Traitors And Anti-nationals In India!

07-01-2006, 08:26 PM

No shortage of Jaichand, give them some change and they will sell their mother.

07-03-2006, 07:52 AM

Techie in NSC leaked info to American womanQUOTEAccording to exclusive information available with rediff.com, when IB sleuths in charge of the security of central government documents were doing random checks of some computers, they found that Paul had been sending alert messages to one particular e-mail address. That made them suspicious.

Paul was then put on watch, and it was noted that he had used a Pen Drive to copy huge amounts of data.

Although Paul was destroying data and e-mails, IB managed to trace what he did using a software "that goes backwards", sources said.

Paul was most probably providing information about the government's thinking on international relations and issues related to India's national security.

A source who has extensively dealt with CIA told rediff.com that when Major (retired) Rabinder Singh of the Research and Analysis Wing, who was working for the CIA, fled to the US in 2004 via Kathmandu using an American passport issued by a CIA officer in the US embassy in Nepal, it set off alarm bells.

But Singh was not the first intelligence officer to be recruited by the CIA in India. At least two senior officers -- one from RAW and Ratan Sehgal of IB -- were recruited by the CIA before that.

Sehgal was No 2 in the IB, and both the Indian officers had access to very sensitive intelligence.

Compared to them, Rabinder Singh had very little access to sensitive intelligence. And yet, the CIA was keen that he should not fall into the hands of Indian investigators, and went out of their way to help him reach the US.

This gave rise to suspicion in IB and RAW that he must have helped the CIA to recruit other officers with access to important intelligence.

Paul's arrest will help investigators in knowing more about the CIA's network and its connections, if any, to Singh's groundwork.

According to exclusive information available to rediff.com, when Singh's escape was being probed suspicion fell on another retired army officer close to him.

This Army man turned RAW officer was posted in New York, where the FBI allegedly established contact with him. Normally FBI "harasses" sleuths posted in the Indian embassy but this officer was handled softly by them.

He returned to RAW headquarters last year after completing his tenure but his wife took up a job in New York. Enquiries gave rise to suspicion that he probably belonged to the spy ring set up with Rabinder Singh's help. 

However, since no concrete evidence was found against him, he was prematurely retired and his passport cancelled to prevent him from fleeing to the US.

Recent reports about Brigadier U Dasgupta, director in charge of RAW's computers section, coming under a cloud of suspicion, and Paul's arrest show that the CIA, in addition to recruiting human agents, was also trying to penetrate the computer network of the intelligence and security agencies.

This is the second time the PMO has been penetrated by an intelligence agency.

In Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi's time French intelligence had penetrated the office of Principal Secretary Dr P C Alexander, and got hold of a large number of sensitive documents.

The United Progressive Alliance government has activated the security set-up. Currently it helps NSA Narayanan in co-ordinating the work of intelligence agencies, and prepares notes and assessments for the PM and the Strategic Policy Group.

Under the NDA government, it handled all paperwork relating to India 's nuclear command.

Apart from this, it services the work of the Task Force headed by K Subrahmaniam on Strategic Developments and Indo-US Relations, and the work of the National Security Advisory Board.

It is easy to understand why CIA wants to penetrate it.

If it secured access through Paul, then could lay its hands on sensitive information relating to India's national security and strategic issues. 

Since the NSCS came into being in the end of 1998, this is possibly the first time it has been penetrated.

It should come as no surprise that the CIA penetrated it despite the warming up of Indo-US relations. Such considerations do not prevent US intelligence from penetrating sensitive departments of even governments close to it.

A home ministry sources said at a time when Indo-US relations were about to make history, with US Congress set to pass the Indo-US nuclear deal , obviously New Delhi will not want to disclose many facts about the American woman's involvement in Paul's case.

07-08-2006, 01:39 AM

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NBA 'anti-national acts' under SC scanner 
Pioneer News Service | New Delhi
Anti-dam crusader Medha Patkar received a nasty jolt on Friday when the Supreme Court admitting a plea to investigate the anti-national activities of Narmada Bachao Andolan (NBA) issued notices to the Centre, Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh Governments, to respond on actions taken against Patkar's organisation. <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/specool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='specool.gif' />

Hearing a public interest litigation filed by a non-government organisation, the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL), the Bench of Chief Justice YK Sabharwal and Justice CK Thakker also issued notices to NBA and one Rahul Banerjee, alleged to be a close associate of NBA. Banerjee was arrested by the Madhya Pradesh police for receiving foreign funds on behalf of NBA into his bank accounts.

However, the Bench restrained from making Patkar a party in the case and served a notice through the NBA as sufficient material was not found personally against her. The court also did not entertain the petitioner's plea to let Central Bureau of Investigation investigate the case. The Bench opined that the stage had not yet arrived.

The petition was based on allegations against NBA in a vigilance report prepared by the Madhya Pradesh Government following an incident of firing in which four persons were killed. Police had swooped down on Rahul Banerjee, a close associate of NBA and seized several documents from his possession which indicated that the organisation had received US $ 42,000 from McArthur Foundation (USA) and Oxfam (UK) and Goldman Foundation.

The petition alleged these funds were used for running NBA secretariats and Jan Sahyog trusts and for lobbying in its favour in the USA. The vigilance report further indicated that a sum of more than Rs 35 lakh was deposited in various fictitious accounts maintained by Banerjee. In this regard, a first information report (FIR) was lodged in the State.

Raising its concern over the alleged "anti-national" activities of NBA, the petitioner through counsel Amar Dave contended that despite such serious charges being framed in the vigilance report, no action was being initiated against Patkar or the NGO by the State Governments.

The petition also highlights a slew of FIRs pending against Patkar for organising attacks on Government officials and creating hurdles in the smooth implementation of the various Government projects by vandalising rehabilitation centres, schools and hospitals. In this regard, the petitioner demanded the State Governments to submit an action taken report (ATR) based on the vigilance report and the investigation conducted.

In the past, the Madhya Pradesh Government in its affidavit submitted before the Supreme Court had conceded the role of NBA in discouraging people from taking up the rehabilitation packages offered by the State in lieu of displacement caused on account of construction of dam over river Narmada. Expressing satisfaction over the Supreme Court's verdict, NCCL president VK Saxena said, "this is a step in the right direction." Commenting on notices being issued by the court to NBA and Banerjee, he commented, "this has vindicated our stand that the NBA is engaging in anti-national activities which requires thorough investigation."

09-26-2006, 10:48 PM

<img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/india.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='india.gif' /> Parliament attack: Afzal to be hanged on Oct 20

Tuesday, September 26, 2006

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New Delhi: Mohammed Afzal, who was convicted for his role in the attack on India's Parliament in December 2001, will be hanged on October 20 at Delhi's Tihar Jail.

The Delhi High Court upheld the death sentence in October 2003. The sentence was confirmed by the Supreme Court on August 4, 2005.

On December 13, 2001, the Parliament was attacked by five militants who stormed into the compound and killed several security personnel.

The raid was the most daring of all attacks launched by terrorists.

Delivering a final verdict in the case, the Supreme Court passed a death sentence against Afzal for providing logistical support to the terrorists.

Professor SAR Geelani, an Arabic language teacher at Delhi University, was acquitted in the case.

10-03-2006, 04:14 PM

QUOTE
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=74593
'Blame terrorism on Hindus' 

Ahmedabad, September 28: Hindus were the first to bring terrorism in the country, followed by Sikhs, so to believe Islam as the fountainhead of terrorist activities in the country is a wrong proposition.

This was the take of eminent political philosopher Bhikhu Parekh, who was in the city to deliver the seventh Dr RL Sanghvi Endowment AMA Annual Lecture on Economics on âDialogue between Culturesâ at Ahmedabad Management Association.

ââTerrorist activities in the country were first started by Hindus, and even Sikhs contributed a great deal to it, so to blame Muslims through and through for terrorism in the country doesnât make sense,ââ he said addressing a media gathering post the event. 

ââIf 3 per cent of Indian Sikhs could wreck havoc on the entire country, 12 per cent Muslims should have devastated the country till now. If at all certain sections of Muslims are dissatisfied, we should probe why this is happening rather than blame ourselves,ââ he said.

ââNo Indian Muslims in Britain are clubbed as terrorists. There might be many reasons behind that. They are better educated, are economically well-off, and are culturally tolerant,ââ he added.

Skirting questions on the controversial Freedom of Religion (Amendment) Bill 2006 passed by the Gujarat Government, Parekh said conversion is a political issue that can be sorted out politically. âThere are conversions that are genuine. There are also conversions that might become commodity where there is inequality of power and economy. Conversion also might act as a power statement where politics is involved,ââ he said, adding, ââIf it is a political problem, it is politics alone that can sort out the problems involved.â 

Taking a potshot at the US, Parekh observed the misplaced idea of clash of civilisation as propagated by Samuel Huntington in the book by the same name and bought by the American government, was making us all sleepwalk in the Third Cold War.

10-11-2006, 04:57 PM

Hi All,
One of the many topics of Indian History that interest me is "The Treachery of the Muslim soldiers of the Hindu armies". For instance in the battle of Talikota in 1365 CE, one of the reasons given for the defeat of the State of Vijayanagara is the treachery of the Muslim (Turk) soldiers, employed in the army.
Another instance is that of the State of Jammu and Kashmir. Raja Hari Singh's army had Muslim soldiers and they were trusted more than the Hindu/Sikh soldiers. But when Pakistan raided Kashmir, these Muslim soldiers killed their Hindu/Sikh counterparts and sided with the Pakis. It was in 1947.
Couple of years back Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose was betrayed by his Muslim lieutenants of the Indian National Army and he faded into oblivion. Most of the Muslims soldiers of INA opted for Pakistan after the Partition. Habibur Rahman, Netaji's companion at the time and Shahnawaz Khan both have misled the several Commissions that were set up by the Government of India to investigate the disappearance of Netaji.
There is has been reports of treachery by Muslims in the current Indian military set up. See this http://www.hvk.org/articles/1205/58.html
The Indian History is full of such instances. Can anyone provide some more?

10-14-2006, 11:42 PM

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QUOTESocial Activists : The Terror B-team 
By Shachi Rairikar
T he entire nation stands horrified as our so-called "intellectuals", human rights and social activists campaign vigorously to save Afzal Guru, who masterminded the December 2001 attack on the Indian Parliament. The demand for clemency coming from the likes of Lone, Yasin Mallick, S. A. R. Geelani is not surprising as they all are self-admitted and declared separatists and anti-nationals. But it is deeply saddening to see the self proclaimed saviours of human rights and democracy volunteer all their strength to save the life of a person responsible for the most heinous crime - attack on our Parliament, the temple of democracy. Those seeking clemency for Afzal have never been seen extending sympathy and support to the victims of terrorism or to the families of the martyrs who sacrifice their lives fighting the terrorists. Nor do they seem to care about the plight of the families of those who might be abducted and held at ransom by terrorists to liberate Afzal Guru should his death sentence be commuted to life imprisonment.

One of the campaigners for clemency towards Afzal is the Magassassay Award winner and social activist Sandeep Pandey. Though Pandey claims to be a Gandhian, advocates peace, protests against India 's nuclear programme, he has no qualms in addressing communist conferences where violent naxalites, who kill government servants and innocent civilians, are honoured. Pandey is greatly pained for the alleged minority killings in Gujarat but does not have a word of sympathy for the three and half lakh Kashmiri pundits who were mercilessly driven out of their homeland. Instead he has been supporting the separatists in Kashmir , directly or indirectly. Like a typical communist, he does not have faith in the "traditional concept of nationalism". Asha and AID, two organisations that Pandey is associated with have been allegedly diverting funds raised from their chapters in universities of United States in the name of education, charity and development to communist and naxal activities.

Another activist, the Booker prize winner, Arundhati Roy, whose writings on Gujarat riots have been found to be full of fabricated lies, wants us to believe that "The Parliament attack case is full of fabricated stories and evidence". Her own track record reveals her separatist, anti-national leanings. She has been maligning India as invader of Kashmir and north-east in her international talks and had campaigned for the Delhi University Professor SAR Geelani, an accused in the attack on Parliament who on acquittal was fast to proclaim that he would continue to fight for the cause of Kashmir. Owing to her Christian upbringing, Roy borrows heavily from the international Church ideology of perceiving India as not a single nation but as multiple nations belonging to the many indigenous peoples. In her opinion Kashmir and north-east do not belong to India and have been illegally occupied by India.

Medha Patkar, whose Narmada Bachao Andolan began with the noble motive of ensuring proper rehabilitation of those displaced by the Sardar Sarovar Project, seems to have lost direction and reduced into a foreign mole with a one-point agenda of ensuring that the implementation of the project and the construction of the dam, which is seen as an important means for India's progress, is stopped. Patkar, against whom allegations of illegal activities in the name of supporting the dam displaced and illegally availing foreign funds have been made, has also joined the rhetoric for Afzal's clemency saying that death sentence to Afzal was a reflection of "terrorism by the establishment". Patkar exposed the skewed, strangely narrow mentality of her creed when she said, "The so-called secular Government at the Centre should consider the clemency appeal". What has secularism got to do with it? Does secularism imply that clemency be shown towards a terrorist who has committed the most heinous crime just because he belongs to the minority community? The communal mentality of the supposedly secular brigade to which Patkar belongs does not permit her to think beyond secular and communal, to think in the interest of the nation. Her perverted ideology prevents her from judging neutrally and compels her to perceive and project every issue as either secular or communal. In the eyes of the law, a terrorist is a terrorist and not a Muslim or a Hindu.

The civil rights activist Nandita Haksar is making a case for Afzal by wanting the nation to believe that "We Haven't Even Heard Afzal's Story". Ms. Haksar, we do not need to hear Afzal's story. We trust our judiciary to have done that and to have given a fair verdict. We would much rather hear the stories of the families of our security men who sacrificed their lives for the honour of their nation, an emotion that is of course alien to the likes of Haksar. Haksar writes, "Can the collective conscience of our people be satisfied if a fellow citizen is hanged without having a chance to defend himself? We have not even had a chance to hear Afzal's story. Hanging Mohammad Afzal will only be a blot on our democracy." As the Supreme Court has very correctly put it, "the collective conscience of the society will only be satisfied if capital punishment is awarded to the offender." The collective conscience of our people is with the innocent victims of terrorism and with our valorous defence and security personnel who endanger their lives so that we can live in peace. The collective conscience of our people is with those who never seem to matter to the so-called social activists.

None of these so-called activists were in sight when terrible bomb blasts took innocent lives in Delhi, Varanasi or Mumbai. For the activists in India , the common man, the victim of terrorism apparently is not human; or if he is, then he is not entitled to any rights unless he belongs to a religious minority community. For them human rights are reserved for the religious minorities, the basic qualification to have the social activists on one's side is that one should be a Muslim or a Christian. With this major qualification on one's side, it does not matter if one is guilty of heinous unpardonable crime, his "human" rights will be defended even though he might have impinged upon the basic rights of many innocent men and women.

Ish Gangania, sub-editor of Apeksha, a quarterly Hindi magazine from Delhi, and again a so-called "social activist" has quoted Haksar as having advocated in a conference organized by "All India Committee Against Death Penalty" at the Constitutional Club, New Delhi on May 21, 2004, "At individual level capital punishment must be given to the persons like George Bush, the president of USA, Narendra Modi â the chief minister of Gujarat, responsible for the massive massacres and Dara Singh â the killer of a German missionary â priest Graham Steins in Orissa a crime against humanity." Needless to say, in these cases Haksar does not feel the need to hear the other side of the story and can afford to be judgmental without trial as the alleged crimes were committed against Muslims and Christians. Haksar, a Supreme Court lawyer, had earlier defended SAR Geelani, another accused in the attack on Parliament and is married to Sebastian Hongray, an activist of the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN), Issac-Muviah group, a separatist group in the north-east working for the liberation of Nagaland. Thus the separatist, anti-national emotion runs in the family.

When the people of India, across the length and breadth, had appealed to Mahatma Gandhi to intercede and plead with the British Government for remission of Bhagat Singh's death sentence, Gandhiji had rejected the plea of the masses, pointing out that there could not be any compromise with violence as a means, even for a lofty end. In the light of this historical fact, the open letter to President A P J Abdul Kalam by Bhagat Singh's nephew, Professor Jagmohan Singh, and renowned filmmaker, peace activist Anand Patwardhan who is also a sympathizer of violent naxalites, to commute the death sentence of Afzal Guru, a traitor, saying that, "our country can honour Mahatma Gandhi and Shaheed Bhagat Singh by doing away with the death penalty altogether as there are many valid grounds for this," is grossly unjust to the principles the two great men lived and died for. It is not at all surprising that the Congress, which has dumped the Mahatma's principles and turned him into a poster boy, has allowed one of its Chief Ministers to appeal for compromise with violence and terrorism. However, it is indeed very shocking that the noted Gandhian, Nirmala Deshpande, has also joined the plea for clemency for a terrorist while her guru had refused to plead even for a patriot.

Past experiences confirm an interesting fact relating to this creed of activists, which is that they are most prone to receiving international awards. There are many known and unknown genuine social workers in our country who are toiling day in and day out for uplifting the society, who are not media seekers, who do not sit on useless dharnas but who actually work for and with the society in a constructive manner, to integrate all sections of the society rather than dividing the nation on the basis of class, caste and religion, instigating hatred, violence and separatism. These genuine godlike men and women, who sacrifice their all for the nation and its society, never seem to feature among the contenders for awards of international fame. The awards always go to the pro-minority, anti-Hindu, pseudo-secular social activists. Obviously international fame and awards act as bait and reward from the masters, a means of compensation and as inspiration for future endeavours for the activists. The objectives of the award giving agencies are definitely not pious.

It would be unfair to undermine the intelligence and the intellect of these well-educated, high profile people who have earned name and fame, carved a position for themselves in the society, by right or wrong means. We would be gravely mistaken if we consider them to be naÃ¯ve, uninformed or misled. With the kind of stature and exposure they enjoy, it would be grossly unjust to allow them the benefit of ignorance. They are not into politics, so unlike Congress and the other pseudo-secular political parties, they do not have to cater to vote-bank politics of minority appeasement. Thus, their support for the wrong and opposition to the right can be attributed only to malafide intentions. They are obviously sold out to fame, awards and pecuniary benefits that come from abroad.

These activists have their counterparts in the media too. A prominent section of the media, both national and international, especially in the English language, which, like its activist friends, seems to be sold out and owing loyalty to some powers from abroad, is always eager to harbour and promote anti-national sentiment and project these activists as heroes. This nexus between the media and the activists is dangerous as it intentionally misleads the entire nation.

These sympathizers of the separatists and anti-national elements lend moral and verbal support to the inhuman terrorists and naxalites who have taken thousands of innocent lives and project our brave defence and security personnel, who endanger and sacrifice their lives for the sake of millions everyday, as barbarians. They demoralize the nation, the defence and the civil population alike. They have no regard for the establishment and the country's judicial and legal systems. Though they keep harping on "democracy", they have little faith or regard for it. Their loyalties are definitely not towards the nation and they should, without any hesitation, be perceived and projected as what they truly are "traitors". They are the elite, sophisticated extensions of terrorism, the B-team of terrorists, who ensure that separatist feelings are nurtured, the terrorists are glorified and the nation suffers. It is high time that the nation wakes up to the reality, sees the wolves hidden in the sheepskins and dumps these sham activists. India can do much better without them.

**acharya** · 10-15-2006, 02:03 AM

http://www.haindavakeralam.org/PageModule....ID=2050&SKIN=B)
âSocial Activistsâ : The Terror B-team
10/11/2006 8:36:46 AM

10-29-2006, 08:35 AM

In Uncle Sam's secret serviceQUOTEAsk anyone in the intelligence fraternity about the mole factor and they would recount endless instances and how the establishment repeatedly looked the other way to escape embarrassment.

While stories abound the one that did the rounds most was of a former Defence Research and Development Organisation top official who later became scientific advisor to the defence minister in late 1980s. The official went to Maryland on study leave and quit the Indian establishment from there after joining a US think-tank.

Another senior bureaucrat of additional secretary rank in the defence establishment, immediately after his retirement in the 1980s, took up an American foundation fellowship and received a huge sum as stipend for his research project. Surprisingly, the bureaucrat's topic of research was the Indian missile programme, a responsibility he had handled during his government tenure.

In both these cases, the officials went on to do research for US institutions, and their study papers were on subjects somewhat identical to the expertise they had acquired after years of service in the government.

Though intelligence agencies here have not yet done any comprehensive study on the number of top bureaucrats and intelligence and military officials who have taken up jobs abroad, especially with US think-tanks and MNCs, a senior intelligence official claims the number is shocking.

"At a conservative estimate, 60% of RAW officials posted abroad have settled down in the country of their posting,"he says. Many of these officials have either settled down post-retirement or have taken premature retirement and joined institutions with interests inimical to India. A systematic leak of the country's vital defence preparedness is not ruled out. 

Rabinder Singh, a former joint secretary in RAW who held charge of South-East Asia before he went underground in May 2004, is another infamous case where the government failed to hold him back despite concrete evidence of his covert ties with American intelligence.

Though there are specific guidelines for Indian operatives and military brass choosing to settle down abroad, they are hardly followed. It's time the government revised its stand on the Golden Handshake, a popular practice followed by governments in the West to weed out undesirable elements from their intelligence set-up.

utepian · 11-03-2006, 08:53 PM

QUOTEKashmir Event at George Washington University

Washington, D.C. October 28, 2006. A presentation and discussion on
the subject âKashmir: Future Approachesâ was organized at George
Washington University, Marvin Center by PSA George Washington
University Rising Leaders, PALC and Kashmiri American Council /
Kashmir Center. The speakers included Mr. Tahir Iqbal, Minister of
Kashmir Affairs, Prof. William Baker, author of âKashmir: Happy
Valley, Valley of Deathâ; Prof. Angana Chatterji, Professor of
California Institute of Integral Studies, Mr. Mohammad Aslam Khan,
DCM, Embassy of Pakistan, Dr. Ghulam Nabi Fai, Executive Director,
Kashmiri American Council / Kashmir Center, Ms. Hafsa Kanjwal and
Sadia Sindhu, Georgetown University and Najm Haq of George
Washington University. The auditorium was full to capacity with
listening patiently, many standing for two and half hours.

Mr. Zafar Iqbal, Minister of Kashmir Affairs said that the movement
in Kashmir is not terrorism but a movement for independence of the
people of Kashmir . It is a movement to secure self-determination
that the UN Security Council pledged to provide the people of Jammu
and Kashmir as fat back as 1948. Mr. Iqbal emphasized that the
solution of Kashmir has to be reached by all parties, viz, India,
Pakistan and more importantly the people of Kashmir . He said that
the United States can play a very vital role in resolving the issue
of Kashmir . Kashmir being a nuclear flash point for war between
two important states both friendly to the USA .

Mr. Mohammad Aslam Khan, DCM, said that there cannot be peace in
occupied Kashmir as long as there is such intimidating presence of
troops - 700,000 Indian military and paramilitary forces.
Demilitarization, he said, will bring relief to the inhabitants of
the State of Jammu and Kashmir . He emphasized that Pakistan has
not changed its principled stand on Kashmir , which is to secure
the exercise of the right of self-determination. However, Pakistan
is ready to explore gradual steps by which the right of the people
of Kashmir can be secured.

Dr. Ghulam Nabi Fai said that the people of Kashmir endorse the
CBMâs initiated by the leadership of both India and Pakistan
because CBMâs have diffused some of the tension between hostile
neighbors. But the CBMâs, Dr. Fai said, have entailed a problem.
They can lend an appearance of normalcy to the situation in Kashmir
. He agreed with Mr. Kuldip Nayar, former Indian High Commissioner
to the United Kingdom , who wrote that: âtrappings of normality
should not be mistaken for actual normality. True, the atmosphere
is better than before. But this should not make us infer that we
have found a solution to the Kashmir problem. If this were so, the
alienation in the valley would have largely disappeared. The army
would have withdrawn its forces in a larger proportionâ.

Dr. Fai warned that we do not need to invoke principles if that
would not help launch the peace process. We have seen all too
often how easily principles can be twisted and misinterpreted. But
some fundamental principles involved in the Kashmir dispute cannot
be ignored. There are two: 1) it is the inherent right of the
people of Kashmir to decide their future according to their own
free will; 2) it is impossible to ascertain that will except
through a vote under impartial supervision in conditions free of
coercion, fear and intimidation.

Dr. Fai reiterated that Kashmir is not and cannot be regarded as an
integral part of India because under all international agreements
between India and Pakistan, negotiated at the United Nations,
endorsed by the Security Council and accepted by the international
community, Kashmir does not belong to any member state of the
United Nations. If that is true, then the claim that Kashmir is an
integral part of India does not stand.

Prof. Angana Chatterji said that over 500,000 Indian troops remain
deployed in Jammu and Kashmir, including from paramilitary forces,
federal armed forces, and Jammu and Kashmir Rifles. The
army-civilian ratio in Kashmir of approximately 5.5 million people
is one soldier per 11 persons. There is an absence of transparency
connected to decision-making processes utilized by the armed
forces. She emphasized that there is growing concern among civil
society groups about human rights crises in Indian-occupied Kashmir
in the areas of social, political, cultural, religious, and
economic rights. The premise and structure of impunity connected to
military rule and corresponding human rights abuses bear witness to
the absence of accountability inherent to the continued occupation
of (certain areas of) Kashmir by the Indian state.

Prof William Baker said that Kashmir today is locked in a death
struggle for survival and the right of self-determination. This
historic Valley of beauty has become a Valley of death. He said: a
country of thirteen million inhabitants face on a daily basis, the
bullets and brutality of an occupation army of Indian soldiers.
One is hard pressed to discover any comparable contemporary
conflict capable of possessing an equal amount of naked brutality,
inhumanity and intolerance as that experienced by the Kashmiri
people over the past fifty nine years under occupation.

Brigadier Â® Usman Khalid
Director London Institute of South Asia
www.lisauk.com

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11-17-2006, 05:56 AM

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utepian · (This post was last modified: 11-17-2006, 09:12 AM by utepian.)

For those having problems viewing the paper clipping (image) from Kashivarta, please see the Jago-Hindustani blog (source of paper-clipping), which really quotes India-forum <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/specool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='specool.gif' />

Ordinary people (women mostly really) screaming "Sandeep Pandey vapas jaao" means the message for Pandey from the hoi-polloi was loud and clear. The paper quotes that local people were united in their stance that people like Pandey were there only to steal their livelihood gave a "muh todd jawab" to his gimmics!

02-25-2007, 08:32 AM

QUOTEFOSA justifies death of Hindu ChildrenÂ 
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FOSA justifies death of Hindu Children

In a rare instance of cooperation from Pakistanis in FOSA, it is learned that FOSA has prepared a letter for the New York Times in which it justifies the killing of sixty Hindu passengers - a third of who were children - at Godhra in 2002. Aghast by the apathy towards loss of lives and condemnation of the dead, the Pakistani under terms of anonymity communicated with this website revealing the gross anti-Hindu mindset of its members.

FOSAâs displeasure sparked when the New York Times filed a report on the tragedy that befell the Samjhauta Express. In that the Times had quoted as follows "In 2002, Hindu-Muslim riots broke out after a train fire killed 60 Hindus returning from a religious pilgrimage. Muslims were blamed for the fire in the western state of Gujarat, and more than 1,000 people, most of them Muslim, were killed by Hindu mobs."

In a response that is yet to be published by the Times, FOSA alleges âThose killed in the 2002 incident were not "Hindus returning from a religious pilgrimage," but, as contemporary news reports tell us, most were returning from a political rally demanding construction of a temple at the site of a 400-year-old mosque destroyed by a Hindu mob in 1992.â

It must be remembered that 20 of the 58 passengers that were most abominably charred to death were children. It is FOSAâs opinion that these children were political rallyists. Moreover for a group that proclaims itself as a peace group and a voice for the people, the tone of the letter is clear that the death was a deserving climax for ordinary citizens attending a political rally.

We are happy to present the letter in full that FOSA has sent to the Times. Our informed Pakistani source also revealed the mechanism with which FOSA operates in wording its letters. It may come as a surprise to the Timesâ editors (if they choose to publish this letter) that FOSA considers them profuse with âracist attitudesâ â and therefore the artful wording in the letter. In a rare glimpse into the inner workings of FOSA, we also present the complete discussion from the moment it was evoked till the final wording was endorsed and sent off.

FOSA â Friends of South Asia - is a group of Pakistanis in San Franciscoâs bay area that masquerades as Indians under the all-embracing umbrella of âSouth Asiaâ. They are known to have courted radical Indian communists and Jehadi terrorists. In March 2003 a FOSA volunteer, writing in Pakistanâs Daily Times accused the Indian army of massacring villagers in Nadimarg. Later that year, FOSA volunteers were seen promoting an ISI sponsored event in Washington DC called âBeyond the Blame Game: Grounds for Peace and Justice in Kashmirâ. The event was reported in Indian media as an anti-India rhetoric. In summer of 2005 FOSA volunteers were seen carrying placards that read âAllah will destroy the terrorist state of Indiaâ.

The Letter
Dear Editor,

As members of Friends of South Asia, we see the deadly fire-bombing of the Samjhauta Express [World, Feb. 19, AP report] as an act of sabotage against two peoples striving for peace. We are dismayed by the misleading allusions in your article to the train fire in Gujarat in 2002. Those killed in the 2002 incident were not "Hindus returning from a religious pilgrimage," but, as contemporary news reports tell us, most were returning from a political rally demanding construction of a temple at the site of a 400-year-old mosque destroyed by a Hindu mob in 1992. Additionally, it is irresponsible to repeat the claim that "Muslims were blamed for the fire in the western state of Gujarat" without also mentioning that numerous forensic studies, official and non-governmental, and the report of the official judicial commission of inquiry concluded that the fire in 2002 was an accident internal to the train, and not the deliberate act of anyone outside the train, Muslim or not.

To see a newspaper of record fanning the flames of sectarian hatred by reproducing such careless reporting is disappointing and frightening to all of us working towards a peaceful and hate-free South Asia .

Sincerely,

Girish Agrawal, Sabahat Ashraf, Yasmeen Fatimah, Shalini Gera, Anu Mandavilli, Balaji Narasimhan, Aamir Qureshi, Roshni Rustomji, Ramkumar Sridharan

Note: Friends of South Asia is a San Francisco Bay area based group.

Friends of South Asia

P.O. Box 64389
Sunnyvale, CA 94088-4389
Phone: 408-480-5805
Fax: 928-395-2998
mail@friendsofsouth asia.org

www.FriendsOfSouthAsia.org

The Chatter

aamir q

"In 2002, Hindu-Muslim riots broke out after a train fire killed 60 Hindus returning from a religious pilgrimage. Muslims were blamed for the fire in the western state of Gujarat, and more than 1,000 people, most of them Muslim, were killed by Hindu mobs."

It's such a pity that the Hindutva brigade has been able to convince the media to call the people returning from Ayodhya as pilgrims!!

Secondly, how the heck could the media include "muslims were blamed for the fire" and not point out that subsequent investigations proved the fire to be accidental.

aamir q

Re: [FOSA-bayarea] Re: Letter to the NYT

I had noticed that it was from AP and that it wasn't mentioned out of NYT bias. Didn't read the last version of the letter, but at least the initial versions weren't criticizing NYT for a bias but what you mentioned - ignorace.

Anu Mandavilli <> wrote:

hi all,

just an update that the letter to NYT was mailed out this afternoon- per the NYT's (automated) reply, we'll know next week if it'll be published.

While the FOSA letter takes a principled stand on the matter, I'm not sure Aamir's comparison of the Washington Post article and the NYT piece is appropriate- for one, the NYT story was obviously a straight feed from the AP wires. As you might have noted, the story was posted on the NYT's website at 1.27 A.M. E.S.T, (in the immediate aftermath of the blasts in India), and was probably (minimally) processed by some lowly intern working the graveyard shift. I think it'd be a mistake to see that one para as indicative of the NYT's overall editorial policy. (Also, wholesale re-use of the wires is extremely common, especially in the case of International news/news of disasters, and does not really point to any particular shoddiness on the part of the NYT).

To me, that particular paragraph was much more representative of the sanctioned ignorance on the part of AP reporters about the context of Gujarat 2002 (and also about India, and the developing world in general), than of anti-muslim bias on the part of the NYT (irrespective of how anti-, or pro-muslim one finds the NYT at other times). I would also see this as yet another example of the solipsism of U.S. media in general, which, as some might know, was historically encouraged in tandem with the U.S.'s isolationist foreign policy.

Anyhoo, I hope it is clear that I am not denying the existence of racist attitudes amongst reporters/editors, (whether at the NYT or elsewhere) or that these attitudes inform the kind of stories that are produced. My point is that while it is sometimes important to take a position as a matter of principle, our collective indignation must also be tempered somewhat with an acknowledgement of the realities of newsroom routines and judicious use of our powers of tarring and feathering.

my 2 cents,
Anu

aamir q <> wrote:

The letter is done!!

Going ahead, a couple of things -

When I pointed the NYT article out, it was meant to be a reminder that despite subsequent investigations, the media is stuck on the theory being circulated in 2002 (that muslims burnt the train etc). Seems that the reporting varies across different media outlets -- Yasmeen found that Washington Post mentioned that subsequent investigations doubted the claims that muslims burnt the train. Post also pointed out that in the past hindu extremist organizations have threatened to sabotage the train.

But, lets keep an eye on articles that are written in the same vein as the NYT article - given that some people have worked so hard on the letter, it would make sense that the FOSA letter gets posted to any newspaper we find tarroting the line "muslims burnt the train". Ofcourse, it will be exactly the same letter with the same signatures - we don't have to repeat the process :-) 

Secondly, given that the hindu extremists have in the past threatened to sabotage the train (as mentioned in the Post article), how is it that nobody is even asking for their role to be investigated? Shouldn't the media be pressing for that?

Hi Roshni, others,

Here's a version that, I think, can be final. A few changes from what Roshni sent out, nothing major, but I have tightened the language some and deleted some repetition. I've added the names - in last-name alphabetical order, of all the people who have chimed in so far, and Roshni can add any other names she may have by now. I think we can leave it up to the NYT editors to drop or retain names based on the space their policy. I've also added FOSA contact information. The length of the letter is 195 words - not counting the salutation & signatures.

-girish

utepian · 02-25-2007, 10:37 AM

QUOTEit would make sense that the FOSA letter gets posted to any newspaper we find tarroting the line "muslims burnt the train". Ofcourse, it will be exactly the same letter with the same signatures - we don't have to repeat the process :-)

Wow!!! How original.

The whole thread is an eye opener.

02-25-2007, 11:04 AM

We should send above to media and let them know how these low level scums manipulate media and propagate false information.

02-25-2007, 11:38 AM

QUOTEMy point is that while it is sometimes important to take a position as a matter of principle, our collective indignation must also be tempered somewhat with an acknowledgement of the realities of newsroom routines and judicious use of our powers of tarring and feathering.

hmm..

02-26-2007, 09:01 PM

FOSA Leaks As Comrades Squeal 
Ari Saja

03-31-2007, 10:36 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurmit_Singh_Aulakh

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