Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 3

[Shambhu]

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Republican rag Washington Times (not Post) has a full page ad ssaying "Catholic Church under attack by Abortionists".

How about the millions that have been slaughtered by the Church's Inquisitions? The ongoing slander against Hindus?

Let the organized Church and (the Mosque) go to hell.

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<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+Nov 11 2007, 11:18 PM-->QUOTE(acharya @ Nov 11 2007, 11:18 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Based on the above estimates the average annual rate of increase has been close to 7% for the last 50 years although growth has not been steady during this period. If the rate of increase is maintained at 7%, 25 years later the total number of Chinese Christians might reach 300 to 400 million. This is not just dreaming or guessing, but rather a conclusion based on evidence. The number of Chinese Christians will then surpass the number of Christians in any other ethnic group and China will be the country with the greatest number of Christians. Today there are few ethnic Chinese missionaries, but, in the future, Chinese Christians may contribute the largest and strongest missionary force...

...It is also God's plan that the Chinese elite are found all over the world. Currently, there are about 600,000 Chinese scholars and students abroad, scattered in the U.S., Canada, Britain and the rest of Europe. About half of them are in the U.S. and are very open to the Gospel. Evidence shows that about 10% of them have accepted Christ as their Savior, and many of these believers, who have committed themselves to full-time ministry, are receiving training in theological seminaries. This is a late-twentieth century miracle. When these students return to China after their training, along with the elite in China, they will be a powerful army for the Christianization of 21st century China.

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That's all the world needs now...a massive army of christian crusaders coming out the world's most populated country. Its bad enough that most of the south koreans have turned christian and currently make up the largest christian crusading force in the world. Now to top it, we have the threat of the possibility of over 1 billion chinese peddling bibles. The only way to counteract that, if at all it can be countered, is for all the 1 billion Indians to become staunch hindus (which is highly unlikely scenario). Otherwise, the world will see nothing but doom. The image of millions of recently converted christian (fanatics) trampling about the world with crosses in their backpacks (and possibly swords) is all the more frightening.

[Bharatvarsh]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Durban school lands in controversy over religious remarks
29 Oct 2007, 0059 hrs IST,PTI

DURBAN: A high school here, which created a row in recent past over
an Indian-origin girl wearing a nose ring, has now been plunged into a
fresh controversy after a teacher of the school said that Hindus will
"go to hell", while Christians will "go to heaven".

The incident took place at at the Durban Girls' High School during a
discussion on religion. When one of the pupils told the teacher that
she was Hindu, the teacher responded by saying that because they
prayed to idols they would go to hell. She also told the pupil that
she would pray for her.

"I am shocked by these remarks. They are propogating Christianity and
attacking other religions, which is unacceptable," said a parent.

The chairman of the Human Rights Commission, Jody Kollapen, said the
incident proved that certain people had not yet woken up to the fact
that South Africa was a multi-religious society.

"School is a place where we should advance the values of tolerance and
understanding," he said.

"Any attempt to create a hierarchy of religion that suggests one God
is more powerful than the other, to undermine people's faith and
belief, certainly would run counter to the constitution of the country.

"The Human Rights Commission would view such conduct in a strong
light. But we will have to investigate this complaint thoroughly
before drawing any conclusions," said Kollapen.

A Hindu leader, Ram Maharaj, said they wanted the Human Rights
Commission to investigate the incident fully. "It is particularly
insensitive, offensive and traumatising especially at a time when we
are preparing to celebrate Deepavali," said Maharaj.

"The alleged remarks are unwarranted and venomous. Schools can't be
reduced to happy hunting grounds to wean converts," he said.

The Durban Girl High School was in the news recently when the
Constitutional Court over-ruled the school's decision to ban a former
pupil, Sonali Pillay, from wearing a nose ring to school. The court
ruled that no child should be prohibited from displaying cultural
symbols of choice.

The ban was imposed by the school two years ago when Pillay was
completing her final year in school. The girl's mother, Navi Pillay,
fought the ban in the courts and finally in the Constitutional Court.

The nose-ring saga still continues to raise debate in newspaper
columns and in radio talks shows. While most people have welcomed the
court decision, others, mainly whites, say the court ruling will
affect discipline in schools.

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Update:
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[acharya]

The Goras are coming here to teach us our history and interprect our social traditions for us. Harvard is a divnity school and promtes evangelism in a subtle manner. The implications of this are immense. They will infiltrate into our every institution that looks at our history and social strcutures.

It is a massive pysops move where they will grab intellectual leadership from the natives in all areas of their lives. Conversion may be the final goal.Their theories will be designed to pit one community against another and create chaos. This is not good for the country.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Harvard unveils ambitious plan focusing on South Asia</b>

<i>The university plans to enable more students and scholars from Harvard to travel to South Asia to study, teach, conduct research, and collaborate and vice versa</i>

New York: Harvard University has unveiled an ambitious plan focusing on South Asia which envisages partnerships with institutions and organisations to advance teaching and learning in the region and increasing number of students from there.

The project entails a host of new courses and programmes through which students will be exposed South Asia’s cultures, histories, opportunities and challenges.

It will be pursued with an unprecedented degree of collaboration and coordination across the entire university, including Harvard College and Harvard’s 10 academic units.

The just announced plans stresses on further partnerships with universities and other organizations in South Asia with whom Harvard may partner and strengthening the South Asian community on the Harvard campus by expanding financial support and scholarships for students.

The university plans to enable more students and scholars from Harvard to travel to South Asia to study, teach, conduct research, and collaborate and vice versa.

It also plans to optimize and accelerate research on a broad array of topics from South Asia from ancient times to present-day economic development, health, education and governance opportunities and challenges and expand the faculty that will drive the research.
Students from South Asia represent one of the largest groups who come to Harvard from outside of the US. The numbers from India alone already exceed those from Germany, France, and Japan or the UK.
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“Harvard’s approach to South Asia is one of mutual respect and collaboration. Harvard has much to learn from South Asia and we hope we can reciprocate,” said Professor Jorge I. Dominguez, Vice Provost for International Affairs and one of the architects of the South Asia project.</b>
During the consultative process, Harvard received a number of major gifts of $1million or more specifically targeted to support its expansion of activity related to South Asia.

These include contributions from from Arvind Raghunathan, Anand Mahindra, Mala Gaonkar Haarmann, Victor J. Menezes, Vikram Gandhi, and Eshwar Das to support the South Asia Initiative.
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http://www.livemint.com/2007/11/15133752/H...tious-plan.html
This is one massive project. But it is funded by the DIE themselves without knowing the 40 years of south asia sociology studies already being done.


These Indians are literate not educated. They should have at least had a look at past "scholarship" of Harvard about Indian traditions and society before throwing in their millions. Really, these industrialists like Anand Mahindra are funding Gora's assault on India's psyche. Shame on them.

[acharya]

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That's all the world needs now...a massive army of christian crusaders coming out the world's most populated country. Its bad enough that most of the south koreans have turned christian and  currently make up the largest christian crusading force in the world. Now to top it, we have the threat of the possibility of over 1 billion chinese peddling bibles. The only way to counteract that, if at all it can be countered, is for all the 1 billion Indians to become staunch hindus (which is highly unlikely scenario). Otherwise, the world will see nothing but doom. The image of millions of recently converted christian (fanatics) trampling about the world with crosses in their backpacks (and possibly swords) is all the more frightening.
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According to some Christian evangelical websites, there are about 70 million Christians in China today, though the officially stated number by Chinese govt. is 20 million.</b>

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The past fifty years also saw considerable progress by the Chinese church. Fifty years ago China had one to two million Christians. Today, there are various estimates of the current number of Christians: the conservative estimate suggests 20 to 30 million; it may be 60 million, and it is possible the number could even be higher.

Based on the above estimates the average annual rate of increase has been close to 7% for the last 50 years although growth has not been steady during this period. If the rate of increase is maintained at 7%, 25 years later the total number of Chinese Christians might reach 300 to 400 million. This is not just dreaming or guessing, but rather a conclusion based on evidence.


www.chsource.org/Striving.htm

Why Chinese would wilfully abandon their own native faith and culture is really a perplexing issue.


History of Chinese communist revolution will give lot of answers. The fall of the last empire around 1912 created chaos inside china which was exploited by Japan and western countries.

The nationalists of ChainKai Shek were from the royalty/mandarins. The communist part of Chinese society was from the lower class of the Chinese monarchy. The Chinese communist leadership was converted to chritianity during the 30s-50s.
The Chinese communists the lower class over threw the nationalists and took over the country in 1949. They created the cultural revolution which wiped out the memories and symbols of the traditional religions and culture.

After 50 years Christian conversion due to communist leadership has increased and economic expansion is used to push it further. Methodist Christianity is the major denomination but Catholic christianity is also strong.


Chinese society (like Japan) has a 4 tier social hirarchy (a copy of Indian "Varna" system. BTW Varna system is not "Caste" system, that was virulent British/European racism that British added into Indian society and let the Indian have it as their own, and threw the blame of the new virulent infected system on "Hindu Brahmin").

The British Opium trade and Opium war (by British Indian Army) lead to Anglo-Chinese War resulted in more foreign encroachment in China. The 1858 Treaties of Tientsin permitted foreign missionaries in the interior, foreign legations in Beijing, and eleven more ports opened to foreign trading interests. The British had learnt social engineering based penetration in last 20 years in India. Using lower Chinese Varna (Cast) to convert to Christianity and using them to undercut and pull the rug under the Chinese society.

The Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95 culminated ten years of intrigue in Korea, and the Treaty of Shimonoseki forced China to recognise its independence, cede Formosa to Japan, and open four more ports to foreign commerce. That war also prompted a European scramble for political and economic concessions to counter growing Japanese and Russian influence. Educated Chinese concurrently demanded internal reform of the Manchu regime to prevent further foreign inroads.

Secret Chinese societies, most notably the "Righteous Harmonious Fists" (called Boxers by the foreigners), embodied opposition to the aggressive foreign presence, and began persecuting its most visible manifestation, namely missionaries and their Chinese converts.

The Boxers operated with considerable sympathy of the Imperial Court. Foreign demands for Imperial suppression of the Boxers only fueled the problem. As chaos spread, the legations appealed for more help from an eight-nation fleet standing off the coast at Tientsin. Foreign seizure of the forts guarding Tientsin led to Chinese declaration of war. 1900 war loss lead to more concession to foreigners.

The missionary conversion of the lowest Verna amplified thereafter and when the critical ratio of ~10% was reached (in coastal region). This was also the time the British created their next invention in UK, "Socialism". (UK is still the capital of World Socialism. (Oxford at el are just a few guard towers that are high and most visible part of that apparatus). Socialism, science and Christianity was a heady cocktail brew those days in 1910-1940). One has to understand that most converted were not overtly professing Christian faith as one would expect to see in an asian society that has crossed the majority threshold.

Till 1945 Socialism and Communism was useful beast in hand of British (almost exactly like Jihadi Mujahiddins were useful instrument of USA, UK and Pakistan in first Afghan war against Soviet Russia). After end of WW-2 the Socialist - Communist took a life of its own and turned rabidly against the their mother (UK and USA) and the hand that fed them money, politics and intellectually. ( Again almost exactly like Jihadi Mujahiddins were created by USA, UK and Pakistan in Afghanistan war )

Anyway British (and after 1945 USA) used this convert population from lowest Chinese Verna in the form of "prolitrate Socialist-communist Party" to cut the Chinese foundation of traditional society and royalty in 1948. The christian foundation to the chinese prolitrate is visible in the faith of all communist party leadership if only one cares to dig below the surface a little.

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“Harvard’s approach to South Asia is one of mutual respect and collaboration. Harvard has much to learn from South Asia and we hope we can reciprocate...”
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Mutual respect? Really? [<i>acid dripping..]</i>

Isn't this the same institution from where hails Michael Weazel, and his band of men in red tights and horns, the chronic India/hinduism hater, known for rewriting Indian history to make the christian European ''Aryans'' show up in best light in all their fictions?

I have no doubt that this new intitiative will provide ''splendid'' opportunities for the pack of 'scholars' from Harvard to rewrite ancient Indian/Hinduism history, science, arts, medicine, etc, under the pretense of academic research, to make it seem like the European christian had a hand in all the glorious acomplishments of ancient India, and that without whose help and interaction, Indians would have continued to remain uncivilized and sacrificing children at the altar. Or has that bit already been credited to the Mayan civilization?

[Shambhu]

Can anyone give me the exact citation for things like "If your father is against me, kill him" said by Jesus.

Thanks..

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<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Nov 16 2007, 09:03 PM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Nov 16 2007, 09:03 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Can anyone give me the exact citation for things like "If your father is against me, kill him" said by Jesus.

Thanks..
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You might want to check out the following website, which has compiled most of the (in)famous quotes of jesus on family, marriage, treatment of slaves, etc. Each of the quotes are classified according to subject matter.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical...f_jesus.html#53


For example, under Egoism, the website states:


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Egotism</b>

<b>If Jesus was not God, but merely the ideal man, his estimate of himself was excessive. In addition to his remarks already quoted there are many other instances of an exaggerated ego.</b>

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." [Luke xiv, 26.]

"Whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." [John xi, 26.]

"If ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. [John viii, 24.]

"I am the light of the world." [John viii, 12.]

"I am the Son of God." [John x, 36.]

"I am the resurrection and the life." [John xi, 25.]

If Jesus was correct in claiming that he was the Messiah, if he could control the elements and send people to heaven or hell, he was justified in any extreme remarks; but not if he were merely a man. Every person is entitled to have as good an opinion of himself as his character and ability warrant, <b>but expressions of his own worth are unseemly even if true, and are inexcusable if exaggerated. </b>As Jesus himself said (though this authority is only for believers) testimony about oneself is unreliable.

<b>Jesus not only claimed to be more than a man, he threatened his hearers with death if they did not agree with him. All of which might be permissible if he were God, but was an egotistical illusion if he was merely human.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Under Lack of Courtesy, for example:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Lack of Courtesy</b>

Jesus did not always exhibit the courtesy one would expect of a gentleman, or even of a nature's nobleman.

The first instance of lack of consideration was when he slipped away from his parents, causing them unnecessary anxiety: "Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. [Luke ii, 48.] He had remained behind to study Hebrew theology and did not tell his parents, presumably because he thought they would not have permitted the venture.

Another instance was found in his daily life:

"A certain Pharisee besought him to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat. And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner. And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness. Ye fools ..." [Luke xi, 37-40.]

Jesus had not only failed to wash as was expected of a guest, but defended his uncleanliness and abused his host.

At another time Jesus was discourteous to his mother:

"And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee?" [John ii, 4.]

Jesus was apparently annoyed at his mother's interference, though he followed her suggestion. He did not set a good example for children in addressing their mothers.

When the Syrophenician woman asked him to help her daughter, "Jesus saith unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs. And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs. And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter." [Mark vii, 25-29.]

Jesus practically admitted that he had made a mistake in speaking unkindly to a Gentile. Her clever answer induced him to change his decision. A physician who called a stranger's child a dog would now be considered brutal even in a free hospital.

"And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." [Matt. viii, 21-22.]

Jesus could have allowed the man to attend his father's funeral and follow him later. Would not that have set a better precedent?

When Peter intervened to protect Jesus, the latter "turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me." [Matt. xvi, 23,]

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Another website:

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/bible_quotes.html also gives insight to jesus's personality through his declarations on the various issues.

For example, on whether jesus was the 'bringer of peace?' (the bold is mine)


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Was Jesus the bringer of peace on earth? </b>

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother- in-law...."
..........Matthew 10:34

"Do you think I have to come to give peace on earth?  No, I tell you, but rather division; for henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three; they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, mother- in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in- law.
..........Luke 12:51

"But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me." ..........Luke 19:27 (parable)

"And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one." ..........Luke 22:36

"If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." ..........Luke 14:26<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Shambhu]

Thanks, Sankaraji.. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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<!--QuoteBegin-sankara+Oct 28 2007, 01:39 AM-->QUOTE(sankara @ Oct 28 2007, 01:39 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Nuns,Jesus and ISKCON
Courtesy: (Pseudo)Secularism Combat

<i>Dressed in their white gowns they came into the chapel with the Mother Superior and were about to undergo the ceremony to marry them to Jesus, making them brides of Christ

Just as the ceremony was to begin four Hasidic Jews with yarmulkes, long sideburns and long beards came in and sat in the front row.

The Mother Superior said to them, “I am honoured that you want to share this experience with us, but do you mind if I ask why you came?”

One of the Hasdic Jews replied “We’re from the groom’s (Jesus) family”</i>

This makes us recall the case of nuns in a court in Warsaw, Poland against ISKCON. Noting that the ISKCON is spreading it’s activities and gaining followers in Poland , a nun filed a case before a Judicial Magistrate praying that ISKCON should be banned because it’s followers are glorifying  a Character called Krishna ‘Who was loose in morals, having married 16,000 Gopikas’.

When the case came up for hearing the ISKCON defendant requested the Judge to  ask the nun to repeat the oath she has taken when she has ordained as a nun. The Judge asked the Nun to recite the Oath loudly.She would not.

ISKCON man asked the Judge whether he could read it out for the nun. The Judge said go ahead. The pledge was to effect that ‘she (nun) is married to Jesus Christ’ .ISKCON man said “Your Lordship! Lord Krishna is alleged to have ‘married’ 16,000women. There are more than a million nuns who assert that they are married to Jesus Christ. Between the two Krishna and the nun, who are loose characters”

The Judge dismissed the case and allowed ISKCON to go its way.     

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[Shambhu]

"Rachel" has come here to give us more "truths" (you know, just like like the "gospel", "jesus christ", "islam the religion of peace" etc)


Yes rachel, whatever you say onlee, no?

The Church "investigates" several things thru its civilan branches. And a happy flat earth to you too! Happy Titus Flavius worship!
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/

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Beedi indeed..Bloody bigot.

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<b>Sex Scandal Rocks Famed Megachurch</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->DECATUR, Ga. (Nov. 19) - The 80-year-old leader of a suburban Atlanta megachurch is at the center of a sex scandal of biblical dimensions: He slept with his brother's wife and fathered a child by her.

Members of Archbishop Earl Paulk's family stood at the pulpit of the Cathedral of the Holy Spirit at Chapel Hill Harvester Church a few Sundays ago and revealed the secret exposed by a recent court-ordered paternity test.
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[acharya]

Christianity in India: Historical frauds
11/24/2007 12:07:41 PM Murky

Christian faith healing mafia centre in Kerala secretly cremated murdered bodies



If you think ‘COMA’ type stories are possible only in the Western world, think again. In Kerala, the church is involved in murders of the christian faithful, who come to their faith healing centre. Recently in Tamil Nadu, four bishops stole Rs 40 crore meant for the Tsunami victims and some of them are arrested under goondas act. Kidney sale is a fact in Tamil Nadu and some 500 poor persons were forced to sell their kidneys to the christian hospitals operating there.

On 10 March 2006, the Kerala High Court issued an order with an ultimatum to the government to make a thorough investigation on the public allegation against the Christian Divine Retreat Centre in Muringoor in Kerala state, India. Justice Padmananbhan Nair has ordered the government to make a thorough investigation about sexual abuse, homicide, foreign exchange violation, forceful conversion, abduction, intimidation and imprisonment of unwilling residents at the center. The court decided to conduct the inquiry after receiving a complaint from a former christian employee of the centre. Some of the inmates had made two video CDs and sent a letter to the court for necessary action against the christian faith racket that was going on in Kerala with political and police protection. Divine Retreat Centre, started in the eighties, is a christian mafia faith healing centre. For several years, the general public and civic leaders have complained against Muringoor Christian center about the foreign currency violation, sex abuse, misdemeanor, felony, forceful conversion, murder, rape and abduction and medical malpractice committed at the center. The Kerala christian Churches are organized on the lines of Italian mafia and have undue influence on the government and government officials have turned a deaf year to the public plea against the anti social activities at the Center. Reluctantly, government has appointed IG Winson M Paul to investigate the Muringoor Divine center. The Marxist communist government of Kerala ordered only a partial investigation for fear of Christian backlash.

One of the Muringoor Divine Center Director George Panackal filed a law suit demanding one crore rupees for the police investigation and the High Court had dismissed the frivolous law suit. Pinaroy Vijayan, General Secretary of the Marxist communist Party, who was recently caught with live cartridges at Chennai airport, paid a visit to the Center and praised and admired their activities in public thus endorsing their illegal activities.

Many inmates were murdered for their wealth and the centre used to secretly cremate murdered bodies at the corporation graveyard in Kalamassery. Divine Retreat Centre is involved in illegal foreign funding to criminal and other activities. Many inmates were gone missing from this christian mafia centre over the years. It has been stated that almost twenty bodies have been burnt in the last four years alone. Dasan, the watchman of the corporation graveyard in Kalamassery said that he used to get Rs 750 for burning each body and that it was the same person who used to bring the bodies from the divine centre always. A christian doctor, Dr Thankamma Francis of the divine centre was the doctor who always used to issue death certificate to all those bodies cremated secretly. It should be noted that christians are not cremated in Kerala and are buried. The police investigation was carried out in Divine Retreat Centre on 30 September and 1 October 2006.



Sonia Gandhi had put christians in many states as the Inspector General of Police and Kerala is also a christian by name Winson M. Paul. The Kerala government had put Winson M. Paul for enquiring the illegal activities in the Divine faith healing centre and constituted a police team under him based on the court directive. Several public servants such as Inspectors General of Police and the wife of a State Minister are closely associated with the functioning of the Divine Centre. They are also members of the Advisory Body of the centre. A group of senior IAS, IPS and other government officials of Kerala are working behind this 'underworld' operations of the faith healing centre. This centre receives huge funds from the Social Welfare Department of Kerala government. Some 9000 people are on the voters list of the christian faith healing centre.



The congress party in India is christian controlled. The Italian catholic christian, Antonia Maino alias Sonia Gandhi is the president of the congress party of India. The congress party of Kerala state is headed by a christian who is a front man of a Dubai based audio video piracy firm that operates on a much bigger scale worldwide than that of Dawood Ibrahim’s set up in Dubai. Christian politicians of Kerala like Umman Chandi and K.M.Mani were funded by this centre. Congress party members boycotted the Kerala assembly proceedings when police raided the christian faith healing centre in Muringoor, Kerala. The christian leaders like K M Mani tried to paint that police misbehaved towards christian patients including women at the centre to divert the public attention from the main issue of dozens of murders in the christian faith healing centre. The christian K.M. Mani was a former law minister and claimed that police violated norms in the Criminal Procedure Code and harassed HIV/AIDS patients who were being cured at the Divine faith healing centre. K. M. Mani, on 3 October 2006 at the Divine Retreat Centre stated that the faith healing centre has become an oasis for the poor, sick people abandoned by medical science and a home of refuge for the mentally challenged people. He said that he always visited the centre as he also felt mentally challenged at times.



After cornering the private education field in Kerala with the political clout, the Kerala christians are now concentrating on medical field to raise funds for the christian conversion work going on in India manned by the Kerala christians. With the advent of AIDS the christian church concentrated on faith healing to make money. The faith healing centers are a method to extract the last drop of blood from AIDS patients, drug addicts and the like. The christian priests and nuns, who form the slave labor force of the church runs educational institutions and medical centers. The christian priest Fr.Augustine Vallooran, a Director of Divine Retreat Centre was arrested by the police.



A Christian fanatic has issued a death threat to Justice Padmanabhan Nair for ordering the state government to probe the unlawful and anti social activities of the Muringoor Christian Divine Center. The Marxist endorsement reinforced the Center to continue illegal activities and motivated the Christian extremist to issue death threat against Justice Padmananbhan Nair. The death threat was sent to Justice Padmanabhan Nair from an Ernakulum Telephone Booth. The death threat was specifically made to Justice Padmanabhan Nair warning him that he will be murdered for ordering investigation against the illegal activities and forceful homicide at the Christian Divine Center. The death threat against Justice Padmanabhan Nair shows the danger to India from the radical Christianity of India and its unholy nexus between the Marxist Party.

The Kerala christians, who call themselves as Syrian christians and claim that they are decedents of Brahmin converts of St. Thomas, are the typical example of the christian frauds. The history of Christianity is crowded with crimes against humanity of the most horrendous kind. As many as 23,000 blatant forgeries and foisting of pious frauds were done by christians. Starting with Jesus Christ, the entire doctrinal and institutional edifice of Christianity rests on a series of staggering swindles and lies. The book ‘Native life of Travancore’ written by The Rev. Samuel Mateer F L S and published in 1883 have a chapter called Syrian Christians from page 158. Rev. Samuel Mateer while traveling throughout Kerala had stayed in many places and had talked with many of the Kerala Syrian christians. He found that none of the converts have heard of Jesus Christ and does not know why a cross was being worshiped. Kotarakara Syrian church doorway was sketched in his book and it shows a cock engraved along with the cross and armed figures. The book clearly indicates that the Syrian Christians of Kerala are the ‘Paraya community’ converts. The marriageable ages of boys were 10 years, and that of the girls were 7 years. The married couple can enter the house only after ‘nellum niram’ and with the lamp in the hand of the girl. The women make ‘kurava’ a shrill cry during this time. Fasting for the dead are kept for a year by a relative in the family. Syrian Christians consult sorcerers and offerings are made to the demons (Hindu Gods). When the head of the Hindu Paraya community is dead, as per the customary caste law of Parayas, they bury the corpus of the deceased head Parayas or moopan in sitting posture instead of the usual practice of keeping the dead body in lying position. Primitive burial practices of Parayas are still being practiced by the Syrian christians in Kerala. The Syrian Christians of Kerala bury the corpse of their christian bishops in the same manner as the Hindu Parayas who bury their head Parayas or Moopan. The historical records and even the burial patterns show that Syrian christians of Kerala are Paraya converts. Syrian Christians of Kerala maintained the ritual of offering obsequies for the souls of the dead ancestors as that of the practice of Parayas. The obsequies for the dead ancestors contained blood, flesh and intoxicating drinks. These are all typical local Kerala customs of Paraya community.

`1Pope Benedict XVI in 2006 said that St Thomas had preached Christianity in "western" India and did not visit Kerala. The Kerala Paraya christian converts created two conflicting stories to show that they are of higher Hindu caste converts to Christianity. One group of Paraya christians, created a story that they were converts of Brahmins, by St. Thomas who had arrived in Kerala in 52AD. This fake St. Thomas story is proved to be a fraud after the present Nazi Pope Joseph Ratzinger, who was a Hitler Youth and head of Opus Dei, told that St. Thomas visited the present Pakistan and never went to Kerala. This crooked christians of Kerala operating from Tamil Nadu even created martyrdom for St. Thomas in Chennai, in a fake story in which st. Thomas was killed by a Brahmin. They destroyed the Kapileswara temple near the seashore with the help of Europeans and constructed a St. Thomas church using some of the temple stones. These christians of Kerala created a St. Thomas mount in Chennai from where they are now selling sacred Thomas sand by the kilos, claiming that Thomas walked all over that area. Another group of christian converts of Kerala claims that they are refugees from Syria in AD 352, and created fake copper agreements in Portuguese language from Kerala Kings to prove their arrival etc. The christians of Kerala, and the terrorist muslims of Kerala migrated to Tamil Nadu to further their activities.<b> Christians along with the British created and propagated the Aryan invasion theory which convinced the black Tamils that they are an inferior community different from the fair Brahmins. This propaganda has created a Dravidian movement in Tamil Nadu and created Tamil Terrorists like E.V. Ramasami Naicker also known as Periyar or EVR. In Tamil Nadu and Kerala many dirty criminal Christian frauds happened. The International Institute of Tamil Studies, sponsored and funded by the Government of Tamil Nadu, had published in 1985-86 a book titled Viviliyam, Tirukkural, Shaiva Siddhantam Oppu Ayu. The writer of the book was a Christian by name M. Deivanayakam. </b>The University of Madras had conferred a doctor’s degree on the author for writing this dissertation. The thesis propounded by him was that the ancient Tamil saint, Tiruvalluvar, had become a disciple of St. Thomas and converted to Christianity. N. Krishnaswami Reddiar, a retired judge’ of the high court denounced Deivanayakam’s book as “trash in the name of research.” The visit of St. Thomas to India was a myth, and wondered how a book like that by Deivanayakam could be published by an institute set up by the Government and honored by the University of Madras with a doctorate. Dr. R. Nagaswami, eminent archaeologist, also censored the institute and the university for sponsoring a spurious thesis, and said that the St. Thomas story “was a ruse to spread Christianity in India which is now confirmed by the Pope himself. Deivanayakam had collaborated with Dr. R. Arulappa, the Catholic Archbishop of Madras, in writing another but similar book, Perinbu Villakku, published in 1975. The Archbishop had also tried to prove that Tiruvalluvar had come in contact with St. Thomas during the latter’s travels in South India, and converted to Christianity. But he had gone much further, and forged ‘evidence’ on palm-leaf scrolls in support of his thesis. He had employed a Hindu scholar of Christianity, Ganesh Iyer, for this purpose, and paid him to the tune of 15 lakh rupees. The fraud had been exposed when someone put the police on the trail of Ganesh Iyer. The case had dragged on in the Madras metropolitan court from 1980 to 1986 when Ganesh Iyer was sentenced to ten months’ imprisonment on various counts. But Dr. Arulappa had got him acquitted by means of a civil suit for compromise filed in the Madras High Court at the same time that the criminal case was going on. Ganesh Iyer had spilled the beans soon after.

Christian Slave traders of yesterday are the human rights activists of today. Christianity a trillion dollar business built on fraud and Greatest Cover Up in History. Christians are a fifth column community in India. Kerala Paraya Christians moved in to Tamil Nadu to create fake histories because they found that Tamilians left in Tamil Nadu have low IQ or no IQ at all. Nehru’s illegitimate child was growing up in a christian orphanage in Bangalore, and this enabled them to blackmail Nehru to allow the missionaries to have conversion by gun, in the North East states of India. Antonia Maino coming from the lowest strata of Italy and an illiterate girl, working as a barmaid in UK was presented by Opus Dei and KGB in front of Rajiv Gandhi to continue the hold of christians in India. Christians who worked as the agents of the British were en masse killed in Delhi, during the first war of Independence in 1857. Recently christian members of Indian Parliament elected from all states had attended a meeting of a christian terrorist group of North Eastern states. This christian terrorist group of North East calls for the creation of christian nations out of North East India and the christian MPs promised them help. Recently Manipur’s congress party chief minister Ibobi Singh donated Rs 1.5 Crore to christian separatists. US Senator Barbara Boxer and ex President Jimmy Carter calls for Nagaland to secede from India. You have to understand that the Christian missionaries and militants have been working for years to bring most of the states of the northeast to secede from India to become a separate Christian country, even if it means by force and brutality. For example, few people seem to be aware that in the small state of Tripura alone, over 10,000 people have been killed in the past 20 years by Christian militants through what you could call ethnic cleansing. The killing is done to instill fear in those who are not Christian, or who do not want to separate from India. And these militants are often supported by the Christian groups who provide money and reasoning for what they do. Southern Baptist Church forcing conversions at gun point. The Baptist Church in southern USA and the Presbyterian Church of the UK fund the Baptist Christian terrorists that are active in India's North-East. Ex-Chief Election Commissioner, T.N. Seshan, told this in a discussion in 1993. the terrorist groups like NLFT. The Christian Groups in America that fund armed insurgents in north east India to carry out ethnic cleansing and killing in India should be declared as terrorist organizations by the Indian government. Billy Graham well known Baptist leader openly praised the christian naga terrorists who had killed some 300,000 Hindus in North East. The Nagas, The NLFT, The NDFB are all Baptists are christian terrorists and interestingly they all share terrorist camps with islamists of Al-Quaida.<b> Christianity is the result of a huge conspiracy and is the single most dangerous organization on earth that caused the death of half a billion humans in the name of religion. Islam pales in to insignificance as a terror organization in front of Christianity with only seventy five million human beheadings to its credit.</b>

[Guest]

Christian school president resigns amid scandal
Sat Nov 24, 2007

DALLAS (Reuters) - The president of Oral Roberts University (ORU), a fundamentalist Christian school in Tulsa, Oklahoma, has resigned amid allegations of improper use of the institution's funds.

School president Richard Roberts is the son of the televangelist the university is named after and the scandal recalled his father's own controversies such as his 1987 announcement on television that God would "call him home" if he did not raise $8 million.

"... a letter was sent from Richard Roberts to the Board of Regents of Oral Roberts University tendering his resignation as President of Oral Roberts University effective ... November 23, 2007," the university said in a brief statement.

The scandal has included allegations that Roberts, who is also a televangelist, used university funds for an extravagant personal lifestyle.

The Oklahoman newspaper reported that a former school accountant said earlier this week that he had been ordered to "cook the books" to conceal improper spending.

The scandal erupted when three former professors last month filed a lawsuit claiming they were forced from their jobs partly because they refused to get students involved in a Tulsa mayoral contest. The lawsuit included the allegations of financial impropriety.

[acharya]

Christian Conversion Activities - Dilip's blog
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Sunday, 25 November 2007

source: Dilip's Blog

Okay, today's subject i am going to talk here is quite important. Which means it’s quite controversial too.

I will proclaim my usual statements when i talk about this subject so that some sorry ass punk cannot grade me as a RSS/VHP fanatic or a Hindu extremist.

I studied in an Anglo-Indian (Christian) school all my life with the exception of high school. I went to a Roman Catholic College (Loyola) and most of my friends from my childhood are Anglo Indians. Some of my closest friends in the present day are Anglo Indians / Christians too.

So before you label me as an anti Christian and an extremist, halt. Verify the credibility of this information about my childhood and logically analyze the facts i have given here. Arguments are welcome but let it be scientific and logical; bullshit will be rewarded with the same.

So now that you have kind of figured out that i am going to talk about Christians or Christianity let me break your anxiety by saying its neither! I'm going to talk about "Christian Conversion Activities" in India.

I will break this up in 3 parts for your understanding…

1. The background and context in which the Christianity comes to India in the 20th century and the present 21st century
2. The current conversion activities and the methodologies practiced and used.
3. How to avoid a missionary, what questions to ask and how the defend your faith.

Of course I will do all of this with a personal touch and incidents and examples from my own life. Why? Because I can speak best for myself and not for anyone else, fair enough? I guess so.

Note: Hindu fanatics need not make use of this opportunity to get friendly with me, I am a hardcore atheist and I will have the same amount of courtesy and bias towards Hinduism and Islam.

So what the heck makes me an expert on this topic? Very simple, i have been the target of every other Tom, Dick and Harry missionary in town from the days of my childhood to the latest one being day before yesterday, a call from some Wiesel at 2 in the night preaching about Jesus Christ the savior of my sorry broken ass.

The Background

So why am i the target of these missionaries? Simple fact is i am physically challenged and the first thing they see in that is a sign of weakness. Obvious they think i would convert with a little bit of persuasion and lure of things and money, yeah right!

Back in my good old school days I was preached over and over again by the Christian school that Jesus is the only god and that there is no other god. Come out of school you have these prayer houses which have posters all over the place stating up front that all Hindu gods are variations of the devil or so called saiton.

Funny that .89 billion Hindus don't have one bad thing to say about these Christian missionaries that propagate nothing but hatred and religious extremism in the neighborhood. Perhaps it’s too much of this tolerance nonsense that is becoming to be more of cowardice even though Hinduism is being butchered everyday by the people and the system in India.

Firstly let me start off by saying that Christianity is dying, hell yes. If you don't believe me well good for Christianity but it make not an ounce of difference. The amount of funds that the Vatican is getting everyday is coming down and the base for Christianity and Christian priests is declining by the day. Hang on; this is not some bullshit I am ripping off your spine but from the pope himself.

According to Pope Benedict, "there is no longer evidence in the western world for a need of God, even less of Christ."

Satisfied? Still don't believe me, read the news baby, its there for you to gulp, unfortunately!

For a more detailed article see here.

So back on our topic, what happens when the western world is too expensive for them to afford themselves? They outsource, which is precisely why they come to third world countries like India and Africa etc.,

Making more crowd base for the Christian community is easier here because Indians are still under the grip of religion to a major extent and we do not accept things like science and reasoning when placed on par with religion. Obviously it’s easy to convince the uneducated masses in India that Christianity is their solution to all of the problems they have with Hinduism. It's a fair deal since Hinduism lacks one component which every other religion and community in the world is better at. Unity, period. We are divided by so many castes, languages and communities and innumerable barriers that by the time we try and spread a message of unity it is often misinterpreted by someone down the chain, much like the Chinese whisper game.

Starting with the early 19th century and long before that the British invasion and rule the smartest thing that the Vatican managed to do is establish strong grounds on the educational front of the country by establishing schools and colleges which now blatantly misinterpret Hinduism as a “Caste System” based religion that discriminates people and how the rich Brahmin priests have fun while the Dravidians and lower caste people suck for a days meal. To a minor extent this is true but majority of the stuff is misinterpreted anyways. So now all you got to do is preach the goodness of Christianity as half the job (demonizing Hinduism) has already been done by education.

Let’s move on…

How Stuff works?

No missionary or preacher in your account will approach someone like Tata Birla or forget Tata Birla; they would not approach a candidate like me who makes a few lakhs of rupees per annum in a software company, well educated with a decent financial and social background. Why? Because conning people like us is not a joke neither does sentimental blackmail work with us, unless of course again you are like me, a physically or mentally challenged person with a staunch sign of weakness and regression.

For a good example on what kind of dubious methods Missionaries use to convert people look here but we will move on with my account right away.

Usually I get approached by an ordinary person who is a Christian like you and me and they try and tell me that I have hope in life (as if I told them I have lost it!) and that I can be cured! They promise me of miracles and give me countless no. of miracles and instances and evidence as to how people like me have been cured. When I put up an argument then comes the part which is the killer weapon.

They lure me, they start making statements like “I know deep inside that you want something which we can give” sort of stuff. Usually what they indicate by this is two things, its most of the time money and in rare instances sex. Yep, I have been offered that too, great sex if I would come pray at a church. No kidding, one important thing to note here is they will never ever talk about Christianity or conversion here at any given point of time.

I have been to churches (to the best of my knowledge) at least 50 or a 100 times on the invitation of close friends and teachers or principals or any acquaintance I would have made. Now here is where the strategy lies. Just like in marketing the front runner generates the lead and passes it on to the big guys who do the selling when you go to these churches you would have a big guy. Occasionally this guy might be a father (priest/vicar) but most of the time it's the person you are most comfortable with and this guy will be the most famous guy, say for example like a guitarist for the church band or a keyboard player whom usually fascinate people with their humor and artistic capabilities. They for sure know that nothing sells like art does and that its easy to talk to people at a personal level using art than any other form of communication, especially children and people with conditions like physical disabilities or personal problems.

So usually you would find someone who is like quite comfortable to talk with and this person would be the one who will start the topic of being regular to a the church or the prayer group. Then you start going to the place when one fine day out of the blue they will give you an English name, which is when you start to think something is so ridiculously funny about the whole setup. I usually refrain from attending the prayer meetings or the gospel concerts at this point of time and then comes the good friend starry guy from the place who tries and figure out what’s wrong. As soon as he figures out that you have potentially lost interest in this religion sh1t he starts with the emotional blackmail.

It’s usually the story of how I deserve to be born as a physically challenged person and how much I have sinned (yes, he made a note of all my sins in a Microsoft excel worksheet right from my birth) and how Jesus can relieve me and how pathetically the Hindu gods have failed to help me all this while. If this sh1t does not work then comes lure of money and a “Comfortable” living with support and help of the community. The final resort is the guy tries to change the topic and tries to find out what you want to do with life etc., kind of bullshit. Obvious that at some point in time I would have talked about things like what I expect in a girlfriend/wife with one of these folks in a very casual conversation like you do with the friends you trust.

At this point of time the guy usually walks away and a girl replaces the advisor position. Usually there is physical contact. Okay, shut up u perverts not that kind of physical contact! A hug, a kiss on the cheek, teary talks of how wonderful a person I am and how much everybody loves me (usually she quotes the names of all the prettiest babes in the church or prayer committee with whom I would have hanged out/flirted around with) and misses me at the place. How it’s not anymore fun without me and a whole load of emotional sh1t no rational woman would talk to me. Being the person that I am I very well know that the least possibility of a woman getting so emotional with me is like a one is to a million chances. If at all that happens it would be a close friend and for a different, genuine reason. Nevertheless they talk of things like how pretty Hindu (Brahmin is a more appropriate word) women wear crappy clothes and are only after money and wont care a sh1t about my sorry lame ass and would never marry me but Christian women (like the ones in the church or prayer group) are really genuine loving and caring. In the worst case scenario the last attempt resort would be a threat of the world coming to an end by 2000 and I better convert since Christ is going to kill all non believers (I thought he was supposed to be a resort of kindness and love and forgiving!) anyways.

Luckily that sh1t did not happen and this 2000 year crap has now for some unfortunate dumb reason become 2020, 2010, 2015 and 2008 according to whatever church or group that preaches it.

Rebuttals, the goodies part!

Why am I doing this? I know how painful it is to waste time. The most irritating way to waste time is someone trying to preach you sh1t they don't practice themselves and you trying to get yourself out of the situation in vain. Seriously, getting out of an argument with a missionary is a pain! They know their stuff and they have done their homework well, so we better be prepared. If you want to get out of a situation you have to talk your way out of it, just like how you avoid an insurance agent or that friend of yours who wants you to join Amway!

Here are simple pointers that will be helpful…

1. Dan Brown is your fucking god! If you have not read the “Da Vinci Code” you better do it now! Tell the missionary that you have read the Da Vinci Code and the “Angels and Demons” and that Jesus was a good political leader but no son of god sh1t. This will set them on the back foot, once you are on the offensive there is no turning back and the missionary is going to sh1t his pants! As you already know offense is the best form of defense.
2. Tell them you are an atheist even if you are not one. They know very well atheists are rock solid nuts to crack than religious people and will eventually be more cautious. When you are unrealistically cautious you f*(k up, which is precisely what you will do.
3. Start preaching Hinduism (if you are a Hindu) or Islam (if you are a Muslim) or your religion (if you are religious, whatever you belong to, Jews, Jains…) this will irritate anyone. It’s like trying to sell an insurance policy to a door salesman who came to sell you a vaccum cleaner. Double Jeopardy!
4. There are loads of sh1t you can talk about the bible, pick controversial statements like where the bible says (Old Testament) its “ok to sell your daughter into slavery” and “disobedient children can be stoned to death”. If they tell you the New Testament is the IN THING and nobody cares about the old one, well be happy. They just walked into their grave because the New Testament has better sh1t on it than the old man!
5. Current Research says that the New Testament contradicts itself 143 times! I LOVE YOU bible, LOL (like I love you rasna, ad!) now that's some cooked up sh1t and god did not order the bible to be written. For a list of all contradictions check here. Bring this up and your missionary is going to cry for help.
6. The name of the game is about saving your pride and your point of view. Never give it up, provide straightforward and simple scientific reasoning and stress your missionary to respond with the same logical reasoning. He can’t do it on the next 5000 years, forget today and tomorrow. For example ask how can Noah load all 100 billion species of plants and animals in one ship (bible says it's a boat, damn!) at a time. First the whole "two of every animal male and female". How could that be possible, not only is it a pain to gather up EVERY animal, but two of each sex. What comes from this is how this is possible. How long would it take a group of 100 people today to do that? He was one man. Now let’s say that the animals just mystically all came on there own. How did he feed them? How did he know what animals were coming and what they ate? I read something about not being able to eat animal flesh back then so what would Noah do for the animals that ate flesh. Where did he get all this food from what happened if Noah missed some animals, they must be extinct now? Maybe some of the animals died upon the ark and now are gone completely. Did he bring every breed of every species? So he brought every type of every animal....wow he is good. The biggest, best ship today can’t even hold the weight that Noah’s ark must have had. It was a wooden ship carrying, who knows how much weight. All the supplies, the food for not only him and his family...but for the animals, and of course the creatures themselves. Look how much an elephant weighs...imagine there was two of them, and that just 1 creature. There are still many heavy weights, and also the different breeds of elephant. There have had to been more than just two. All in all that ship as described in the bible could not possibly hold that. Even today we could its difficult to make something that could do what Noah’s ark has done. This one story is enough to make your missionary pee hi pants. See this too, real cool.
7. Moses crossed the red sea? f*(k you; there is a difference between Red Sea and Reed Sea. The Reed Sea is a bed of marsh close the red sea. So what? Moses did tolerate the smell of the marsh, yeah right!
8. The biggest hurdle for a Missionary is when he has to question his faith. Make that happen and you score a double goal. Ask him things as to why Christian practice is declining and why Vatican is running out of money. He will talk gibberish.
9. Talk about Jesus’s wife! Hell yes, his love Mary Magdalene. Ask him what happened to the gospel of Mary Magdalene.
10. Priory if Sion, talk about it, home run.

The whole point is whatever you do just don't talk about your fucking personal problems or anything negative. About the country, disease, nothing! Any of these in his hands and this asshole will bank on it to bore you to sh1t.

Remember your right to freedom or speech and right to religion is in your constitutional amendment. Don't let some Vatican funded crap weasels to steal it. If you need help or want more answers to specific questions, comment here on the blog and I shall do my best to help you take that crap weasel missionary off you ass.

[Guest]

(http://www.hinduonnet.com/2007/11/26/sto...690600.htm)


<b>‘Conversion not for numbers’</b>A. Joseph Antony

Preacher to Pope Benedict XVI in Hyderabad
— PHOTO: Satish. H

Pearls of wisdom: Father Raniero Cantalamessa in Hyderabad.


HYDERABAD: “We only wish to propose and not impose Jesus Christ,” said Father Raniero Cantalamessa, preacher to Pope Benedict XVI and ideologue of the Roman Catholic Church. In the city at the initiative of Bishop Ernest Komanapalli for unity among various Christian denominations and the invitation of Archbishop Marampudi Joji, he spoke to The Hindu in the run-up to the Festival of Unity in the Holy Spirit at the Nizam College grounds on Saturday.

“We seek the right to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus and give people the freedom of choice to accept it, without physical or psychological violence,” he said. “Conversion is not for numbers, not for power or domination,” he clarified. <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->

The Church views India as a homeland of religion and not as missionary territory. “India deserves to know Jesus, for He is a gift for all mankind, not just for Christians,” he said, pointing out Christianity has existed here for nearly 2,000 years. Despite Mahatma Gandhi’s disapproval of Christians, he viewed Jesus as a friend, not as a threat, exemplified by the Father of the Nation’s whole-hearted acceptance of the Messiah’s Sermon on the Mount. <!--emo&:omg--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/omg.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='omg.gif' /><!--endemo-->

An admirer of Rabindranath Tagore’s poetry, much of which has been adapted to Christian hymns, he said India connected well with Europe, thanks to common roots found in Sanskrit’s links to Latin and Greek. <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+Nov 26 2007, 07:36 AM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ Nov 26 2007, 07:36 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->(http://www.hinduonnet.com/2007/11/26/sto...690600.htm)
<b>‘Conversion not for numbers’</b>A. Joseph Antony

Preacher to Pope Benedict XVI in Hyderabad
— PHOTO: Satish. H

Pearls of wisdom: Father Raniero Cantalamessa in Hyderabad.
<b>An admirer of Rabindranath Tagore’s poetry, much of which has been adapted to Christian hymns,</b>
(Thieves. Stop stealing from us.
We know their hymns are boring at best. We can't help that - the blame goes to their jehovallah who is uninspiring and downright scary. They should rather be singing/praying "please gawd, don't eat me". Not that it could save them if jehovallah were real. Fortunately, he's not)

<b>he said India connected well with Europe, thanks to common roots found in Sanskrit’s links to Latin and Greek.</b>  <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->
[right][snapback]75587[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christians are so obsessed with their Japhet/Oryans.
Anyways. When will someone tell the deluded christian masses that Latin and Greek had nothing to do with christianism. (It goes without saying that Samskritam never had nor ever will.)

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->the Father of the Nation’s whole-hearted acceptance of the Messiah’s Sermon on the Mount<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Ummm. Biblical scholars know for a fact that the sermon on the mount wasn't in the NT/babble until later on.
http://www.bandoli.no/whyerrors.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Among the later added parts, not in the original Gospel texts: The sermon on the Mount, The story of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:1-21) and the stories of Jesus' resurrection!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So when will these "fathers" stop lying to themselves and their sheep.

[dhu]

The immediate parallel to the "Sermon on the <i>Mount</i>" is the "Sermon on the <i>Plain</i>" found in Luke (which is of Roman extraction). Clearly, the intention is to sound a line to Jews to meekly cooperate with the Roman (Western) rule in Judea.

Atwill:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Onias:

The `Sermon on the Mount' is a spoof of Moses where `Jesus' gives the
exact platitudes the Caesars wished the Jews to follow. Of course it
relates to the Flavians.

Matt 10: 5-6 is just a routine Flavian falsification of history in
which the `Maccabees' promote `Jesus' to the `lost sheep'. In the
context of Matt 10 the `lost sheep' can only be the zealots that
rebelled from Rome. As I said, there is no coherent interpretive
framework for Matt 10 other than the coming war.

The Flavians used the Gospels to obfuscate the history and genealogy
of the real messianic family. The Romans first tried to `graft' onto
the Maccabees in fact, by having their surrogates the Herods breed
with them, but when that failed they produced the Gospels with the
various Simons, Matthews, Eleazars, Judas and Johns to try blur
everything as much as possible.

`Josephus', the self purported Maccabee, was part of the obvious
fraud. Simply carefully compare the names of the individuals he cites
as family members in Life 1, 1-8 with the `replacement apostles' in
Acts 1:23. It's clear enough.

Joe<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+Nov 25 2007, 06:08 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ Nov 25 2007, 06:08 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Christianity in India: Historical frauds
11/24/2007 12:07:41 PM   Murky
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Christians along with the British created and propagated the Aryan invasion theory which convinced the <b>black Tamils that they are an inferior community different from the fair Brahmins</b>. This propaganda has created a Dravidian movement in Tamil Nadu and created Tamil Terrorists like E.V. Ramasami Naicker also known as Periyar or EVR.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]75569[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->The TN's brahmin communities being "fair" while the rest of the Tamil population is "black" is another DMK lie.
Considering my own family, my sister is an exception. Likewise, fair is generally the exception in TN no matter what community you look at (but lighter complexions do crop up on occasion all over).
Sigh. Never mind. Too many lies to tackle, too little time.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Christianity is the result of a huge conspiracy and is the single most dangerous organization on earth that caused the death of half a billion humans in the name of religion. Islam pales in to insignificance as a terror organization in front of Christianity with only seventy five million human beheadings to its credit.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes christianism has a worse criminal record than islam (and has had some centuries more to commit them in). But no, the terrorism that is islam does not "pale into insignificance in front of christianity".
Islam's "75 million human beheadings" - can we count other kinds of murders committed by islam? An estimated 80 to 90 million in India (Koenraad Elst, Ali Sina and others have the refs) were brutally murdered by islam. That's <i>just</i> India. That's not even counting Persia, the Mediterranean, Arabia, Africa or the central parts of Asia.
There's no need to downplay islamist terrorism to express the extent of christoterrorism's brutality. Just going by plain historic facts, any person may admit it (christianism) is 1.5+ millennia full of the gravest horrors.

<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+Nov 25 2007, 06:08 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ Nov 25 2007, 06:08 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->11/24/2007 12:07:41 PM   Murky
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Kerala Paraya Christians moved in to Tamil Nadu to create fake histories because they found that Tamilians left in Tamil Nadu have low IQ or no IQ at all.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]75569[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Excuse me? <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> "Flattering" us in such a manner is not going to win our sympathy.
Murky is murky on TN. We're no stupider in our part of India than people in the rest of the country.
DMK's stupidity is in the minority and isn't at all representative; and the fact that the Kerala Paraya christians haven't had much success in duping us into sharing their sad religious fate proves that we are cleverer than their christian IQs gave us credit for.

I'm starting to think this general perception/misconception others seem to have - that the vocal terrorist groups (DMK, crypto christians in Tamil forums) in TN represent Tamils - is similar to what Bengali Hindus must be facing where everyone thinks every Bengali is a communist (when I suspect most Bengalis are still Hindu).

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This happened in Kerala, not in Kashmir!
11/24/2007 2:38:22 PM  HK
Shocking Images of Temple Vandalism in Kazhakoottam in Thiruvananthapuram, Police arrested a Fanatic <b>Christian</b> in connection with this atrocity
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->See the images there.
Shades of Korea.