07-16-2006, 08:28 PM
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Post 179:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But this ITALIAN mafia QUEEN has read them all.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I was lent an old book written by a very knowledgeable deconverted ex-priest (Catholic) on Rome's first Christian Emperor Constantine. His mother Helena, a Christian, had been a barmaid. The book went on about how she and her muderous son began the destruction of Rome by its Christianisation which was later continued by the succeeding Christian emperors. Until Christianity got imperial power, the religion was powerless and made no converts amongst the higher classes (the best educated), who constantly ridiculed it. It was only the illiterate and ignorant classes that ever adopted Christianity - that is, until they got a Christian in Rome's government. With Emperor Constantine (with his devout ignorant mother at his back) and his successors began increasingly anti-pagan laws and pro-Christian laws. They started off small, but my goodness, how each law got increasingly worse for the loyal Romans, giving more power as it did to the Church and Christianity. It is a footnote in history now, how Rome was converted by force. But for them it was the destruction of their way of life.
Helena is today recognised as a Saint by the Catholic Church. Now Sonya, who some articles have described as a former Italian barmaid, is perhaps hoping to get a Saint's halo for converting heathen India as her predecessor Helena converted heathen Rome. She is certainly in the right position to attempt it. Don't underestimate a Christian (a devout Catholic, loyal to that great powerhouse and war machine, the Vatican) when he/she's in the power seat. Ancient Rome was destroyed because of Christianity.
So making the head of state xtian is a way to make the more education / urban classes to become xtian, instead of just the rural poor. The urban ones who abandon Hinduism today will just become agnostic/ materialistic with no spirituality but probably won't convert to Xtianity, a lot like Japan.
A lot of western media that reaches India like Hollywood etc are not necessarily pro-xtian, and are more about pure materialism, with even some actors adopting Hindu concepts (like Yoga, eastern philosophy etc).
The quick collapse of Xtianity in Europe is very important for us, esp. the Vatican. Europeans are heading in that direction, we just need it done as soon as possible. Xtian fundamentalists will then focus their efforts there, giving us some breathing room.
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Helena is today recognised as a Saint by the Catholic Church. Now Sonya, who some articles have described as a former Italian barmaid, is perhaps hoping to get a Saint's halo for converting heathen India as her predecessor Helena converted heathen Rome. She is certainly in the right position to attempt it. Don't underestimate a Christian (a devout Catholic, loyal to that great powerhouse and war machine, the Vatican) when he/she's in the power seat. Ancient Rome was destroyed because of Christianity.
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07-16-2006, 10:22 PM
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So making the head of state xtian is a way to make the more education / urban classes to become xtian, instead of just the rural poor.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Rome was converted by the sword. Many of the intellectuals (who refused to convert) were killed off - same in Greece. Of course, Rome's population of that time is not to be compared with that of India today, so I don't think mass-genocide is on the cards. Although mass genocide is what the Vatican had begun to resort to in their frustration in converting Buddhist Vietnam in the 50s and the non-Catholics of the Croatian part of Yugoslavia prior to WWII (both are far smaller populations than India).
Japan does not have Catholic leadership - so the Japanese populace made a natural choice. That's why it doesn't compare with Rome and Greece, 50s Vietnam (Catholic dictator), pre-WWII Croatia (Catholic nazi party). But killing out the unwilling was the oldest pattern of the Church: a Chinese Empress in the 16th or 17th century was converted to Christianity, then she got herself baptised as Helena and her child as Constantine; the intent is clear. Thereafter began the large-scale persecutions of the Buddhists and others which culminated in the unconverted Chinese rising up and ending the reign of terror. Similar pattern in Japan and some other Asian countries.
Today, I don't think the Vatican can get away with genocide on such a large scale. At worst, it would be on smaller scales, like the evangelicals have achieved in Nagaland. Two things haven't changed though: the Church is always willing to use any means, if it thinks it can get away with it; it doesn't get caught (its amazing how the immense evidence of their involvement in the various genocides during WWII is entirely denied and hushed up by their powerful political and media arms). History is written by the winners, and the Church so far has always won.
But the real worry of Christian government in a non-Christian country today is that significant increase in conversions of the Indian population will result in (attempted) seccession or ethnic cleansing in regions, like is happening in the NE. The unconverted regions, slowly made smaller, will then be the target. In India's case, these can then be more easily divided up between the different, yet ulimately same, ideologies of communism, Islam and Christianity.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The urban ones who abandon Hinduism today will just become agnostic/ materialistic with no spirituality but probably won't convert to Xtianity, a lot like Japan<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why do you think non-religious Americans fear the increased lobbying by Christians for Christianising the education system (teaching Intelligent Design alongside evolution, prayers in school) and never send their children to Christian schools (where there are Christian classes with bible study)? It's because the vulnerable younger generation will be brainwashed into the religion like had been done to previous generations in the US until recent decades. This is what many great American authors of the 19th century and before complained about: the compulsory Christian education that had stunted them as children and continued to stunt many adults. When Christianity is made pervasive (education, laws, judicial system), as it would be when there's a majority Christian population and Christian government (Christianity does not believe in State-Church separation, it is [non-pseudo] secular people who do - like the ancient Romans), it will trickle into the lives of non-Christians. Freethinkers may be free, but their children can be captured.
It took the enlightenment for Europe to shake of Christianity, Indians are learning medieval Christianity. Even Catholicism today appears slightly less medieval - if that were possible - compared to the brain-numbing nature of born-again Christianity that evangelicals are spreading.
Xtianity made westerners stupid. So them becoming more fundamentalist may make the west lose it's technological edge. Western intellectuals have slowly shaken off these Xtianians for that reason, they can see how Xtianity held them back.
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Why do you think non-religious Americans fear the increased lobbying by Christians for Christianising the education system (teaching Intelligent Design alongside evolution, prayers in school) and never send their children to Christian schools (where there are Christian classes with bible study)? It's because the vulnerable younger generation will be brainwashed into the religion like had been done to previous generations in the US until recent decades. This is what many great American authors of the 19th century and before complained about: the compulsory Christian education that had stunted them as children and continued to stunt many adults. When Christianity is made pervasive (education, laws, judicial system), as it would be when there's a majority Christian population and Christian government (Christianity does not believe in State-Church separation, it is [non-pseudo] secular people who do - like the ancient Romans), it will trickle into the lives of non-Christians. Freethinkers may be free, but their children can be captured.
It took the enlightenment for Europe to shake of Christianity, Indians are learning medieval Christianity. Even Catholicism today appears slightly less medieval - if that were possible - compared to the brain-numbing nature of born-again Christianity that evangelicals are spreading.
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<b>No quotas please, says this OBC</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Over the years, I have reflected on this issue and stuck to my original opinion. The proposed 27 per cent quota for the OBC castes is going to be harmful to our society. Worse, it is not going to benefit the genuinely needy and deserving backward castes. The way in which the OBC quotas are being implemented in some states is nothing short of a fraud. In most states the dominant castes have manipulated the system to hijack the benefits for themselves. <b>How can one justify the Jats being included among OBCs ? They are substantial landowners, wealthy, politically powerful, and not backward</b>.
Similarly,<b> the Marathas in Maharashtra have cleverly included themselves in the OBC category by playing with the Kunabi-Maratha dichotomy. In the thirties, the Kunabis of western Maharashtra gave up Kunabi identity and claimed to be Marathas, which denoted a higher social status. Under the Mandal scheme, the Kunabis are listed as OBC but not the Marathas</b>. Now all Marathas are claiming to be Kunabis to derive the benefits of quotas. The Marathas have outwitted the Mandal Commission. They have the best of both the worlds â the benefits of backwardness as well as dominance. There are many such cases in other states. The advocates of OBC quota, however, never mention these blatant anomalies, nor do they take seriously the issue of âcreamy layerâ.
Everyone knows that our politicians are supporting OBC quotas not because they care for the well-being of OBCs but because they expect electoral gains through this gimmick. However, as in the case of V P Singh, they are in for disappointment. They are not likely to get the votes they expect. You cannot fool the people all the time. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Goa police probing pamphlet with anti-Hindu slogans
Panaji: Goa Police are investigating the circulation in Margao town of pamphlets bearing the name of SIMI and with anti-Hindu slogans written on them.
"The paper carrying anti-Hindu slogans has SIMI written at the end of it in bold letters," said BJP legislator Damodar Naik, who brought the pamphlets to the notice of local police.
On Saturday night some unidentified people distributed these pamphlets in a locality in Margao town in south Goa, he said.
Superintendent of Police (South) Shekhar Prabhudesai said that police are inquiring into the circulation of the pamphlets. "We have not registered any complaint yet but we are on our toes to find out the truth," he said.
<b>Now, SP quotes 'Quota for Muslims in Par'</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Lucknow, July 18: In a bid to woo Muslim voters ahead of the forthcoming Assembly elections in Uttar Pradesh, the ruling Samajwadi Party demanded reservation for Muslims in Parliament, Assemblies and government jobs in proportion to their population.
<b>"Muslims should be given reservation in the Lok Sabha, Vidhan Sabha and government jobs in proportion to their population," </b>party's national general secretary Beni Prasad Verma said.
<b>He said his party would field Muslim candidates in the next Assembly elections in the state in proportion to their population.</b>
Referring to former Prime Minister V P Singh's demand for reservation for most-backward Muslims within the 27 per cent reservation for OBCs, Verma said Singh should have done this when he had implemented the Mandal Commission report
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Not related but I found this Article from cricinfo.com interesting.
Although the appointment is for cricket, I think it is an amazing development that it is being underplayed by the selectors. There is no polical leader who claims credit for promoting people from backward class to captain the national team.
I was wondering if something like this is possible in india. What prevents the black politians from gloating? Is it that south africans are more classy than indians or that the media would severely criticise such racist statements? or they genuinely provide equal oppurtunities and let talent decide?
My respect/admiration for Ashwell Price went up a couple of notches for his confidence in his game and the way he has handled himself. Would any indian cricketer be critical of the zonal quota system is being used for indian team selection?
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Prince of Darkness
Neil Manthorp
July 24, 2006
Prince: 'The quota or 'target' system is wrong for one simple reason - it messes with the minds of both white and black players' © AFP
Ashwell Prince's appointment as South Africa's first black captain is either the most important and significant moment in the game's history in this country or utterly irrelevant, depending on your viewpoint.
Or it is both.
Every year, month or even week there has been a new landmark or other; from the first black player 15 years ago (Omar Henry) to the first time there were two, three, four or five players in a national team. And the first black president, chief executive, majority on the board...the list hasn't stopped.
Every milestone is an important landmark and is deservedly recorded - nobody disputes that. But just as Germans eventually grew tired of 'wall stories' when the one that divided their country was being torn down, the majority of South Africans of all hues are becoming immune to their importance. Or perhaps it's just that they would rather concentrate on the cricket.
Haroon Lorgat is the national convenor of selectors responsible for Prince's appointment to the vice-captaincy after Jacques Kallis withdrew from the tour. When Graeme Smith wrenched ankle ligaments late one night on holiday in what was euphemistically called "an evening run" in a CSA statement, Prince was handed the job.
<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>In a delicious fusion of the impossible, the genial Lorgat - an outstanding cricketer denied the chance to ever represent his country because of apartheid - comes up with this strawberries and chilli statement: "Ashwell's appointment is a non-event although the enormity and significance of it should not be missed."
Haroon Lorgat: "Ashwell's appointment is a non-event although the enormity and significance of it should not be missed." </span></b>
If that sounds like gibberish to you then you're probably not South African. If you are South African then you're probably smiling
If that sounds like gibberish to you then you're probably not South African. If you are South African then you're probably smiling.
"His appointment, albeit through forced circumstances, will not be missed and, in fact, should be celebrated by South Africa and the rest of the world," Lorgat says, beginning his explanation of the apparent contradiction. "As the first black man to captain South Africa he will command an important place in history - but with that comes extra responsibility.
"For the team, however, it will be a non-event. From personal conversations I know how much respect the players have for Ashwell and they are all very comfortable with him leading," Lorgat said. "His ability to assess match situations and remain calm and level-headed at any time is not questioned."
And that is not 'spin'. He has captained South Africa A in three victorious series and led the same team to a three-day victory over England.
There are still many members of Lorgat's generation who will, understandably, neither forget the hurt of their youth nor forgive the society that perpetrated it. But what about the current generation of kids? What do today's teenagers think about Prince's elevation to the national captaincy.
"To be honest, I wouldn't dare ask," says schoolboy coach and freelance cricket writer John Young. "I'd be running the risk of embarrassing myself. They would be completely puzzled by the question."
The 13-year-olds Young coaches at SACS in Cape Town were born after cricket unity in 1992 and have only known equal opportunity. In fact, if they have been aware of 'prejudice' in their sporting lives it would have been because of the quota system that has been in place at schools level for a decade, a system designed to speed up the transformation of the country's sport. It is rarely spoken about openly in front of the boys - at first because it was feared they may be traumatized but, in recent years, because it is largely redundant - certainly in the Cape.
Prince has captained South Africa A in three victorious series and led the same team to a three-day victory over England. © Cricinfo Ltd.
It may not be what Prince wants because he is not, and has never been, a headline seeker, but if he is to leave a legacy it may well be as the man who expedited the abolition of quotas.
He first spoke publicly about his distaste for enforced selection along racial lines as far back as 2000 and repeated this sentiment six months ago when giving an interview to the South African edition of The Wisden Cricketer:
<b>"<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>The quota or 'target' system is wrong for one simple reason - it messes with the minds of both white and black players. What does a group of Under-17 players feel when their provincial under-18 squad is announced? How many of them don't have a doubt about their inclusion or exclusion? 'Am I here because I'm black?' 'Am I left out because I'm white?'
"Most of the time those doubts wouldn't even be there if there wasn't this system in place. It takes a very strong 17-year-old to rise above the doubts; he either has to be very strong or very naïve not to allow the doubts to get to him," Prince said. </span></b>
His own move from Eastern Province to Western Province in the mid-1990s was often misconstrued as a 'political' move by WP to bolster their non-white representation but the truth is that Duncan Fletcher, then coach at Newlands, liked what he saw.
Prince has risen above the doubts but it took him years to do so. He can, and should be forgiven if he decides to concentrate on his game and let his bat do the talking. But, if he starts playing well, he may decide to repeat his assertion that today's kids shouldn't have to endure the same doubting and suspicion that he did.
And as captain of the national cricket team that could have a very big effect indeed.
Neil Manthorp is a South African broadcaster and journalist, and head of the MWP Sport agency
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Arjun Singh<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Arjun Singh, the most Hindu hatred man in the country is notorious for:
1) Accused in Churhat Lottery corruption case when he was the Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh.
2) Bhopal Gas Tragedy when he was the Chief Minister of MP, victims of the tragedy are the living proof of his inaction.
3) Advocate to Denationalisation of Education. Puppet in the hand of Communist historians and Islamic fundamentalists. Their Discoveries include:
ÃÂ Â âRamâ and âKrishnaâ incites hatred against minorities.
ÃÂ Â Shivaji never faced open battles and won only by âtreachery.â
ÃÂ Â Prithviraj Chauhan was âpunishedâ by Muhummad Gori for âconspiracy,â
ÃÂ Â Muslim rulers were broad minded
ÃÂ Â Hindus are Beef eaters
ÃÂ Â Bhagath Singh & his team were Terrorists
ÃÂ Â Swami Dayananda was a hired preacher of Christians, anti-religious and atheist
4) He wants to introduce Reservation to Muslims against Constitutional warning.
5) 50% reservation for IIT & IIMs seats for the Muslims and Christians
6) 50% reservation for Muslims in Aligarh University
7) Outlaw Ekal Vidyalayas ran by Hindu organizations
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The National Federation of Indian Women began its 17-day dharna at Jantar Mantar on Tuesday. They are demanding 33 per cent reservation for women in the Parliament and other State Assemblies. The dharna will continue till August 9, the day when the "Quit India Movement" was launched.
<b>Industry thumbs down to job quota </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Yoga Rangatia | New Delhi
Indian industry has given thumbs down to UPA Government's poll-pledge of legislating quota in private sector jobs.
The JJ Irani Committee on Affirmative Action, set up by Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) and Associated Chambers of Commerce and Industry of India (ASSOCHAM), have in their reports to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday said initiatives to increase employability of Dalits will be "voluntary" and "self-regulated."
The industry body has offered to set up schools in Dalit-majority districts, coaching centres in universities, scholarships in IITs and IIMs and its members will help train SC/ST entrepreneurs.
In a separate report, Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FICCI) in its report said that <b>extending the ambit of reservation will not address the issue of backward classes. </b>
It suggests that empowerment of the under-disadvantaged groups should start from lower rung of the education ladder.<b> FICCI pledged to adopt 100 Government-funded schools in the districts with significant SC/ST population and provide infrastructure, teaching-learning process in these schools</b>.
"Extension of the ambit of the reservation policy for additional segments of the society as well to additional institutions or sectors will not address the core issues. A calibrated and long-term policy of educating and empowering these disadvantaged groups right from the lower rung of the educational ladder only can help them move up the socio-economic strata. (This policy) also nullifies the need for reservations," FICCI's report on affirmative action and role of Indian industry said.
In response to FICCI survey, about half of industry captains showed willingness to adopt a policy of affirmative action.<b> A vast majority, however, said that they do not ask the candidates to furnish information about their caste background while recruiting employees in their organisations. Companies favoured entrepreneurship development as an alternative to reserving seats to generate employment among the backward communities.</b>
FICCI report has asked the Government to put in place comprehensive childhood development services to the children from the less privileged communities in India, along the lines of the "Head Start Programme" administered by the US Government. The Federation suggested that premier institutions of higher education like the IITs and IIMs should be made self-financing and money saved should be reallocated to support schemes for the secondary/pre-degree students from the disadvantaged sections.<b> It points out that quotas to ascertain affirmative action have not found favour in the US.</b>
The Irani Committee opposed any law that curtails organisations' freedom of employment. And instead offered to take initiatives to upgrade the knowledge and skill levels of disadvantaged sections, which will be monitored by independent groups in the two associations. <b>Industry promises to voluntarily set up coaching centres for 10,000 dalit students in universities and offer 50 scholarships in premier institutes like the IIT and IIM. It has also proposed tying up with voluntary agencies to improve schools in 104 dalit districts and collection of an education cess from industry to fund the programmes.</b>
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Congress, Left parties alienated Muslims : BJP
Special Correspondent
"These parties emotionally exploited the minorities"
JAIPUR: The Bharatiya Janata Party's Minority Morcha has accused the Congress, the Samajwadi Party, the Telugu Desam Party and the Left parties of alienating the Indian Muslims from the rest of society and depriving them of their "Indian-ness" for the sake of votes. These parties emotionally exploited the minorities by creating apprehensions in their minds about the followers of the Sanaatan religion (Hinduism), it charged.
The national executive of the BJP Minority Morcha in its political resolution at the three-day convention now under way here found fault with the Congress and Mohammed Ali Jinnah for the "conspiracy" which divided the country on the basis of religion. The Congress and other parties, which created hatred and fear in the minds of Muslims, were the biggest obstructions in the mental, social and cultural development of Muslims in the country, it said.
Accusing the United Progressive Alliance Government at the Centre of indulging in "vote bank politics", the BJP minority front warned against the Sachar Committee's attempts to take stock of the presence of minorities in the armed forces, judiciary and other areas of public life. "The Muslims will get nothing out of this. Instead, it will disturb the communal fabric in the country," the morcha resolution said while demanding the scrapping of the Sachar Committee.
The convention blamed madrasa education for the slow progress of Muslims. Lack of proper education was keeping the Muslims away from contributing to national development. "The Morcha is of the view that the contribution of 12-15 per cent Muslim population to the nation's progress is negligible. The outdated madrasa education is responsible for this."
"The BJP has been the benefactor of Muslims and other minorities. The party is concerned about their backwardness," said the resolution which appealed to the minorities not to get lured into the trap of the Congress and other parties.
The convention, also addressed by Rajasthan Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje and State BJP president Mahesh Sharma, said the Minorities Morcha would initiate a survey of madrasas. It will attempt to introduce new subjects without interfering in the religious education provided by them.
Ms. Raje in her address said the BJP Government treated the minorities as participants in the development process and not as a vote bank.
<b>SC/ST Commission chairman Suraj Bhan passes away</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Known as a committed crusader against casteism and for upliftment and welfare of the backward classes, Bhan was elected to the Lok Sabha four times from Ambala seat in Haryana and was Deputy Speaker of the house during 1996-97. He had also served as Union Agriculture Minister in 1996. Hailing from Haryana, he served as Governor of Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh and Bihar.
Bhan was chairman of the joint parliamentary committee that revised the list of SCs and STs in 1978-79.
He was appointed <b>chairman of the SC/ST Commission on February 24, 2004</b>.
Bhan had also served as Revenue Minister of Haryana and leader of the opposition in the state assembly.
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NEW DELHI: Holding clubbing of two classes of people for reservation as "unreasonable", the Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that state cannot treat unequals as equals.
"In our opinion, the amalgamation of two classes of people for reservation would be unreasonable as two different classes are treated similarly which is in violation of the mandate of Article 14 of the Constitution which is to treat similar similarly and to treat different differently.
"It is well settled that to treat unequals as equals also violated Article 14," a Bench comprising Justice AR Lakshmanan and Justice LS Panta said.
The ruling was delivered while setting aside the verdict of the Jharkhand High Court affirming the decision of the State Government to amulgate the two classes, Extremely Backward Class and Backward Class, and the reduction of reservation from 12 per cent and nine per cent respectively to 14 per cent only for the purpose of admission in professional educational institution.
Jharkhand Government, through a notification on October 10, 2002 had amalgated the two classes for reservation.
Holding the decision as "arbitrary" and "unreasonable", Justice Lakshmanan, writing the judgement for the Bench, said "the state has failed to show any new circumstances except for a bald statement that the same was done after careful application of mind and due deliberation by the highest policy making body, i.e the Council of Ministers".
The court said while clubbing the two classes the state was devoid of any material or empirical data to indicate that the circumstances had been changed and it had also not undertaken any study or research or work.
<span style='color:blue'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>(This is very unpragmatic judgement by Supreme Court which I have seen in recent times.)</span></span>
<b>Keep unaided institutions out of OBC quota Bill, PM tells Arjun</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Its earlier draft Bill had under the definition of âCentral educational institutionsâ included unaided institutions deemed to be universitiesâsuch as Tata Institute of Social Science, BITS, Manipal Academy of Higher Education and Symbiosis, Pune. The new draft Bill will only extend quotas to Central government-funded institutions.
The earlier draft had proposed to <b>fix the quota at 27% whereas the new draft is expected to say âup to a maximum of 27 percentââ</b>allowing for a smaller quantum in initial years, consistent with the Moily committeeâs recommendations.
<b>These two decisions are bound to create ripples in the UPA alliance. PMK leader and Health Minister A Ramadossâs father S Ramadoss is reaching Delhi on Wednesday to meet Congress president Sonia Gandhi and the PM. Said a senior PMK leader: âAlong with the DMK, we canât compromise on extending reservation to private institutions...This is the core issue of our alliance in Tamil Nadu.â</b>
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Varghese K GeorgePosted online: Sunday, August 13, 2006 at 0000 hrs Print EmailMost controversial provision: minority institutions out of SC/ST/OBC quota ambit Quota What Next
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NEW DELHI, AUGUST 12:No quotas in higher-education specialised courses in both government-aided and unaided institutions, allowing up to three years to implement the 27% OBC quotas, keeping minority educational institutions out of the quota net.
These are the key provisions of the two draft quota Billsâone for aided, the other for unaided institutionsâprepared by the Human Resource Development Ministry. After taking the views of other Ministries, the Bills will be introduced in Parliament this session and then sent to standing committees.
Obtained by The Sunday Express, the Bill excludes from the ambit of reservation, âa course or programme at high levels of specialisation including at the post-doctoral level.â
Significantly, this exemption was not in the two earlier drafts of the Bill. The exempted courses will be notified by the Centre âin consultation with the appropriate authority.â
While the Bill mentions 2007 as the year for the quota implementation, for the first time, it also addresses, in specific terms, the question of staggering the implementation and maintaining the number of seats in the unreserved category at its present levels.
The draft says each Central institution will âincrease the number of seats...so that the number of seats excluding those reserved...is not less than the number of such seats available for the academic session immediately preceding the date of the coming in to force of this act.â
And if any institution cannot achieve the 54 percent required increase in intake in one year for âfinancial, physical or academic limitations,â it may be permitted to âincrease the annual permitted strength over a maximum period of three years beginning with the academic session commencing in the calender year 2007.â
While the Governmentâs southern allies are against staggering the quotas, the most politically volatile proposal in the draft Bills is that they do not apply to government-aided minority educational institutions. The bill has a schedule in which such institutions are listed, including Aligarh Muslim University, Jamia Hamdard and St Stephenâs College.
As per the two draft Bills which, for the first time, give statutory status to reservation in education, minority institutions under Article 30 (1) are exempt from reserving seats.
Although 30(1) was originally meant to encourage minority communities to set up and maintain educational institutions, the apex court had ruled that they could receive funds from the government and yet retain their minority status.
Since the legislation for reservations is new, it in effect nullifies the SC/ST reservations implemented in aided minority institutions by executive orders.
Senior HRD officials admitted this provision will be challenged in courts but what could trouble the UPA more is the political fallout. All minority communities and SC/STs are constituencies that the alliance is keen to please but the quota bills could threaten to pit one against the other.
varghese.george@expressindia.com
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<b>Arjun now plans to fund madarssas </b>
New Delhi: It might be good news for the madarssa students because out of every <b>Rs 100 spent by the Government for its literacy drive, Rs 26 will now be directed towards the Muslim community.</b>
Talking about the proposal, Minister of State for Human Resource Development Purandeshwari Devi says, "Yes the proposal is under consideration. Minorities and SCs have been focus group for the government."
This means one-fourth of the Rs 10,000 crore allocated for the Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan for the current fiscal will be utilised in areas with large Muslim population. Ninety-nine districts which have 20 per cent or more Muslim population have been identified.
The allocation comes after HRD Minister Arjun Singh opened minority cell in all the departments under his ministry to focus on minority education
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<b>OBC quota Bill gets Cabinet nod</b>
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Though Arjun Singh and UPA allies like the DMK and the PMK lobbied for immediate and one-go implementation of the proposal, in its interim report, the Moily Committee recommended staggered implementation of the quota regime to enable the educational institutions to strengthen their faculty and infrastructure. The committee's final report is expected by August 31.
The draft Bill has been prepared on the basis of the recommendations of the Oversight Committee, a senior minister in the UPA Government confirmed.
It would cover institutions like Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) and Indian Institute of Management (IIM), he said, adding, "Our aim is to implement the OBC quota in these institutions from the next academic session in a phased manner."
Though there have been voices of dissent from some quarters on this issue, most political parties are expected to support the Bill in the Parliament, Government sources said.
<b>A separate draft Bill introducing 27 per cent quota for OBCs in unaided institutions is likely to be introduced at a later stage.</b> The draft of this second piece of legislation is being finalised by the HRD Ministry, a ministry official said.
The second draft Bill would be taken up once the Moily Committee comes out with a roadmap for implementing OBC quota system in unaided institutions, the official added.
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<b>Anti-quota groups run into cops </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A scuffle broke out between policemen and students agitating against the Centre's reservation policy when the protestors started heading towards Congress President Sonia Gandhi's residence.
Police also resorted to firing water cannons and lobbed tear gas shells to disperse the agitators, who tried to break the security cordon and continue to move towards Gandhi's residence.
Police was able to disperse the students, who suffered minor injuries while trying to get away from the tear gas and water cannons.
The students, who hit the streets after a gap of almost three months to resume their anti-quota agitation a day after Cabinet decided to introduce a Bill in Parliament, wanted to submit a memorandum to Sonia against the Centre's policy.
Students from Indraprastha University, Jawaharlal Nehru University, IIT-Delhi and from medical colleges converged at Jantar Mantar demanding immediate reversal of the Cabinet decision taken late last night.
Chanting anti-government slogans and holding the tricolour, the agitating students said they would go to any extreme to force the government to reconsider their decision
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