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Posted by: HenryBic - 11-28-2025, 10:48 PM - Forum: General Topics
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Posted by: Michaelton - 11-27-2025, 04:03 PM - Forum: General Topics
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Lying down and vomiting between courses: This is how Ancient Romans would feast
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Imagine, if you will, the most glorious festive feast, with an oversize turkey, stuffing two ways, holiday ham, the requisite fixings and at least half a dozen pies and cakes. That may all sound grand — that is, until you consider the extravagant displays of the ancient Roman banquet.
Members of the Roman upper classes regularly indulged in lavish, hours-long feasts that served to broadcast their wealth and status in ways that eclipse our notions of a resplendent meal. “Eating was the supreme act of civilization and celebration of life,” said Alberto Jori, professor of ancient philosophy at the University of Ferrara in Italy.
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Ancient Romans enjoyed sweet and salty concoctions. Lagane, a rustic short pasta usually served with chickpeas, was also used to make a honey cake with fresh ricotta cheese. The Romans used garum, a pungent, salty fermented fish sauce for umami flavor in all dishes, even as a dessert topping. (For context, garum has a similar flavor profile and composition to current-day Asian fish sauces such as Vietnam’s nuoc mam and Thailand’s nam pla.) The prized condiment was made by leaving fish meat, blood and guts to ferment inside containers under the Mediterranean sun.
Game meat such as venison, wild boar, rabbit and pheasant along with seafood like raw oysters, shellfish and lobster were just some of the pricey foods that made regular appearances at the Roman banquet.
What’s more, hosts played a game of one-upmanship by serving over-the-top, exotic dishes like parrot tongue stew and stuffed dormouse. “Dormouse was a delicacy that farmers fattened up for months inside pots and then sold at markets,” Jori said. “While huge quantities of parrots were killed to have enough tongues to make fricassee.”
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Giorgio Franchetti, a food historian and scholar of ancient Roman history, recovered lost recipes from these repasts, which he shares in “Dining With the Ancient Romans,” written with “archaeo-cook” Cristina Conte. Together, the duo organize dining experiences at archaeological sites in Italy that give guests a taste of what eating like a Roman noble was all about. These cultural tours also delve into the eyebrow-raising rituals that accompanied these meals.
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Posted by: WesleyArror - 11-24-2025, 01:57 AM - Forum: General Topics
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Elusive shipwreck found in Lake Michigan over 100 years after sinking
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A “ghost ship” that sank in Lake Michigan nearly 140 years ago and eluded several search efforts over the past five decades has been found, according to researchers with the Wisconsin Underwater Archeology Association.
The wooden schooner got caught in a storm in the dead of night and went down in September 1886. In the weeks after, a lighthouse keeper reported the ship’s masts breaking the lake surface, and fishermen caught pieces of the vessel in their nets. Still, wreck hunters were unable to track down the ship’s location — until now.
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Earlier this year, a team of researchers with the Wisconsin Underwater Archeology Association and Wisconsin Historical Society located the shipwreck off the coastal town of Baileys Harbor, Wisconsin, the association announced on Sunday.
Named the F.J. King, the ship had become a legend within the Wisconsin wreck hunter community for its elusive nature, said maritime historian Brendon Baillod, principal investigator and project lead of the discovery.
“We really wanted to solve this mystery, and we didn’t expect to,” Baillod told CNN. “(The ship) seemed to have just vanished into thin air. … I actually couldn’t believe we found it.”
The wreck is just one of many that have been found in the Great Lakes in recent years, and there are still hundreds left to be recovered in Lake Michigan alone, according to Baillod.
The ‘ghost ship’
Built in 1867, the F.J. King plied the waters of the Great Lakes for the purpose of trans-lake commerce. The ship transported grains during a time when Wisconsin served as the breadbasket of the United States. The 144-foot-long (44-meter) vessel also carried cargo including iron ore, lumber and more.
The ship had a lucrative 19-year career until that September night when a gale-force wind caused its seams to break apart, according to the announcement. The captain, William Griffin, ordered the crew to evacuate on the ship’s yawl boat, from where they watched the F.J. King sink, bow first.
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Posted by: ravish - 10-16-2016, 03:44 PM - Forum: Military Discussion
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During the current visit of the Russian President to Goa, India - agreement has been reached to purchase six sets of SA-21 Surface to Air Missile systems at a estimated cost of Rs.40000 /- crores. This will be the first anti missile system to be procured by India. It has a range of 400 kms and is capable of destroying upto 36 targets simultaniously. It can be used against any flying object from aircraft to incoming missiles and even drones.In the face of continous nuclear threat from Pakistani leaders, it is a very timely acquisition and will certainly enhance national security.
Russia has also agreed to allow India the licensed production of light utility helecopters which will replace our Cheetak helecopters. The Indian navy will also be acquiring four medern warships, two of which will be built in Indian shipyards.All these measures will be art of the modernisation program which is long overdue.
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Posted by: ravish - 10-16-2016, 05:24 AM - Forum: Strategic Security of India
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The Surgical strike carried out by the Indian Army across the LOC in Jammu & Kashmir has come as a surprise to Pakistan. They had not expected such a strong reaction from India in retaliation to the continued terrorist attacks from across the border be it Pathankot or Uri. In the past India has always shown restraint and so the expectation of Pakistan had remained the same till the Surgical Strike took place. As a face saving measure, Pakistan has gone into a denial mode and has tried to pass on the incident as an exchange of fire across the LOC, which keeps on happening at regular intervals.
In Pakistanââ¬â¢s domestic politics this has caused unexpected fallout. It has perhaps for the first time made the decision makers realize how diplomatically isolated Pakistan has become in the international arena.AS reported in a section of the Pakistan media, the Foreign Secretary at a high level meeting indicated that even China has indicated that it cannot support Pakistan indefinitely on the issue of harboring terrorists like Hafiz Sayeed .It has also been leaked in the Press that certain terror groups are under the protection of the ISI and the civil administration can take no action against them. Let us now hope that some wiser sense will prevail on the Pakistani leadership.
In the special session of the Pakistan National Assembly which was called for discussing the Kashmir situation, a number of members accused the Government of harboring terrorist elements in the country and allowing them and their organization to operate freely in the country. They felt that this is the main cause which has tarnished the image of the country and the world community today considers Pakistan as a country that protects and propagates terrorism. They called upon the Government to reign in the terrorist outfits. They reminded the Government that the world has changed and today many countries in the world are victims of terrorist attacks and therefore these countries will not support any bad terrorist or good terrorist.
The Pakistan media has expressed the view that India today is the fastest growing economy in the world and its economic clout is helping it to diplomatically isolating Pakistan. They were surprised to take note of the fact that Pakistan's close friends of the past like Saudi Arabia, UAE and other countries of the Muslim Umma are today al busy fostering their friendship with India. Even Iran and Afghanistan are all siding with India. These developments have become matters of great concern to the Pakistan leadership.
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Posted by: ravish - 01-18-2016, 05:01 PM - Forum: Strategic Security of India
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The terrorist attack at the airbase in Pathankot has once again pointed out that the security of our defense installations needs to be improved and all other related procedures needs to be fine tuned. Fortunately, there has been no damage to the defense assets and neither there has been any civilian casualty.
Readers are welcome to express their views on the issue.
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| Useful Idiots: Indian christians' major contribution to draining India's wealth into Europe |
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Posted by: Husky - 01-24-2015, 09:37 AM - Forum: Business & Economy
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As in the title.
The colonial west couldn't have impoverished India so completely without the help of their ever helpful Useful Idiots: Indian christians. And converts never saw how they were used (just as they still don't, just like the converted E Timorese didn't see it either).
Thread need not be limited to historical cases, as it is inevitable that the more India converts to christianism, the more the converts will slave away to do the christoconditioned west's bidding. The worst situation will be when all of India is converted to monotheism: the west will pull an East Timor, favouring islam over the idiot Indian christian converts, if islam happens to be more useful in the long run, and certainly if it is more numerous/has more power over the Indian resources the west wants. Unlike the west, islam primarily wants people - converts - not resources. The west pretends to want converts, but only to have more power over resources and better access (such as for their bases).
So, the west and islam get along quite well, which is why they made a nice pact in E Timor and sacrificed the christo-converted E Timorese for this.
Indian christians imagine that the west actually cares about their conversion to christianism/their status as christians. The converts' naivete is quite pathetic. Nothing has changed from the colonial era when Indian christians were merely a means to loot the Indian nation of its wealth and when Indian christians were merely a fifth column set up by the west to get what the *west* wanted from India and Indians (including the useful idiots=Indian christians).
This thread is actually created as a placeholder to post the material meant for substantiating the following claimed in another thread:
[quote name='Husky' date='02 January 2015 - 10:31 PM' timestamp='1420217590' post='117501']
As seen in the first article, the west very much intends for Indian christians to keep islamania occupied, to become foot soldiers in a war against islam, to keep islam occupied in prolonged bloody wars/strife, to keep the west from having to get into a messy fight with islam and to christoislamise India (which turns it into a nation paying tribute to the west and a permanent 3rd world hell-hole like Iraq now and TSP). At 150 million - as per American missions - and expected to grow, Indian christians are very great in number, not to mention on fire to do the bidding of their christian masters as their first and only loyalty is to christianism. And the west did always consider Indians - convert or not - expendable and merely a means to an end. (More fool Indian converts to christianism if they didn't know this. Even in the colonial era, several missionaries are documented as speaking haughtily about their converts whom they didn't even like. And you can find American missionaries still writing among themselves that the African and Indian converts they have made are 'idiots, but at least they're christian.' Nothing much has changed from the colonial era.)
There are missionary journal articles on why the Brits were so interested in converting Travancore's population to christianism: missionaries set up plantations to take over the region's famous wealth and converted bonded labourers working in agro into willing slaves for christian plantation missions instead (which seemed like no change in their circumstances, except their situation actually went from bad to worse, as admitted by missionaries themselves) - all in order to redirect the wealth into British hands instead of leaving it in the hands of independent Travancore, and to let the Brits control this wealth and send it back to Britain, depleting even the wealth of a part of India outside British rule. Moreover, converts would allow Britain to takeover Travancore if the chance arose/if it became necessary or useful, as sheep were always loyal to their christomasters, however alien. The same way that Indian christos have loyalty to their western masters now and are regularly remote controlled by the US.
Similarly, the Portuguese were interested in converting the Paravas, because the latter's pearl industry was worth a fortune, which Portugal eyed for itself: once again the indigenous wealth (indigenous while the Paravas were Hindu) was diverted to foreign christian nations by converting the wealth-generating Parava community into sheep. When a fight broke out between Jesuits and the Portuguese catholic rule in Goa about who could control the Paravas (for the wealth they generated), the Jesuits and Portuguese nearly destroyed the converted community by stoking civil war within the Parava community. Sheep are THAT stupid: they played right into the hands of both the Jesuits and the catholic Portuguese infesting Goa at the time. Non-existent jeebus was always a convenient fiction to rob the nitwitted converts blind.
The point being that christowest does not care about Indian converts and never did. They view them in terms of the resources, wealth and labour that they represent, and now also as a buttress against islamic jihad. Europe does not have the numbers it is willing to sacrifice against ISIS and AQ, let alone if either spreads to populous TSP-E/W or Indonesia. Indian christian converts make good footsoldiers for the west - plus christians love nothing better than to be "persecuted" and play "martyr" - plus the west always wanted to reduce the subcontinent's population. So christian converts are already marked as expendables, meant to be expended a.o.t. to survive.[/quote]
In a document somewhere on my HDD, had already excerpted passages - and inserted my own interfering comments here and there - from several journal articles penned by western missionaries, where they accidentally reveal the crucial bits of info. Two or more of the articles were mainly intended as evangelical psy-ops against Hindu religion, but in the course of this, the alien christos blabbed useful details about how the Brits and Portuguese etc actually operated and what they were actually in it for and what they actually thought of their converted sheep (to put it mildly: they *really* looked down on them. Nothing has changed.)
I plan to locate that document. In the meantime, a week or so back, happened upon the following which totally fits in with the same theme: that of this thread -
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Quote:B said, on May 7, 2012 at 11:24 am
ââ¬ÅThe French traveller Tavernier reputedly (call it ancient industrial espionage) took that technology to Europe.
Regarding intellectual property theft/ industrial espionage, more research needs to be done. See this regarding Indian textile technology.
Please see Cotton: The Biography of a Revolutionary Fiber By Stephen Yafa p.30
ââ¬Åââ¬ÂAs for the Indian methods of ââ¬Åanimalizingââ¬Â cotton, they remained mysterious to most European printers until much later than might be expected ââ¬â for seventy years after the arrival of chintz. Ironically, it was a man of the cloth, Jesuit Father Coeurdoux, who betrayed these fiercely guarded secrets. In 1742 the French cleric took advantage of his missionary posting on the Coromandel coast to gain the trust of Indian master dyers whom he had converted to Catholicism. They confided their secret process to him with an understanding that he would never reveal it. Coeurdoux immediately gave a detailed description in a step-by-step letter published in France. In a blink, three thousand years of clandestine artisan practice became public knowledge.ââ¬Âââ¬Â
This missionary Jesuit Father Coeurdoux also seems to have played an active role in ââ¬Ëtemple/idolââ¬â¢ breaking in Pondicherry.
(Oh but of course. It always goes hand in hand: christian faithfulness/iconoclasm, missionising, MNCs and the making of the 3rd world. I have a feeling that that last phrase is the title of a book or something, it sounds so familiar. Oh yes, no wonder it's familiar: "Late Victorian Holocausts: El-Nino Famines & the Making of the 3rd World")
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Anuraag Sanghi said, on May 7, 2012 at 12:15 pm
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After: ââ¬â
1. Intellectual property theft, the West mechanized textile technology
2. With which they further visited depredation on the global textile industry
3. While protecting their own markets till about 10 years ago, using the Multi-Fibre Agreement
4. They talk of free markets and intellectual property rights
This behaviour is not surprising.
What is surprising is the wide-eyed admiration that some of us have of the West!
Note all the converted 2nd and 3rd world are forever subordinated because they can't escape christianism: they object within the hierarchy but are never able to break the cycle. That's because they are christian and part of the system and uphold the christian caste hierarchy.
And so, one sees South/Central American pastors asking the US - which became rich by stealing from S/C America - about how the wealth of North America is directly proportional to the poverty of South America.
They have asked multiple times. Nothing has changed. If they were anything but christian - if the E Timorese had been anything but christian - they'd have thrown off the yoke or tried to.
But christianism has a way of undermining all and making third worlds out of industrious populations who would have been 1st worlders weren't it for christian meddling (missionising) and of course the treachery of the 5th column (the local converts in their midst). Let's be honest, if India had no christoislam infesting it and constantly blocking its rise every which way, India would already be affluent - a "1st world country" - like Japan. And not despite Hindu religion but *because* of Hindu religion.
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Posted by: Husky - 01-21-2015, 03:42 AM - Forum: Indian Culture
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(Actual example cases will appear in the next posts.)
This thread is on how aliens (infiltrators) always sabotage any jetsetting Indian cult that becomes prominent/popular or even just a part of alien scenery.
E.g. ISKCON which was - and will be again - marred by child sex abuse scandals, Sai Baba had way too many alien "followes and the same thing happened there. Then there was Nityananda, also exposed by alien and native women for alleged sexual misconduct too.
I don't care if these people/orgs are allegedly innocent and if it was false allegations or cryptochristo infiltrators that have tarred them.
My point is that these "charismatic" "swamis" or organisations are actually a threat to real Hindoo religion and Hindoo society because they invite aliens to come terrorise Hindoodom. The same problem seen in anti-Hindu govts allowing "certificates of conversion to Hinduism" to *alien* converts, so that these can invade Hindoo temples and sacred sites in the Hindoo homeland. Who invited aliens? Not traditional Hindoo society. Only jetsetting Indian cults/Indian cults conceitedly seeking western conversion=approval=admiration.
So whether the allegations of misconduct and foul play against the various cults "movements" be true or not, the ill-fame is all actually good for Hindoos and their Hindoo religion, because traditional Hindoos never wanted aliens to "convert" or "dabble" and are Not grateful to jetsetting cults inviting western people and thereby facilitating alien dabbling.
For now, Indians - unable to wake up to the threat - only speak about international Indian cults not "vetting" aliens properly etc. That is, the "error" is apparently in not choosing quality aliens but blindly accepting any and all. In reality, lots of aliens who are made "swamis" and given high rank and position tend to be the greatest infiltratis of all: inculturationists, subversionists, you name it.
But like native Americans, Hindus may realise the scale and extent of the real threat too late, but even Hindus may in time realise it.
So that eventually:
+ Hindus *will* realise that all alien-dabbling=aliens=bad, without nonsensically trying to differentiate between "good aliens (good alien dabbling)" and "bad aliens (bad alien dabbling)". Because neither belong in Hindoos' ancestral heathenism.
+ Hindus *will* one day - too late, of course - come to the very same conclusions as the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota native N Americans who issued their declaration of war to all alien-dabblers and the native traitors facilitating both alien dabbling and the conversion of their heathenism into new-ageisms. At present Malhotra is only objecting to aliens' dismantling and usurping of Indian religions, eventually even he may twig that dabbling by aliens=unheathens are universally the problem, and that all Indian attempts to universalise Hindu religion (to use my own words) is the other half of that problem.
Hindus too will issue a Declaration of War on that day - the realisation itself an indicator that it is all too late and the damage is beyond reparable at that point - banning all alien dabbling (including "converts" etc) and invasion of temples, and banning "Hindu" charlatans inviting aliens to dabble and selling "Hinduism Lite" under various new-age labels to alien climes.
- puffin.creighton.edu/lakota/war.html
- thepeoplespaths.net/articles/warlakot.htm
+ aliens will cease to "join up" in jetsetting Indian cults, or to learn aspects of Hindoo religion from Hindoos, becoming more set against Hindoo religion as an "evil" (though they will still dabble in Pure Vedicism and other rebranded alien variants unashamedly poached from Hindoo religion) and so aliens will cease to terrorise Hindoos in the homeland. It will take much longer for aliens to grow so tired and bored with all things Hindooism - whether under that name or others like "Pure Vedicism" - that they stop dabbling altogether. But by that time, no doubt the alien vampires will have started to en-masse suck the life out of Taoism etc next, although beginnings to this end have already been made by many alien dabblers, though not the majority. And Taoism will be subjected to the levels of oryanist dabbling seen in Hindoo religion, when Victor Mair et al have had some more decades to brainwash the world into believing that Taoism's origins are derived from some oryan religion. Then the alien's sense of entitlement to all things oryan will take over and they will - in larger numbers than are at it now - do to Chinese religion what they have been doing to Hindoo religion. <- This is actually in large part Hindus' fault. Perhaps Hindus are paying for it in advance? Time will tell. The irony of course is that traditional Taoists have always taken cares to keep their religion entirely private from prying envious alien eyes and prohibit dabbling still. Nevertheless, Hindus having encouraged aliens' self-entitlement complex, will have fed the alien frenzy for dabbling and grown their self-entitlement so much more that aliens will just leap into Taoism without even waiting for jetsetting cults to issue invitations.
All sincere western people (i.e. of the christoconditioned world) would be returning to their own ancestral religion=Gods, never dabbling in others' ancestral heathenisms, and there's no two ways about this. As argument: How would Hindoos react if a Hindu said they were converting out to Hellenismos (or Taoism)? I mean, both are like the regional/ethnic equivalents of the Indian variant of heathenism, Hindoo religion. So why would any Hindoo convert to Taoism or Hellenismos. *Likewise* it makes no sense for western people to convert to Hindoo religion, when their own ancestral heathenisms exist, and most importantly because their ancestral Gods cannot die and live forever and therefore yet exist, and so they can very definitely regain their ancestral heathenism (with some effort) if they but sincerely pursued their ancestral Gods.
But aliens don't because they are either new-agey of mind and want to dabble or because they are christian of mentality and want to infiltrate Hindoo religion and Indian cults and scuttle these.
A lot of posts that belong equally in this thread - such as those arguing against alien dabbling, and examples of alien dabbling that none but morons among "Hindu" Indians would welcome - have already been posted in other IF threads. Some newer examples follow.
The actual War Declaration of the Lakota/Nakota/Dakota:
puffin.creighton.edu/lakota/war.html
And here are the considerations and arguments that gave rise to their Declaration of War:
thepeoplespaths.net/articles/warlakot.htm
Quote:Article On The
"Lakota Declaration of War"
By Valerie Taliman
Copyright é 1993 Taliman
All Rights Reserved
This article is from the twice monthly newspaper, News From Indian Country, 1993. As published by Indian Country Communications, Inc. with offices at Rt.2 Box 2900A, Hayward, WI 54843.
It also appeared in The Circle, 1530 E. Franklin Ave., Minneapolis, MN 55404 (612) 871-4555. Subscription - $15/yr; $25 2 yrs. Voted BEST NATIVE AMERICAN MONTHLY NEWSPAPER - 1991, 1993 by the Native American Journalists Association.
While Native Nations continue the flight for religious freedom rights, "New Age" hucksters and other exploiters of Indian spirituality run rampant throughout the country, forcing Native people to take a stand against the desecration of their spiritual ways.
As more people turn away from conventional religions and seek spiritual solace in alternative beliefs such as the New Age movement, increasing numbers of Euroamericans "wannabe" Indians when it comes to spirituality. But in their quest to learn and practice Indian ways, non-Indians have often abused sacred ceremonies and ceremonial objects suck as pipes and medicine bundles. And that abuse of the sacred, say many medicine people, is causing turmoil in Native societies prompting some spiritual leaders to speak out against further desecration of ceremonial ways.
At the Lakota Summit V, an international gathering of US and Canadian Lakota, Dakota and Nakota nations, about 500 representatives from 40 different tribes and bands of the Lakota unanimously passed a "Declaration of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality." The summit was held June 7 to 11, 1993.
The Declaration of War is intended for those who "persist in exploiting, abusing and misrepresenting the sacred traditions and spiritual practices of the Lakota people." The declaration denounces individuals involved in the New Age movement, shamanism, cultists, neopaganists and the men's movement who promote "intolerable and obscene imitations of sacred Lakota rites."
"For too long we have suffered the unspeakable indignity of having our most precious Lakota ceremonies and spiritual practices desecrated, mocked and abused by non-Indian wannabes, hucksters, cultists, and self-styled New Age shamans and their followers," the Declaration of War reads.
"The absurd public posturing of this scandalous assortment of pseudo-Indian charlatans, wannabes, commercial profiteers and cultists comprise a momentous obstacle in the struggle of traditional Lakota people for adequate public appraisal of the legitimate political, legal and spiritual needs of real Lakota people."
Wilmer Mesteth, a traditional spiritual leader and Lakota culture instructor at Oglala Lakota College, told the summit participants that he was aware that sacred ceremonies were being imitated and even sold by non-Indians as well as certain Indian people.
"We have to put a stop to it," Mesteth said. "We are the ones who were given these ceremonies so that the people would remain together and strong. We were told to take care of these ceremonies so that our children and their children would have future.
"For a long time we have stood by and watched this abuse going on and we see how it is affecting the people. Nut now its time to take a stand to defend our people and our ways."
Mesteth, along with Darrell Standing Elk and Phyllis Swift Hawk, was one of the principal authors of the Declaration of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality, which urges Lakota people to prevent "our own people from contributing to and enabling the abuse of our sacred ceremonies by outsiders and certain ones among our people who are prostituting our spiritual ways for their own selfish gain, with no regard for the spiritual well being of the people as a whole."
It also urges people to identify instances where sacred tradition are being abused and to work toward stopping the abuse through demonstrations, boycotts, press coverage and direct intervention.
With many other spiritual leaders present and in support of the document, Mesteth told the crowd, "Sacred traditions like our Lakota Pipe ceremony, vision quests, sweatlodge ceremonies and the sundance were given to us by our Creator and have enabled Indian people to survive a 500 year holocaust," he said. "Those sacred tradition are precious to us and can't allow them to be desecrated and abused."
One hot spot that has attracted the ire of Lakota spiritual leaders is California's Bay Area, where street vendors on Telegraph Avenue routinely sell drug paraphernalia made from sacred pipestone.
New Agers in the elite section of San Francisco hold their weekly "sweat ceremonies" with rocks heated in propane barbecue pits and living room fireplaces. Many charge admission for imitation sweat lodge ceremonies, vision quests and puberty ceremonies for young women that are performed by self proclaimed "shamans."
Lakota songs and prayers are often used as are rituals from many other tribes and mixed with non-Indian occult practices. Many medicine people say that these groups are creating a hodgepodge of harmful and offensive imitation ceremonies that exploit and abuse spiritual traditions of the Lakota and other tribes.
To meet the growing demand for Native spiritual knowledge, Bay Area universities and institutions have responded to the growing demand for Native spiritual knowledge by offering classes that purport to teach the particulars of vision quests, sundances, shamanism and the "Good Red Road" way of life.
(Comparable to the various western-self-appointed wannabes and dabblers who set themselves up to teach yoguh and tantra and "shaivam" - see a book by an anti-Hindu (from Oxford uni IIIRC) reviewed by Koenraad Elst at koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2013/06/tantra-for-practitioner.html and the book's dabbling author has profusely spammed the comments section - and the 'vedas' and 'mantras' in general. And how western universities have anti-Hindu aliens to "teach" "Hinduism" by deliberately distorting it in the worst possible ways. It's what the west has always done.
The west - esp. its universities - "teaching" native American religion/spirituality in order to cheapen it and make it new-age is also *deliberate* genocide by the way. Ex-christian AmeriKKKans went through a phase of wanting to dabble in native American religion and AmeriKKKan christians/academe quickly noticed the "threat" to their "christian civilisation" of so many people dabbling in native American religion that they invested heavily in subverting native American religion in order to put a stop to it and to kill native Americans some more.
That is exactly what is happening now with Hindoo religion too.)
As the epidemic of exploitation and expropriation of Indian spirituality continues to spread, more Native people are taking direct action to put a stop to the "spiritual genocide" being committed by those who imitate Lakota ceremonies.
John LaVelle, a Santee Dakota living in the Bay Area, recently was shoved and pushed into the street for confronting a Berkeley street vendor who regularly sells pipestone carved into marijuana pipes. Police responded to the scuffle and assault charges were subsequently filed against the vendors.
LaVelle's actions are part of the ongoing efforts of the center for the SPIRIT (Support and Protection of Indian Religions and Indigenous Traditions), a San Francisco-based organization of Indian people committed to halting the exploitation of Native ceremonies. The Center in dedicated to protecting Indian spiritual practices and traditions and is working to raise public awareness on American Indian religious freedom issues.
Darrell Standing Elk, a Sicangu Lakota and long-time traditional Lakota counselor who serves as board president of the Center, said the situation in the Bay Area reached a point where he and other Native people felt that something had to be done.
The Center for the Spirit has made a practice of confronting and refuting books, literature and seminars promoted by self-proclaimed "medicine people" such as Lynn Andrews, a Beverly Hills housewife-turned-shaman. Andrews has written several best-sellers on her journey to becoming a "medicine woman" under the tutelage of a Canadian Indian elder and conducts expensive, and very popular, seminars on shamanism.
At this year's Whole Life Expo, a conference of "New Age thought" held in Los Angeles in March, Center staff and members of the local American Indian Movement confronted Andrews and tried to convince her to admit that what she was writing about was fantasy, not Indian spirituality. Andrews is reportedly considering the proposal but has not officially responded as she is negotiating a movie deal, according to Patti Jo King, a publicist for the Center.
(Can compare with Penguin publishers' unPerumal unMurugan's fantasy-derived libel against Hindoo communities in Tiruchengode.
Also like anti-Hindu Donigers' and new-agey aliens' nonsense about Hindu religion should all be made to admit they are indulging in fantasy.
And the "pure vedicism" nonsense meant to replace Hindus with aliens, i.e. to dislodge Hindoos from Hindoo religion.)
As Native Nations lobby Congress and work toward strengthening the Native American Free Exercise of Religion Act (NAFER), Standing Elk noted that it is imperative that supporters address the exploitation of Indian spirituality. "We are in danger of having our sacred spiritual ways stolen from us - the key to our survival," he said. "We must raise a united voice of protest against those who steal our spiritual traditions and tell them 'You cannot have them, not today, not tomorrow, NEVER.'"
:applause:
Exactly. Hindus need to *learn* from these people who - unlike modern Hindus - tend to have the sense to at least learn from their experience of the behaviour and character of aliens.
So ok, admittedly modern Hindus are nowhere near as clever as native Americans - seen in how the more English that modern "Hindus" can speak, the more desperate they are for foreign converts and defending alien dabbling. But you know, once in a while, even modern Hindus should stop being conceited and try to learn from other similar heathen populations' experiences instead of re-inventing the wheel.
Hindus should likewise pull the rug from underneath aliens' feet and declare - as is the truth - that there are no aliens who have ever been genuinely "initiated" into anything Hindoo.
Nothing but subversion and death of heathenism comes from aliens. They are spiritual "vampires" who like to suck the life out of heathenisms. It's all they can do. Because they are aliens. (If they weren't alien=unheathens, they'd be practising their own ancestral heathenism instead of terrorising that of others.)
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