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Riots In India
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08-09-2005, 07:40 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Using same peverted logic shouldn't NDAs selection of President absolve them of any and all crimes or associated guilt?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But for BJP same guy never hesitate to use "Communal" tag.
08-10-2005, 12:18 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Allies join chorus of protest </b>
Pioneer News Service/ New Delhi From the Left to the right, the UPA Government on Tuesday faced flak on action not taken on the recommendations of the Nanavati Commission recommendations. While the government has become habitual of getting it from the Left parties, on Tuesday, its trusted ally, the RJD joined the chorus of protests against government apathy. Putting the Congress-led alliance in the dock for failure to take action even on the "limited recommendations" of the Commission, the CPI and the CPM also criticised the Commission for not doing justice to its terms of reference and giving the government a long rope to evade stringent actions against the individuals. The RJD, which had all along backed the Congress without being caught in the moral dilemma of what was wrong or right, also criticised the inaction on the ATR. The party has conveyed its strong views on the matter to the Congress leadership. The DMK is also reportedly unhappy with the way the government has dealt with the panel's recommendations. <b>Meanwhile, the two key Left parties, which on Tuesday had kept quiet so it could "study" the report before formally commenting on it</b>, also accused the Commission of failing to fix responsibility for the violence in which more than 3000 Sikhs were killed. "The government should act on the specific recommendations made by the Commission to proceed against certain people named and to probe the involvement of others whose culpability had been indicated by the Commission," the CPI(M) said in a statement. "This is the least the government can do to assure the people that justice will be done," it added. The CPI(M) said that "after 21 years and nine Commissions and Enquiry Committees, it is a dismal state of affairs that justice cannot be rendered to the thousands who suffered in the pogrom." The CPI Central Secretariat too termed the ATR as "thoroughly disappointing" and added that it did not in any way assure justice to the victims of the 1984 massacre. "The Commission's report is self-contradictory in its conclusions as it does name and speak about the involvement of several Congress leaders in the events," the CPI said.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> For Godhra these leftist were jumping with spring attached everywhere even before any commision report, now for 1984 riots they want to study report. <!--emo&:thumbdown--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif' /><!--endemo-->
08-10-2005, 01:14 AM
fwd via email.
Some listing of riots in post independence era. List might not be complete or accurate. Feel free to add/modify/change the list. Links to details and/or commissions findings, list of those arrested, names of PMs and CMs etc.. would be helpful too.
08-10-2005, 02:11 AM
Does any one states on the riots of Bombay in 84 ( I was just 10 yrs old that time hardly remember more) , In central bombay (Nagpada,Byculla, Chor Bazar) that Indira Gandhi has to came there.
though 1992 (Babri) did not create any riots but before that it was monthly/years affiar in that part of bombay. I'll do some google and try to find out but if others also try that will help us in creating a list. 
08-10-2005, 02:30 AM
"1983 - Neille 1000+ killed"
Was the nellie riot an ethnic conflict or religious one, from what I know it was a backlash against Bengali speaking people in Assam (who happened to be Muslim), is this true.
08-10-2005, 03:56 AM
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<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Times'>And here so many Commissions taking their commissions. I think, there is no point in having a Commission without Magesterial power.</span></span>
08-10-2005, 09:20 PM
<b>Govt ready to reopen 1984 riots case: Manmohan</b>
<b>Union Minister Jagdish Tytler resigns.</b> <!--emo&:cool--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/specool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='specool.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Union minister Jagdish Tytler on Wednesday resigned from the Union Cabinet. He met Congress President Sonia Gandhi and submitted his resignation which he requested her to forward to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Tytler said he had met the Prime Minister and had told him that he would be meeting Gandhi. Why I should put the party in trouble. I want my name to be cleared expeditiously," Tytler said adding he was not doing it under pressure but on his own. He also said he was not claiming any high moral bound by taking this decision. Asked whether he felt the party had not backed him, the minister said "the party has backed me 100 per cent." "Then why are you resigning," he was asked. "I want my name to be cleared," he shot back. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Finally ring leader is gone.
08-10-2005, 09:55 PM
08-10-2005, 10:56 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Aug 9 2005, 05:00 PM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Aug 9 2005, 05:00 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> "1983 - Neille 1000+ killed"
Was the nellie riot an ethnic conflict or religious one, from what I know it was a backlash against Bengali speaking people in Assam (who happened to be Muslim), is this true. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Link <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>River of death </b> Twenty-one years ago, 3,300 people were killed in a single day in an unknown village in Assam. Of the 688 legal cases that resulted, chargesheets were filed in 310. <b>All cases were dropped later </b> SAMUDRA GUPTA KASHYAP     GUWAHATI: ABDUL Mannan, a 60-year old farmer, doesnât want to talk about what happened in his village Muladhari under the Nellie police outpost 21 years ago. ââI do not want to reopen this chapter and discuss who were the killers,ââ says Mannan.ââReporters come here only during the elections and ask us strange questions.ââ The residents of Muladhari, Silbheti, Borpolah, Mati-parbat and Dungbari â all remembered collectively as ââNellieââ â are equally reticent. <b>In February 1983, 3,300 people were killed in a single day. </b>It happened shortly after an election was held in the state, an election opposed by the All-Assam Studentsâ Union (AASU) that was spearheading a movement against illegal migration from Bangladesh. Over 500 AASU volunteers were killed while resisting the elections. Voter turnout was so low that year that some Congress candidates, like current Assam health minister Bhumidhar Barman from Barkhetri, won with just over a hundred votes. Polling was held on February 14, 2003. On February 18, villages under the Nellie police outpost, home to people of Bangladeshi origin, became the scene of a horrific massacre. Assamese tribals, armed with daos (machete) and spears attacked the ââimmigrantââ Muslim villagers. When the madness ended, over 3,000 lay dead, most of them women and children. THOUGH no official reason has been given for the worst-ever massacre in independent India, people with access to the never-published Tewari Commission report ascribe two reasons to it. One that the Bangladeshi migrants had voted despite an AASU boycott and that angered the locals. The other was the ethnic populationâs longstanding fear of being outnumbered by migrants. According to official records, the six or seven hour attack on Nellie began at 10 am and left at least 1,800 persons dead. Records in the Jagiroad police station put the number of killed in the riots at Dungbari, Muladhari, Borpolah, Silbheti and Mati-parbat at 2,191. But the figures are said to be higher, 3,300 according to some estimates. About 1,668 people were arrested in connection with the mass murder. WHILE the <b>Tewari Commission </b>submitted its 600-page report to the Assam government in May 1984, <b>the then Congress government, headed by Hiteswar Saikia, decided against making it public</b>. The Asom Gana Parishad (AGP) government that came to power in December 1985 too kept it under wraps. But records at the Jagiroad police station say that while 688 cases had been filed in connection with the Nellie killings, the police submitted chargesheets only in 310. The remaining 378 cases were closed after a final report said there was no evidence. But these too were dropped later. Says B K Gohain, home commissioner, Assam: ââAll the Nellie cases were dropped during Prafulla Kumar Mahantaâs time. The chapter is closed.ââ CASE FILE LOST IN TIME ⢠The Nellie massacre took place on February 18, 1983, three days after an election ⢠<b>The Tewari Commission submitted its report in May 1984 but it was never made public</b> ⢠<b>In November 2004, a Japanese scholar was stopped from giving a talk on the Nellie massacre in Guwahati </b> ABDUL Khaleque, vice-president of the Jagiroad Block Congress Committee, however, says every family in the half-a-dozen affected villages received two bundles of tin sheets and Rs 2,000 in cash as part of the rehabilitation package announced by the then Congress government. ââBut as far as I know, the AGP, on coming to power in 1985, directed the police to withdraw all the cases,ââ says Khaleque. Says president of the United Minoritiesâ Front (UMF), Hafiz Rashid Choudhury: ââThe cases never came to the court because there was nobody to pursue them. The Congress goes to Nellie only the eve of elections to woo the voters. It is also a mystery that the Tewari Commission report was never made public.ââ A conspiracy of silence is obvious. For its own reasons, every party wants to forget Nellie. Little wonder then that, in Guwahati in November, Japanese scholar Makiko Kimura was stopped by the Assam government from giving a talk called ââMemories of a massacre: Competing narratives of the Nellie incidentââ. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Abstract of Makiko Kimuraâs paper on Nellie</b> The aim of this paper is to analyse three competing narratives of the cause of the Nellie massacre of 1983: the views of the victims, the attackers and the movement leaders. The well-known Nellie incident took place during the anti-foreigners movement led by the AASU and the AAGSP from 1979 to 1985. The incident was directly triggered by the central governments decision to hold the state legislative assembly election, which invited a boycott by the movement leaders. As a result of the confrontations between the people who supported and opposed the implementation of the election, there were numerous violent incidents among communities during election period in the early part of 1983. The worst incident was the Nellie massacre, in which more than 1000 people were killed in one-day attack. Until now, it has been said that the land deprivation by the Muslim migrants from East Bengal region is the cause of the large-scale killing. The plains tribe called the Tiwas traditionally inhabited in the Nellie area, but after the British occupation they were marginalised. The top leaders of the Assam movement denied their involvement in the massacre, and implicitly suggested that it was initiated by the Tiwas. However, interviews with Muslim migrants and Tiwas in this area reveal that both of them consider the movement and the election as a prime cause of the massacre, and, these groups denied that there are disputes over land between them. It can be said that the interpretations of collective violence (such as a large-scale killing, riot or massacre) are open to various narratives by people who directly or indirectly experience them. And from these various narratives, people choose one interpretation that suits them most, or choose the one that is least harmful to them. And in this process, they also select the facts from their memories. However, the three interpretations do not receive the same attention in India or in Assam. The interpretation of the movement leaders became the consensus in Assamese society. I argue that the interpretation favoured by those in power and by the media became the most widely accepted interpretation. « <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> link Here's K P S Gill on Nellie: <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>In private conversations you have spoken about your childhood memories of Partition. And, of course, you dealt with the communal violence in Assam in 1983. Some of what you have experienced in Ahmedabad must have brought those memories back to you. </i> When I was 12, we used to live in the Model Town area of Lahore. I still have vivid memories of my mother giving me two swords and telling me to use them if we were attacked. One was for me to kill my younger sister with, and the other to fight for as long as I could. It was an awful time. So was Assam in 1983. But Assam also taught me that the worst situations can be solved through firm police action. I remember one riot, fought along a battlefront of several kilometres, where the former Director-General of the Border Security Force, E.N. Rammohan, kept firing at a mob with little effect. Finally, the Commissioner, Vijendra Jafa, also pitched in, with an enormous gun meant for shooting elephants. <b>A lot of people died in the fire, but it was nothing compared with the several hundreds who were killed in Nellie, when riots were not prevented. </b> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
08-10-2005, 10:58 PM
From HT
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A massacre is a massacre Mr. Sangvi should get his facts straight before writing an article in a national newspaper. I am a Hindu and I lived in Punjab throughout the terrorism. Sikhs did distributed sweets (Ladoos) at lots of places when Indira Gandhi was murdered by her Sikh bodyguards. Start asking and some Sikhs will laugh and admit it. Do a little fieldwork before you write. Just to tell you there were lots of incidents in Punjab when Sikhs pulled Hindus out of the buses and shot them some times 40-50 at time. - Rajiv, Toronto, Canada (August 10, 2005) <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
08-10-2005, 11:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Aug 10 2005, 01:26 PM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Aug 10 2005, 01:26 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> ⢠<b>In November 2004, a Japanese scholar was stopped from giving a talk on the Nellie massacre in Guwahati </b>
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> When every fool from Lansing Michigan to Maryland can drop in at Gujarat and offer sermons, why was a student who did her doctral research on the subject at JNU, Delhi not allowed to present her work on Nellie? Happened in Nov 04 - was her work in any form critical of Congress and Assam govt - you know the home for the current Prime Minister of India?
08-11-2005, 12:56 AM
<b>Where I can find data/figure/dates of terrorist activities by "Sikh terrorist" before and after 1984.</b>
08-11-2005, 01:00 AM
Link
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The rumours were three. <b>First, Sikhs were distributing sweets and lighting lamps to celebrate Mrs. Gandhi's death</b>. (Later during our investigation when we asked the residents of the affected localities whether anyone from among them had actually seen such things, almost everyone admitted that they had not personally witnessed it, but had heard from someone else. We did however come across a few people who while expressing revulsion at the incidents of assaults on the Sikhs, added that they had seen in some places some Sikhs expressing their glee at Mrs. Gandhi's death by demonstrative gestures. We have reports that some isolated groups of non Sikhs also exhibited similar behaviour. From the information that we have gathered from various sources, our impression is that such cases were few and isolated). <b>The Second rumours was that train-loads of hundreds of Hindu dead bodies had arrived at Old Delhi Station from Punjab.Third, water was poisoned by the Sikhs,</b> As for the two latter rumors,<b> we came across evidence of policemen in van touring certain localities and announcing through loudspeakers the arrival of the train and the poisoning of water. In certain areas, we heard that police officials had rung up residents advising them not to drink water. These rumours (the last two were officially repudiated later) contributed to the shaping of a public mind that acquiesced in the attack and murders that took place soon after</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Here police was directly involved. In Gujarat that was not the case.
08-11-2005, 01:01 AM
Mudy, SATP.org is good bet - believe K P S Gill himself contributes to that site.
08-11-2005, 01:08 AM
Thanks Viren,
<b>Killings in various violence incidents in different Districts of Punjab 1981-2000</b> Total civilian death - 3530 <b>Extremist/Terrorist Crime - Punjab</b>
08-11-2005, 06:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Text of Tytler's resignation
August 11, 2005 00:29 IST Following is the text of the resignation letter of Minister of State for Non-Resident Indian Affairs (Independent Charge) Jagdish Tytler addressed to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh: Respected Prime Minister, "As you are aware that my name has been dragged all along without any reason in the unfortunate incident of October 1984. Various inquiries, commissions, including the investigation by the Central Bureau of Investigation, have exonerated me of all these false charges. The doubts, if any, have been due to a sustained vilification campaign by my political opponents and adversaries. I have been a very loyal party member all along and at no stage have I acted in any manner that can hurt the party. The use of language in the Nanavati Commission report is unfortunately ambiguous based on distorted facts, which have unnecessarily dragged my name with the intention to embarrass the party. Since this unfortunate and unwarranted mention of my name is causing embarrassment to the government, I hereby voluntarily tender my resignation from the Council of Ministers. I also take this opportunity to thank you and the party for the faith reposed in me all along. "Sir, you are kindly aware of the mental agony and political harassment and isolation that I have undergone during past many years due to these baseless allegations and vicious campaign which have risen their ugly head whenever I have been assigned responsibilities in the government and by the party. I, therefore, very humbly request your honour to order an investigation which will, I am sure, exonerate me fully once and for all to prove my total non-involvement in the unfortunate incidents and restore my honour and dignity." With deepest and warm regards, Yours sincerely, Jagdish Tytler http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/11tytler.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
08-11-2005, 07:15 PM
From ToI: Sajjan resigns:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Senior Congress MP Sajjan Kumar, who was indicted by the Nanavati Commission report on the 1984 anti-Sikh riots, on Thursday decided to resign as Chairman of Delhi Rural Development Board. Kumar, who represents the Outer Delhi Lok Sabha constituency is going to meet Chief Minsiter Sheila Dixit to hand over the resignation at around noon, sources said. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> They'll resign, do some party work on side, be issued tickets once again by 'high command' during next LS elections and will be back to power - circle of life to continue. Afterall it's only 9 commissions that's so far been documenting issues with the '84 Delhi riots. Expect our secularwadis to hail these supreme sacrifices by Tyler and Sajjan <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rolleyes.gif' /><!--endemo-->
08-11-2005, 09:53 PM
Whole CAG is silent.
I hope this time these bugger will be out of politics. I don't think they can get away so easily. People have seen them openly giving direction to juggi crowd to attack Sikh houses. They had provided petrol from Petrol station. Ask anyone, area near Juggi cluster or journalist from Delhi will tell you. I am surprised why there photos disappear, who paid these guys to destroy pictures. Now they have so much security, they know Sikhs are after there blood. After Lalit Maken day light assassination, Tytler and Sajjan disappeared from Delhi, they resurfaced only after 1990/1991 sometimes after Mandal commission. Same was with HKL Bhagat, Shastri etc. In these riots only Juggi and Congress goondas were involved. After riots in Delhi all those effective areas now have Iron gates to protect houses.
08-11-2005, 10:02 PM
Pioneer-
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Under fire, Dharam Dass whisked away </b> Rajesh Kumar / New Delhi Mystery surrounds the sudden disappearance of former Congress member of Parliament Dharam Dass Shastri from his residence at Naraina Vihar in south-west Delhi.  According to Mr Shastri's driver-cum-attendant of seven years Atul Singh, some men visited the Congress leader on Monday when the Nanavati Commission report was tabled in Parliament. "He left with them saying that he was going out of town and would call me later," said Singh, who is still waiting for the call. The two telephone numbers of Mr Shastri's residence have been disconnected. Apprehensive about any fallout of the Nanavati Commission report, one policeman was deployed at his residence on Tuesday but he, too, has no clue about his whereabouts. On Monday afternoon, Mr Shastri left home with his visitors saying he was going to Coffee Home at Connaught Place. After he returned around 5 pm, some men came to his residence and had a long conversation with him. After that, he left with them, saying he was going out of town. "I hope he will call me by late evening or Thursday. My boss has told me to take care of the house. I am upset as he has not contacted me till date and I am unaware about his whereabouts," Singh said. When asked whether Mr Shastri's son knew about his father's whereabouts, he said no, adding, "Hamare saheb kisi se baat nahi karte the. Kisi ka phonecall bhi nahi sunte the. Bahut dukhi the ki Congress ka koi neta unke pass nahi ata hai." <b>("My boss never spoke to anybody. He would not even take calls. He was very sad that Congress leaders never visited him." </b> Mr Shastri's poor health condition doesn't permit him to talk, move or walk freely. But on Monday, he spoke at length with his unknown callers. Mr SP Sabharwal, a neighbour, said that he had not seen Mr Shastri for a very long period. "When the Nanavati Commission's report was tabled in Parliament on Monday, I wanted to meet him just to get his reactions. But I was told by his driver that he was not at home. In the evening I inquired again but was told that he had gone out of town," said Mr Sabharwal. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Back to hiding game.
08-11-2005, 10:05 PM
Pioneer
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Why two Sikh cops were shunted out on Nov 1 </b> Sidharth Mishra / New Delhi Though under much fire for downplaying the role of the Congress leadership in the 1984 carnage of Sikhs,<b> the Nanavati Commission report has tell-tale signs of the involvement of the Government of the day in the planned pogrom. </b>The report points out that Sikh officials were removed from strategic position soon after the death of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and replaced with officers who are facing charges of facilitating the massacre that followed.  The voluminous report in its Part III titled Evidences, mentions the case of Subzi Mandi police station of north district. The area falls under the Sadar parliamentary constituency which was then and now represented by Mr Jagdish Tytler. This area was under the charge of Inspector Gurmel Singh, who was the Station House Officer (SHO), and overall supervision of Assistant Commissioner of Police (ACP) Kewal Singh. Both these officials were removed from their charge on the morning of November 1, 1984. Raghbir Singh Malik and Jai Bhagwan Malik were directed to take charge of the area as the ACP and SHO. The commission report on page 53 mentions: "Another incident in which 10 Sikhs were killed in Kabir Basti deserves to be noted. They were burnt alive and according to Smt Pritam Kaur, her husband and son were dragged out of the house and burnt alive. All this had happened in presence of ACP Raghbir Singh Malik and Station House Officer Jai Bhagwan Malik. She has also stated that instead of preventing the mob from doing so, they were telling it, 'Do not spare anyone. Do not leave any evidence.' Smt Balwinder Kaur, widow of Lakhbir Singh, Smt Balwinder Kaur, widow of Jagjit Singh, Smt Swaran Jeet, widow of Balbir Singh, Smt Inder Jeet Kaur, widow of Jaswant Singh, and Smt Lajwanti Kaur, widow of Darshan Singh, have also filed affidavits and supported what Pritam Kaur stated. An FIR in respect of this incident was registered but it did not mention that so many Sikhs were killed." <b>It would be pertinent to mention here that the transfer of officers of the rank of assistant commissioners of police is notified only after an approval on the proposal by the Lieutenant-Governor. Therefore, then Lt-Governor PG Gavai cannot absolve himself of his complicity, which has been rightly pointed out by the commission.</b> It may also be mentioned that the Delhi Police functions directly under the command and control of the Ministry of Home Affairs of the Union Government. The Commissioner of Delhi Police reports to this Ministry on a daily basis on the law and order situation of the Capital. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> |
