<!--QuoteBegin-Vikram+Mar 30 2005, 03:12 AM-->QUOTE(Vikram @ Mar 30 2005, 03:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Denial of Ancestry? I just accept the true one. Not some theory created by a Jew. Indians are a Caucasian subspecies, I wonder how they ended up there. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are in complete denial, for you are perhaps afraid of facing the truth. You can dream and be deluded into thinking what you wish, but DNA and Archeological evidence supports my position. Caucasians are genetically, AND Culturally at the receiving end from Indians. Genes apart, Science, civilization, language and ethics came to them from India.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Will Durant, (1885-1981) American historian</b>
India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe's languages: she was the mother of our philosophy; mother, through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics; mother, through the Buddha, of the ideals embodied in Christianity; mother, through the village community, of self-government and democracy. Mother India is in many ways the mother of us all.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Mark Twain</b>
India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most astrictive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only!"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA </b>
India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Inef,
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Who is Bill White ??
Ashok Kumar..
That means packroaches are veggie ?? <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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This is because Europeans are extremely addicted to sex. They are basically Asuras and Rakshasas according to the Vedic classification.
So when they see some bollywood actress who is sexually appealing they foolishly think this must be the original "Aryan". <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Funny, how they think that we're the perverts, who are desperately obsessed with the "superior beauty" of white people, and are willing to do anything to be with a white person. <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rolleyes.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Funny, how they think that we're the perverts, who are desperately obsessed with the "superior beauty" of white people, and are willing to do anything to be with a white person. <!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rolleyes.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rupa, Worshipping the whites(whiteness) is not just Indian phenomenon. Every colonized culture exhibits that behavior. To give a sample of that, here is an extract from Asian American point of view on the same subject.
Opened a new thread. Let this thread be for its original purpose - Races and Rgveda.
Thanks.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Seven generations of suppresssion under legislative racism and euphemised white racist love has left today's Asian-America in a state of self-contempt, self-rejection and disintegration. We have been encouraged to believe that we have no cultural integrity as Chinese and Japanese Americans, that we are either Asian (Chinese or Japanese) or American (white), or are measurably both. This myth of being either/or and the equally goofy concept of the dual personality haunted our lobes while our rejection by both Asia and white America proved we were neither one nor the other. Nor were we half and half or more one than the other. Neither Asian culture nor American culture was equipped to define us except in the most superficial terms; however, American culture was equipped to deny us the legitimacy of our uniqueness as American minorities, did so, and in the process contributed to the effect of stunting self-contempt on the development and expression of our sensibility that in turn has contributed to a mass rejection of Chinese and Japanese America by Chinese and Japanese Americans. The Japanese-American Citizens League (JACL) weekly, the Pacific Citizen , in February 1972 reported that over 50% of Japanese-American women getting marrried, were marrying outside their race, and that the figure was rising annually. Available statistics indicate a similar rising trend among Chinese-American women, though the 50% mark may not have been topped yet. These figures say something about our sensibility, our concept of Chinese and Japanese Americas, our self-esteem, as does our partly real and partly mythic silence in American culture. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Sunder+Mar 30 2005, 03:21 AM-->QUOTE(Sunder @ Mar 30 2005, 03:21 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->
You are in complete denial, for you are perhaps afraid of facing the truth. You can dream and be deluded into thinking what you wish, but DNA and Archeological evidence supports my position. Caucasians are genetically, AND Culturally at the receiving end from Indians. Genes apart, Science, civilization, language and ethics came to them from India.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Hahaha, I bet. You can see it in their physical features and their conquering of India. Good one.
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You are in complete denial, for you are perhaps afraid of facing the truth. You can dream and be deluded into thinking what you wish, but DNA and Archeological evidence supports my position. Caucasians are genetically, AND Culturally at the receiving end from Indians. Genes apart, Science, civilization, language and ethics came to them from India.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Hahaha, I bet. You can see it in their physical features and their conquering of India. Good one. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am not sure if you are good at debating. But you lack seriousness in proving your point. Laugh loud, but also post an answer to my question. i.e. DNA/Archeological evidence to your stance.
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:08 pm Post subject: Dravidian and Aryan Myths
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I quote Sir.John Marshall, in his book Mohenja-dara and Indus Valley Civilisation, vol-1 Page vi-viii says:
"Taken as a whole, the Indus Valley people's religion is so Charesteristicaly Indian as hardly to be distinguished from still surviving Hinduism....
One thing that stands out both at Mohenjadara and Harappa is that the Civilisation hitherto revealed at these two places is not an incipent civilisation, but one already age-old and sterotyped on Indian soil, wit many millennia of human Endeavour behind it."
Now please note that Hindusthan or Hindu is not from Sindu river, but "the Landmass between Himalyas and Indu Maga Samudram" and this place is Hindustan and people are Hindus and the book of ESTHER of Old Testament calls India as Hodu a minor variation of Hindu.
Sanskrit and Tamil are two eyes of India and the Father and Mother of World Languages", and because Sanskrit had a 6th Century BCE , Grammer of Panini, Europeans said that Such a Knowledge cannot be Indian, and came the Fradulant Aryan Theory. Now any Indian who calls Aryan or Dravidian a section of Indians, they believe Indians are incapable of Knowledge and Civilisation.
Christian Falsehood to "Divide and Rule and Convert" should be confronted with facts.
Politicians for their personal growth wants Tamils to be Divided, and hate Tamilans-Brahmins, Tholkappiar was A BRAhmin.
Solomon
DRAVIDIAN MOVEMENT- WHAT IS IT?
The Europeans seeing that India has the mother of all their Languages- Sanskrit and Tamil, and Much Superior Divine contacts than the much confused Hebrews.
Portughese, first under Loyala and later by Fransis Xavier, broke each and every temple in Goa, then Inquisition was brought. "Anybody who has ANy God idols are helping Brahmins can be killed", this was Xavier wanted law. Robert DENObili, tried deception, he staying in Madurai, during Naicker Period, was required to read Tamil and Telugu but also required SANSKRIT, made a fraud Veda, called Yesur Veda, but failed miserably, and caught for fraud, left Madurai and died lonely in Chennai, and his converts remained less than 300 by all deception means.
One Colonel.Boden, who served in India for morethan 2 decades, felt bad on failure of Conversion Business, Pledged Huge Amount to OXford University for Sanskrit Scholarship, to help Missonaries.
Came RajaRamMohanrai, wel versant in Sanskrit and Persian, other than Bengali and English, Learned HEBREW, GREEK AND LATIN and found Brahmo SAmaj,
British who felt his ideals are closer to Christians and a Conversion of A Prominant Brahmin, would fetch huge returns, appointed a Learned Bishop to shaddow Rai, and convert him. RESULT, Rev. Fr. Adams was converted from Xty to Brahmos.
This created huge problems, then using the Boden's Trust, a Non-British, Non-Anglican church member Young Maxmuller was picked to translate Vedas, and ALL Indian Libraries were forced to buy his books. Monier Williams etc., are the product of this Boden Trust.
Wrong Fradulant translation by Muller, etc., was used for Aryan race theory.
By this they say Hinduism is not Indian and also the Europeans are the Aryans, who then becomes the cradle of Sanskritetc.,
Any body who calls a section of Hindus as Aryans and others as Dravidians are accepting the Missionaries fraud that Indian are not brained to make Sanskrit and Tamil and they are European imports.
Dr. Ambedkar, who was never a Hinduism supporter, wrote:
1.THe Vedas do not know any such race as the Aryan race.
2.There is no evidence in the Vedas of any invasion of India by the Aryan race and its having conquered the Dasas and Dasyus supposed to be the natives of India.
3.There is no evidience to show that the distinction between Aryans, Dasas and Dasyus was a racial distinction.
4. THe Vedas do not support the contention that the Aryas were different in colour from the Dasas and Dayus .....
" If anthropometry is a science which can be depended upon to determine the race of a people ..... then its measurements extablish that the Brahmins and the Untouchables belong to the same race. From this it follows that if the Brahmins are Aryans the Untouchables are also Aryans. If the Brahmins are Dravidians, the Untouchables are also Dravidians...
WRITINGS AND SPEECHES - EDUCATION Dept. Govt. of Mahrashtra vol -7 page 85 and 302-303.
The Casteism is increased due to the Dravidian rule.
The Dravidian Fathers want their Posting and Party Leadership to their Sons. Eg.Karunanidhi, Ramdoss etc.,
Unless We Indians understand the Mission of Church- to divide and Convert, of which Hate - Brahimins means hate Hinduism, Church comes in; Indian Civilisation and Culture would have grave problems.
People should expect proper handling of People respecting indiviuduala and their position, Law should not be Intimidated by falsehood and Position,
Moses Salomon
<!--QuoteBegin-samudra_gupta+Nov 21 2004, 08:31 AM-->QUOTE(samudra_gupta @ Nov 21 2004, 08:31 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> In a history book on India , the western author has made good use of translations from vedas , which obviously are far correct and accused the vedas of containing many bad verses.
Someone in India , has to make correct translations and make'em famous and shut up max muller enthus for once.
Who the f*ck* is behind is dstan website ?
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Dalitstan.org is said to be created and run by Helen Heklund, a white Christian woman. So, go figure. These people just want to tear Hinduism down by encouraging quarrels and manipulating people to convert to their religion.
If I'm not mistaken, Dr. Ambetkar (the leader of the Dalits?) said that the AIT was garbage.
06-04-2005, 08:17 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-04-2005, 08:20 AM by Bharatvarsh.)
I recommend that everyone read Arun Shourie's book "Missionaries in India" where he exposes the nefarious designs of Christian's and also the true nature of the so called scholars like Monier Williams, Max Mueller etc, he cites quotes from primary sources and exposes the fraud of these fanatics, here's a review of the book:
http://www.indiastar.com/wallia17.html
"This is because Europeans are extremely addicted to sex. They are basically Asuras and Rakshasas according to the Vedic classification."
mitradena it is insulting and very racist to go around making these claims, how can u say that all white ppl are barbarians etc without even knowing them. I have seen ppl saying that we shouldn't convert ppl of other races to Hinduism because they will pollute our race, this is absolute nonsense, no race is inherently barbaric and Hinduism is not based on racial superiority concepts. A Hindu can be of any race, and we should convert anyone who wants to become a Hindu.
^Hey, I agree with you. I have always grown up in mostly white areas, and I can assure you that the whites that I grew up with are NOWHERE near being "sex addicts" or what you see on T.V. If anything, a lot of the kids I went to school with came off as quite prudish and were obsessed with the bible/grades (not that there's anything wrong with being conscientious about schoolwork and religion). Even if they were "sex freaks," they wouldn't openly talk about it. You would be surprised how some White Catholic families can be just as strict as Indian families.
But, this all just my opinion from what I observed around me. People will believe what they want to believe. I know there are a lot of people that have bizarre and degrading stereotypes about Indians. For example, people on Stormfront and Pakistani Mulims think that all Hindus drink cow urine, worship cow feces and eat it. That's worse than saying someone is a sex adict! It goes both ways.
06-04-2005, 05:59 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-04-2005, 06:01 PM by Bharatvarsh.)
Rupa I have always seen Hindus on the defensive when talking to Muslims or Christians about religion, for example Muhammad advised ppl to drink camel piss, here's a verse:
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 794:
Narrated Anas:
Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/h...tml#008.082.794
Also Muhammad was a paedophile, he married Ayesha at 6 when he was above 50 and cosumated the marriage when she was 9 yrs old.
06-04-2005, 07:50 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-04-2005, 07:53 PM by Sunder.)
According to Biblical Mythology, the biblical god asks Ezekiel to bake bread with<b>human sh!t.</b> when he protests, god changes the recipe to cow-dung.
Hereâsupposedlyâare Godâs instructions to Ezekiel for baking bread.
4:9 Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three
hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof.
4:12 And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and <b>thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man,</b> in their sight.
4:13 And the Lord said, Even <b>thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread</b> among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.
Ezekiel begs the Bibleâs god for a change in recipe, <b>at least for himself</b> if not all the children of Israel. So this god alters his recipe for baking bread.
4:15 Then he said unto me, Lo, <b>I have given thee cowâs dung for manâs dung,</b> and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith. (King James Bible, Ezekiel)
http://www.cforc.com/kjv/Ezekiel/index.html
So much for hygiene and love for neighbours as oneself...
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Mitradena,
Do not go to the stormfront site and try and talk with them. They are neo-nazis - the kind that worship Hitler and would persecute and torture the greatly-maligned Jewish people. They also hate African people just because they are unable to appreciate the unique appearance of Africans (as unique and refreshing as that of every people) and will run down ancient African cultures. They (the nazis of stormfront) are the antithesis of everything that is Hindu and Arya. Why should it surprise you that they claim Hindu culture? Let them think what they will, the Vedas will mean nothing to them, regardless of their false claim to it. The Vedic Gods will ignore them and want nothing to do with them, considering them the anaryas that they are.
Is it not the ultimate proof that they had no hand in authoring the Vedas: their inability to realise the lofty goals expressed therein and in subsequent Hindu scriptures and beliefs? How can destructive tendencies like racism create any civilisation?
Do not associate with such people. They are not worthy of your time. They hate Indians too, look at what their kind did to the Gypsies/Romany (in all likelyhood what they would do, if they had the chance, to Vikram who is so desperately eager to be accepted by them).
And please, for my sake, do not invite the neo-nazis over to this board, even to debate with them. They believe in races like 'Caucasian' still. Good grief, they believe in superior and inferior races. Please, keep them out.
As it is apparent to others on this board,
Vikram is a racist, with a disgusting hatred for both Africans and Jewish people and goodness knows who else. He's another anarya to add to the list. I am surprised that he isn't convinced he's a European (although, it must be said the many millions of good Europeans don't deserve him).
I'll bet if he was born European in this life, he'd be a neo-nazi who claims the Rig Veda as his and would run down Hinduism and India's right to its historic civilisation. Probably he's cursing his undeniably brown ancestors.
It is only understandable that such a person as Vikram wouldn't want to align himself with Africans or Jewish people (or non-racist European people). They're far too good for him who belongs in the company of neo-nazis.
At the very least we can state that the African communities didn't persecute other people, and the Jewish people have done nothing outside the supposed exploits described in the Old Testament (the validity of which I find rather suspect), except for the difficult situations they now find themselves in vis-a-vis Palestinians.
I'd like to request that others don't insult Iranians or the general Europeans. The latter aren't anything like those nazis of stormfront. The neo-nazis are as bad a representative of Europeans as Vikram is of Hinduism and the Hindu spirit.
Also, the older European religions were not racist at all. Their deities weren't racist either, so it's wrong to tar them with the brush that is obviously meant only for the (neo-)nazis.
Does this forum have guidelines for dealing with proven racists? Can't Vikram be banned?
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Now that I have figured out their real agenda, I don't go there anymore.
I realized that they are basically a 19th century style Christian imperialist group disguising themselves as European nationalists.
The moderator of that forum was arguing with me over why Christians are being "attacked" in India. I told him that there is no such thing.
I then asked him whether it is in the interest of White nationalists to convert non-whites to Christianity. He said that he does not mind if missionaries go and "civilize" the savages in India.
I then told him that India has never attacked any European country nor have we ever tried to destroy their religion or culture then why does he consider India as an enemy? I told him India is a natural ally of the west. In contrast the Islamic world has inflicted severe atrocities on the west.
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He then replied back saying he considers India a bigger threat to the west than the entire Islamic world combined, simply because Indians are intelligent and "arrogantly" proud of their culture and religion. Further they along with China are the only serious alternatives to western civilization.</b>
So there you have it. This honest answer should clarify all our doubts about their real intentions.
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He then replied back saying he considers India a bigger threat to the west than the entire Islamic world combined, simply because Indians are intelligent and "arrogantly" proud of their culture and religion. Further they along with China are the only serious alternatives to western civilization.</b>
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Makes sense.
why call it western civilization.
its neither western per se' and even less civilization.
its basically greekoroman civilization with a germanic spin.
and amongst the phenomena that this "civilization' sprung are inquisitions, the wiping out of the native population of 2 continents and annexing their lands to greater white-dom, the catolic apocalypse of latin america, slave trade, and 200 year long colonization of the non-white world causing most all the poverty you see today.
wtf civilization is that eh??
the world would be far better off without these germanic bloodthirsty cut throats.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->why call it western civilization.
its neither western per se' and even less civilization.
its basically greekoroman civilization with a germanic spin.
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That is true.
The funny thing is these idiots claim there was an "Aryan" invasion from the north into every ancient nation including Greece, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Iran and India. And it was these invaders who founded these civilizations by slaughtering the natives and establishing a caste system.
Then later on the caste system collapsed due to race mixing and these civilizations fell into poverty. This standard theory is applied everywhere without any proof whatsoever.
Some fools even support an Aryan Invasion Theory for China and Japan.
They claim the modern day Greeks are not pure Nordic Whites and have mixed with various slave races. The Greeks on the forum had a big fight with the other Nordics and many left the forum. One Greek named Dienekes has conclusively debunked this Aryan Invasion Theory of Greece and shown how there is a continuity in Greek civilization since early times.
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