05-23-2007, 12:35 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-23-2007, 12:38 AM by Bharatvarsh.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->nd how exactly did you arrive at a magical figure of 75%?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
maybe if you go check the 2001 census of India then you will know, according to evangelical figures the actual xtian % is 4%, 80% was the figure drawn up through census back then but it did not count in the crypto xtians and certain areas census were not taken.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What percentage of Sikhs, according to you, actually believe in the ideology of âKhalistanâ?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How would I know, whether or not they believe in Khalistan they do not wish to be called Hindus or is that too hard for you to understand?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This figure of 800 million, according to you, after excluding which all communities from Hinduism?
And according to you, it is better to let various Hindu communities keep drifting away from Hinduism rather than making an effort to try to unite Hindus as making such an effort is akin to begging in your eyes.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Over 800 million if you exclude all Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists.
You don't even have the courage to deal with quotes showing the separateness of "Sikhism" by Sikhs but want to bring them all together.
And by the way how exactly are you defining "Hinduism" here because it's upon that fundamental point this whole debate stands, many Hindus claim Vedas as the central authority but that applies neither to Jains, Buddhists nor Sikhs.
Obviously it's begging if you can't realise that since nearly a century the idea of a distinct Sikh identity became dominant and evidently Hindus still can't come to terms with it.
And I don't think all this hunky dory bringing together is happening by your generalised comments about British East African Indians and Sikhs, imagine labelling the whole community as bigots and nuts and then expecting them to join you.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And how exactly did this concept of âslave mentalityâ and âBritish saving usâ come into the original discussion of your claiming âI am concerned it is futile to argue for a Hindu identity for Sikhs since they don't want to be labeled as suchâ
And, simply because some Hindus may claim Sikhism as part of Hinduism automatically brands these Hindus (making such an assertion) as âlosersâ? Also, personally I have not heard many Hindus claiming âSikhs saved usâ. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's one thing to claim "Sikhs are Hindus" and then deal with Sikh seperatist claims objectively and another to keep repeating the same nonsense over and over, that certainly is the trait of a desperate loser.
If you think Sikhs are Hindus, then how do you propose to deal with the quotes I presented, they will not simply vanish into thin air because we don't like them.
Of course you don't see cuz I doubt you bother to read any Hindu forums, as an example check the message board of Hindu Voice UK to find such idiots.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, unlike you, I donât live in this LALA land where âof course the obedient Hindu nods his head and agreesâ<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well everyone can see who lives in lala land, the one who keeps on repeating the same thing or the one who takes into consideration the opinion of the community under consideration.
It must be some bridge building to have all Hindus chant "Sikhs are Hindus" while ignoring what Sikhs themselves think they are.
maybe if you go check the 2001 census of India then you will know, according to evangelical figures the actual xtian % is 4%, 80% was the figure drawn up through census back then but it did not count in the crypto xtians and certain areas census were not taken.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What percentage of Sikhs, according to you, actually believe in the ideology of âKhalistanâ?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How would I know, whether or not they believe in Khalistan they do not wish to be called Hindus or is that too hard for you to understand?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This figure of 800 million, according to you, after excluding which all communities from Hinduism?
And according to you, it is better to let various Hindu communities keep drifting away from Hinduism rather than making an effort to try to unite Hindus as making such an effort is akin to begging in your eyes.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Over 800 million if you exclude all Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists.
You don't even have the courage to deal with quotes showing the separateness of "Sikhism" by Sikhs but want to bring them all together.
And by the way how exactly are you defining "Hinduism" here because it's upon that fundamental point this whole debate stands, many Hindus claim Vedas as the central authority but that applies neither to Jains, Buddhists nor Sikhs.
Obviously it's begging if you can't realise that since nearly a century the idea of a distinct Sikh identity became dominant and evidently Hindus still can't come to terms with it.
And I don't think all this hunky dory bringing together is happening by your generalised comments about British East African Indians and Sikhs, imagine labelling the whole community as bigots and nuts and then expecting them to join you.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And how exactly did this concept of âslave mentalityâ and âBritish saving usâ come into the original discussion of your claiming âI am concerned it is futile to argue for a Hindu identity for Sikhs since they don't want to be labeled as suchâ
And, simply because some Hindus may claim Sikhism as part of Hinduism automatically brands these Hindus (making such an assertion) as âlosersâ? Also, personally I have not heard many Hindus claiming âSikhs saved usâ. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's one thing to claim "Sikhs are Hindus" and then deal with Sikh seperatist claims objectively and another to keep repeating the same nonsense over and over, that certainly is the trait of a desperate loser.
If you think Sikhs are Hindus, then how do you propose to deal with the quotes I presented, they will not simply vanish into thin air because we don't like them.
Of course you don't see cuz I doubt you bother to read any Hindu forums, as an example check the message board of Hindu Voice UK to find such idiots.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, unlike you, I donât live in this LALA land where âof course the obedient Hindu nods his head and agreesâ<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well everyone can see who lives in lala land, the one who keeps on repeating the same thing or the one who takes into consideration the opinion of the community under consideration.
It must be some bridge building to have all Hindus chant "Sikhs are Hindus" while ignoring what Sikhs themselves think they are.