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Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 02-27-2009
<b>Mel's Merry Messianic Movie Missionaries:An Analysis of Apocalypto and Other Silver Screen Savagery </b>
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Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 02-28-2009
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...erodsCoins.html
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The most common coin (prutah) of Herod the Great is similar to Hasmonean coins - an anchor with Greek inscription âHRwD BACIâ (King Herod), and a caduceus between double cornucopiae.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
imagery absent in this case.
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 02-28-2009
âThe New Testament is the Old Testament revealed; the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed.â
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Cicero, On the Nature of the Gods, 2.27
There is a remark of Timæus which, like many of his, shows ingenuity; after saying in his history that the temple of the Ephesian Diana had been burnt down on the same night that Alexander was born, he added that that was by no means to be wondered at, since Diana wishing to be present at the delivery of Olympias had been absent from her home.
Cicero, On Divination, 1.23
Everybody knows that on the same night in which Olympias was delivered of Alexander the temple of Diana at Ephesus was burned, <b>and that the magi began to cry out as day was breaking: âAsiaâs deadly curse was born last night.
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Plutarch, Alexander
Alexander was born the sixth of Hecatombaeon, which month the Macedonians call Lous, the same day that the temple of Diana at Ephesus was burnt; which Hegesias of Magnesia makes the occasion of a conceit, frigid enough to have stopped the conflagration. The temple, he says, took fire and was burnt while its mistress was absent, assisting at the birth of Alexander. And all the Eastern soothsayers who happened to be then at Ephesus, looking upon the ruin of this temple to be the forerunner of some other calamity, ran about the town, beating their faces, and crying that this day had brought forth something that would prove fatal and destructive to all Asia. link<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 02-28-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->.... The British were the darkeners of the light, the precursors of the modern Indian infidel state. British historians in the past have tended to see Muslim rule as a preface to their own, and their own as a restoration of ordered life in a decayed society and the introduction of fresh light from the West, and more particularly the Western isles.[2]
This concept of progress seems to be at work behind the statement that ââ¬ÅBritish historians in the past tended to see Muslim rule as a preface to their own, and their own as a restoration of ordered life in a delayed societyââ¬Â. Ironically, the author himself ends up by viewing British rule itself in relation to India through the same prism![3]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the double colonialism dynamic.
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 03-02-2009
The babylonian period, the persian period, etc, are all included in the gospels as evidence of prophetic prowess. The roman empire, in contrast, is the singular one that mutates repeatedly down to second coming of the christ caesar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg3gHT0_ins
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 03-02-2009
Art and Judaism in the Greco-Roman World
by Steven Fine
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 03-04-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I cringed throughout the film.The acts were so sickening.It offered no hope to slum children or beggars,since its catharsis lied in winning a tv quiz show,a plot u rightly call banal.<b>I was shocked to see peope laughing at jokes,two minutes after seeing a scene of absolute pain/poverty.</b>Feel good?No.
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No need to be surprised. It is Gospel genre. Not surprisingly, "slum..." has become a universal term of abuse for Indians, but according to the authorities, it is a "really" a term of endearment. No one is asking how a supposedly "innocuous" and "feel good" movie can result in such hate.
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 03-06-2009
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=2222
the point differences between the narratives of individual gospels are deemed significant by the believer and insignificant and thus damning by the nonbeliever (secular/atheist). the argument is whether these differences can be reconciled to the normative ideal of realism, that is truth.
the agent of the colonial entity is deemed as impartial, this role is performed by the centurion in the gospels and by the american tourist in slumdog. the colonial agent confirms the sepoy as the messiah of his degraded people.
the heathen is oblivious to this game.
the western studios even release variant narratives....
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - acharya - 03-10-2009
Do these mysterious stones mark the site of the Garden of Eden?
By Tom Knox
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For the old Kurdish shepherd, it was just another burning hot day in the rolling plains of eastern Turkey. Following his flock over the arid hillsides, he passed the single mulberry tree, which the locals regarded as 'sacred'. The bells on his sheep tinkled in the stillness. Then he spotted something. Crouching down, he brushed away the dust, and exposed a strange, large, oblong stone.
The man looked left and right: there were similar stone rectangles, peeping from the sands. Calling his dog to heel, the shepherd resolved to inform someone of his finds when he got back to the village. Maybe the stones were important.
They certainly were important. The solitary Kurdish man, on that summer's day in 1994, had made the greatest archaeological discovery in 50 years. Others would say he'd made the greatest archaeological discovery ever: a site that has revolutionised the way we look at human history, the origin of religion - and perhaps even the truth behind the Garden of Eden.
The site has been described as 'extraordinary' and 'the most important' site in the world
The site has been described as 'extraordinary' and 'the most important' site in the world
A few weeks after his discovery, news of the shepherd's find reached museum curators in the ancient city of Sanliurfa, ten miles south-west of the stones.
They got in touch with the German Archaeological Institute in Istanbul. And so, in late 1994, archaeologist Klaus Schmidt came to the site of Gobekli Tepe (pronounced Go-beckly Tepp-ay) to begin his excavations.
As he puts it: 'As soon as I got there and saw the stones, I knew that if I didn't walk away immediately I would be here for the rest of my life.'
Remarkable find: A frieze from Gobekli Tepe
Remarkable find: A frieze from Gobekli Tepe
Schmidt stayed. And what he has uncovered is astonishing. Archaeologists worldwide are in rare agreement on the site's importance. 'Gobekli Tepe changes everything,' says Ian Hodder, at Stanford University.
David Lewis-Williams, professor of archaeology at Witwatersrand University in Johannesburg, says: 'Gobekli Tepe is the most important archaeological site in the world.'
Some go even further and say the site and its implications are incredible. As Reading University professor Steve Mithen says: 'Gobekli Tepe is too extraordinary for my mind to understand.'
So what is it that has energised and astounded the sober world of academia?
The site of Gobekli Tepe is simple enough to describe. The oblong stones, unearthed by the shepherd, turned out to be the flat tops of awesome, T-shaped megaliths. Imagine carved and slender versions of the stones of Avebury or Stonehenge.
Most of these standing stones are inscribed with bizarre and delicate images - mainly of boars and ducks, of hunting and game. Sinuous serpents are another common motif. Some of the megaliths show crayfish or lions.
The stones seem to represent human forms - some have stylised 'arms', which angle down the sides. Functionally, the site appears to be a temple, or ritual site, like the stone circles of Western Europe.
To date, 45 of these stones have been dug out - they are arranged in circles from five to ten yards across - but there are indications that much more is to come. Geomagnetic surveys imply that there are hundreds more standing stones, just waiting to be excavated.
So far, so remarkable. If Gobekli Tepe was simply this, it would already be a dazzling site - a Turkish Stonehenge. But several unique factors lift Gobekli Tepe into the archaeological stratosphere - and the realms of the fantastical.
The Garden of Eden come to life: Is Gobekli Tepe where the story began?
The Garden of Eden come to life: Is Gobekli Tepe where the story began?
The first is its staggering age. Carbon-dating shows that the complex is at least 12,000 years old, maybe even 13,000 years old.
That means it was built around 10,000BC. By comparison, Stonehenge was built in 3,000 BC and the pyramids of Giza in 2,500 BC.
Gobekli is thus the oldest such site in the world, by a mind-numbing margin. It is so old that it predates settled human life. It is pre-pottery, pre-writing, pre-everything. Gobekli hails from a part of human history that is unimaginably distant, right back in our hunter-gatherer past.
How did cavemen build something so ambitious? Schmidt speculates that bands of hunters would have gathered sporadically at the site, through the decades of construction, living in animal-skin tents, slaughtering local game for food.
The many flint arrowheads found around Gobekli support this thesis; they also support the dating of the site.
This revelation, that Stone Age hunter-gatherers could have built something like Gobekli, is worldchanging, for it shows that the old hunter-gatherer life, in this region of Turkey, was far more advanced than we ever conceived - almost unbelievably sophisticated.
The shepherd who discovered Gobekli Tepe has 'changed everything', said one academic
The shepherd who discovered Gobekli Tepe has 'changed everything', said one academic
It's as if the gods came down from heaven and built Gobekli for themselves.
This is where we come to the biblical connection, and my own involvement in the Gobekli Tepe story.
About three years ago, intrigued by the first scant details of the site, I flew out to Gobekli. It was a long, wearying journey, but more than worth it, not least as it would later provide the backdrop for a new novel I have written.
Back then, on the day I arrived at the dig, the archaeologists were unearthing mind-blowing artworks. As these sculptures were revealed, I realised that I was among the first people to see them since the end of the Ice Age.
And that's when a tantalising possibility arose. Over glasses of black tea, served in tents right next to the megaliths, Klaus Schmidt told me that, as he put it: 'Gobekli Tepe is not the Garden of Eden: it is a temple in Eden.'
To understand how a respected academic like Schmidt can make such a dizzying claim, you need to know that many scholars view the Eden story as folk-memory, or allegory.
Seen in this way, the Eden story, in Genesis, tells us of humanity's innocent and leisured hunter-gatherer past, when we could pluck fruit from the trees, scoop fish from the rivers and spend the rest of our days in pleasure.
But then we 'fell' into the harsher life of farming, with its ceaseless toil and daily grind. And we know primitive farming was harsh, compared to the relative indolence of hunting, because of the archaeological evidence.
To date, archaeologists have dug 45 stones out of the ruins at Gobekli
To date, archaeologists have dug 45 stones out of the ruins at Gobekli
When people make the transition from hunter-gathering to settled agriculture, their skeletons change - they temporarily grow smaller and less healthy as the human body adapts to a diet poorer in protein and a more wearisome lifestyle. Likewise, newly domesticated animals get scrawnier.
This begs the question, why adopt farming at all? Many theories have been suggested - from tribal competition, to population pressures, to the extinction of wild animal species. But Schmidt believes that the temple of Gobekli reveals another possible cause.
'To build such a place as this, the hunters must have joined together in numbers. After they finished building, they probably congregated for worship. But then they found that they couldn't feed so many people with regular hunting and gathering.
'So I think they began cultivating the wild grasses on the hills. Religion motivated people to take up farming.'
The reason such theories have special weight is that the move to farming first happened in this same region. These rolling Anatolian plains were the cradle of agriculture.
The world's first farmyard pigs were domesticated at Cayonu, just 60 miles away. Sheep, cattle and goats were also first domesticated in eastern Turkey. Worldwide wheat species descend from einkorn wheat - first cultivated on the hills near Gobekli. Other domestic cereals - such as rye and oats - also started here.
The stones unearthed by the shepherd turned out to be the flat tops of T-shaped megaliths
The stones unearthed by the shepherd turned out to be the flat tops of T-shaped megaliths
But there was a problem for these early farmers, and it wasn't just that they had adopted a tougher, if ultimately more productive, lifestyle. They also experienced an ecological crisis. These days the landscape surrounding the eerie stones of Gobekli is arid and barren, but it was not always thus. As the carvings on the stones show - and as archaeological remains reveal - this was once a richly pastoral region.
There were herds of game, rivers of fish, and flocks of wildfowl; lush green meadows were ringed by woods and wild orchards. About 10,000 years ago, the Kurdish desert was a 'paradisiacal place', as Schmidt puts it. So what destroyed the environment? The answer is Man.
As we began farming, we changed the landscape and the climate. When the trees were chopped down, the soil leached away; all that ploughing and reaping left the land eroded and bare. What was once an agreeable oasis became a land of stress, toil and diminishing returns.
And so, paradise was lost. Adam the hunter was forced out of his glorious Eden, 'to till the earth from whence he was taken' - as the Bible puts it.
Of course, these theories might be dismissed as speculations. Yet there is plenty of historical evidence to show that the writers of the Bible, when talking of Eden, were, indeed, describing this corner of Kurdish Turkey.
Archaeologist Klaus Schmidt poses next to some of the carvings at Gebekli
Archaeologist Klaus Schmidt poses next to some of the carvings at Gebekli
In the Book of Genesis, it is indicated that Eden is west of Assyria. Sure enough, this is where Gobekli is sited.
Likewise, biblical Eden is by four rivers, including the Tigris and Euphrates. And Gobekli lies between both of these.
In ancient Assyrian texts, there is mention of a 'Beth Eden' - a house of Eden. This minor kingdom was 50 miles from Gobekli Tepe.
Another book in the Old Testament talks of 'the children of Eden which were in Thelasar', a town in northern Syria, near Gobekli.
The very word 'Eden' comes from the Sumerian for 'plain'; Gobekli lies on the plains of Harran.
Thus, when you put it all together, the evidence is persuasive. Gobekli Tepe is, indeed, a 'temple in Eden', built by our leisured and fortunate ancestors - people who had time to cultivate art, architecture and complex ritual, before the traumas of agriculture ruined their lifestyle, and devastated their paradise.
It's a stunning and seductive idea. Yet it has a sinister epilogue. Because the loss of paradise seems to have had a strange and darkening effect on the human mind.
Many of Gobekli's standing stones are inscribed with 'bizarre and delicate' images, like this reptile
Many of Gobekli's standing stones are inscribed with 'bizarre and delicate' images, like this reptile
A few years ago, archaeologists at nearby Cayonu unearthed a hoard of human skulls. They were found under an altar-like slab, stained with human blood.
No one is sure, but this may be the earliest evidence for human sacrifice: one of the most inexplicable of human behaviours and one that could have evolved only in the face of terrible societal stress.
Experts may argue over the evidence at Cayonu. But what no one denies is that human sacrifice took place in this region, spreading to Palestine, Canaan and Israel.
Archaeological evidence suggests that victims were killed in huge death pits, children were buried alive in jars, others roasted in vast bronze bowls.
These are almost incomprehensible acts, unless you understand that the people had learned to fear their gods, having been cast out of paradise. So they sought to propitiate the angry heavens.
This savagery may, indeed, hold the key to one final, bewildering mystery. The astonishing stones and friezes of Gobekli Tepe are preserved intact for a bizarre reason.
Long ago, the site was deliberately and systematically buried in a feat of labour every bit as remarkable as the stone carvings.
The stones of Gobekli Tepe are trying to speak to us from across the centuries - a warning we should heed
The stones of Gobekli Tepe are trying to speak to us from across the centuries - a warning we should heed
Around 8,000 BC, the creators of Gobekli turned on their achievement and entombed their glorious temple under thousands of tons of earth, creating the artificial hills on which that Kurdish shepherd walked in 1994.
No one knows why Gobekli was buried. Maybe it was interred as a kind of penance: a sacrifice to the angry gods, who had cast the hunters out of paradise. Perhaps it was for shame at the violence and bloodshed that the stone-worship had helped provoke.
Whatever the answer, the parallels with our own era are stark. As we contemplate a new age of ecological turbulence, maybe the silent, sombre, 12,000-year-old stones of Gobekli Tepe are trying to speak to us, to warn us, as they stare across the first Eden we destroyed.
* The Genesis Secret by Tom Knox is published by Harper Collins on March 9, priced £6.99. To order a copy (P&P free), call 0845 155 0720.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...arden-Eden.html
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Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 03-13-2009
Daniel in the Lions' den, aka "love" for the persians.
http://www.ccel.org/contrib//exec_outlines/dan/dan_06.htm
B. DANIEL IS DELIVERED...
1. Daniel answers the king - Dan 6:21-22
a. With respect to the king ("O king, live forever!")
1) Despite what the king had done to him
2) An example of blessing those who persecute you
b. With word of God's great deliverance
1) Saved by an angel of God - cf. Dan 3:28
2) Who shut the lions' mouths
c. With affirmation of his innocence
1) Innocent before God
2) Guilty of no wrong before the king
2. Darius removes Daniel from the den - Dan 6:23
a. The king being exceedingly glad
b. Daniel with no injury found on him
-- Daniel is delivered from the lions, because he believed in His
God (i.e., saved by faith!)
C. THE CONSPIRATORS ARE EXECUTED...
1. Cast into the same trap intended for Daniel, along with their
families - Dan 6:24
2. As often happens, those who set the trap get caught in it!
a. Cf. Haman, hung on the gallows he built for Mordecai - Est
7:10
b. As contemplated by David, warned by Solomon - Ps 7:14-16;
Pr 1:10-19
D. GOD IS EXALTED...
1. Darius makes a decree that the God of Daniel be feared - Dan
6:25-27
a. He is the living God, and steadfast forever
b. His kingdom is indestructible, and His dominion everlasting
2. Another pagan king comes to realize Who is really in control!
a. As did Nebuchadnezzar - Dan 4:34-35
b. As did Belshazzar, only too late - Dan 5:26-28
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 03-17-2009
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"It is no accident that the proposal to treat men and women as radically equal, to regulate sexual intercourse by the State, to put infants into public nursing homes at birth and to ensure that children and parents remain quite unknown to each other should have originated with Plato," who cared nothing for freedom.
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<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Mar 6 2009, 02:13 AM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Mar 6 2009, 02:13 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->X-posted...
There is something in what you say about India drawing its enemies inside. When the frontier is breached at Khyber, the Indics combat the 'other' at Panipat even in Maratha times (3rd battle of Panipat). Yes India did envelope and assimilate its conquerors but the colonial tinkering with the ideologies for their own geo-political puroposes (Deobandi and Wahabi mollycoddling) has led to the reversal force of history in modern times. In fact this reversed flow is being presented as the true flow of the force of history. <!--emo&
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So Islam really did stop the Westward flow of eastern peoples since time immemorial. So was that the idea behind Islam?
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Historicity of Jesus - 2 - Pandyan - 03-17-2009
Don't see how the two are related and even an amateur knows that Islamaniacs were snarling at the gates of the West as early as Ummayad conquest of Spain and as late as the Battle of Vienna.
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - ramana - 03-18-2009
If it was so simple why would I ask such a question? Think a little bit more. Snarling at the gates of Europe was a blowback but the main goal was achieved.
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - Pandyan - 03-18-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Mar 17 2009, 05:58 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Mar 17 2009, 05:58 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->If it was so simple why would I ask such a question? Think a little bit more. Snarling at the gates of Europe was a blowback but the main goal was achieved.
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You have to elaborate. A blowback of what? What main goal was achieved?
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 04-07-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sanjay says:
âI would not say Gandhi was in the âpayâ of the British.â
It is not necessary to pay a leader money to raise his profile or use him to achieve oneâs strategic objectives.
Do you know who Gandhi was surrounded with at Tolstoy Farm in South Africa and who arranged for his marches and publicity and gave him guidance? They were all White missionaries and church-men. They surrounded him at all times and lived with him.
After 1857, the Brits got a fright and wanted the revolt never to be repeated again. In fact so deep was this fear that Gen. Dyer confessed after Jallianwalah Bagh that he thought there was a conspiracy in Punjab for a 1857 type revolt and he wanted to teach Indians a bloody lesson to nip it in the bud.
The Brits desperately needed a leader of Indians with the central message of pacifism, non-violence against the invaders and the philosophy of ânever pick up arms again even if the Brits kill you all.â
Gandhi was aggressively propped up and promoted by missionaries and Genernal Smuts. General Smuts âagreedâ to Gandhiâs demands, thus tremendously boosting his name in India. Nobody had heard of Gandhi before. This act of Smuts spread his fame far and wide as a man who can get the British government to bend. It is a different matter that the âbendingâ was deliberate.
Strategically, to make a show, the British government in South Africa and India sometimes bowed to Gandhiâs wishes to âproveâ the effectiveness of his method of non-violence and impress other Indians. It was just a show to promote Gandhi as Indiaâs tallest leader. Notice how when Gandhi arrived in India, how British government kept bowing before him in all his agitations and conceded what he had demanded.
In contrast, the Brits were brutal with nationalist Hindus such as Savarkar and Subhash Bose and simply refused to meet them, while all doors were kept open for Gandhi. Gradually, Indians began to rally behind Gandhi as the âleader who gets the work done.â
Historians should do serious research about this angle of Gandhi as a British creation and prop. Unfortunately, even after 60 years, British intelligence reports and personal files about Gandhi and Nehru are still classified by the British government. Nobody can have access to them.
The Britisherâs propping up of Gandhi had a precedent for the Brits. They knew how the Romans circulated the fable of Jesus Christ among the restive Jews under their occupation and â what a coincidence â Jesusâs message was exactly similar to Gandhiâs with respect to the invaders â âturn the other cheekâ and âGive unto Ceasear what belongs to Ceaser.â It is not a coincidence that in the entire Bible, there is not one derogatory reference to the Romans. But the Jews are abused and cursed all through, with calls for thier genocide. By convering jews to christianity, the Romans managed to create an indegenous militia against the Jews. (same thing that the church is now doing in Orissa. It converts tribals and turns them into an armed militia against the Hindus.)
Have you heard of a book called âCeaserâs Messiahâ?
Here it is: http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html
It tells you why and how Romans invented the cult of Jesus and spread it among the Jews. The Jews who converted to Christianity immediately became the biggest defenders of the Roman empire and enemies of Jews who were resisting the Roman rule.
This is because worship of Jesus is nothing but worship of Ceaser by proxy. The Jews became hunted in Christian socieites becasue the blame of âkilling Christâ was cleverly laid on their door. For 2000 years, they were forced to live in ghettos on the periphery of Christian societies. I would say the Romans succeeded brilliantly in their plan of screwing the Jews and creating a rival cult to exterminate them. (Why risk roman soliders in killing jews when you can outsource the job to the converted jews.)
The Brits took a leaf from the Roman book and tried to create Indiaâs own Jesus with the same message of âturn the other cheekâ and ânever pick up arms against the occupation army.â
I can say that Gandhiâs creation and promotion by Brits was the biggest psyops operation of modern times.
See here the video of interview of Joseph Atwill who wrote âCeaserâs Messiah.â It is an eye-opener.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSIzJWgp4vI
It is not a coincidence that a leader preaching non-violence arose in India within 25 years of the revolt of 1857.
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Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 04-14-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Now when John [Jonathan] had departed this life, his son Jaddua succeeded in the high priesthood" (Book XI, Chapter VII, Paragraph 2).... Now Alexander [the Great], when he had taken Gaza [332/331 B.C.], made haste to go up to Jerusalem; and Jaddua the high priest, when he heard that, was in an agony, and under terror, as not knowing how he should meet the Macedonians, since the king was displeased at his foregoing disobedience.... And when he [Jaddua] understood that he [Alexander] was not far from the city, he [Jaddua] went out in procession, with the priests and the multitude of the citizens. The procession was venerable, and the manner of it different from that of other nations.... And when the Book of Daniel was showed him [Alexander], wherein Daniel declared that one of the Greeks should destroy the empire of the Persians, he [Alexander] supposed that himself was the person intended" (Antiquities of the Jews, Book XI, Chapter VIII, Paragraphs 4 and 5).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - ramana - 04-15-2009
So the Persian weapon against the Greeks was turned on themselves!
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Now when John [Jonathan] had departed this life, his son Jaddua succeeded in the high priesthood" (Book XI, Chapter VII, Paragraph 2).... <b>Now Alexander [the Great], when he had taken Gaza [332/331 B.C.], made haste to go up to Jerusalem; and Jaddua the high priest, when he heard that, was in an agony, and under terror, as not knowing how he should meet the Macedonians, since the king was displeased at his foregoing disobedience.... And when he [Jaddua] understood that he [Alexander] was not far from the city, he [Jaddua] went out in procession, with the priests and the multitude of the citizens. The procession was venerable, and the manner of it different from that of other nations.... </b>And when the Book of Daniel was showed him [Alexander], wherein Daniel declared that one of the Greeks should destroy the empire of the Persians, he [Alexander] supposed that himself was the person intended" (Antiquities of the Jews, Book XI, Chapter VIII, Paragraphs 4 and 5).
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My ref was to the Persianization of the Jews to take on the Hellenes or the Greeks during the exile period. Here the priest re-strengthened Alexander's resolve to take on the Persians. I think this is a turning point in the Hellenization or Westernization of the jews. In a way it paved the way for future Hellenization of Christians.
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - HareKrishna - 04-19-2009
Th romanian name for God is Dumnezeu which came from the latin title of the roman emperor "Domine(Dumne) et Deus (Zeu)".
Somehow the roman emperor become the christian god.
the bible was like a 1500year old wiki page that got locked by admins and now people just assume its supreme knowledge.
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 05-01-2009
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<!--QuoteBegin-thayilv+Apr 30 2009, 05:19 AM-->QUOTE(thayilv @ Apr 30 2009, 05:19 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Yawn...ho hum...for every one of these alleged "Hinduism is good onlee" articles, they trot out dozens of ones that talk about how backward 'hindoos' are and how they repress the 'daleets' by forcing them to be 'slumdogs' while forcing 'hindoo' women to commit 'suttee'.
Interesting anecdote at my friend's work. During the craze about slumdog millionaire, my friend's co-worker proudly stated that he grew up in those very slums as shown in the movie. Now, they call him slumdog to his face. <b>It's all in *jest* ofcourse</b>
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So, Deniability is inbuilt into Gospels.
Historicity of Jesus - 2 - dhu - 05-04-2009
In his Meenakshi temple (talk), De Roover states that the different versions of events in the Bible (eg Genesis 1 and Genesis 2) account for the need to create a comprehensive theology. Now, we know that the versions are intended to be read intercontextually as a code with the 'real meaning' at a lower level.....