[size="3"]The objective of this thread is to collect news and information related to covert/overt monitoring of activities of people by governments and establishments, along with data-warehousing of captured data followed by data mining and profiling of individuals.



This is the surveillance society that Orwell describes in his dystopian novel "1984," published in 1949.



Orwell's dystopia is not much different from how things seem to be panning out.



My comments, within quoted material, will be [color="#ff00ff"]{ like this }[/color]

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Recently, MMS asked for statehood for Palestine in UN General Assembly and the very next day Pak's foreign Minister was raising Kashmir as equivalent of Palestine though outside UN Assembly. Still, you can see where the strings are being pulled from.

Now coming straight to topic;

WASHINGTON: Analysts foresee many twists in the 2012 White House race, as there is no clear frontrunner and campaign rules will leave the field open even after first votes are cast.



The rise of the " Tea Party" movement has undermined the tradition of nominating a presidential candidate and new way of awarding delegates has eliminated hastened selection of a nominee, the Los Angeles Times reports.



The rise of super PACs, independent political financing organizations, permit a candidate to stay in the race even after their campaign's funds are exhausted, thus extending the race beyond the first few contests. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news...209398.cms

Kalakshetra is a famous centre of inculturation on the Hindu (i.e. religious) dance Bharatanatyam (it is of the Hindu Gods and for worship of the Hindu Gods alone.) Kalakshetra is filled with christians and christo-conditioned (aka "seculars").



=> Kalakshetra inculturation



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1. www.haindavakeralam.com/hkpage.aspx?PageID=8881&SKIN=C

Quote:Inculturation and the Hybrid Bible

30/06/2009 14:26:06



By G P Srinivasan



Kalakshetra Foundation, Chennai, an Institution established for promoting Hindu Dance forms, is used for inculturation by its Jew-Christian Director. She has removed the Nataraja and Ganesh statues from its premises, which is certainly a matter of concern for Hindus (Hindu Voice, Sept. 2007).

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[RajivMalhotraDiscussion] Response to Indian dancer upset at my critique of Christian Bharatnatyam

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9.After the recent highly successful book event in Houston, the organizers received an email from a dancer in Houston about an upcoming performance by Leela Samson's students. When someone sent the Breaking India excerpt about Leela Samson to this dancer, she replied that Breaking India had "resurrected the scandal" against Leela Sampson 4 years after Sampson's supporters had declared it "a dead issue or a non issue". Since it was a private letter forwarded to me for a response, I will not name the person. The letter claimed that the "attacks against Leela Sampson" in 2007 were the work of one man based on "some internal 'politics' and innuendos" within the dance academy. It went on to say that "the dance community of India strongly supported Leela Samson and discredited Nadar's accusations as scurrilous religion-based comments." The protestor proudly asserts: "I am a dancer, from Chennai, and to me, the Kalakshetra is a 'shrine' to [color="#FF0000"]art[/color] built by Rukmini Devi..."

[color="#800080"](First step of christianism and its christoconditioning is to always reduce heathen religious practice to culture or spirituality or "art". So Bindi and Pongal become "culture", Yoga becomes "spirituality" and "exercise" while Hindu temples, sculpting, painting and of course music and dance become "art".)[/color]



10.I agree with her on the prestigious dance academy being a shrine. I disagree with her on what that entails. To understand the syndrome we are dealing with, it is important to first understand the strategy known as inculturation and its colonizing influences upon a growing number of Indian dancers, such as this protestor. [color="#0000FF"]What this dancer feels is precisely the result of inculturation - namely, to de-Hinduize the tradition in such a manner that it is welcomed by the practitioners who begin to see this shift as a kind of modernization and globalization program. The first stage is to diminish the dharmic metaphysical context by emptying the symbols of their deeper meanings, and this gets gradually secularized and eventually Christianized.[/color]

[color="#800080"](Not mere internationalisation, but universalisation: "belongs to everyone, it's 'just' spirituality" nonsense. It's a grave threat to Hindus and their religion.)[/color]



11.The students learn to perform across a wide range of improvisations and stories depending on the given audience. From the most traditional to the most distant from tradition, there is a spectrum with the following stages:



12.1) very traditional Hindu

13.2) modern but still Hindu

14.3) use of Hindu symbols but without explaining their traditional meaning

15.4) symbols turned into decorations and generic spirituality, to be sprinkled in for exotic/ethnic beauty

16.5) total secularization

17.6) Christian stories, but still using the traditional dance grammar, dress, gestures

18.7) dancing stories of protest against the tradition's "oppression" against women, Dalits, etc.



19.Ever since Christian institutions across India and the West started taking over Indian dance academies, they have been increasingly producing such students in the name of modernity. The performer will do different things before different audiences. This is sort of equivalent to what is called "al taqiyah" in Islam, namely, to be respectful to the majority culture and traditions for the time being.



20.Inculturation is at a highly advanced stage of perfection in India. It was started by the church first in Latin America and Africa to gradually convert tribes by infiltrating them gently with appropriation of their culture. [color="#0000FF"]The western trend of Christian Yoga is a part of the same syndrome. There are many such appropriations that confuse Indians into thinking it is a complement to them.[/color] I deal with this partly in my forthcoming book "Being Different", and in greater detail in my subsequent "U-Turn Theory".

[color="#800080"](That's not the only thing they're appropriating.

Also, christianism started inculturation as early as its infestation of Rome itself.)[/color]



21.What I would greatly appreciate from Leela Sampson's academy is a clear statement of policy on inculturation and secularization of Bharatnatyam: Does she claim that this dance can be performed either as Hindu form or as non Hindu form? Does she believe that our postmodern era makes it easier (and hence desirable) to teach and learn dance that is "liberated" from Hinduism? Does she feel that Bharatnatyam is separable from its underlying metaphysics - a metaphysics that my book "Being Different" shows to be incompatible with the fundamental metaphysics of Abrahamic religions?



22.In other words, let us get Sampson's clear position on what is the relationship between (i) Hinduism and Natya Shastra and (ii) Natya Shastra and Bharatnatyam.

23.Until such questions are debated openly and dealt with, the protestor is making a meaningless and potentially insincere compliment to Rukmani Devi and "the dancers that she had helped train, and who still carry aloft the torch of Bharatanatyam." She must go deeper than a mere surface understanding of the syndrome.

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[color="#0000FF"]25.But she is unlikely to do any such deep introspection. Her final sentence in the letter clarifies her escapist mindset: "It is a heavy book with disturbing writings. I'd rather spend time studying Vedanta..." This interpretation of Vedanta as an escape from whatever one finds "disturbing" and "heavy" is one of the symptoms of what I have called the Moron Smriti. But that is the topic of yet another book and I won't go further into it here.[/color]

[color="#800080"](Rajeev is wrong in his diagnosis about that last. The whole "going into (new-age pseudo-) Vedanta" thing is a sign of de-heathenisation/christianisation in some people and even a sign of cryptochristianism in others.

I think it was Ishwar Sharan who tried to explain the dangers of this shift among - invariably new-age - Hindus.)[/color]



26.Regards,

27.Rajiv Malhotra

Folks:



There is a talk by Bharat Karnad along with a get together being organized by some members, who post at Bharat Rakshak forums.



The date for the event is Nov 13 around noon.



If there are members here, who are interested to attend, please send an email to t dot shaurya at gmail



Space is limited, so please let us know at ASAP.



Hope the moderators do not mind this thread. Thanks.



PS: Profile of Bharat Karnad: http://www.cprindia.org/users/bharat-karnad

“Vedic”, comes from the word “Veda” in Sanskrit, which means knowledge.Vedic Astrology system that originated in ancient India.Vedic astrology deals with astral light patterns that are thought to determine our destiny. People in western countries have recently become interested in Vedic astrology and Vedic astrology readings because it's becoming known as a very effective tool in giving clarity to resolving the dilemmas of life.

The visit of Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh to Bangladesh may open up a new dimension to the bilateral relations between the two countries. As we all know a sizable section of the Bangladesh public hate India for a variety of reasons. Some do it for historic reason, as they have been taught to do so since the time Bangladesh was East Pakistan. Others do it as they see India as a predominantly Hindu nation and hence cannot be a friend.



Within these limitations, it is to be seen how far the Awami League Government will go ahead with the various important proposals. The most important perhaps will be the agreement on the exchange of the enclaves. On this it is expected that the sailing will be much easier as it entails some more land area being transferred to Bangladesh. With regard to the other proposals, one should keep the finger crossed.



On the Indian side also the refusal of the West Bengal Chief Minister to go to Dhaka has put a spoke on the sharing of the Tista water. It will be used by the opposition in Bangladesh to a great extent to project how India is unjustly denying the rightful share to BD. It may become a repeat of the Farakka problem and the politics surrounding the same, of which BNP took full advantage.



The long pending Indian proposal for transit route through Bangladesh to the North Eastern States is another politically sensitive issue in Bangladesh politics. Knowing very well that it will bring substantial economic benefits to Bangladesh, the opposition parties will voice serious concerns on many imaginary fears.



In the above circumstances one has to wait and see how far the visit of Prime Minister will yield results.

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Is Hare Krsna Iskcon a hindu religion or was Prabhupad influenced by years spent in catholic school to form a misionary religion ,similar whit christianity?

Let’s look more carefully at what “Prabhupada" said in the

Room conversation February 14 1977, Sri Dhama Mayapura



Satsvarüpa: Lord Caitanya, when Ramananda Raya brought this up (That the perfection of life can be achieved by following Varna-ashrama dharma) He said it was not possible in this age to introduce this.



Prabhupäda: “Yes. Not... He did not say possible. Ihä bähya”

(He said that it is external- iha bahya, meaning that it has nothing to do with the true nature of the soul – divine love for Krishna) Caitanya Mahaprabhu was interested only on the spiritual platform. He had no idea of material side. He rejected material side.”

Satsvarüpa: But don’t we do that also?



Prabhupäda: No. Our position is different. …



In this statement “Prabhupada” rejects this teaching of Sri Caitanya, saying that what if

Caitanya Mahaprabhu was interested only on the spiritual platform…

Our position is different. (meaning that one should be interested also in something else than spiritual platform-

eventually practicing karma (in reality vi-karma) mishra bhakti – under the later label daivi varNashram dharma, which in the beginning of his preaching in the west SB Narayan M. reject too)



It is true that everybody can choose what he pleases, or is qualified for. Everyone has his/her own independent potency – shatantra shakti, and follow his own iccha shakti desires.

One can follow Sri Caitanya’s teaching or one can follow “Prabhupada” teaching.







“Prabhupada” knew siddhanta:

“… Caitanya Mahäprabhu personally took sannyäsa. He rejected completely material. Nishkincana – (one must get rid of any material possessions).”



And than he says again that his followers should not take up this teaching of Sri Caitanya:

“But we are not going to be nishkincana. We are trying to cement the troubled position of the...”



And for the fact that he don’t want to follow this teaching of Sri Caitanya he says that there is a prescription in the Bhagavad-gita:



“That is also in the prescription of Bhagavad-gétä. We are not rejecting the whole society.”



The idea to model the society is of course very nice, so that it may bring a good environment for spiritual practices. But this was not the concern or the teaching of Sri Caitanya, and “Prabhupada” knew it well, than he says further:



“Caitanya Mahäprabhu rejected everything, ihä bähya. Rejected meaning, “I do not take much interest in this.” Bähya. “It is external.” He was simply interested in the internal, the spiritual.”

“But our duty is that we shall arrange the external affairs also so nicely that one day they will come to the spiritual platform very easily, paving the way. “



But Sri Caitanya doesn’t say that this would be our duty (Sri Caitanya says this is external, this has noting to do with the duty or true nature of the soul – divine love for Krishna / Radha-krishna, caused by tasting His sweetness and beauty).



And Prabhupada adds:



"And Caitanya Mahäprabhu, personality like that,.."



This is cheating, Sri Caitanya rejected it. How can He like that what He rejects it?!



Here it is the core of the teachings of Prabhupada and his teacher SB Sarasvati:



… But we are preaching. We are preaching. Therefore we must pave the situation in such a way that gradually they will be promoted to the spiritual plane, which is not required

[url="http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article2408994.ece"]Save the lives of three convicts: Karunanidhi[/url]

There is a great jubilation all over India at the moment as most political parties have come to consensus on the Jan Lok Pal Bill. This is the corner stone of India's fight against corruption. Kudos to Anna Hazare and his team!

[size="6"]I was watching a debate on ND TV news and was left with the feeling that the host gave more time to people who spoke for the government. In fact some of the views expressed by UPA supporters indicated a blatant nexus between them, the news channel and the Government. Sad state of affairs. [/size]