they invested heavily in subverting native American religion in order to put a stop to it and to kill native Americans some more.

That is exactly what is happening now with Hindoo religion too.)

As the epidemic of exploitation and expropriation of Indian spirituality continues to spread, more Native people are taking direct action to put a stop to the "spiritual genocide" being committed by those who imitate Lakota ceremonies.

John LaVelle, a Santee Dakota living in the Bay Area, recently was shoved and pushed into the street for confronting a Berkeley street vendor who regularly sells pipestone carved into marijuana pipes. Police responded to the scuffle and assault charges were subsequently filed against the vendors.

LaVelle's actions are part of the ongoing efforts of the center for the SPIRIT (Support and Protection of Indian Religions and Indigenous Traditions), a San Francisco-based organization of Indian people committed to halting the exploitation of Native ceremonies. The Center in dedicated to protecting Indian spiritual practices and traditions and is working to raise public awareness on American Indian religious freedom issues.

Darrell Standing Elk, a Sicangu Lakota and long-time traditional Lakota counselor who serves as board president of the Center, said the situation in the Bay Area reached a point where he and other Native people felt that something had to be done.

The Center for the Spirit has made a practice of confronting and refuting books, literature and seminars promoted by self-proclaimed "medicine people" such as Lynn Andrews, a Beverly Hills housewife-turned-shaman. Andrews has written several best-sellers on her journey to becoming a "medicine woman" under the tutelage of a Canadian Indian elder and conducts expensive, and very popular, seminars on shamanism.

At this year's Whole Life Expo, a conference of "New Age thought" held in Los Angeles in March, Center staff and members of the local American Indian Movement confronted Andrews and tried to convince her to admit that what she was writing about was fantasy, not Indian spirituality. Andrews is reportedly considering the proposal but has not officially responded as she is negotiating a movie deal, according to Patti Jo King, a publicist for the Center.

(Can compare with Penguin publishers' unPerumal unMurugan's fantasy-derived libel against Hindoo communities in Tiruchengode.

Also like anti-Hindu Donigers' and new-agey aliens' nonsense about Hindu religion should all be made to admit they are indulging in fantasy.

And the "pure vedicism" nonsense meant to replace Hindus with aliens, i.e. to dislodge Hindoos from Hindoo religion.)

As Native Nations lobby Congress and work toward strengthening the Native American Free Exercise of Religion Act (NAFER), Standing Elk noted that it is imperative that supporters address the exploitation of Indian spirituality. "We are in danger of having our sacred spiritual ways stolen from us - the key to our survival," he said. "We must raise a united voice of protest against those who steal our spiritual traditions and tell them 'You cannot have them, not today, not tomorrow, NEVER.'"

:applause:

Exactly. Hindus need to *learn* from these people who - unlike modern Hindus - tend to have the sense to at least learn from their experience of the behaviour and character of aliens.

So ok, admittedly modern Hindus are nowhere near as clever as native Americans - seen in how the more English that modern "Hindus" can speak, the more desperate they are for foreign converts and defending alien dabbling. But you know, once in a while, even modern Hindus should stop being conceited and try to learn from other similar heathen populations' experiences instead of re-inventing the wheel.

Hindus should likewise pull the rug from underneath aliens' feet and declare - as is the truth - that there are no aliens who have ever been genuinely "initiated" into anything Hindoo.

Nothing but subversion and death of heathenism comes from aliens. They are spiritual "vampires" who like to suck the life out of heathenisms. It's all they can do. Because they are aliens. (If they weren't alien=unheathens, they'd be practising their own ancestral heathenism instead of terrorising that of others.)

Do u know about pigment printing?

Sat, 31 May 2014 11:20:52 +0000

A pigment is a mixture of dye and an opacifying agent, such as white oxide powders. Advantage of pigment printing is flexibility to apply on natural and synthetic fibers. Pigment colors are more popular because the process is simple, new vibrant color combinations are evolved with the mixing of two or three colours. Pigments are used in block printing process of various fabrics like pure cotton, pure silk, chiffon, crepe, georgette and supernet. Pigment printed sarees are highly fashionable and in demand today.

Pigment printing is the affixing of coloured designs using pigment colorants onto various fabrics, through block printing. It is comparatively much easier than the elaborate process of dye printing. A pigment is a material or substance that tends to reflect or scatter some or most wavelengths of the light incident on it. The resulting reflected light is perceived by the human eye as a colour. A fine example is ultramarine that absorbs most colours and reflects only the blue colour that we see.

Pigments generally exist as powders of the colorants meant to colour other materials. A binder or vehicle has to accompany it before applying. A vehicle is a colour less neutral substance in which the pigment is suspended. The essential difference between a dye and a pigment is that a dye dissolves in the vehicle while the pigment is insoluble and remains suspended in it.

College course and text on Hinduism

Sun, 16 Mar 2014 14:10:07 +0000

Serious topic (as are all here).

"We" find ourselves usually "on the back foot" reacting to atrocious attacks on our culture, beliefs, and everything else, by increasingly sophisticated and malicious entities. Nowadays there are enough lakhs of cretins rushing to put in "disclaimers" that they are themselves "non-denominational", "atheist", "secular", etc just to avoid saying "I was born a Hindu, I believe in Hinduism, and I know why I believe in it".

OK, this is a losing strategy unless one can educate the upcoming generations clearly and in terms that they can understand and accept, yet are completely consistent with the lasting wisdom of Sanatana Dharma and the Vedas and Puranas. The purpose of this thread is to pick your minds and steal your ideas without any apology, to construct

a) a brief textbook

b ) a 3-credit, senior undergrad/ first year grad level textbook, suitable for ALL disciplines in college, be it astrophysics or anthrolopgy.

c) a MOOC version of the course (implying much focus on streamlining, show, etc and wide dissemination).

*******************

Question 1: Course structure. Please list the topics that you would propose for a 3-credit semester course. This means typically notes that can be delivered at a leisurely pace with some discussion in 50 minutes times 3 times 14 weeks = 2100 minutes = 35 hours of lecture notes.

Please keep it brief. The detailed bloodletting can be done elsewhere, but brief points in defense/opposition to specific items and structure are always welcome.

Question 2: Textbook: A course like that must have ONE core textbook. It need not pack ALL details, and should have an extensive list of references (the toughest job!) But it has to have a structure, a flow, and enough meaninfgul, well-researched content to be a useful and reliable reference, and and an excellent guide. So what should be the list of chapter headings of this book?

Question 3: What are the Absolutely Tops references on Hinduism/ SD whatever u call it?

Thanks

The tactics used by America to destroy (East) Asian society

Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:33:41 +0000

(Like the Media on Yugoslavia thread, this thread has little or nothing to do with India.)

Instead:

- It's a thread on how America (and eventually the rest of the west) operates to deconstruct (E) Asian Americans - not necessarily all heathens at all - and even how these things get exported back to their homelands too.

- The reason for the thread is because I think there is a lot to be learnt by Hindus from this: you can see America's Standard Operating Procedure against another population of migrants.

- The persistence of colonialism among Asians and how it is hurting them. And how very deliberate this is.

- How general western* colonialism continues to exist.

[* "West" used to implicitly mean christo/christoconditioned west. Not the ancient heathen west or the current heathens there obviously.]

Some articles were already linked elsewhere, but the bigger picture is quite... a revelation. There are similarities (compare what they face with "South Asian" Studies), there are differences too, and there seem to be foreshadowings of what the west may try/hope to pull on Hindus, even on Hindu society back home via the usual local minions.

Perhaps the most important reason I'm posting this is that I wish Hindu women and not just men - especially those in Bharatam - would somehow learn about these things. I really think they need to know about these things in order to help others as well as become immune to the constantly ascending scale of social engineering.

I want to say in advance that I'm not trying to anthropologise on others (and it goes without saying that I care about E Asians and other populations). I don't mean to "study" their difficulties. Or look at them as some third party alien observer who can't comprehend let alone sympathise. Nor make them into some "lesson" for Hindus. (If anything, I think Hindus are a lesson to other heathens of How Not To Go Down.)

I just want Hindus to see how others besides ourselves are being hurt - by deliberate policies - and the kind of tsunamies the west chooses to create in non-western communities and societies that just want to be. But they don't let them be, of course. Though I really had no idea of the scale of certain matters, that they were this bad. The psy-ops against Asian males is crazy, and that against Asian females is differently so. There are and were lots of articles at the ModelMinority site giving a summary and explaining the essence. A couple of which are here and I hope to repost a few later on, though it's better if people already knew about this things.

The intention is to post a link or excerpt or even full article every now and again.

Some important abbreviations they use:

AF = Asian Female (also as AAF Asian American Female)

AM = Asian Male (also as AAM Asian American Male)

WM = "White" Male (hence WF = "White" Female). I tend to read W for western instead.

IR = the dead serious topic of discussion of Interracial relationships among Asian Americans,

especially the Interracial relationship disparity in Asian American society, where Asian Female/White Male (AF/WM) occurs at an unnatural rate.

[Other terms like "Kingstonians" tend to get explained as one reads through their materials. But let's just say E Asian Americans have to deal with their Romila Tapars and Wendy Donigers.

But I suppose at least they're lucky they don't have that plague affecting India - the AIT/PIE - and can therefore fight as Asians for their own interests, instead of getting consumed by IE into thinking they're oryanits. But where that's concerned, it's too late for Indians. And I'm sure it will only get worse.]

Indian Nationalist View on Mixed Southasians/Europeans

Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:31:53 +0000

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Low performing Indian schools

Sun, 11 Mar 2012 05:53:23 +0000

This thread will discuss the educational performance of Indian schools - excluding those for

middle-class to upper-middle class

This is what shows up in PISA type results

High performing Indian schools

Sun, 04 Mar 2012 03:49:04 +0000

My first source will be the Hindu schools showing up in C-Fore and other lists

I will not discuss convents, since I believe that those sending kids to convents are

deracinated psecs

Indian muslim students in Kafir schools

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:54:33 +0000

This topic shall look at how kafir schools suffer from admitting riotous muslim students

Implications of RTE act

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 02:52:32 +0000

The UPA passed RTE right to education act

This will destroy education in India

Private schools have to meet standards within 3 years

Public schools have waiver

Private schools have to pay public school wages,

Private schools have to admit 25% from weaker section - this is not well defined

Private schools cant have admission tests

African - Dravidian psyops

Sat, 04 Feb 2012 05:52:47 +0000

We shall start discussing this false theory put out by dumb Africans who want to raise themselves by tagging onto Indians, esp South Indians

Removing the Sheen from Zoroastrianism

Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:56:31 +0000

In the "Removing the Sheen from Judaism" thread, we blamed Judaism for all of our problems, since it was the original Abrahamic religion. Maybe we were wrong, and our problems actually come from Zoroastrianism.

It is well-known that the Jews adopted concepts from Zoroastrianism when Cyrus the Great liberated them from the Babylonian captivity. Before the captivity, Yahweh was merely a tribal god who came to the rescue whenever the Jews got in trouble. After the captivity, Yahweh became more universal. Before the captivity, Satan was merely an angel who tempted men to disobey Yahweh's laws. After the captivity, Satan became an all-encompassing force of evil.

There is some evidence that the enemies of the Vedic Aryans were Persians. From [url="http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv07006.htm"]Book 7, Hymn 6[/url] of the Rig Veda:

Quote:3 The foolish, faithless, rudely-speaking niggards, without belief or sacrifice or worship,Ã¢â¬â

Far far sway hath Agni chased those Dasytis, and, in the cast, hath turned the godless westward.

The term "Dasa" corresponds with "Daha(e)", the name of a Persian tribe.

According to [url="http://voiceofdharma.org/books/rig/ch6.htm"]Talagheri's analysis of the Vedas[/url], the Dasas belonged to the Bhrigu clan and rejected the worship of the Vedic gods:

Quote:The characteristic feature which sets the BhRgus apart is Ã¢â¬Åopen hostility to the gods themselvesÃ¢â¬Â¦ One of the greatest of the BhRgus is everywhere said to have served as the priest and chaplain of the asuras, the demon enemies of heaven and of order (dharma).Ã¢â¬Â

During the Raj, the British favored the Parsis over the natives when doing business.

Recently, I came across a website called [url="http://parsikhabar.net/"]Parsi Khabar[/url] where they post anti-India/anti-Hindu articles.

Bhartenduh-ji's TEDtalk at TEDxCalcutta

Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:27:41 +0000

Sarvesh Tiwari-ji's TED talk delivered in 2010 at TEDxCalcutta pertaining to India's amnesia wrt it's past.

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Indian Vedic Astrology

Mon, 26 Sep 2011 06:01:13 +0000

Ã¢â¬ÅVedicÃ¢â¬Â, comes from the word Ã¢â¬ÅVedaÃ¢â¬Â in Sanskrit, which means knowledge.Vedic Astrology system that originated in ancient India.Vedic astrology deals with astral light patterns that are thought to determine our destiny. People in western countries have recently become interested in Vedic astrology and Vedic astrology readings because it's becoming known as a very effective tool in giving clarity to resolving the dilemmas of life.

Iskcon and Gaudya Math

Mon, 05 Sep 2011 00:10:10 +0000

http://spirituality.forumup.de/viewforum...91ef2c27d5

http://spirituality.forumup.de/viewforum...91ef2c27d5

Is Hare Krsna Iskcon a hindu religion or was Prabhupad influenced by years spent in catholic school to form a misionary religion ,similar whit christianity?

LetÃ¢â¬â¢s look more carefully at what Ã¢â¬ÅPrabhupada" said in the

Room conversation February 14 1977, Sri Dhama Mayapura

SatsvarÃÂ¼pa: Lord Caitanya, when Ramananda Raya brought this up (That the perfection of life can be achieved by following Varna-ashrama dharma) He said it was not possible in this age to introduce this.

PrabhupÃÂ¤da: Ã¢â¬ÅYes. Not... He did not say possible. IhÃÂ¤ bÃÂ¤hyaÃ¢â¬Â

(He said that it is external- iha bahya, meaning that it has nothing to do with the true nature of the soul Ã¢â¬â divine love for Krishna) Caitanya Mahaprabhu was interested only on the spiritual platform. He had no idea of material side. He rejected material side.Ã¢â¬Â

SatsvarÃÂ¼pa: But donÃ¢â¬â¢t we do that also?

PrabhupÃÂ¤da: No. Our position is different. Ã¢â¬Â¦

In this statement Ã¢â¬ÅPrabhupadaÃ¢â¬Â rejects this teaching of Sri Caitanya, saying that what if

Caitanya Mahaprabhu was interested only on the spiritual platformÃ¢â¬Â¦

Our position is different. (meaning that one should be interested also in something else than spiritual platform-

eventually practicing karma (in reality vi-karma) mishra bhakti Ã¢â¬â under the later label daivi varNashram dharma, which in the beginning of his preaching in the west SB Narayan M. reject too)

It is true that everybody can choose what he pleases, or is qualified for. Everyone has his/her own independent potency Ã¢â¬â shatantra shakti, and follow his own iccha shakti desires.

One can follow Sri CaitanyaÃ¢â¬â¢s teaching or one can follow Ã¢â¬ÅPrabhupadaÃ¢â¬Â teaching.

Ã¢â¬ÅPrabhupadaÃ¢â¬Â knew siddhanta:

Ã¢â¬ÅÃ¢â¬Â¦ Caitanya MahÃÂ¤prabhu personally took sannyÃÂ¤sa. He rejected completely material. Nishkincana Ã¢â¬â (one must get rid of any material possessions).Ã¢â¬Â

And than he says again that his followers should not take up this teaching of Sri Caitanya:

Ã¢â¬ÅBut we are not going to be nishkincana. We are trying to cement the troubled position of the...Ã¢â¬Â

And for the fact that he donÃ¢â¬â¢t want to follow this teaching of Sri Caitanya he says that there is a prescription in the Bhagavad-gita:

Ã¢â¬ÅThat is also in the prescription of Bhagavad-gÃÂ©tÃÂ¤. We are not rejecting the whole society.Ã¢â¬Â

The idea to model the society is of course very nice, so that it may bring a good environment for spiritual practices. But this was not the concern or the teaching of Sri Caitanya, and Ã¢â¬ÅPrabhupadaÃ¢â¬Â knew it well, than he says further:

Ã¢â¬ÅCaitanya MahÃÂ¤prabhu rejected everything, ihÃÂ¤ bÃÂ¤hya. Rejected meaning, Ã¢â¬ÅI do not take much interest in this.Ã¢â¬Â BÃÂ¤hya. Ã¢â¬ÅIt is external.Ã¢â¬Â He was simply interested in the internal, the spiritual.Ã¢â¬Â

Ã¢â¬ÅBut our duty is that we shall arrange the external affairs also so nicely that one day they will come to the spiritual platform very easily, paving the way. Ã¢â¬Å

But Sri Caitanya doesnÃ¢â¬â¢t say that this would be our duty (Sri Caitanya says this is external, this has noting to do with the duty or true nature of the soul Ã¢â¬â divine love for Krishna / Radha-krishna, caused by tasting His sweetness and beauty).

And Prabhupada adds:

"And Caitanya MahÃÂ¤prabhu, personality like that,.."

This is cheating, Sri Caitanya rejected it. How can He like that what He rejects it?!

Here it is the core of the teachings of Prabhupada and his teacher SB Sarasvati:

Ã¢â¬Â¦ But we are preaching. We are preaching. Therefore we must pave the situation in such a way that gradually they will be promoted to the spiritual plane, which is not required