Jat History

dhu · 05-16-2006, 12:08 PM

marayannu was the mitani elite..

05-16-2006, 07:13 PM

Come on guys ....

Jats are no foreginers they are Indians and don't hate them when they try to present their point of view when jatt history is being discussed on Indian discussion forum.

I don't need to remind you the jat regiment the sikh regiment and a part of rajput regiment is filled with those jatt soldiers who are shedding their blood for their motherland.

Try to prove your version of jatt history if you think their version is wrong.

We must concentrate on substance not on invectives.

We can't deny the facts that these muslim historians seems to mention more of jats in their early enconter with Indian people.

I request Delete not to indulge in indidual cases but concentrate on jat history as the thread suggests.

05-17-2006, 12:59 AM

QUOTE"Jats are no foreginers they are Indians and don't hate them when they try to present their point of view when jatt history is being discussed on Indian discussion forum."

Agreed but there are certain Jats who feel more close to someone from middle east & central Asia (after living thousands of years in India) compared to somone from Gujrat, Madhya pradesh and down south.

Regarding their version of History, can't they prove their greatness without abusing Brahmins & Rajputs and riddiculing Hindusim.

QUOTEI don't need to remind you the jat regiment the sikh regiment and a part of rajput regiment is filled with those jatt soldiers who are shedding their blood for their motherland.

We all know that. But people like RAvi Choudhuri will say that they are being used by Brahmins.

QUOTETry to prove your version of jatt history if you think their version is wrong.

We must concentrate on substance not on invectives.

Could you please tell us how Khap records become a valid proof while Puranas have no validity. Why don't you visit supreme seat of history i.e. Jat History forum. If one goes by logic on JAt history forum than Aalah-Udal story sung in the regions of Bundel khand too becomes history. Where just two of them defeated the army of Ray Pithora (Pritvi Raj Chouhan).

QUOTEWe can't deny the facts that these muslim historians seems to mention more of jats in their early enconter with Indian people.

Seems to whom?.

QUOTEI request Delete not to indulge in indidual cases but concentrate onÂ jat history as the thread suggests.

I am concentrating exactly on that. After all what is Jat history other than the transformation of the ego of the Jats suffering from inferiorty complex which makes them to negate their Indian identity.

"Delete": Please PM or one of the moderators a human sounding username. -Admin

05-17-2006, 02:53 AM

All: Please keep this thread focused on Jat history without abusing anyone else.
And please refrain from using India-Forum to settle scores from other forums.

05-22-2006, 08:42 PM

QUOTEAgreed but there are certain Jats who feel more close to someone from middle east & central Asia (after living thousands of years in India) compared to somone from Gujrat, Madhya pradesh and down south. 

I need to know who are these Jutts?

As well as I am concerned a non-proud Indian Jutt is not a Jutt. Any Bajwa, Cheema, Virk, Bhatti, Sandhu,Dhillon Muslims according to Me ARE DEFEATED PEOPLE. (and there are many). They are hanging on to their Jutt Indian Tag in order to salvage some pride out of their defeated mentality.

If you don't know Akali Phula Singh, Ranjit Singh and Kapur Singh Virk were Jutts who took back Khyber and Peshawar. Bhai Mohan Singh of Indian National Army (Neta ji Subhash Chandar Bose) was also a Jutt. and so was the solder Dhillon (sehgal dhillon shahnawaz) in the Red fort Delhi Case.

And The Shaheed-e-Azam Bhagat Singh was also a Jutt.

05-23-2006, 03:10 AM

Now that moderators have re opened this thread, we may be wise to take time take a few, moments to review the situation.

As I see it, the purpose of site like India- Forum, is to be forum where all people can discuss and contribute, to discuss past events , learn from them, and look for a better solution to the problems of today and tomorrow, faced by our society and nation..

We should also, quietly, take a few moments to thank those who have organized this forum, and spend so much of their time on it.

When we discuss history, one of the purposes is to be open to information that develops, and also to be open to make corrections to the distortions that have occurred in previous years, centuries, and millennium.

When new information comes, it will disturb the existing equilibrium, and complacency- one excellent example is the Aryan Invasion theory, which has seen shown as bunkum, but existing positions are difficult to give up, especially for those who have staked their careers, reputations, livelihoods, and identity upon them.

This is exactly the same position of Indian history, where the bulk of it , as we taught it today, came to us by Colonial historians and then by Indians historians, who had their axes to grind- the JNU Marxist crowd - Irfan Habib is one such example. On the other we have those who simply wish to push a âHinduâ version of history, where Indian society evolved along the Hindu Religion's four fold caste system.

Many other streams of Bharatâs history are and were totally ignored.

The study of Jat History falls into this in between category, where it has been ignored completely in our history texts books, and where it is found the references are denigratory .

A lot that is coming out from the re construction of the History of Jats, is uncomfortable to various groups- the Islamicists feel upset, because it shows that they did not have a walk over when they came into Bharat. The people fought them tooth and nail, and the Jats were, being more numerous and having a more close knit social structure, in the vanguard of the resistance.

A cursory review of the Jat sources shows that all communities participated. The war with Timur in 1398 CE was led by a Gujar general.

In fact it is, and should be of considerable interest, that while the Islamicists could subdue various regions, in their own backyard of the area 200 miles around Delhi, their hold was disputed daily.

Akbar did not make a treaty with the Jats of the Sarv Khap of Haryana, promising not to interfere with their affairs, because he suddenly acquired religious tolerance. He did so, so he could concentrate on consolidating his power in Agra region and the Sarv Khap power forced him to do so. The history of Bharat would have been different, had some of the orthodox hindus allied with the Jat Republican Sarv Khap , instead of allying with and supporting Akbar and the Muslims.

When new information about is brought out, with the intent of correcting distortions, it will upset the equilibrium, that has been existing, for often it will not be compatible with the existing versions.

This will upset some people, who hold on to their existing self serving positions and views.

The way forward, as it has always been, is to bring forward your material and arguments if you find anything that is posted here or on the Jathistory forum inaccurate.

Simply making pooh poohing the information, and making personal attacks, âspit a runâ is not going to make the evidence go away.

Those who wish to discuss it seriously, and wish to build upon the base, a foundation, so far created, should have no problem doing so under their real names.

If they do not wish to use their real name, it becomes even more important to be courteous, polite, and professional.

The orthodox caste driven âHinduâ gets upset, because the Jats refuse to acknowledge the caste system, its hierarchy of Priest, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra, and that they refuse to be bracketed or pigeon holed into it.

Some holding on to a ârajputâ identity get upset, because a study of the material shows that their contribution to Indian Polity was less than glorious.

We should also keep in mind that alliances were often made with local self interests in mind, which looking back with hindsight should not have been made..

Should our History and its study be held hostage to these shackles?

Most of us will say no.

We can discuss it, uncomfortable material will come forward.

Let us see if we can learn from all this.

A note to Delete, Mowgli


The first step is to keep your posts, professional, and courteous, if you can.

Otherwise start a new thread to put your views forward.

Best regards

Ravi Chaudhary

agnivayu · (This post was last modified: 05-23-2006, 06:59 AM by agnivayu.)

Two things I don't understand:

1) This whole idea of attacking Brahmins is a Muslim/ British trick to lay blame. Who has been ruling India all this time, and who are the groups with the money ? It sure as heck ain't Brahmins.

2) What's with the physical superiority attitude ?
I am in far better shape aerobically and in muscle strength compared to many Jats, and I am a vegetarian Hindu.

QUOTE(Ravi Chaudhary @ May 23 2006, 03:10 AM)The first step is to keep your posts, professional, and courteous., if you can.

Otherwise start a new thread to put your views forward.

Best regards

Ravi Chaudhary
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05-23-2006, 08:01 AM

QUOTE(agnivayu @ May 23 2006, 06:57 AM)Two things I don't understand:

1)Â This whole idea of attacking Brahmins is a Muslim/ British trick to lay blame.Â Who has been ruling India all this time, and who are the groups with the money ?Â It sure as heck ain't Brahmins.Â

2)Â What's with the physical superiority attitude ?
I am in far better shape aerobically and in muscle strength compared to many Jats, and I am a vegetarian Hindu.

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Otherwise start a new thread to put your views forward.

Best regards

Ravi Chaudhary
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Agnivayu

Your second point does not rate a response. On the first one:-

You are incorrect in your thinking and you should change it, the sooner the better.

People identify with various groups and take on their identities. In your case you identify yourself with a community known as â Brahminsâ Having done that, then is a natural reaction to take any comment as an attack and victimization.. That is safe and standard way to deflect and then to vitiate any discussion.

There are many goths( gothras) that are common between the âJatsâ and the âBrahminâ community- Kaushik, Bhardwaj , Gaur for starters.. That has nothing to with how society evolved, and where and whence the divisions came in, or how the â Brahminâ community evolved into being one in the first place, when the original start is from Vedic society.

The Jats simply do not accept the varnic heirachy of Orthodox Hinduism. That is all.

Ther is no animosity towards any community from the Jats.

Members of the â Brahmin ; community have been performing religious rituals for them and still do. Members of this community have also fought shoulder to shoulder against the British, and the Islamicists in earlier times.

Rajputs have done the same.

See for example

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/files/
Timur.doc
Timurs defeat by the Jats

Quote:

â The generals chosen from among the heroic maidens were 1) Rampiari Gujar, 2) Hardai Jat, 2) DeviKaur Rajput, 3) Chandro Brahmin, and 4) Ramdai Tyagi. All of them took a vow to lay down their lives in defence of their nation.â

1857warofindependence.doc
1857 First war of Indian Independence

Extract:

Quote: â7.0 THE ATROCITIES OF THE BRITISH ON THE POPULATION AFTER THE REVOLUTION WAS SUPPRESSED.

When the revolution ended, practically every chief of every village, the Mukiya, or Numbardar, was hanged to death.

The roads all around Jhajjar were covered with the stench of decaying corpse of dead persons hung upside down.

7.1 Shyamrdi â hanging of the village leaders

The Numbardars of the Rangars, and 10 Jat Numbardars including one Brahmin, from the village of Shyamrdi (in the Gohana subdivision) were taken to the Market Square in Rohtak. Prior to their hanging the 10 Jat Numbardars were asked by the British dictators- " Speak, what do you want?" The Jats replied, " Release our eleventh companion - Mulka Brahmin". Mulka refused to be parted from his companions. He was hung along with the others [End of quote]

You need to be a member to access the file, but that is only a click away. There are plenty of members , who identify themselves with the â Brahminâ Communityâ in that list.

We should also keep in mind that we do not live in a perfect world.

If you wish to discuss why other perceptions are there, as you see it, then please start a separate thread.

Ravi Chaudhary

agnivayu · (This post was last modified: 05-23-2006, 10:08 AM by agnivayu.)

Actually I identify myself as a member of the Iyer community.

I wonder what you mean by a castist Hindu. I mean members of your community will marry only within the community too, and that pretty much is the only role that the so called 'caste system' plays today anyway.

05-24-2006, 12:10 AM

Agnivayu

Your questionsâ what is a castiest Hinduâ is a deep and broad question, which deserves a separate thread.

Here let us stay with Jat history, and its connections with other streams.

As you are an Iyer, and interested in jat history, you may be interested to that there are other Iyers also on the Jathistory group.

The âIyersâ if I mistake not have a tradition, that they moved to the Southern part of the Indian sub continent from the north.

The Jats of the Baliyan clan, Dist Muzzafarnagar, have a tradition, that they moved there from Ballabhipur ( Vallabhipur)( Gujarat/Sindh) in the 7th/8th centuries on, as part of a general movement of clans, with the Islamic invasions,. They also have a tradition that they sent their purohits /Brahmins into the Interior, to protect them and the store of Knowledge.

The Baliyan Clan held the hereditary position of Mantri, and hosted the Sarv Khap parliament/meetings.

The Sarv Khap records also show the Sarv Khap sent a number of Mulls/Warriors to train the Army of Dev Rana of Vijaynagar

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/message/53

ââThere is also a letter from Dev Rana the ruler of Vijayanagar, asking
for a number of Mull Yodhas (as they were known) from the Khap to be
sent his to court, so that they can train his soldiers, to be able to
remove the pestilence of the Mussalman. A number were sent to
Vijayanagar, where the imparted training to the Rana's troops.ââ

I hope this is more interesting to read

Best regards

Ravi

05-24-2006, 12:15 AM

Please skip defination of castism and other unrelated points that are not relevant to this thread.

05-24-2006, 12:27 AM

Well it seems true Ravi ji.

It is supported by most reasonable recent genetic findings.

The Iyyers of south India found to possess as high as 14(?)haplogroups with north western KAILASH people that are not shared with any one of the neighbouring populations.

I hope DHU may give the title of that genetic finding.

I think it was POLARITY AND TEMPOLARITY OF y CHROMOSOMAL DISTRIBUTION BY SANGHMITRA AND OTHERS.

dhu · (This post was last modified: 05-28-2006, 01:30 AM by dhu.)

Yes your inference is from the Sanghamitra paper and is apparently referring to y-haplogroup G2-P15. This association was picked up by somene on IC list. Iyer ancestry in Kerala, however, is much older than the Islamic invasions; probably they can be dated to the tamil sanskrit split. We must also factor in Sinhala origins.

Wikipedia on haplo G:
QUOTEHaplogroup G (Y-DNA)
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In human genetics, Haplogroup G (M201) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup.

Haplogroup G has an overall low frequency in most populations but is widely distributed in Eurasia. It is most frequent in the Caucasus, and is also found in Asia Minor, the Middle East, the Balkans, Italy, with decreasing frequency in other parts of the world.

Little about its origins is currently known. It is a branch of haplogroup F* (M89), and is believed to have originated in the Indus Valley between 10,000 and 20,000 years ago.

Oppenheimer gives G* origin in East Asia (p375). Probably we are dealing with a very ancient population originating in interior India-East Asia. which then expanded to the ME-anatolia-caucasus with the Kurds, iranians, but most likely indo-hittite or a precursor to hittite..... the hittite ending -os devolved into the familiar -os endings of greek.

from another source:
QUOTEhttp://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpG.htmlÂ
Haplogroup G has two primary sub-haplogroups, G1 and G2. By far, the most common sub-group in western Europe is G2. G1 occurs almost an order of magnitude less frequently than G2 in western Europe. A significant fraction of European G1âs are Ashkenazi Jews. Among Ashkenazi Jews, about 10% are in haplogroup G, including about 8% in G1 and 2% in G2. Haplogroups G3 and G5 have been reported for only single individuals from Turkey and Pakistan, respectively. G4 was mentioned in the article that announced G5, but has not yet been described.

The founder of haplogroup G is thought to have lived about 30,000 years ago along the eastern edge of the Middle East, perhaps as far east as the Himalayan foothills in Pakistan or India. A small number of haplogroup G people went eastward and on into Southeast Asia, south China and the Pacific Islands, but most spread over the Middle Eastern area and up into the Caucasus.

Judging from the Sanghamitra paper, it is also likely that Indian sampling for G is incomplete:

QUOTEhttp://www.jogg.info/21/Goff.pdf
The testing of one G2-P15 subject for DYF371 was
carried out to estimate whether or not the value of 14
on DYS425 was present from the beginning of
Haplogroup G2. The subject was from a tribal area of
India and his G2 lineage has likely been separated from
the lineage that led to most European G2âs from the
earliest history of G2. This subject was found to have
repeat values on DYF371 of 10c-12t-13c-13c, so the
DYS425 value (associated with the âTâ allele) was 12.
Therefore, it appears that the two repeats were added in
a G2 individual at some early time after the founding of
G2. Therefore, we would not normally expect to find
DYS425=14 in a member of G1 or G*, and this
conclusion is supported by the single example in Table 1
of a Haplogroup G1a individual, plus the single
example of a GxG2 individual reported to us in a
private communication.
...
The limited data for GxG2 suggests that the deletion
event in DYS452 occurred in a Haplogroup G2
individual or else was present in the founder of G2. The
value of 27 on this marker for the G2 individual from a
tribal area of India supports the idea that the deletion
occurred in a person who was already G2, or that it
occurred very early in the history of G2. Probably, the
deletion was present in the founder of G2, but has
become extinct outside G2, but this observation is based
on limited data.


In India's huge population, original G indeed was dwarfed, while it was selected out in the caucasus hinterlands.

dhu · (This post was last modified: 05-29-2006, 03:32 AM by dhu.)

Nandibum,

The other real possibility for origin of Maeotae is from Madra who were one of he ancient punjabi republican clans. There is a systematic underappreciation of specifically indic origin for many of the Scythian, sarmatian, Iazyges tribes around the black sea and caspian areas; these get systmically treated as "Iranian" as it does not cost the euro pretenders any soft power. this despite the fact that there is atypical and astounding evidence for sanskrit spaekers occupying these heights in ancient times (sindoi, tanais, etc).. individual hrvats had managed to organize the original resident slav masses into a "serb" state. we see the same model being repeated in this region by the turko-mongols as well as the uralics, resulting in bulgaria and hungary..... The same model had resulted in formation of the slav majority itself from even earlier migrants from the indus region......

06-03-2006, 01:13 AM

As I could get from my friend Mehta they are called so from ancient times and well may be the maeotae of indic origin.

But madra we find via historical records used for meds one of the ancient tribes of north west later finding them in the rajput group via meher or med ,medta rajputs.

Again we find many punjabi tribes like soda sud or sodhi converting to both rajput group and some retaining old identity of kshtriya or khatri.

Ghakkars kakkars are another such groups having identities of khatris as well as rajputs.

But again this sangmitra report confuse me on this count when they they found rajput group seprate from brahmans while we find khatris and brahmans having closest similarity according to genetic findings of kaur et al.

Closest genetic affinity between brahmans khatris and use of word khatti for hittis makes me belive that they were one group and were termed as ancient kashtriya.

Sangmitra results may have been due to sampling of later group of gujjars and huns finding place in rajput group.

Yes you pointed out a very imp point which is absolute truth that many of indian tribes were given Irani origin unnecessary as when you see these Parthian Jats or Azats (Z and j sound simly changes from ossetic to indian group)who always called them Jats and never written as parthians till they reached parthia were unnecessary called as Indo parthians .Their first King Arkesh was a native of ghandhar and left bacteria on his difference with King Deodat.These Jats always called them Aryans and ruled Indo parthian wast Empire for nearly 400 years.

dhu · (This post was last modified: 06-03-2006, 11:10 PM by dhu.)

QUOTE(NANDIBUM @ Jun 3 2006, 01:13 AM)many of indian tribes were given Irani origin unnecessary as when you see these Parthian Jats or Azats (Z and j sound simly changes from ossetic to indian group)who always called them Jats andÂ never written as parthians till they reached parthia were unnecessary called as Indo parthians .Their first King Arkesh was a native of ghandhar and left bacteria on his difference with King Deodat.These Jats always called them Aryans and ruled Indo parthian wast Empire for nearly 400 years.
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Sindi is a kurdish surname which is definitely from punjab-sindh area but these people are now classified as an iranian subgroup based on language. Probably we are seeing an overlay of classical Iranian influence. same should be the case with the armenian ossetian azats as well. we should fit these people into the kassite/mittani/hittite/sindoi/hrvat paradigm. kushan paradigm shift is also relevant. indo-parthian may be a similar case.

Just as Parsees in Mumbai do not speak iranian, new generation indic migrants into ME would adopt the iranian elements, these elements themselves being derivable from kashyapamir area which is centre stage for the archaic dardic, now overlain wth sanskrit. baluchistani shibi from shaivaite kashmir

even name of cyrus (koroush) is related to kuru firmly located within india. thus we have both uttara kuru and uttara madra extensions of madra and kuru in india. hemphill's tarim craniometric and oppenheimer's genetic studies indicate these populations were derived from indus valley.. madri wife of pandu

properly, central asia should be seen as backyard of india and as the staging ground for europe. definite central asian elements in india are few, while we have enigmatic hybrid central asian states in balkan heartland. albanian.. serb. croat, hungarian. romanian, etc.. Haplo I, only indigene haplo in europe, is highest in sardinians and north europe... obviously there was a deep penetration of post-ice age R1a into the european heartland leaving hg I in the periphery. even the racist spencer wells gives dates of 11 BP for R1a in europe and correlates to ice age expansion. it ws left o oppenheimer to give the india connection.

Armenian azats, aka alans, did dramatically impinge upon rome, europe and even N Africa in some v dramatic movements.

the only Indigene Steppe elements are altaic and uralic, with indian hybrid gypsies taking on the lifestyle to expedite movement further west...

06-25-2006, 04:09 PM

QUOTE(Ravi Chaudhary @ Nov 4 2005, 03:42 AM) =mitradena,Nov 4 2005, 02:35 AM]
They are found in todayâs Madhya Pradesh in Mandsor in the 4th /5th century( Yashodharman Virk).

Where is the proof that Yashodharman was a Jat and his clan name was Virk?

Is Virk derived from the Sanskrit Vrka for wolf?

Response>

Virk is a Jat clan name. Virk Jats are found from West Punjab, down to Madhya Pradesh.

Virk Jats are still found in large numbers in the Mandsor region of todayâs Madhya Pradesh . Guru Tegh Bahadur stayed with them when he traveled to that area.

Virk from Vrka, Could be!

We find this as a clan name in the Rig Veda too.

See also:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/message/1533
:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/files/
vishnuvardhana Virk.doc
Bijaygarh inscription of Vishnuvardhan Virk ]
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Ravi your refrences are again $ again from some Yahoo group <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /> created by yourself.Pls provide Some bibliography etc. in support of ur claims.and last But nt least ,concentrate only on Jat history.Stop Rajput bashing. Though I m not well versed with either Rajput history or Jat History.But 1 thing i know is that Rajputs were really brave except 1 or 2 Varnashankras.Where was Jat Rulers sleeping When MahaRana Was Fighting with Turks.

dhu · 06-27-2006, 02:17 AM

QUOTElink
820-834. Zott state established on the banks of the River Tigris

855. The Persian chronicler Tabari relates how large numbers of Zott are taken prisoner when the Byzantines attack Syria.

dhu · (This post was last modified: 06-27-2006, 02:30 AM by dhu.)

QUOTElink

1879.

A national conference of Roma is convened in Kisfalu, Hungary.

Nomadism is banned in Serbia. 

the great nomadic aryan homeland bans the Indian nomads!!!

06-27-2006, 03:00 AM

QUOTE(IndiaFirst @ Jun 25 2006, 04:09 PM)
Ravi your refrences are again sh1t again from some Yahoo group <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />Â created by yourself.Pls provide Some bibliography etc. in support of ur claims.and last But nt least ,concentrate only on Jat history.Stop Rajput bashing. Though I m not well versed with either Rajput history or Jat History.But 1 thing i know is that Rajputs were really brave except 1 or 2 Varnashankras.Where was Jat Rulers sleepingÂ When MahaRana Was Fighting with Turks.
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Dear poster

In msg 77, you are correct the links are to the information contained in the Yahoo Jathisory group. Why is that a problem for you?

You claim there are no references:

Did you not click on the link.

To make it easier, for you, I am reproduing the full post from the Jathistory group.

1. msg 1533

THE VIRKS OF MANDSOR, MALWA

Malwa was named after the Mall or Mull tribes. These tribes were
republican tribes, and they are famous in the Mahabharata and in the
Buddhist period. At this time this surname e is found in the Jats and
the Brahmins. Alexander knew them as the Mall-oi. According to the
grammatical rules of Katyayana, in the Brahmins the names become
Malvi, and in the Jats Malli or Malhi. The names are derived from
Malav

The Malls were neighbors of Videha and must have migrated to
Kalantar. This land was previously well known as Avanti. Raja
Vikramaditya was born here. Malwa was famous as a rich and fertile
land. As in Punjab and Sind the Jats populated this land of Malwa.
The Jats not only had kingdoms in this rich land full of treasure,
but also formed empires from here. However much historical material
has been lost. What material is there points to a rich and proud
tradition, but is incomplete.

The first four centuries after Christ are shrouded in darkness. and
what is found is not in sequence.

According to the Mahabharata, in Ujjain two kings existed by the name
of Bindu and Anubindu. Their kingdom was ruled jointly by the two
kings. They must have been from two different tribes. Their kingdom
was republican.

In the area that is known as Malwa, we find the clan names Dsharn,
Dashrah, Malvatsya, Kukar, Kunti, Bhoj, Kuntal, Charman, etc Near
Dhar nagar we find Bhoj, and near Mandsor we find Dsharn and Dashrah
people ruling. Today's Mandsor was previously known as DASHPUR or
DASHOR on the banks of the Chambal River, the Charmanvat people ruled
over Champanagari. Vijay Singh Pathik considers the Dasharn to be
formed of ten tribes, though the ancient texts take them to be of one
tribe.

Apart from these tribes, Maurya, Gupta, Andhak, and Pawar clans ruled
this land. These clans were from outside Malwa and ruled here after
displacing their forebears. The Mallii ruled here before them, At
the time of Alexander, the Kshudrak Jats are found to be their
neighbors. Of these tribes/ clans some clan's names are found both
in the Jats and the Rajputs. However Deshpuria, Bhoj, and Kuntal are
found only in the Jats.

The Bangari people of Malwa also ruled here, and a part of Malwa â
Bangar is named after them. This surname is found both in the
Brahmins and the Jats.

VISHNUVARDHAN

The groups who came from outside Malwa did great damage to the
republics of Malwa. The republics (Janpadhs) fought the monarchial
groups hard and long, but were defeated in the end. After many
centuries, the republics having been decimated, the monarchial system
arose. Some great individuals came forward and established kingdoms
and empires. From among the Jats, the names that stand out are
Kaniska, Shalindra or Salindra ,and Yashodharma. Maharaja
Vishnuvardhan was the father of Emperor Yashodharma.

Maharaja Vishnuvardhan is sometimes written as Vishnu-dharma. He was
of the Virk clan (goth). A commemorative victory pillar of his is
fund in Bayana (Uttar Pradesh near Etawah), where he is described as
Varika Vishnuvardhan (see Brijendra vansh Bhaskar for an account of
Bayana. Today Virk of Varik is not very well known, its existence is
known from its place in the ancient long lineage in the history of
the Jat Gotras. [The rise of the Jats and their history p 48]. C.V
Vaidya in his Hindu medieval India writes about Vishnuvardhan as
below:

" The kingdom of Malapo or Malwa belonged to Yashodharma
Vishnuvardhan. of the Mandsor inscription. In our surmise their name
ending Vardhan shows he was a Vaisya like the Guptas. His great
exploit was that he defeated Mihirgula the Hun. Now we have already
quoted from Chandra's grammar " Ajai Jartao Hunahn" i.e. the Jats
conquered the Huns". If we apply this sentence to Yashodharma and
there is none else to whom it can be applied, we may surmise that he
was a Jarta or a Jat from the Punjab. In fact like the Gujars of
Bhinwal we may suppose that the Jats from the Punjab to have migrated
to Malwa (which like Rajputana is a favorite land with migrators) to
take refuge from the invasions of the Huns and these Jats getting
strong under Yashodharman inflicted in 528 AD a signal defeat upon
the Huns who had overrun their motherland the Punjab"

[The author questions Vaidya's surmise that if simply because of the
suffix Vardhan, Vishnuvardhan and all Jats are to be considered of
the Vaishya caste, then should we take Devodas of the Vedic age
also to be a Sudra?

Desraj disagrees with Vaidya's contention about the migrations,
stating that from ancient times the Jat clans of Dasharn and Bhoj are
present, and today they are known as Dasor, Dushpuria, and Bhoju]

In Bayana, which is now in the Kingdom of Bharatpur, is a victory
pillar, which is known as Bhim Ki Lat, or Bhim's stick. From this is
inferred that his empire included Bayana. The author of
the `Brijendra Vansh Bhaskar' informs us the in Samvat 428
Vishnuvardhan Virk performed a Yagna (havan, sacrifice) at this site.
In our opinion this was around in Samvat 528, for in Samvat 586, i.e.
529 AD Yashodharman defeated the Huns.

[ the header of this web site is from Vishnuvardhans's inscription

for the full inscription see:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/files/
vishnuvardhana Virk.doc
Bijaygarh inscription of Vishnuvardhan Virk ]

If the Brijendra vansh Bhaskar date)(SV 428) is taken as correct,
then the time of Vishnuvardhan is between Samvat 400 and Samvat
550, i.e. 150years, and if we accept that Yashodharman was about 80
years old when he defeated the Huns, then Vishnuvardhan rule of 90 â
95 years can be taken as possible.

Cunningham thinks that Pravarsen of Kashmir is dated at 432 AD.
Pravarsen was a contemporary of Yashodharma, because he gave
sanctuary to Yashodharman son Siladitya and seats him on the throne
of Kashmir. If this is taken as correct than we can take the date of
Vishnuvardhan as 371 AD.

However a substantial group of historians id of the view that
Yashodharman defeated the Huns around 529 AD. Then we are reasonable
in taking the date of Yashodharman victory pillar around AD 528.

C. V. Vaidya thinks that these jat kings ruled from about 500 AD to
641 AD, however we think there rule starts from about 340 AD. At that
time state was not as great as that of Yashodharma, but Western Malwa
was certainly in their empire. When the Gupta kings were ruling
Ujjain, these kings governed Mandsor. Out of these one or two kings
may also have been feudatories of the Guptas. Along with the Gupta
kings, we see another dynasty ruling Malwa as well.

SINGHVARMA.

He was a contemporary of Samudragupta. Samudragupta was the foremost,
and most famous king of the Gupta (Dharan) dynasty.

His rule is said to have been between 335 and 385 AD. Singh Varma had
two sons Chandravarma and Narvarma, Chandravarma left Malwa and went
to Puskar in Marwar district of Rajastan and established a kingdom
there. Narvarma stayed and ruled in Malwa. Narvarma had two sons
Banduvarma and Bhimvarma.

The power of the Gupta Empire was in the ascendancy and Banduvarma
accepted the suzerainty of the Gupta rulers of Ujjain. Bhimvarma
accepted the position of governor with Skandgupta Vikramaditya the
son of Kumargupta the first. He was appointed the governor of
Kausambi. The era of Skandgupta is dated 455 Ad to 467 AD.

Forty years after the time of Skandgupta Vikramaditya, in Ujjain we
find Bhanugupta Baladitya on the throne. This is the same Baladitya
who is attached to the Jat emperor Yashodharma, in the latter's
defeat of the Huns.

If after Banduvarma, we join Vishnuvardhan, the dynastical list will
be as follows.

- Singhvarma

- Chandra Varma and Narvarma. (From Singhvarma)

- Vishwavarma (from Narvarma).

- Raghu Varma and Bhimvarma. (From Vishwavarma)

- Vishnuvardhan (from Raghuvarma)

-Yashodharma (from Vishnuvardhan)

- Siladitya from Yashodharma.

Banduvarma, who was the contemporary of Kumar Gupta the First and
Skandagupta, ruled Malwa some 80 years before the victory of
Yashodharma over the Huns. His rule was in Western Malwa i.e. in
Mandsor.

We find an inscription of this time.

The Silk weavers of Mandsor has built a temple to the Sun. This was
damaged due to weather, and Banduvarma had it repaired in 530 Samvat
or 473 AD.

This shows that Banduvarma was present on Mandsor (Daspur) in 473 AD.

Following Banduvarma, Vishnuvardhan erected his victory pillar in
Bayana, which is Bayana was also known as Vijaygarh or Bijaygarh.
(The B and V are interchangeable). They must have gained independence
from the Guptas.

If Banduvarma was not of the family of Vishnuvardhan, and was of one
their enemies, then there would be some reference in their
inscriptions to their having conquered Mandsor.

Soon after having the kingdom from Banduvarma, Vishnuvardhan and
Yashodharma took the titles of Emperor. We are told in (Bharat ke
prachin rajvansh- the ancient ruling Dynasties of India,) that
Yashodharma `s father Vishnuvardhan took the title of Maharjadhiraja -
Emperor or Emperors.

The other link would lead you to the inscription of Yashodarman 5th century CE

The inscription is from

: Fleet, John F. Corpus Inscriptionum Indicarum: Inscriptions of the Early Guptas. Vol. III. Calcutta: Government of India, Central Publications Branch, 1888, 147-148.

I am reproducing it for your benefit.

"
Mandasor Pillar Inscription of Yashodharman

May that very long banner of (the god) ShÃ»lapÃ¢ni destroy the glory of your enemies; â (that banner) which bears (a representation of) the bull (Nandi), marked by the five fingers (dipped in some dye and then) placed on him by (PÃ¢rvati) the daughter of the mountain (HimÃ¢laya), who causes the distant regions, in which the demons are driven wild with fear by (his) terrible bellowings, to shake; (and) who makes the glens of (the mountain) SumÃªru to have their rocks split open by the blows of his horns!

(Line 2.)â He, to whose arm, as if (to the arm) of (the god) ShÃ¢rngapÃ¢ni,â the fore-arm of which is marked with callous parts caused by the hard string of (his) bow, (and) which is steadfast in the successful carrying out of vows for the benefit of mankind,â the earth betook itself (for succour), when it was afflicted by kings of the present age, who manifested pride; who were cruel through want of proper training; who, from delusion, transgressed the path of good conduct; (and) who were destitute of virtuous delights:

(L. 3.)â He who, in this age which is the ravisher of good behaviour, through the action simply of (his good) intentions shone gloriously, not associating with other kings who adopted a reprehensible course of conduct,â just as an offering of flowers (is beautiful when it is not laid down) in the dust;â he in whom, possessed of a wealth of virtue, (and so) falling but little short of Manu and Bharata and Alarka and MÃ¢ndhÃ¢tri, the title of "universal sovereign" shines more (than in any other), like a resplendent level (set) in good gold:â

(L. 4.)â He who, spurning (the confinement of) the boundaries of his own house, enjoys those countries,â thickly covered over with deserts and mountains and trees and thickets and rivers and strong-armed heroes, (and) having (their) kings assaulted by (his) prowess,â which were not enjoyed (even) by the lords of the Guptas, whose prowess was displayed by invading the whole (remainder of the) earth, (and) which the command of the chiefs of the HÃ»nas , that established itself on the tiaras of (many) kings, failed to penetrate:â

(L. 5.)â He before whose feet chieftains, having (their) arrogance removed by the strength of (his) arm, bow down, from the neighbourhood of the (river) Lauhitya up to (the mountain) MahÃªndra, the lands at the foot of which are impenetrable through the groves of palmyra-trees, (and) from (HimÃ¢laya) the mountain of snow, the tablelands of which are embraced by the (river) GangÃ¢, up to the Western Ocean,â by which (all) the divisions of the earth are made of various hues through the intermingling of the rays of the jewels in the locks of hair on the tops of (their) heads: â

(L.6.)â He by whom (his) head has never been brought into the humility of obeisance to any other save (the god) SthÃ¢nu;â he, through the embraces of whose arms (HimÃ¢laya) the mountain of snow carries no longer the pride of the title of being a place that is difficult of access;â he to whose two feet respect was paid, with complimentary presents of the flowers from the lock of hair on the top of (his) head, by even that (famous) king Mihirakula, whose forehead was pained through being bent low down by the strength of (his) arm in (the act of compelling) obeisance: â

(L. 7.)â By him, the king, the glorious YashÃ´dharman, the firm beams of whose arms are as charming as pillars, this column, which shall endure to the time of the destruction of the world, has been erected here,â as if to measure out the earth; as if to enumerate on high the multitude of the heavenly lights; (and) as if to point out the path of his own fame to the skies above, acquired by good actions;â (this column) which shines refulgent, as if it were a lofty arm of the earth, raised up in joy to write upon the surface of the moon the excellence of the virtues of YashÃ´dharman, to the effect thatâ "His birth (is) in a lineage that is worthy to be eulogised; there is seen in him a charming behaviour that is destructive of sin; he is the abode of religion; (and) the (good) customs of mankind continue current, unimpeded (in any way) by him."

(L. 9.)â From a desire thus to praise this king, of meritorious actions, (these) verses have been composed by VÃ¢sula, the son of Kakka. (This eulogy) has been engraved by GÃ´vinda.

From: Fleet, John F. Corpus Inscriptionum Indicarum: Inscriptions of the Early Guptas. Vol. III. Calcutta: Government of India, Central Publications Branch, 1888, 147-148."

Jat history does not exist in insolation. There will be interacting streams.

Ravi Chaudhary

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