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in islamic history books you find things like

-mohamed prey and a mountain fall over the roman army

-pharaoh were 10 meters height ;maybe mohamed saw their statues and assume that it was their actual height. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnEVpi-ozw





EAU skeik ,torture ...

Cheikh Issa des Émirats Arabes Unis accusé de torture

Mohamed not only married Aisha(at 6 years) but also rape a 17 year girl(named Safiyah),after he killed her father and her husband.

for more information on mohamed rapes see the following



http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/femalecaptives.htm

http://faithfreedom.org/challenge/rapist.htm



http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhamm...u-rape.htm

Robert Spencer - This is a problem within Islamic teaching, within core Islamic teaching, founded on the Quran. As such, wherever there are Islamic communities, there will be terrorism and efforts to impose elements of Islamic law through peaceful means, to assert the precedence of Islamic law over the laws of the state in which the Muslims happen to be residing. That will always happen.

London: A Muslim cleric who allegedly sexually abused young boys was held down and had his beard shaved off after he was arrested in Britain, a media report said.



Mohammed Hanif Khan, 41, honoured by Buckingham Palace for his work in prisons, was attacked by three men on the day of his arrest, The Sun reported Sunday.



Shaving a Muslim's beard is regarded as a sin, North Staffordshire Magistrates' Court heard.



Khan, who strenuously denies the abuse claim and faces trial in January, said he was knocked down by a headbutt in Tunstall, Staffordshire.



It is alleged that 31-year-old Mohammed Jameel, Mohammed Nadeem, 28, and Mohammed Safir, 32, then held him down as he was shaved with electric clippers.



Safir has admitted the charge, but the basis of his plea is not accepted by prosecutors.



The trial continues. http://news.in.msn.com/crimefile/article...684&page=9

Quote:http://in.news.yahoo.com/columnist/giris...sguidebook



http://girishshahane.blogspot.com/2010/1...hobia.html

The article is full of white washing of Islamic crimes in India, basically filled with lies. I only dealt with one of the lies as an example and posted the following comment on that moron's blog but I doubt he will allow it so posting it here for those interested:

Quote:So Jahangir was born in India and that makes him Indian.



By that logic all the British colonialists that were born within India were Indian's?



Jahangir destroyed several temples of the Hindus for religious reasons and killed Guru Arjun Devji for religious reasons.



In his autobiography he records that:



"In Gobindwāl, which is on the river Bīyāh (Beas), there was a Hindu named Arjun,* in the garments of sainthood and sanctity, so much so that he had captured many of the simple-hearted of the Hindus, and even of the ignorant and foolish followers of Islam, by his ways and manners, and they had loudly sounded the drum of his holiness. They called him Gūrū, and from all sides stupid people crowded to worship and manifest complete faith in him. For three or four generations (of spiritual successors) they had kept this shop warm. Many times it occurred to me to put a stop to this vain affair or to bring him into the assembly of the people of Islam.



At last when Khusrau passed along this road this insignificant fellow proposed to wait upon him. Khusrau happened to halt at the place where he was, and he came out and did homage to him. He behaved to Khusrau in certain special ways, and made on his forehead a finger­mark in saffron, which the Indians (Hinduwān) call qashqa,* and is considered propitious. When this came to my ears and I clearly understood his folly, I ordered them to produce him and handed over his houses, dwelling-places, and children to Murtaẓā Khān, and having con­fiscated his property commanded that he should be put to death.



http://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?fi...1081&ct=19"



This is the fanatic you are praising as having improved the lives of the people?

The idiot replied trying to keep up his whitewashing so I replied with this, let's see if he allows this comment.

Quote:"Anonymous, no important British colonialists were born in India"



Update your history.



No credible historian subscribes to such absurd views. By that logic the 2nd and 3rd generation of Crusaders all became Arabs because they occupied Jerusalem etc for generations lol.



"The passage you quote from Jehangir shows that he ordered Guru Arjun killed for political rather than religious reasons."



Apparently you can't read, here is what Jahangir says:



<<<Many times it occurred to me to put a stop to this vain affair or to bring him into the assembly of the people of Islam.>>>



Where was the need to bring Guru Arjundev into Islam if it was a "political" problem?



Also note that he says it had occured to him "many times" to convert the Guru to Islam. There goes your nonsensical justification for the murder claiming it was "political".



After Guru Arjundevji was murdered by Jahangir, one of the main medieval Islamic theologians Ahmad Sirhindi wrote the following in a letter:



“the execution of the accursed kafir of Gobindwal is an important achievement and is the cause of the great defeat of the Hindus.”



Source: Muslim Revivalist Movements in Northern India in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries by S.A.A. Rizvi.



Here is what Jahangir says about the aftermath of his conquest of Kangra:



<<<On the 24th* of the same month I went to see the fort of Kāngra, and gave an order that the Qāẓī, the Chief Justice (Mīr ‘Adl), and other learned men of Islam should accompany me and carry out in the fort whatever was customary, accord­ing to the religion of Muḥammad. Briefly, having traversed about one koss, I went up to the top of the fort, and by the grace of God, the call to prayer and the reading of the Khutba and the slaughter of a bullock, which had not taken place from the commencement of the building of the fort till now, were carried out in my presence.



http://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?fi...1082&ct=47>>>



<<<For example, in describing the conquest of Kangra and his visit there in early 1622, Jahangir says: "I went to see the fort of Kangra, and gave an order that the qazi, the Chief Justice, and other learned men of Islam should accompany me and carry out in the fort whatever was customary, according to the religion of Muhammad. Briefly … by the grace of God, the call to prayer and the reading of the khutba and the slaughter of a bullock, which had not taken place from the commencement of the building of the fort till now, were carried out in my presence. I … ordered a lofty mosque to be built inside the fort."/4/



http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritc...3.html#m04>>>



More evidence of Jahangir's religious bigotry:



<<<They ally themselves with Hindus, and both give and take girls. Taking them is good, but giving them, God forbid! I gave an order that hereafter they should not do such things, and whoever was guilty of them, should be capitally punished.



http://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?fi...1082&ct=37>>>



It's okay to snatch Hindu women but "god forbid" if a Muslim women marries a Hindu, there should be capital punishment. Really cute and secular isn't it?



<<<On the 7th Āzar I went to see and shoot on the tank of Pushkar, which is one of the established praying-places of the Hindus, with regard to the perfection of which they give (excellent) accounts that are incredible to any intelligence, and which is situated at a distance of three kos from Ajmir. For two or three days I shot water­fowl on that tank, and returned to Ajmir. Old and new temples which, in the language of the infidels, they call Deohara* are to be seen around this tank. Among them Rānā Shankar, who is the uncle of the rebel Amar, and in my kingdom is among the high nobles, had built a Deohara of great magnificence, on which 100,000 rupees had been spent. I went to see that temple. I found a form cut out of black stone, which from the neck above was in the shape of a pig's head, and the rest of the body was like that of a man. The worthless religion of the Hindus is this, that once on a time for some particular object the Supreme Ruler thought it necessary to show himself in this shape; on this account they hold it dear and worship it.* I ordered them to break that hideous form and throw it into the tank. After looking at this building there appeared a white dome on the top of a hill, to which men were coming from all quarters. When I asked about this they said that a Jogī lived there, and when the simpletons come to see him he places in their hands a handful* of flour, which they put into their mouths and imitate the cry of an animal which these fools have at some time injured, in order that by this act their sins may be blotted out. I ordered them to break down that place and turn the Jogī out of it, as well as to destroy the form of an idol there was in the dome.



http://persian.packhum.org/persian/pf?fi...1081&ct=55>>>



I quoted from Jahangir's own autobiography which exposes him for the religious fanatic he was, if you have the guts admit that you are wrong.

Quote:Dalit youth executed 'Taliban-style' in Kerala

Ananthakrishnan G, TNN, Oct 20, 2010, 02.25am IST



THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Six months after the mysterious death of a Dalit youth in Kannur district of Kerala, police have confirmed that he was in fact brutally tortured for hours.



The death evoked widespread criticism with some terming it "Taliban-style execution by Islamic fundamentalists" and seeking a NIA probe. Eight of the 13 accused have been arrested and charged with "attempt to commit culpable homicide and abetment of suicide". Investigating officer P Sadanandan said, "The accused are Popular Front of India activists, a Muslim radicals group."

But PFI's Kerala president Naseeruddin Elamaram said he was not aware of the case. He said it had become a practice to associate any Muslim, who was arrested, with the outfit and added it was part of a conspiracy.



The body of Vineesh, a casual labourer, was found hanging from the terrace of a lodge in Poythumkadavu in Kannur on April 17 this year. There were 22 brutal injury marks on the body.



The veins had been punctured both in his hands and legs and a lot of blood had oozed out revealing, what Dalit activists claim, was chillingly high level of planning and precision by the assailants.



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/...z12uexyvnr

Quote:Youth attacked for befriending girl



Sudipto Mondal





DEEP SCARS:Yogish



MANGALORE: A local court on Thursday granted bail to Yogish (29), a resident of Uppinangady who was reportedly assaulted by a vigilante mob on Monday, for fraternising with a teenage Muslim girl.



Mr. Yogesh was charged with “outraging the modesty” of the girl under Section 354 of the Indian Penal Code. The court granted bail to four persons who were part of the mob that allegedly assaulted Mr. Yogish, and charged under Sections 146 (rioting) and 295-A (outraging/insulting a religious class). They have been identified as Mansoor, Noor Ahmed, Anees and Iliyas.



Speaking to The Hindu after his release from the government hospital where he was treated under judicial custody, Mr. Yogish said that he had been falsely charged in the case. He said that he was attacked only because he had befriended a Muslim girl.



“I have known the girl for a few weeks now. She lives in my neighbourhood and we were just friends. All we would do is wave out to each other and say ‘hello' whenever we met,” he said.



According to him, these “innocent gestures” were construed to be something else by fundamentalists in the area.



Asked about the complaint filed by the girl, he said, “She has come under pressure from those who attacked me. Let her say the same thing in front of me.”



Narrating the sequence of events leading to the attack and his arrest, he said, “Three persons accosted me on Monday evening as I was walking back home. They did not even ask me any questions.” After the initial assault, he was taken to an isolated spot where a larger group of around 20 was waiting for him.

The mob then took him to the police station where the girl was present and had a case registered against him.



http://www.hindu.com/2010/10/22/stories/...270500.htm

[quote name='Bharatvarsh2' date='20 October 2010 - 01:34 AM' timestamp='1287518190' post='108960']



http://in.news.yahoo...et-misguidebook



The article is full of white washing of Islamic crimes in India, basically filled with lies. I only dealt with one of the lies as an example and posted the following comment on that moron's blog but I doubt he will allow it so posting it here for those interested:

[/quote]



Yes... have not came across such hilarious nonsense in a long time...



<<<As a child, I'd heard the tale of a giant magnet holding the Sun Temple's girders in place. By the time I was in my late teens, I knew Indian temples were made of stone and used little metal. The idea of a lodestone atop the Sun Temple keeping the structure together, while making compasses on passing ships go haywire, was manifestly absurd.>>>



The guy has of course no idea of what he is bullshitting about. Besides the other mysterious marvels that this temple presents to one ready for them, there is this metallurgical wonder of massive iron beams now lying detached from the structure, having excellent ferrous purity with significant proportion (>98%) of pure magnetite. The massive magnetite beams are larger than the famed ancient gupta iron pillar situated at mehrauli as well as than those massive ones of raja bhoja from Dhar, while weighing less than both! Structurally, the temple used absolutely no mortar or any other adhesive at all: the massive stones of its structure are skillfully precision-fitted and supported by iron dowels, and magnetical re-inforcement of assemblage is rather indeed likely, considering also the symbolism of Sun -- the Master of this whole world who holds and binds all the objects in their proper place through his magnetic gravitation. It is a fact that the removal of its large metallic kalasha-base from its mastaka, by the vandal ghazis, would have indeed caused its eventual dilapidation.

Bodhi,

Can you give more details of the Sun Temple of Konark? Thanks, ramana



I know Indian iron ore (Biladilla) has the highest concentration of magnetite.

A quote

Quote:Qur’an was also a useful tool for Muhammad to use the fear factor for propagating his religion.

There are 146 references to Hell in the Qur’an. Out of this, only 6% of those in Hell are there for

moral failings—murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for being in Hell are for the

intellectual sin of disagreeing with Muhammad, a political crime. Hence, Islamic Hell is a

political prison for those who speak against Islam (Glazov & Warner, 2007). Islam is actually a

political movement in the camouflage of a religion. In a political movement, there is no such

thing as a universal statement of ethics. Muslims are to be treated one way and unbelievers

another way. The goal is to dominate the entire world under Arab supremacy.

Kerala man accused of chopping hand wins poll

Press Trust Of India

Posted on Oct 28, 2010 at 15:10



Thiruvananthapuram: Contesting from prison, an accused in the sensational case of chopping off the hand of Thodupuzha Newman college lecturer TJ Joseph, has won from a block panchayat division in Ernakulam in the civic body elections.



Anas won from the Vanchinad division of Vazhakkulam block in Ernakulam district on a ticket of Socialist Democratic Party of India (SDPI), political arm of Popular Front of India (PFI), whose activists were allegedly behind the attack on Joseph for preparing a question paper containing blasphemous references to Prophet Mohammed.



Anas, now in judicial custody and lodged in the Viyyur central jail in connection with the case, won from the division defeating the nearest UDF candidate by a margin of more than 1,000 votes, while the LDF candidate came third.



The accused, who contested the seat after getting permission of the local court, could neither campaign for the poll nor cast his vote. Anas is the 47th accused in the case.



http://ibnlive.in.com/news/kerala-man-ac...37-64.html

^ More important.



news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8114601/celebrant-insults-couple-in-native-language

Quote:Celebrant insults couple in native language

16:00 AEST Thu Oct 28 2010



A luxury resort in the Maldives is under fire after employees used their native language to viciously insult an oblivious couple during a wedding ceremony.



Video uploaded to the internet shows the couple renewing their wedding vows with a celebrant speaking in the Dhivehi language at the Vilu Reef Beach and Spa resort.



But while the Islamic-style ceremony sounds legitimate to an English ear, a translation of the marriage vows reveals the celebrant, an employee named Hussein Didi, had other intentions.



"You are swine. The children that you bear from this marriage will all be bastard swine," Didi says, according to the Daily Mail.



"Your marriage is not a valid one. You are not the kind of people who can have a valid marriage.



"One of you is an infidel. The other too is an infidel and, we have reason to believe, an atheist who does not even believe in an infidel religion."



He is holding a document in his hand that shows text referring to "staff employment", suggesting it has nothing to do with marriage laws in the Maldives.



The couple are surrounded by close to 15 employees from the resort, none of whom attempt to stop the ceremony.



Didi reportedly continues insulting the English-speaking couple, who have not been identified, for nearly 15 minutes.



At one point the bride bends down to plant a coconut tree and a man is heard saying "can see her breasts".



Didi replies: "She is wearing something ... because my beard has gone grey watching those things. I have seen so many of them now that I don’t even want to look any more when I see them".



Police in the Maldives are investigating the incident, which has reportedly horrified the country's tourism authorities.



Employees at the resort, where room rates start from $1335 per person per night, have reportedly been sacked after the video emerged online.



In a statement, the resort's management expressed "deep concern and regret" over the insulting ceremony.

Yeah, sounds like an islamic style ceremony alright.

Brings back memories of reading the islamic koran or christian bible.

Quote:Dadabhai’s main demand was that the examination for the ICS should be held in England and also in India so that Indians could enter in the service and rise to higher ranks. He laid emphasis on it. Some British M Ps promised to propose a suitable Bill in the British Parliament. But even in 1886, Dadabhai faced united

opposition from Muslims. ‘Congress is a Hindu organisation and does not represent Indian Muslims’ – that was the theme of Sir Sayyad Ahmad who had founded The Patriotic Association (in India). The background information on this has already been given in my autobiography. This association and the likes of Islamia Anjuman complained –“If the examination for the ICS was to be held in India, it would benefit only Hindus. We Muslims are educationally backward and would not be able to compete. We Muslims are happy to live under British ICS officers, but NOT Hindu ICS officers.” Even the Nizam supported this Muslim demand. They sent petitions and leaflets on these lines to the M Ps of British Parliament.

At heart, Dadabhai was furious at this agitation of the Muslims. He was a Parsee and not a Hindu, but was a true nationalist. He felt especially grieved to know that Mr Shahabuddin, the Muslim, whom he had always described as a Nationalist, had also joined the cries of opposition to his proposal. In a letter to Shahabuddin, dated 15 July 1887, Dadabhai wrote, “How your action has paralysed not only our own efforts, but the hands of the English friends and how keenly I feel this, more so, because you have based your action on selfish interests that because the Moslems are backwards, you would not allow the Hindus and all India to go forward. How you have retarded our progress for a long time!”

(Ref - Dadabhai’s life by Masani)

But, though Dadabhai wrote this strong letter in private, he did not criticise the Muslim attitude in public. Because it was the stance of the Congress to bow to Muslims, whenever they raised their eyebrows. That is what was considered ‘Nationalist’ attitude by the Congressmen.



http://www.savarkar.org/content/pdfs/en/...p.v001.pdf

Quote:BOOK REVIEW: Jihad and retribalisation in Pakistan by Khaled Ahmed



Partisans of Allah: Jihad in South Asia

By Ayesha Jalal

Sang-e-Meel Publications, Lahore 2008

Pp373: Price Rs 695

Available at bookstores in Pakistan



Not far from Balakot, the votaries of the Sayyid are fighting on the side of Al Qaeda against ‘imperialist’ America and its client state, Pakistan, and killing more Muslims in the process than Americans, just as the Sayyid killed more Muslims than he killed Sikhs



Ayesha Jalal studies the jihad of Sayyid Ahmad Shaheed (1786-1831) in India as the most immaculate articulation of the theory of jihad in Islam. Sayyid Ahmad may have conceived his holy war against East India Company while living in Rai Bareilly in the central region of northern India, but he moved his warriors to where Pakistan’s North Western Frontier (NWFP) province is today because he thought that the Pashtun living in the tribal areas under non-Muslim Sikh occupation were better Muslims than the settled Muslims of the plains.



Here was the first indication that Islamic utopia could be constructed more easily in a tribal society. He probably wanted to take on the British after creating a mini-state on the pattern of Madina in the NWFP and probably hoped to reform the contaminated Muslims of the plains as a means of enhancing his challenge to the British. Al Qaeda too discovered the Pashtun straddling the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan as the tribal matrix where an Islamic utopia would grow into a centre of the global caliphate devoted to reforming and uniting Muslims living unhappily as subjects of today’s nation-states.



Sayyid Ahmad was feared by Muslims in the urban centres of India and was wrongly called a Wahhabi — a negative term pointing to the intimidation and violence associated with Saudi Islam — because they thought he would use ‘retribalisation’ as a method of returning them to the true faith. Pakistan fears Al Qaeda and its Pashtun foot soldiers as it sees the same kind of process in evidence under what is called Talibanisation.



Historian Ayesha Jalal has a fair claim to knowing the various communal narratives of Muslim India, as proved in her 2000 monumental work Self and Sovereignty: Individual and Community in South Asian Islam since 1850. One can say that her latest book on Jihad has grown out of this earlier work and that her identification of one of the most ideologically ‘explained’ holy wars in the 19th century India is intended to understand the location of Al Qaeda inside Pakistan’s Tribal Areas in the 21st century. She writes on page 16:



‘The geographic focal point of the jihad of 1826 to 1831 on the northwest frontier of the subcontinent corresponds to the nerve centre of the current confrontation between Islamic radicals and the West. The jihad movement directed primarily against the Sikhs was transmuted in the course of the war into a conflict pitting Muslim against Muslim. This feature of intrafaith conflict in a jihad as armed struggle has not diminished its appeal for contemporary militants, who evidence many of the same failings that undermined Sayyid Ahmad’s high ideals. The martyrdom of those who fell at Balakot continues to weave its spell, making it imperative to investigate the myth in its making’.



The story goes like this. Sayyid Ahmad, convinced of his own semi-divinity and admired by a large number of followers for his exact adherence to Islam, marched from Rai Bareilly in Central India in 1826 in the direction of the north-western city of Peshawar with a an ‘army’ of 600 local Muslims optimistically posing as warriors. The aim was to establish an Islamic state on the land of the Pashtun. As he meandered through the various regions of India and Afghanistan, he was greeted by Muslim rulers not very keen to support him in his jihad. But in Kandahar, 200 Pashtun warriors joined him, clearly in expectation of the loot which jihad in their view brought in its wake. Some Yusufzai tribesmen, irritated by Sikh rule, also joined his lashkar.



If he thought he was walking into a ‘people’ of uniform views, he was mistaken. The Durrani Pashtun of Peshawar were not particularly enthusiastic about his movement. Scared of the internecine Pashtun warfare, they had become allies of the Sikhs and paid tribute to them.



In the first engagement with the Sikh army near Peshawar Sayyid Ahmad suffered a defeat because his soldiers took to looting after the first attack and thereby allowed the Sikhs to regroup and attack again. The next battle at Hazro met with the same fate: the Pashtun warriors took to looting before the battle was won and failed to gain decisive edge later on. The warriors fought over the spoils of war and the various groups carried off what they thought was their share, no one listening to the Sayyid.



The lure of loot attracted 80,000 more local warriors to his lashkar which now became an army. At the battle of Shaidu, the warriors of Islam outnumbered the army of Budh Singh, the general who represented the suzerain Maharaja of Lahore, Ranjit Singh. This time a part of the Islamic army refused to fight, and the Durranis actually poisoned the Sayyid fearing his growing spiritual power, and let him be defeated as their imam. Weakened by poisoning, he nevertheless sought solace in marrying an Ismaili girl as his third wife.



As author Jalal points out, the parallels are shockingly close. Sayyid Ahmad’s main objective was the expulsion of the British from India (p.70). Osama bin Laden’s foray into Pakistan is also a phase in his jihad against America. Sayyid Ahmad was under pressure from the puritans of the faith from India to first wage war against the ‘Muslim infidels’ and for this he had to enforce sharia on the Pashtun population of Hazara which was under his military control:



‘The scope of the laws was broadly defined to include the compulsory enforcement of Islamic injunctions relating to prayers and fasting, as well as a ban on usury, polygamy, consumption of wine, distribution of a deceased man’s wife and children among his brothers, and involvement in family feuds. Anyone transgressing the sharia after swearing allegiance to Sayyid Ahmad was to be treated as a sinner and a rebel. Any breach was punishable by death, and Muslims were prohibited from saying prayers at the funerals of such people. Two weeks later, after another meeting of tribesmen, Sayyid Ahmad began appointing judges in different parts of the frontier...the moves infringed on the temporal powers of the tribal chiefs and seriously undermined the prerogatives of local religious leaders (p.94)’.



The three conditions that Sayyid Ahmad and the Taliban fill are: fighting enemy number one (the British, the Americans) through a secondary enemy (the Sikhs, Pakistan); mixing local Islam with hardline Arab Islam; and using the tribal order as matrix of Islam. The Taliban derive their radical Islam from the Wahhabi severity of the money-distributing Arabs; the mujahideen of Sayyid Ahmad derived their puritanism from Shah Waliullah’s ‘contact’ with the Arabs in Hijaz in 1730.



In the battle of Balakot, Sikh commander Sher Singh finally overwhelmed Sayyid Ahmad after he was informed about his hideout by his Pashtun allies. Ahmad fought bravely but was soon cut down. To prevent a tomb from being erected on his corpse, the Sikhs cut him to pieces but ‘an old woman found the Sayyid’s severed head which was later buried in the place considered to be his tomb’ (p.105).



Author Jalal notes that in the battlefield of Balakot, where Sayyid Ahmad of Rai Bareilly was martyred in 1831, another kind of ‘cross-border’ deniable jihad is being carried out by other mujahideen. She writes: ‘To this day Balakot where the Sayyid lies buried is a spot that has been greatly revered, not only by militants in contemporary Pakistan, some of whom have set up training camps near Balakot, but also by anti-colonial nationalists who interpreted the movement as a prelude to a jihad against the British in India’ (p.61).



Not far from Balakot, the votaries of the Sayyid are fighting on the side of Al Qaeda against ‘imperialist’ America and its client state, Pakistan, and killing more Muslims in the process than Americans, just as the Sayyid killed more Muslims than he killed Sikhs. According to Sana Haroon (Frontier of Faith: Islam in the Indo-Afghan Borderland; Hurst & Company London 2007), Ahmed Shah Abdali had induced descendants of Mujaddid Alf Sani to move to Kabul after his raid of Delhi in 1748. In 1849, Akhund Ghafur set up the throne of Swat and put Syed Akbar Shah on it as Amir of Swat, the Syed being a former secretary of Sayyid Ahmad of Rai Bareilly.



It was a Wahhabi war in the eyes of mild Indian Muslims. It was therefore a virulently Sunni war which pointedly did not attract the Shia. It is difficult to believe that Urdu’s greatest poet Mirza Ghalib (1797-1869) could have supported the jihad (p.61). Writers have claimed that he wrote in cipher and used complicated metaphor in his poetry to attach himself surreptitiously to jihad; but that is not true if you read his Persian letters recently made accessible in the very competent Urdu translation of Mukhtar Ali Khan ‘Partau Rohila’ in a single volume Kuliyat Maktubat Farsi Ghalib (National Book Foundation Islamabad 2008).



Far from being attracted to the movement of jihad inspired by anti-Shia saints like Shah Waliullah and Shah Abdul Aziz, Ghalib praises an opponent of the Sayyid, Fazle Haq, and is more forthright about his own conversion to Shiism from the Sunni faith. Like Al Qaeda’s war against America, Sayyid Ahmad’s jihad was a Sunni jihad, an aspect that must be made note of. Al Qaeda today kills Shias as its side business. *



http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp...2008_pg3_4

Rael: ‘Banning minarets isn’t enough! Islam itself should be banned!

“Although the Raelian teachings are in perfect harmony with the Declaration of Human Rights, the Swiss authorities refused Rael’s right to stay on Swiss territory,” he said. “To justify that refusal, they used the pretext that Rael’s teachings ‘could cause a public disturbance.’ ”

Nothing could be further from the truth, Antille said, adding that those who actually do present just such a risk are not singled out.

“If there is one philosophy that totally contradicts the Declaration of Human Rights, that philosophy is Islam,” Antille declared. “Rather than attack the Raelian philosophy, which advocates non-violence, the Swiss government should demand that Muslims living on Swiss territory remove those parts of the Koran that promote racism, discrimination and violence.”

In a speech given in 2006, following events linked to some controversial caricatures of Mohamed, Rael described what the International Raelian Movement has called “a pronounced lack of reciprocity in terms of basic human rights.” Here is what he said:

“It’s shocking to see Muslims imposing double standards in our modern societies. For example, they request the right to build mosques in the West, and to preach in them so they can convert a maximum number of people to their religion. And all citizens [in the West] are free to convert to Islam.

“But in Muslim countries, construction of churches is forbidden, and anyone preaching a non-Islamic religion is guilty of a crime punishable by a long-term prison sentence. Those who convert to another religion – thus apostatizing from Islam – can be sentenced to death.

“These are double standards. As long as absolute reciprocity [concerning freedom of religion] is not adhered to, Muslims should not benefit from the freedom in Western countries that they refuse to visitors in their own countries. Therefore, for as long as it remains illegal in Islamic countries for atheists and those of other religions to proselytize, Muslim proselytizing should likewise be forbidden in Western counties.”

In the same speech, Rael also described the fanaticism that certain Muslims develop when applying teachings of their sacred texts.

Only one solution can counter the extremism that breeds violence and hate, he said.

“Forbid any religion that teaches violence or racial and ethnic hatred,” Rael declared.

He added, “We would never accept a political party that advocates such hatred, and it would be immediately forbidden. Why then accept such a position from a religion, which conditions the behavior of younger generations far more than a political party does? We must therefore forbid the Islamic religion as long as Muslims continue these horrible teachings that are internationally illegal.”

In a statement released on Tuesday, the college of Swiss Raelian Guides asked that Swiss authorities and Swiss citizens “start acting less like cowards and more like representatives of a responsible state that guarantees fundamental freedoms.”

The remainder of the statement stated, in part:

“To be ‘politically correct’ in Switzerland right now means defending the right of Muslims to build minarets while at the same time attacking cults and refusing them use of conference rooms. This position obviously discriminates against philosophical movements not dating from the Middle Ages.”

The Swiss population should unite and request that all religious texts promulgated on Swiss soil be validated by an independent committee that would assess such texts in terms of their accordance with the Declaration of Human Rights. The committee would then issue recommendations based on those assessments.

If Swiss Muslims agree to follow the committee’s recommendations, they could thereafter benefit from all rights and privileges granted to Swiss residents. But if they refuse to comply and continue to condone the practice in Muslim countries of denying freedom of religion within their borders, then reciprocity should be applied and the practice of Islam should be forbidden on Swiss territory, including all symbols of this religion, such as the minarets.

For more information about Rael’s position on militant Islam (which of course is also the position of the International Raelian Movement) see: http://fr.raelpress.org/comment.php?comment.news.75

*Here are a few of the more explicit extracts from the Koran, as cited by Antille:

Koran Sura IX .5

“Kill all the infidels everywhere you find them, capture them, besiege them, and create ambushes. However, if they convert, if they give money ….. Then let them go in peace, because Allah is forgiving and has pity on them.”

Koran Sura V, 51

“Oh believers, do not become friends with any Jews or Christians, because they are their own allies. Anyone who becomes friends with them will become like them and God cannot be a guide to such a pervert.”

Koran Sura IV,34

“Men are superior to women, thanks to the qualities which God has endowed on them in order to raise them above women. Reprimand those women whom you fear are not obedient, banish them to separate beds, and beat them.”

http://raelianews.org/news.php?extend.384



Rael invites all Raelians and non-Raelians, especially Muslims, to make caricatures of himself.

http://raelianews.org/news.php?item.396.3

1. news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8140166

Quote:Saudi witchcraft death sentence rejected

06:54 AEST Sun Nov 14 2010



Saudi Arabia's Supreme Court has refused to ratify the death sentence of a Lebanese psychic convicted of practicing witchcraft in a case that has outraged international human rights groups.



A three-judge panel said in its ruling on Thursday there was not enough evidence that Ali Sibat's actions harmed others. The judges ordered the case to be retried in a Medina court and recommended that the sentence be commuted and that Sibat be deported.



[color="#0000FF"]The charges in Sibat's case seem to centre on a call-in talk show he hosted on a Lebanese satellite TV station where he would tell fortunes and give advice. His supporters point out that the show was aired from Lebanon, not Saudi Arabia.



He was arrested in May 2008 by the Saudi religious police during a pilgrimage to the holy city of Medina and sentenced to death in November 2009.[/color]



In Lebanon, Sibat's wife, Samira Rahmoon, welcomed the Supreme Court's decision but said she won't rest until Sibat is back home with her and their five children.



"Of course I was very happy. A house without a man is worth nothing; we are borrowing money every month just to get bread to eat," she said. "But I am still scared. Unless I see him at Beirut airport with my own eyes I will always be scared for him."



[color="#0000FF"]The Saudi justice system, which is based on Islamic law, does not clearly define the charge of witchcraft.



Sibat is one of scores of people reported arrested every year in the kingdom for practicing sorcery, witchcraft, black magic and fortune-telling. The deeply religious authorities in Saudi Arabia consider these practices polytheism.[/color]

[color="#800080"](It's not "polytheism". Even the "polytheistic" Roman empire since centuries before christianism outlawed various practices of Stregaria, which was considered harmful sorcery. In many traditional religions harmful practices are discouraged. The difference is that islam like christianism threatens/implements death for anything and everything that it will construe as witchcraft - i.e. anything unchristian - including heathen/traditional religious practices like Hellenistic oracles, and other harmless ones like "fortune telling".

Christoislamism will club all these heathen and other harmless practices together with harmful ones under one blanket banner of "black magic/witchcraft/polytheism" - thereby slandering natural religions as having practices they specifically do not encourage - and murders them all out.)[/color]



[color="#0000FF"]According to Amnesty International, the last known execution on a witchcraft conviction was the 2007 beheading of an Egyptian pharmacist, Mustafa Ibrahim, who was found guilty of casting spells in an attempt to separate a married couple.[/color]



The charges are often vague - covering anything from [color="#0000FF"]fortune-telling to astrology to making charms and talismans believed to bring love, health or pregnancy.[/color] Saudi judges cite Koranic verses forbidding [color="#0000FF"]witchcraft[/color], but such practices remain popular as a [color="#0000FF"]folk tradition[/color].

[color="#800080"](Like I said: christoislamism also puts heathen practices - and other harmless ones - under the "witchcraft" label. Everything is declared "equally" evil, including traditional heathen practices. On the other end of the spectrum, many modern neopagans generally declare everything equally "good" and will whine that their "own kind" elsewhere are "persecuted", when heathens from China to India disapprove of harmful practices - just as heathens in ancient European nations also disapproved of practices that harmed their society and hurt individuals.

People of heathen religions make a careful distinction. The Roman Laws were strict. But heathen societies don't generally persecute to death those who dabble in harmful practices (but heathen societies do tend to solemnly discourage them), even if heathen families and smaller communities may take individual action as retaliation against any such who hurt them. Certainly, unlike christoislamism which goes on witch hunts and where mere suspicion is enough to bring on christoislamaniac persecution, heathen societies do not see shadows everywhere and declare harmless things as "witchcraft".)[/color]



In January, an appeals court in Mecca agreed to review Sibat's death sentence, but in March another set of judges in Medina upheld the sentence, saying he practiced sorcery publicly on a TV show and that made him an infidel.



Sibat's Lebanese lawyer, May al-Khansa, said she believes the Saudi Supreme Court's decision means he will soon be released.



"There is no reason for a retrial; either he's guilty and they have evidence, or they don't," she said. "The fact that the court rejected the death sentence means that he's innocent and the next step is closing the case and deporting him to Lebanon."



Amnesty International says a Sudanese man, Abdul-Hamid al-Fakki, has also been convicted of sorcery and is still believed to be at risk of execution.

2. news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8139980/suicidal-sheep-dodge-slaughter

Quote:Sheep jump to death before slaughter

14:00 AEST Sat Nov 13 2010

By ninemsn staff



A herd of sheep being led to slaughter in Turkey have instead ended their lives by leaping off a cliff.



Herder Mejmet Gana was guiding his 52 sheep across a mountain range when suddenly one of the sheep turned to the edge of a cliff and jumped, quickly followed by the rest, Russian TV station RT reports.



The sheep were being taken to a local market where they were going to be sold for a Muslim holiday that involves animal sacrifice.



The sheep carcasses were found at the bottom of the cliff.



[color="#0000FF"]But it's not the first time the European country has witnessed an unprovoked mass sheep suicide. In 2005, 1500 sheep jumped off a cliff in Turkey.[/color]



The first 450 were killed, but the rest survived by landing on the dead bodies of the herd below, the Aksam newspaper reported.

Better way to die. Obviously sheep themselves disagree about islamania's preposterous claims that the islam-stipulated way of slaughtering animals is "more humane".

'Humane slaughter'. More christoislamic oxymorons.



Clever sheep elected the way they would go. In their place - if I had a brain - I would do the same. Who wants to be islamically sacrificed to the non-existent demonic jeebusjehovallah.

Take the leap, sheep. Be free.

If I want to hear the muezzin, I also can book a vacation to the Orient



by Thilo Sarrazin



Uncontrolled immigration may at any time threaten the state structures and undermine the stability of a society. The Chinese empire therefore had its Great Wall, the Romans had their Limes. At no time were the securing of the territory and the regulation of immigration something trivial. The complications arising from these issues threatened states and societies to their core and penetrated them deeply. And each time they were accompanied by orgies of bloodletting and violence.



In the German media this is frequently concealed. Immigration issues are often treated with a raised admonitory finger, and an attitude that probably can be the best characterized with the slogan: “Peep, peep, peep! We all just love each other.” This approach is as unhistorical as it is silly. Even more regrettable is that the German political elite lets its position on immigration be determined largely by the voices from the media. It thus runs the risk of alienating itself both from the people and the core of the problem.



The growing influx, noted by right-wing populist movements in many European countries — also the referendum on the acceptance of minarets, as held in Switzerland — are consequences of the predominantly unhistorical, naïve and opportunistic migration policy of European governments.



In all countries concerned — whether Britain, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark or Norway — one makes similar observations about the group of Muslim migrants, namely:



* Below-average labor market integration;

* Above-average dependence on welfare benefits;

* Below-average participation in education;

* Above-average fertility;

* Spatial segregation with a tendency towards the emergence of parallel societies;

* Above-average religiosity with growing penchant for traditional and fundamentalist movements in Islam;

* An above-average criminality, from “ordinary” violent street crimes to participating in terrorist activities.



In Germany, an army of integration committees, Islam researchers, sociologists, political scientists, organizational representatives and a group of naive politicians work intensively, hand in hand, on trivialization, self-deception and denial of the problem.



It is particularly popular to blame the critics of Islam for a lack of tolerance. Thereby an important distinction is lost: One can, indeed must be liberal towards beliefs and lifestyles that differ from our own. But this liberality then may not be applied to those who do not want to tolerate different beliefs and lifestyles.



The 18-year-old murderer Ayham Sürücü — who in February 2005 in Berlin, commissioned by his deeply religious Turkish-Kurdish family-in-law, shot dead his sister Hatun Sürücü, five years his senior, because she had a different lifestyle — was deeply religious, and a representative of a broadly shared view among Muslims. Can someone who judges this kind of religion to be unworthy — even if it does not lead to murder — be described as illiberal?



That the strong growth of the Muslim minority in Europe is causing concern certainly need not be construed as xenophobia. Below-average employment among Muslim immigrants in Germany can be established. Only 33.9 percent of them earn a living through professional and other gainful employment. In the population without an immigration background, that is 43 percent.



It is often noted that many Muslim immigrants are especially likely to be self-employed. There are approximately 80,000 self-employed persons in Germany with a Turkish immigration background, of which 40,000 are in food retailing.



At any rate, the percentage of self employed persons among Muslim immigrants is significantly lower than that of the German population and other immigrant groups — in 2007 only 6.8 percent, compared with immigrants from EU countries (12.4 percent), Southeast Asia (13.9 percent) and persons without an immigration background (10.4 percent).



Compared to the working population, there are among Muslims four times as many people living on unemployment benefits and welfare assistance than among the German population. The situation is completely different among the migrants from the EU Member States. Their employment rate is 44.2 percent, which is even slightly higher than that of native Germans.



Of the people living in Germany with a Muslim immigration background, 30 percent have no school diploma whatsoever, and only 14 percent a Higher School Certificate.



It is noteworthy that the immigrants from the EU and South- and East Asia do not have similar problems. Of the children of the Vietnamese contract workers of the former East Germany 80 percent even have a Higher School Certificate, a higher percentage than the Germans.



Discrimination as a cause for this lack of success of the Muslim immigrants can be excluded, as groups of migrants from the Far East or India, whose appearance is even more exotic than that of the Turks and Arabs, in some cases even surpass the Germans.



The relative failure can also hardly be attributed to congenital capacities and talents, as it concerns Muslim immigrants of various origins. It also is a mystery why the progress in the second and third generations, if there is any, is much less with the Muslim immigrants than with others.



Some Germans — including the elite — have not yet even noticed the problem. In their life, domestic, and working environments Muslim immigrants at the most are encountered as cleaners or as an exotic backdrop for a rare visit to Berlin-Kreuzberg [culturally enriched neighborhood in Berlin]. Certain portions of the intelligentsia and the liberal press seem even to quietly gloat about Muslim immigration undermining German society.



What did the U.S. government do for the integration of German, Jewish, Irish and Italian immigrants? They integrated themselves, because they had no other choice if they wanted to survive. There was no public support for importing brides. The failure of integration in Germany is due to the attitude of the Muslim immigrants.



I would like my great grandchildren 100 years from now still to be able to live in Germany — if they want to. I do not desire that the land of my grandchildren and great-grandchildren be largely Muslim, that Turkish and Arabic be spoken in broad swathes, that women should wear headscarves, and the daily rhythm be determined by the prayer call of the muezzin. If I want to experience that, I can book a vacation to the Orient.



I do not want us to become strangers in our own country.

This is going to be disturbing. With no apologies.



2 posts.





Christoislamism. Episode: "More Equal" Part I



Islamic brotherhood. Their casta system in action. How Indonesian islamic maids and male African sex slaves of faithful islamic Saudis fare. The former non-Arabian muslims get brutally tortured and the latter get brutally murdered. Meanwhile, the Saudis themselves - non-existent allah's Chosen, Mohammed the Puppet's Own - get away scottfree, if they can.

And then there are the kaffiri victims.



People would probably have heard, but in case you didn't -





1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11764129

Quote:Indonesian president condemns Saudi torture of maid



Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has demanded justice for the "extraordinary torture" of an Indonesian maid in Saudi Arabia.



Sumiati Binti Salan Mustapa, 23, is in a stable condition in a hospital.



Her injuries include gashes to her face and cuts to her lips, allegedly inflicted by her employers using scissors. She was also burned with an iron, officials say.



Mr Yudhoyono said he would send a team to Saudi Arabia to investigate.



The young woman went to Saudi Arabia four months ago to look for work.



A doctor at a hospital in Medina where she is being treated told the Saudi Gazette that Sumiati was unconscious when admitted and "was wounded from head to toe".



The Saudi Gazette reported that she had had skin cut from her head and would need plastic surgery.



"I want to convey the very shocking news about what happened to an Indonesian in Saudi Arabia," Mr Yudhoyono told a cabinet meeting.



"I have instructed the foreign minister to handle it seriously. Sumiati was subjected to extraordinary torture. I want justice to be upheld. I want all-out diplomacy," he said.

Harsh conditions



On Monday the Indonesian government summoned the Saudi ambassador.



"We conveyed our stand and condemned what happened," said Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa.



"The Saudi government also condemned it and considered the action to be inappropriate and a violation of humanity. Together, we'll ensure that the party responsible is punished."

(*But of course* they will. See the rest of this post and the next below. The list of victims is endless. And the terrorist islamaniacs at the top of the islamic casta hierarchy keep getting away with it.)



Rights organisations say many foreign domestic maids in Saudi Arabia work in harsh circumstances and often suffer abuse from their employers.



The Saudi Labour Ministry has in the past acknowledged some problems, but the government also says foreign workers' rights are protected under Islamic law.

(Yeah sure, "protection under islamic law" which repeatedly declares that the lesser islamics "deserved it." And the kaffirs... well, kaffirs come later in this post-session.)

And 2 years back:



2. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7415290.stm

Quote:Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:47 UK



Saudi maid verdict 'outrageous'



Ms Miyati's condition was compelling physical evidence of abuse, HRW says





Human Rights Watch has called on Saudi judges to overturn a decision to drop charges against a Saudi couple accused of severely abusing an Indonesian maid.



A judge in Riyadh awarded $670 damages to the maid, Nour Miyati, but dropped all charges against her employers.

(Wow 670 dollars. That makes it all better doesn't it? Because islam/non-existent allah certainly thinks it does.)



The female employer, who admitted the abuse and was originally sentenced to 35 lashes, had her sentence overturned.



Human Rights Watch said the ruling on Monday was "outrageous", and sent "a dangerous message" to Saudi employers.



Ms Miyati, 25, contracted gangrene after allegedly being tied up for a month and left without food in 2005. She had to have several fingers and toes amputated.



New York-based Human Rights Watch called for an appeals court to "impose stiff penalties on the employers, including imprisonment, and payment of significant financial compensation".



Saudi officials have not commented on the report.

(Of course not. No one thought they would, except when they come out to pronounce that the most favourite of allah, those faithful islamics of Arabia, are free of all charges - for being islamics of Arabia.)



'Impunity'



Human Rights Watch says Ms Miyati was treated in a Riyadh hospital in March 2005 for gangrene, malnourishment and other injuries.



All charges against Ms Miyati's male employer were dropped early in the investigation, Human Rights Watch says.



On Monday a Riyadh judge found the female employer not guilty, despite her earlier admission and "compelling physical evidence", the group says.



(Now here it comes. Recall how a muslimah's witness is 1/4 that of her male counterpart? Here's an example of what the witness of non-Arab muslims is worth when facing off in court against the highest casta muslims - mohammed's own



A prior Saudi judgement, subsequently overturned, had seen Ms Miyati convicted of falsely accusing her employers and sentenced to 79 lashes.

(Very like how, in islamaniac pardeesiacs, muslimah rape victims get sentenced to death for "their adultery", and the islamaniac rapists get rewarded - sorry, slip - 'awarded' the token few lashes, if that.)



Human Rights Watch said the latest ruling "sends a dangerous message to Saudi employers that they can beat domestic workers with impunity and that victims have little hope of justice".



Rights organisations say many foreign domestic maids in Saudi Arabia work in harsh circumstances and often suffer abuse by their employers.



The Saudi Labour Ministry has acknowledged some problems, but the government also says foreign workers' rights are protected under Islamic law.

Good old Beeb News for parroting that last line of what the Al Faithful Saudi Labour Ministry always says - note that line is the same as the last line of the previous article. BeebNews still living in the age of the tape recorder when it comes to apologetics.





3. And now here is what happens to male African muslims under the power of the more priviliged muslims of Arabia. The news item is well-known, I'm sure: faithful Saudi prince brutally murders his male islamic African sex slave. "Because he can." Because aren't Arabian faithfuls of islam mohammed's own? But this happened in Britain. And Sharia isn't ruling Britain just yet.

There was a video of the islamofascist's habitual mistreatment of the poor unfortunate (a part of the evidence in the court-case), but no sane creature wants to see that.

Anyway, first Al Faithful tried to duck the charge of preying upon men: because among the lower/poorer ranks at least, islam is supposed to be very strict about gayness. And because islam doesn't appreciate men of the upper islamic castas being all open about their sexually assaulting men - public flaunting of islamic terrorism against the oppressed male converts seems so much like the famed christo hypocrisy then. And aren't christoislamaniacs all supposed to be busy hypocritically pretending that homosexuality is a crime and stone people for it. So this kind of publicity just doesn't sell islamania all that well. Hence the initial denial by the Upper Faithful.

More recent news will tell it like it is, but first the older:



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wor...5934802604

Quote:Saudi prince denies servant sex murder in London

David Brown From:The Times October 06, 2010 11:35AM



A SAUDI prince strangled his servant during a sexually motivated attack in their London hotel suite after beating him throughout their three-week stay in Britain, the Old Bailey was told yesterday.



Prince Saud bin Abdulaziz bin Nasir al Saud, 34, has admitted unlawfully killing Bandar Abdulaziz after visiting a restaurant together on Valentine's Day.



The Prince, a grandson of King Abdullah, and Mr Abdulaziz arrived in London on January 20 after visiting several other countries. While the Prince travelled business class his companion flew economy to London, the court was told.



Jonathan Laidlaw, QC, for the prosecution, said: "They did not travel as equals or friends. Bandar was treated as an aide or servant. He would beat Bandar up and the abuse was not confined to physical violence, there was a sexual element to it as well."



Hotel staff noticed that Mr Abdulaziz, 32, always walked a couple of steps behind the Prince and that they rarely spoke to each other.



The Prince told police that he was not homosexual but detectives discovered that he had been visited by two gay escorts at the Landmark Hotel in Marylebone. Both carried out a sex act on the Prince, the court was told.



On the night of the killing the Prince asked the hotel concierge to make bookings for them at the Chinawhite or Whisky Mist nightclubs. The men visited the Jumeirah Carlton Hotel in Knightsbridge for drinks before having dinner at the Signor Sassi restaurant.



As they left the restaurant a CCTV camera appeared to record the Prince kicking his servant in the street, the court heard.



When they returned to the Landmark Hotel the Prince ordered a bottle of champagne in the bar and six shots of a cocktail before they went to their suite.



Prince Saud called the Saudi Arabian Embassy at 3.30pm the following day to say that Mr Abdulaziz was unwell. He initially told police that his servant had been robbed while withdrawing 3000 euros from a cash machine before claiming that he had fallen in their bedroom after drinking.



[color="#0000FF"]A post-mortem examination found that Mr Abdulaziz was strangled and had head and abdominal injuries as the result of punching or kicking. It showed he had been bitten on his cheeks and possibly his ears, which one expert said might have a sexual element, the court was told.



Traces of his blood were found throughout the suite and in a room where the men had initially stayed at the Landmark, the court was told.[/color]



Detectives discovered that the Prince's laptop computer had been used to visit websites of gay escorts and saunas. They also found semi-naked pictures of Mr Abdulaziz on the Prince's mobile telephone and discovered a copy of the 2009 Spartacus International Gay Guide in their hotel room.



There was one double bed in the suite shared by the men and there were occasions when the two men might have shared it, the court heard.



During the investigation police recovered security camera footage from the hotel lift which allegedly showed the Prince beating his servant twice in the lift in the weeks before the killing.



The footage played in court showed Mr Abdulaziz offering no resistance while he was punched repeatedly in the head and body. Mr Laidlaw said: "What is evident from the victim's behaviour is that by this point he is almost entirely submissive. He could not or did not at any stage offer any sort of resistance."



Prince Saud denies murdering Mr Abdulaziz on February 15 and causing him grievous bodily harm with intent on January 22. The jury was told that it has to decide if the attack on February 15 was manslaughter or murder.



The trial continues.

Why again do islamic African-origin citizens in America want to be part of this religion? It's the same as christianism. Can they even *tell*? The converted Africans of Africa have no choice. They've been forced into this prison, even when they had bravely resisted in the past.

But in America, the converts originating in sub-saharan Africa can be free. Why this willing slavery to a non-existent demon gawd and to a 'brotherhood' possessed by it, one that takes delight in torturing and destroying them? I just don't understand. They can be free. And they choose to not to be.



As already stated, more recent news tells of what has been revealed/established since about the murder case. Links to the following can be found at the same source as above:

Quote:Related Coverage



Saudis may seek killer Prince transfer

The Australian, 20 Oct 2010

(Anyone else note a recurring pattern in islamoarabians' response to their crimes against muslims lower in the islamic casta system? (And same in their crimes against heathens 'servants'.)



Saudi prince jailed for killing servant

Adelaide Now, 20 Oct 2010

(Except that faithfuls of his casta seek to transfer him, see above.)



Saudi prince guilty of sex attack murder

The Australian, 19 Oct 2010



Saudi prince murdered gay 'slave'

Adelaide Now, 19 Oct 2010



Prince guilty of murdering servant

Adelaide Now, 19 Oct 2010

And so:

4. http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipi...der-london

Quote:Saudi prince jailed for life for servant's murder in London

Agence France-Presse

Posted at 10/20/2010 7:11 PM | Updated as of 10/20/2010 7:11 PM





LONDON, United Kingdom - A Saudi prince, the grandson of King Abdullah, was jailed for life by a British court Wednesday for murdering his male servant in a brutal attack at a London hotel after a long campaign of sexual abuse.



Saud Bin Abdulaziz Bin Nasir al Saud, 34, was ordered to serve a minimum of 20 years by a judge at London's Old Bailey, also known as the Central Criminal Court.



"It is very unusual for a prince to be in the dock on a murder charge. No one in this country is above the law," judge David Bean told Saud as he sentenced him.

(Well, until the Sharia is implemented in Englestan. <- It's why the Engelsen shouldn't be wanting the Sharia. Because islamaniacs become Above the law then.)



The court convicted Saud on Tuesday of beating and strangling Bandar Abdullah Abdulaziz to death on February 15 at the culmination of a lengthy period of sexual violence towards his employee.



"It would be wrong for me to sentence you either more severely or more leniently because of your membership of the Saudi royal family," added the judge.



Saud -- whose mother is a daughter of Saudi Arabia's king -- had tried to claim diplomatic immunity when he was arrested following the discovery of his servant's body in their shared suite at the luxury Landmark hotel.



He reportedly had a diplomatic passport but Britain's Foreign Office confirmed he had no diplomatic status when asked by police.

(Tee hee hee.)



The two-week trial heard that Saud was fuelled by champagne and cocktails when he murdered the 32-year-old Abdulaziz in a ferocious attack after the pair had returned from a Valentine's Day night out.



The victim, also a Saudi, was left with severe injuries including bite marks on both cheeks which prosecutors said showed a clear "sexual element" to the killing.



The prince's lawyers argued that he could face the death penalty in Saudi Arabia over the revelations of homosexuality aired at the trial.

(So? He'll get executed.)



Saud had denied murder and a second charge of grievous bodily harm with intent in relation to an earlier alleged assault in a hotel lift that was captured on CCTV footage. He had admitted manslaughter.



The prince had claimed the pair were friends and that he was heterosexual, but the court heard the prince had ordered gay escorts in London and had frequently looked at websites for gay massage parlours and escort agencies.



Prosecutors said he repeatedly assaulted Abdulaziz and that two attacks were captured on CCTV by the hotel lift. The victim was so worn down by the violence that he let Saud kill him without a fight, they said.

(Poor, poor victim.

But here comes the 'revelation' of how a free man was made a victim of islamania. Rather like how islamic slavery and its slave markets famously lasted all the way into the first half of the 20th century. Did I say first half. I meant Until Even Now



Witnesses had told the court that Bandar -- an orphan who was adopted into the family of a low-ranking civil servant in Jeddah -- was treated "like a slave".

(Obviously it's the mercy of allah and his casta system - I mean, his islamaniac brotherhood.

The abuse must indeed have lasted a long time, no wonder he gave up resisting his murder.)



A post-mortem found Abdulaziz had suffered chipped teeth, heavy blows to the head, injuries to the brain and ears and severe neck injuries consistent with strangulation by hand, the trial heard.

Remember the revelations from not so long ago about the male sex slaves (including "ethnic" males, such as Africans etc) 'employed' by the faithfuls of the Vatican? Involved with the "Papal Gentlemen" or something? Whatever, news items on that are in the christianism thread. But just goes to show that

christianism = islamism = torture, slavery and tyranny.



But the subtopic was islam for the moment. So what was the spiel about 'islam being a brotherhood' or something again? I am sure people all over the free world puke absolutely every time they hear that pox of a joke.



But puke later. Because there's more to come.