03-21-2006, 12:46 PM
Jews are nonentities.
at a mere 5 nobel laureates, you know where indians finish on that scale (the one which puts jews - 150+ - as non-entities)
If you look at the history of the
development of languages,
hebrew is the only other language apart from sanskrit, that is phonetically sound enough to produce the right patterns on a tonoscope
writing, linguistics,
some of the greatest writers ever are jews.
earliest religious literature,
for a small tribe, (as different from a populous civilization), they have produced quite a bit of top quality literature, though some of it was indeed plagiarised from Sumerian and Chaldean cultures.
the great epics,
only flourishing civilizations have produced epics. there are only 4 to wit in the whole world. if writting epics becomes the sole crieteria, then the inca, maya, aztec, persian, roman civilizations are all non-entities !!
plays, drama,
given that they have not had a land even to their name since 2000 years, you dont expect them to write plays. but they have even done a lot of that, only not very ancient ones. this years nobel winner for literature is also a jewish playwright.
yoga,
yoga???
how much have indians contributed to lets say unini system of medicine (as an example of something that isnt indian at all)
mathematics,
omg...... without jews we would not have math and physics as we know it now. indians are non-entities here.
astronomy,
again, classical astronomy is a product of florishing civilizations, not a wandering tribe of people without a land to their name. still they have done a lot in modern astronomy as well if that helps.
astrology,
a highly doubious subject. indians reign supreme here!!
medicine, surgery, sexology,
name the father of genetics will ya??
classical/ancient medicine - not much, but lok at their contribution in medicine for the last 500 years or so.
music, dance, art,
you are either a philistine or lived in mars all along to suggest that jews havent contributed more than their fair share in music, art and dance.
again, given that they are only about 20 million people, and homeless and on the wrong end of pogroms for the most part of their existance, we should let them off the hook for not producing composers and painters during the middle ages.
archtecture,
not possible for a homeless people to have archetecture.
but still, if it helps, in the 20th century, some of the greatest archetects on both sides of the second world war, were jews.
the great philosophical systems,
again, the product of a civilization, not a 20 million odd wondering tribe. still for what its worth the rabbinical traditions have produced considerable wisdom.
legal works,
top lawyers in usa today, & in zurich and vienna in middle ages, etc etc were almost invariably jews. remember most of western law is based on OT traditions and draws heavily from the jewish habit of trying to regulate society.
statecraft,
woops....ever since joshua (if i remember right) became prime minister of egypt, to benjamin d'israeli, who was prime minister of england, to some of the top diplomats on either side of the cold war, to the one and only david ben gurion.
metallurgy,
you included every trade you know of did u??
invention of gunpowder,
the latest automatic gun that shoots round corners was invented by a florida based american jew.
printing
and countless other things that have led up to the modern world
civilization of today - people and nations that figure in are India,
Egypt, China, Greece and Rome, primarily. The Middle East is a
zero with the exception of Egypt.
india last figured in 1100 a.d.
china to at similar times.
rome scores most highly - you cant imagine how many things in the modern world go back to romans - who if Dhu is to be believed, are a quarted semetic by genetic stock.
and i sincerely hope that you have heard of Sumeria, Chaldea and Mesopotamea and the twin rivers of Tigris and Euphrates that gave rise to them.
There are any number of books that show that the Old Testament
is nothing but a collection of stolen material from the literatures
of nations where Jews were slaves.
the law of moses and their flood myth (Gilgamesh) and 6 day creation concept (Enuma Elish) are all plagiarised yes. yet, even discounting that, you cant just write off all the advice dispensed in the jewish religious works.
Any thoughtful and intelligent person who reads the Old Testament
will come away disgusted.
true. the OT is tribal history at best - and very guresome at that.
BUT THAT WAS THE CRUX OF MY QUESTION - THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE THE MOTHER OFF ALL ERRORS AND HAVE COME UP WITH LAWS WHICH COULD PUT THE SHARIAT TO SHAME, SEEM TO HAVE 8/10 GOD GIFTED PEOPLE BORN AMONGST THEM AND HAVE ALWAYS WIELDED AN INFLUENCE OVER WORLD AFFAIRS FAR IN DISPROPORTION TO THEIR LIMITED NUMBERS. HOW SO?
Judaism is too crude, too primitive and too
gross.
judaic law yes. the judaic way (ie. prophetism) of trying to convince people to adopt their way of life, yes.
not all of judaism though. quite a few valid points are made in the books of the greater judaic traditions.
That's why some people - who had never even visited the Middle
East - created what's called Christianity in Rome to replace Judaism.
judaism was never present much in Rome !!!
where did you pull this one off from???
before being christians, the romans were followers of Mithraism.
and Christianity was created by Saul/paul/shaul
And they wrote the New Testament in Greek by hijacking much of
their "New" material from Hindu-Buddhist literature.
as also other literature. none of the apostoles were particularly wise people.
If you take away
what's from India, the New Testament would be just as crude,
primitive and gross as the Old Testament. Christianity would never
have come into existence.
if the roman king (i forgot his name) in his search for a new religion had not taken a liking for christianity, then there would be no christianity yes.
but this thread has little to do with christianity or christians.
nor did i ever try to defend the crudeness and ruthlessness (not to mention the absurdity) of Prophetic Ot.
<b>if you had read my OP correctly, my question was about the people Jews and how they can be so remarkable, despite living their lives along the lines of such a macabre book, despite being only 20 million strong (at their maximum) and despite often living in such trying circumstances and thats for 2000+ years</b>.
at a mere 5 nobel laureates, you know where indians finish on that scale (the one which puts jews - 150+ - as non-entities)
If you look at the history of the
development of languages,
hebrew is the only other language apart from sanskrit, that is phonetically sound enough to produce the right patterns on a tonoscope
writing, linguistics,
some of the greatest writers ever are jews.
earliest religious literature,
for a small tribe, (as different from a populous civilization), they have produced quite a bit of top quality literature, though some of it was indeed plagiarised from Sumerian and Chaldean cultures.
the great epics,
only flourishing civilizations have produced epics. there are only 4 to wit in the whole world. if writting epics becomes the sole crieteria, then the inca, maya, aztec, persian, roman civilizations are all non-entities !!
plays, drama,
given that they have not had a land even to their name since 2000 years, you dont expect them to write plays. but they have even done a lot of that, only not very ancient ones. this years nobel winner for literature is also a jewish playwright.
yoga,
yoga???
how much have indians contributed to lets say unini system of medicine (as an example of something that isnt indian at all)
mathematics,
omg...... without jews we would not have math and physics as we know it now. indians are non-entities here.
astronomy,
again, classical astronomy is a product of florishing civilizations, not a wandering tribe of people without a land to their name. still they have done a lot in modern astronomy as well if that helps.
astrology,
a highly doubious subject. indians reign supreme here!!
medicine, surgery, sexology,
name the father of genetics will ya??
classical/ancient medicine - not much, but lok at their contribution in medicine for the last 500 years or so.
music, dance, art,
you are either a philistine or lived in mars all along to suggest that jews havent contributed more than their fair share in music, art and dance.
again, given that they are only about 20 million people, and homeless and on the wrong end of pogroms for the most part of their existance, we should let them off the hook for not producing composers and painters during the middle ages.
archtecture,
not possible for a homeless people to have archetecture.
but still, if it helps, in the 20th century, some of the greatest archetects on both sides of the second world war, were jews.
the great philosophical systems,
again, the product of a civilization, not a 20 million odd wondering tribe. still for what its worth the rabbinical traditions have produced considerable wisdom.
legal works,
top lawyers in usa today, & in zurich and vienna in middle ages, etc etc were almost invariably jews. remember most of western law is based on OT traditions and draws heavily from the jewish habit of trying to regulate society.
statecraft,
woops....ever since joshua (if i remember right) became prime minister of egypt, to benjamin d'israeli, who was prime minister of england, to some of the top diplomats on either side of the cold war, to the one and only david ben gurion.
metallurgy,
you included every trade you know of did u??
invention of gunpowder,
the latest automatic gun that shoots round corners was invented by a florida based american jew.
printing
and countless other things that have led up to the modern world
civilization of today - people and nations that figure in are India,
Egypt, China, Greece and Rome, primarily. The Middle East is a
zero with the exception of Egypt.
india last figured in 1100 a.d.
china to at similar times.
rome scores most highly - you cant imagine how many things in the modern world go back to romans - who if Dhu is to be believed, are a quarted semetic by genetic stock.
and i sincerely hope that you have heard of Sumeria, Chaldea and Mesopotamea and the twin rivers of Tigris and Euphrates that gave rise to them.
There are any number of books that show that the Old Testament
is nothing but a collection of stolen material from the literatures
of nations where Jews were slaves.
the law of moses and their flood myth (Gilgamesh) and 6 day creation concept (Enuma Elish) are all plagiarised yes. yet, even discounting that, you cant just write off all the advice dispensed in the jewish religious works.
Any thoughtful and intelligent person who reads the Old Testament
will come away disgusted.
true. the OT is tribal history at best - and very guresome at that.
BUT THAT WAS THE CRUX OF MY QUESTION - THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE THE MOTHER OFF ALL ERRORS AND HAVE COME UP WITH LAWS WHICH COULD PUT THE SHARIAT TO SHAME, SEEM TO HAVE 8/10 GOD GIFTED PEOPLE BORN AMONGST THEM AND HAVE ALWAYS WIELDED AN INFLUENCE OVER WORLD AFFAIRS FAR IN DISPROPORTION TO THEIR LIMITED NUMBERS. HOW SO?
Judaism is too crude, too primitive and too
gross.
judaic law yes. the judaic way (ie. prophetism) of trying to convince people to adopt their way of life, yes.
not all of judaism though. quite a few valid points are made in the books of the greater judaic traditions.
That's why some people - who had never even visited the Middle
East - created what's called Christianity in Rome to replace Judaism.
judaism was never present much in Rome !!!
where did you pull this one off from???
before being christians, the romans were followers of Mithraism.
and Christianity was created by Saul/paul/shaul
And they wrote the New Testament in Greek by hijacking much of
their "New" material from Hindu-Buddhist literature.
as also other literature. none of the apostoles were particularly wise people.
If you take away
what's from India, the New Testament would be just as crude,
primitive and gross as the Old Testament. Christianity would never
have come into existence.
if the roman king (i forgot his name) in his search for a new religion had not taken a liking for christianity, then there would be no christianity yes.
but this thread has little to do with christianity or christians.
nor did i ever try to defend the crudeness and ruthlessness (not to mention the absurdity) of Prophetic Ot.
<b>if you had read my OP correctly, my question was about the people Jews and how they can be so remarkable, despite living their lives along the lines of such a macabre book, despite being only 20 million strong (at their maximum) and despite often living in such trying circumstances and thats for 2000+ years</b>.