From an Indian site:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I wonder if you have heard about Caesar's Messiah
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html
This is a book citing multiple parallels, *in the very same chronological sequence*, between the Roman campaign against the messianic Jews and the ministry of Jesus, and argues that the Roman Caesar Flavius Titus is the one on whom "Jesus" is built. The Romans "gave" this created messiah to the Jews to placate them, at the same time asking them to worship their own defeat and degradation at the hands of the Romans. The summary in the link calculates the probability that the sequence of events could occur just by chance, not by design. Do read the summary.
The author, Joseph Atwill, has debated many Christian scholars, and has caused many to ask themselves how they could be so blind as to not see the obvious.
For example, the Romans, in their boats, laughed and joked that "This is like fishing for men" when they had chased after fleeing rebels in the Sea of Galilee
and speared and killed any rebel found swimming in the water.
The same "fishing for men" then magically appears in Jesus' mouth (and at the Sea of Galilee).
There are multiple such events, and they occur in the *same order* in Roman history and in the Jesus story.
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In statistics, sequence has power. It would be almost impossible for such events to occur in the same sequenc in Roman history and the Jeses story.</b>
And then there is good motive for the Romans to build up a messiah for the Jews.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->November 15th, 2007 at 9:00 pm Said:
Exactly.
Jehovah/Allah/Jesus are all fake. People should read what these so-called Gods ave said in their books (read Old Testament for how Jesus says âIf your father
does not believe in me, kill him; if your mother does not believe in me, kill herâ. Lots of things which are nor exactly âturn the other cheekâ that missionaries
lure you in with.
All these âreligionsâ are clubs: Join me, and live, or else, die. Plus, if you join me, you have the God-given right (literally) to kill/rape/loot people who resist joining the club.
The only real reilgion is the one that emanated from India: Hindu Dharma/Jain Dharma/Sikh Dharma etc
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Patriot: I not all that up on âXtianâ/Titus stuffâ¦but it is in there,,maybe not in OT. I will post the link to the âif your father be against meâ stuff soon..I had posted the pdf set on here earlier, but the link is not opening now, and I cannot remember where I had posted it on this blog
Meanwhile this more than makes my point:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/
Also, have you looked at how the Jesus story was forced upon messianic Jews by Romans?
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/summary.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->great line of inquiry, and one which is far overdue for some Indians who see no problem âacceptingâ an exclusivist, dividing religion like xtianity, but increasingly see benign, uniting, indigenous religion as âa collection of mythsâ.
Somewhere down the line you need to look at Caesarâs Messiah, a book that lists how Jesus could not have existed, since his life story is so very closely based
on the story of Titus, the Roman Caesar Vespasianâs elder son. Titus was literally âsent by his fatherâ to subdue the messianic Jews. He started his campaign against them at the Lake (called Sea) of Gallillee, where Roman soldiers in boats hunted down fleeing Jewish rebels in the water. They would catch these men like fish, bring them on board, and kill them. They joked that this was like âfishing for menâ. âFishing for menâ at the sea of Gallillee is how Jesus begins his ministry. See the parallel?
There are many more parallels which occur in Titusâ and Jesusâ life in the same sequence, and the chance that thses parallels occur randomly, in the same
sequence, is next to 0.
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html
There is a âsummaryâ provided on the page linked above..<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Did you know that the Mother of Jesus is based on Mary of the House of Hyssop who had roasted and eaten her own child? Upon being asked to share this
meal, Mary had said, âCome eat what I have eaten, for my child shall become a by-word to the worldâ
This Mary of Hyssop is woven into the big lie of Jesus, that the Roman emperor Vespasian, through his son Titus, thrust upon the Messianic Jews.
You must know how Christians eat the âbody of Christâ in their churches, lining up to unwittingly enact a scene that was undescribably gruesome in its original
form.
Read Caesarâs Messiah, a book that lists how Jesus could not have existed, since his life story is so very closely based on the story of Titus, the Roman Caesar Vespasianâs elder son. Titus was literally âsent by his fatherâ to subdue the messianic Jews. He started his campaign against them at the Lake (called
Sea) of Gallillee, where Roman soldiers in boats hunted down fleeing Jewish rebels in the water. They would catch these men like fish, bring them on board, and kill them. They joked that this was like âfishing for menâ. âFishing for menâ at the sea of Gallillee is how Jesus begins his ministry. See the parallel?
There are many more parallels which occur in Titusâ and Jesusâ life in the same sequence, and the chance that thses parallels occur randomly, in the same
sequence, is next to 0.
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html
There is a âsummaryâ provided on the page linked above..<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->jesusneverexisted.com caesarsmessiah.com christianaggression.org
These show how Xtianity was thrust upon messianic jews by a Roman caesar, and how it has been spread through unspeakable torture, killing, lies, land-grabbing, and loot. Justice should be done in the case of that woman in the above article, if true. Hindu activists need to target and expose fraud missionaries and let people know how xtianity works ($$). Poor ignorant converts represent those who have been cheated out of their heritage and rich Hindu culture and are now unwitting followers of a cruel Roman joke on the messianic jews. Do not target converts. Overzealous hindu activists should be punished. HIndus, expose the lies of this Jesus story.
Do not target the poor converts. For the truth shall set you free, as the Romans had Jesus say. So find it out. The Romans, like any braggart, have littered
their joke (Gospels) with clues as to their real origin. Read
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Jai Shri Ram
I want to collect practical ways of doing the needful on these cults.
Christos base their cult on Jesus. To deal with missionaries etc on a mass scale, tell them that they are worshipping the Roman's joke.
"Caesar's Messiah" is a book that needs to be widely disseminated. Basically, it says: Romans had a problem with messianic Jews. So the Caesar Vespasian sent his son Flavius Titus to subdue them. He used incidents from his own campaigns against the Jews to build up a character that ne gave to the Jews as the Messiah (the Christ).Â
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/
Read thie summary of the book:
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/summary.html
"Since the events occur in Josephus in exactly the same order as their counterpart events in the Gospels, probability theory can then be used to assess the likelihood that this might be due simply to chance, or instead, that one source copied the other. The calculation shows that it is over 99.9999% certain that one account was written based upon the other.
This calculation takes a conservative approach that assumes that, once used, each of the eleven items could not be used again. The probability is thus calculated as 11 factorial, or 11x10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1 . This would equal 1 chance in 39,916,800. Expressed as a percentage, this means that it is 99.999997% certain
that one account influenced the other. In other words, the likelihood that these parallel sequences occurred by chance is less than 0.000003%--effectively zero.
(The alternative approach would assign truly random possibilities for each of the events, in which case the odds are calculated as eleven to the eleventh power, or one chance in 285,311,670,611, for an even more remote probability of 0.0000000003%.)"
Jesus is a lie. Worse, it is a joke built by Romans to get people to worship them. Mary was modelled after a cannibal who roasted her own son and ate him (during
one of the seiges the Romans laid). And people wanted a piece, she said, "Come, eat what I have eaten, for he shall become a by-word to the world". Remember how Christos eat the body of Jesus? The Romans, thru the Gospels they wrote, cast Mary as the mother of this messiah, and asked people to symbolically eat his
flesh, as if this was a big spiritual thing. Actually, they were making fun of the new "Christains"; it was a horrible private joke for the Romans.
Tell missionaries and other Jesuswallas that the are Titus worshippers. When they ask you what that is, direct them to this book.
Joe Atwill, the author, is the Ali Sina of Islam. Joe used to be Xtian, no longer.
You all know Ali Sina, the ex-muslim who saw the light and now calls mohammed a sex-pig.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
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This is one of the methods, not the only one. But please make sure every Hindu knows that Xtians worship a man called Titus, who has played this "Jesus" joke on them. Titus said "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". Well, the truth they talk about is this: that all this Jesus business is one big Roman joke to get messianic Jews to worship them, and this truth can be seen almost too clearly in the Gospels that the Romans put together, if you read them in parallel wih Roman history of the age, which is what Joe Atwill did.
Joe has debated many Christo scholars, and the Church is doing its best to counter him.
We need to spread the good word.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Jai Shri Ram
9 out of 10 times an idiot parrot Christo comes and tells Hindus how evil Hindu Dharma is (and how great Xtianity is), the Hindu does not know how to respond.
He starts defending his own Dharma. "No, no, see, brother, you have misunderstood. See, Ram is...Ganesh is...etc etc." The Christo goes on making fun of the poor Hindu, there is no shortage of questions the Christo parrots can ask about our deva-devataa, and the Hindu is dragged deeper into an abyss of
defensiveness.
All this breaks my heart.
Why not right away tell the Christo parrot how fake Xtianity is? Direct him to the sites linked in the post above (or in my signature line), and also to readly accessible You Tube videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvDOtpsmx...re=related
There are many videos on that site which point out the fakeness of Jejjus and his cult.
There are lots of books showing that jijjus was a myth. (Though the book linked in my signature, Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus" is the most scientific, and gives us the motives behind the myth and spells out the parallels between the myth and real-lihe events in the life of the Caesar bacK then). Anyway, the very fact that jesus is a myth is missed by the Hindu.
http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/104-739970...ords=jesus+myth
The big point is not to win arguments, but to make the Christo go crying to his Converted Church Father and ask for clarification. Believe me, there is no clarification. The Father will tell him to have "faith". And that is fine, Let's see how much faith the parrot has.
Tell the Christos about how "true" their jijjusbhai is.
Finally, the Christo is going to say, "But your Krishna etc are myths also"
At this point, say two things:
1. "If you think they are myths, fine. Do not believe in Krishna. But realize that Jesus is a myth too. Realize that HIndus don't force people to believe in
things, unlike your Christian people".
2. "Despite the destruction of Hindu culture from India (by the Muslim invaders and rulers), we are finding out more and more evidence for Krishna (eg Dwarka) and Ram (eg Setu). If you still don't believe, that is fine. But just remember never to force beliefs on anyone. No more Christian proselytizing."
If a Christo (or sulla) tries to defame my Dharma in front of me, I can counter him very well with words that will burn deep into him, and will cause him to question his faith, and then become agnostic. However, not every Hindu has enough knowledge about Christian and Sulla cults. So I have written a "How-To" kind of post keeping them in mind.
Right now the average Hindu has no weapons when Christos tell him lies.. Let the Hindu have weapons to counter Christo Lies.
Jai Bajrang Bali
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Sanatana Dharma is religion.
Cults like Islam and Christianity are murder-clubs.
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html
http://www.faithfreedom.org/<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Video of the Caesar's Messiah author and his collaborator: Joe Atwill and John Hudson interviews. They explain how Jesus and the Jesus cult was a Roman
creation (which is still being used today for its original intended use: crowd control and empire building)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...4425171396
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...0483454304
Who was Jesus? Simply a Roman witticism..Romans used the name "Mary"for all Messiah followers. (Mary was a cannibal who roasted and ate her son. Cannibal Mary of the House of Hyssop)..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...6876384283
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Sanatana Dharma is religion.
Cults like Islam and Christianity are murder-clubs.
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/main.html
http://www.faithfreedom.org/<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->