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Naresh · 09-09-2008, 04:30 PM

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09-10-2008, 12:51 AM

QUOTEZardari to visit China, negotiate nuclear deal 
Pioneer.com
Muhammad Najeeb | Islamabad
Asif Ali Zardari, the President-elect of Pakistan, will visit China next week to negotiate a nuclear deal similar to the one between India and the US, an official said on Monday. "Pakistan is already in touch with China for the nuclear deal to meet its energy crisis and the talks would start during Zardari's visit," an official said on condition of anonymity.Â

Zardari, who was elected President on Saturday, will be sworn in on Tuesday and has already announced that his first foreign visit will be to China. The official said that under the proposed deal, China will supply nuclear material to Pakistan to meet its energy crisis. "This has nothing to do with the US-India deal but that has certainly provided us a way out to meet our energy crisis," he said.

For the last many years, Pakistan has failed to meet its growing energy needs and the situation has worsened since November 2007, with the country facing massive power cuts and adopting summer time to benefit the most from daylight and save energy.

"Of course, it will take time to finalise the deal after going through its details but the initial talks would start during Zardari's visit and a memorandum of understanding (MoU) may be signed for reaching an agreement," said the official.

Zardari's visit will coincide with the closing ceremony of the Paralympic Games on September 17.
"Zardari will participate in the closing ceremony as well," said the official.

Back to Bhutto-China relationship. Now it is difficult to figure out where US stands.
Is it unkle told them to go ahead, get made in China for a while just to do equal-equal.

Naresh · (This post was last modified: 09-10-2008, 02:47 AM by Naresh.)

QUOTE(Mudy @ Sep 10 2008, 12:51 AM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEZardari to visit China, negotiate nuclear deal 

Back to Bhutto-China relationship. Now it is difficult to figure out where US stands.
Is it unkle told them to go ahead, get made in China for a while just to do equal-equal.
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Mudy Ji :

I trust you have been reading the various Articles in respect of Pakistanâs Much Vaunted Economic Miracle.

As such where do you think Pakistan will find âPhorin Ekschangeâ to pay for the Nuclear Reactors as also the âPheulâ?

I believe that the India China Annual Trade is approaching the US Dollars Fifty Billion Mark and it is very Heavily in China's Favour - possibly US Dollars 20 Billion Annually. Do you think China is going to go against its own interests?

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09-10-2008, 04:05 AM

QUOTEAs such where do you think Pakistan will find âPhorin Ekschangeâ to pay for the Nuclear Reactors as also the âPheulâ?
Let me use my Chini thought process (life long experience). Chini bhai want weaker India with less Indians. To keep Indian busy with fundoos from west and scare them with dud in Paki hand or may be one miniature for testing purpose in India, some critical town. Bog down Indian in useless waste and they can spend time to strengthen themselves and of course when India misbehaves or leadership behaves as they did in 1962, march straight inside India. WB will throw red carpet in front to Han-Ming-Hakka forces and slice India straight down Bay of Bengal. I don't think Chini will do in next five years and after 20 years it will be impossible to do, so they have very little window.
Bhutto love fest in China should not be taken lightly. You never know whether he will be used as Xerox Khan for BD.
Now we have to monitor his every single visit and people visiting him from Mullah desh.
Never underestimates your enemy, always remember who is your enemy.

Naresh · 09-11-2008, 04:02 AM

[center][u]Securitisation of $700m remittances planned[[/center]

QUOTEKARACHI, Sept 9 : The government has planned securitisation of $700 million remittances being sent by overseas Pakistanis to ease pressure on the rupee.

Sources said the plan was being finalised and a few top foreign banks were engaged, which means early encashment of future receivables.

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09-11-2008, 07:13 AM

Why's Zaradari elated about J & K? Mufti Mehbooba hauling veg and fruits across LoC?

09-11-2008, 10:42 AM

QUOTEBush authorizes commando raids in Pakistan: report WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush secretly approved orders in July that for the first time allow U.S. special forces to carry out ground assaults inside Pakistan without the approval of the Pakistani government, The New York Times reported on Thursday.

The new orders reflect concern about safe havens for Al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan, as well as an American view that Pakistan lacks the will and ability to combat militants, the paper said.

"The situation in the tribal areas is not tolerable," said a senior U.S. official who spoke to the Times on condition of anonymity. "We have to be more assertive. Orders have been issued."
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09-11-2008, 10:44 AM

QUOTEMufti Mehbooba hauling veg and fruits across LoC? 
I really want them to go to POK and try to sell Veg and fruits, I want to see how much money they will make. Till now they are robbing rest of India, they should get taste of POK botherhood.
For this we need a strong leader who can call buff.

ravish · 09-11-2008, 02:23 PM

The International Herald Tribune reports:-
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Bush said to give orders allowing raids in Pakistan
By Eric Schmitt and Mark Mazzetti

Thursday, September 11, 2008
WASHINGTON: President George W. Bush secretly approved orders in July that for the first time allow American Special Operations forces to carry out ground assaults inside Pakistan without the prior approval of the Pakistani government, according to senior American officials.

The classified orders signal a watershed for the Bush administration after nearly seven years of trying to work with Pakistan to combat the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and after months of high-level stalemate about how to challenge the militants' increasingly secure base in Pakistan's tribal areas.

American officials say that they will notify Pakistan when they conduct limited ground attacks like the Special Operations raid last Wednesday in a Pakistani village near the Afghanistan border, but that they will not ask for its permission.

"The situation in the tribal areas is not tolerable," said a senior American official who, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on condition of anonymity because of the delicate nature of the missions. "We have to be more assertive. Orders have been issued."

The new orders reflect concern about safe havens for Al Qaeda and the Taliban inside Pakistan, as well as an American view that Pakistan lacks the will and ability to combat militants. They also illustrate lingering distrust of the Pakistani military and intelligence agencies and a belief that some American operations had been compromised once Pakistanis were advised of the details.

The Central Intelligence Agency has for several years fired missiles at militants inside Pakistan from remotely piloted Predator aircraft. But the new orders for the military's Special Operations forces relax firm restrictions on conducting raids on the soil of an important ally without its permission.

Pakistan's top army officer said Wednesday that his forces would not tolerate American incursions like the one that took place last week and that the army would defend the country's sovereignty "at all costs."

It was unclear precisely what legal authorities the United States has invoked to conduct even limited ground raids in a friendly country. A second senior American official said that the Pakistani government had privately assented to the general concept of limited ground assaults by Special Operations forces against significant militant targets, but that it did not approve each mission.

The official did not say which members of the government gave their approval.

Any new ground operations in Pakistan raise the prospect of American forces being killed or captured in the restive tribal areas Â and a propaganda coup for Al Qaeda. Last week's raid also presents a major test for Pakistan's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, who supports more aggressive action by his army against the militants but cannot risk being viewed as an American lap dog, as was his predecessor, Pervez Musharraf.

The new orders were issued after months of debate inside the Bush administration about whether to authorize a ground campaign inside Pakistan. The debate, first reported by The New York Times in late June, at times pitted some officials at the State Department against parts of the Pentagon that advocated aggressive action against Qaeda and Taliban targets inside the tribal areas.

Details about last week's commando operation have emerged that indicate the mission was more intrusive than what had previously been known.

According to two American officials briefed on the raid, it involved more than two dozen members of the Navy Seals who spent several hours on the ground and killed about two dozen suspected Qaeda fighters in what now appears to have been a planned attack against militants who had been conducting attacks against an American forward operating base across the border in Afghanistan.

Supported by an AC-130 gunship, the Special Operations forces were whisked away by helicopters after completing the mission.

Although the senior American official who provided the most detailed description of the new presidential order would discuss it only on condition of anonymity, his account was corroborated by three other senior American officials from several government agencies, all of whom made clear that they support the more aggressive approach.

Pakistan's government has asserted that last week's raid achieved little except killing civilians and stoking anti-Americanism in the tribal areas.

"Unilateral action by the American forces does not help the war against terror because it only enrages public opinion," said Husain Haqqani, Pakistan's ambassador to Washington, during a speech on Friday. "In this particular incident, nothing was gained by the action of the troops."

As an alternative to American ground operations, some Pakistani officials have made clear that they prefer the CIA's Predator aircraft, operating from the skies, as a method of killing Qaeda operatives. The CIA for the most part has coordinated with Pakistan's government before and after it launches missiles from the drone. On Monday, a Predator strike in North Waziristan killed several Arab Qaeda operatives.

A new American command structure was put in place this year to better coordinate missions by the CIA and members of the Pentagon's Joint Special Operations Command, made up of the Army's Delta Force and the Navy Seals.

The move was intended to address frustration on the ground about different agencies operating under different marching orders. Under the arrangement, a senior CIA official based at Bagram air base in Afghanistan was put in charge of coordinating CIA and military activities in the border region.

Spokesmen for the White House, Defense Department and CIA declined to comment on Wednesday about the new orders. Some senior congressional officials have received briefings on the new authorities. A spokeswoman for Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who leads the Armed Services Committee, declined to comment.

American commanders in Afghanistan have complained bitterly that militants use sanctuaries in Pakistan to attack American troops in Afghanistan.

"I'm not convinced we're winning it in Afghanistan," Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the House Armed Services Committee on Wednesday. "I am convinced we can."

Toward that goal, Mullen said he had ordered a comprehensive military strategy to address the border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The commando raid last week and an increasing number of recent missile strikes are part of a more aggressive overall American campaign in the border region aimed at intensifying attacks on Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the waning months of the Bush administration, with less than two months to go before November elections.

State Department officials, as well as some within the National Security Council, have expressed concern about any Special Operations missions that could be carried out without the approval of the American ambassador in Islamabad.

The months-long delay in approving ground missions created intense frustration inside the military's Special Operations community, which believed that the Bush administration was holding back as the Qaeda safe haven inside Pakistan became more secure for militants.

The stepped-up campaign inside Pakistan comes at a time when American-Pakistani relations have been fraying, and when anger is increasing within American intelligence agencies about ties between Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, known as the ISI, and militants in the tribal areas.

Analysts at the CIA and other American spy and security agencies believe not only that the bombing of India's embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, in July by militants was aided by ISI operatives, but also that the highest levels of Pakistan's security apparatus Â including the army chief, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani Â had knowledge of the plot.

"It's very difficult to imagine he was not aware," a senior American official said of Kayani.

American intelligence agencies have said that senior Pakistani national security officials favor the use of militant groups to preserve Pakistan's influence in the region, as a hedge against India and Afghanistan.

In fact, some American intelligence analysts believe that ISI operatives did not mind when their role in the July bombing in Kabul became known. "They didn't cover their tracks very well," a senior Defense Department official said, "and I think the embassy bombing was the ISI drawing a line in the sand."

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This is a significant development . This is perhaps for the first time since the creation of Pakistan that the USA has taken such a harse step against that country.
In the past they have imposed bans and sanctions, whether it is after Indo-Pak War or Nuclear test, the action had always been both against India and Pakistan. This is the first time that USA has acted against Pakistan alone.
Nareshji may like to give his expert views on this momentous development.

09-12-2008, 01:24 AM

Pakistan kills 100 as tension with U.S. growsQUOTEISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani forces killed up to 100 al Qaeda-linked militants in fierce clashes near the Afghan border on Thursday, a security official said, as tensions grew with the United States over how to tackle militancy.

An intensifying insurgency in Afghanistan has piled pressure on Pakistan to go after militants operating from sanctuaries in remote enclaves on its side of the border. It has also led to a sharp increase in U.S. strikes on militants in Pakistan.
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ramana · 09-12-2008, 02:32 AM

QUOTEThis is a significant development . This is perhaps for the first time since the creation of Pakistan that the USA has taken such a harse step against that country.
In the past they have imposed bans and sanctions, whether it is after Indo-Pak War or Nuclear test, the action had always been both against India and Pakistan. This is the first time that USA has acted against Pakistan alone.
Nareshji may like to give his expert views on this momentous development.


All the events you menion are events where India too was involved. And US had to pretend to be = = to save TSP H&D. Here they are taking it in their shorts in Afghanistan and in US election campai(g)n with Obama aasking difficult questions and radios palying the wanted dead or alive speech on and on. So some action has to be taken even if its pin prick.

09-12-2008, 04:18 AM

ramana,
US forces are coming in and out of Pakistan since Bhutto days, without permission, Why people are surprised, this is not first time not a last time?
Surprise will be when US raid Islamabad Army head quater. That raid we can confirm only if there is no fire, if there is a fire, it means Army had information.

ravish · 09-12-2008, 03:49 PM

The report of another raid by the US forces into Pakistan on 12th September 08 resulting in the death of another 12 persons has just been reported by the world electronic media. It is a day after the so called very strongly worded warning from the Pakistan civilian and military leaders that Pakistan will resist and hit back any future violation of its sovereignty.
Quite a few hours have passed and so far none of the Pakistani missiles have fallen on any US asset in the region. This indicates that the Pakistani threat was a fictitious one. In fact, they should understand their own limitations and try to actually join the fight against terrorism in real terms. So far, the Pakistan Government have only been promising action against the terrorists and trying to bluff the United States and others. In fact, they have been directly involved in carrying out subversive activities against Indian assets both within India and outside, notably in Afghanistan.

In the developing situation , one thing is very clear from the Indian point of view. The ISI by its own action has ensured that the heat of the US is today turned on against its one time close friend and associate Pakistan. Let us hope very soon a few cruise missiles and a few sorties of B-52s are flown on combat mission over Pakistan from Diego Garcia . This would ensure far less serial bombing in India cities and less of terrorist activities in J & K.

Naresh · 09-12-2008, 10:20 PM

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Naresh · 09-13-2008, 03:19 AM

[center]Pak army ordered to hit back US forces[/center]

The Pakistani Army has been given orders to retaliate against any unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the country.

Army Spokesman Maj Gen Athar Abbas confirmed the orders in a brief interview with Geo News on late Thursday night.

The decision was made on the first day of the two-day meeting of Pakistan's top military commanders to discuss the US coalition's ground and air assault in Waziristan region which killed dozens of civilians.

Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani chaired the meeting which began in Rawalpindi on Thursday at the Army General Headquarters.

Pakistan's military commanders expressed their determination to defend the country's borders without allowing any external forces to conduct operations inside the tribal belt bordering Afghanistan, sources said.

A senior official said the military commanders also discussed the implications of the American attacks inside Pakistan and took stock of the public feeling.

"In his statement, Genral Kayani has represented the feeling of the entire nation, as random attacks inside Pakistan have angered each and every Pakistani," he said.

Earlier on Wednesday, Kayani rebuffed the American policy of including Pakistani territory in their operations against the al-Qaeda and Taliban linked militants hiding in the areas near Afghan border.

Also, Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani noted that Kayani's remarks on country's defense were true reflection of the government policy.

The army decision followed bloody incursions by the US ground troops into tribal belt as well as a string of missile strikes by CIA-operated drone aircraft.

The reaction also comes after US President George W. Bush approved US military raids on militants inside Pakistan without Islamabad's agreement.

The development also brought into the open the increasing mistrust between the Americans and the Pakistanis over how to handle the Taliban and al-Qaeda linked militants in Pakistan's tribal areas.

Some political expert predict the break out of an all-out war between the United States troops and Pakistani army following the Bush administration's approval of ground and air assaults inside the country.

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09-13-2008, 04:18 AM

QUOTEPak army ordered to hit back US forces

Slow news day, joke of slow Friday.

09-13-2008, 07:16 AM

According to Fox scroll, US is hammering Al-Badr in NW.

Naresh · 09-14-2008, 05:13 AM

The bear awakens - Dr Farrukh Saleem

QUOTEPostscript : Pakistan's foreign policy establishment was also shocked when the Indian army announced the completion of a road by virtue of which Afghanistan's Nimroz province now stands connected to the Iranian free-trade port of Charbahar. Landlocked Afghanistan will no longer be dependent on Pakistan.

The writer is an Islamabad-based freelance columnist. Email: farrukh15@hotmail.com

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**acharya** · 09-14-2008, 11:41 AM

QUOTE(Naresh @ Sep 5 2008, 11:17 AM)1. No Defence Day celebrations due to unstable law and order

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTELAHORE : Due to the countryâs unstable law and order situation, this yearâs Defence Day is not being celebrated in the traditional manner with no military parade, exhibition or air show, today (Saturday) or tomorrow.

Nuking Mecca and Madina will not work to deter irrationality in Pakistan.

Pakistanis posit their Islam in the Indian context. At its core - the Pakistani consider Islam a tool to modernize "Hinduism". Per the Pakistani conception - "Hinduism" as it stands today has deviated considerably from the original principles they feel were laid out in Sanatan Dharma.

Unlike Indians who view "dharmic" philosophy as one out of *many* streams of thought embedded into the "Hindu" world view - the Pakistanis see Sanatan Dharma as a kind of original/pure "Hinduism". This is a very very peculiar interpretation of the greater body of Hindu thought and indeed it lacks the sophistication of the approach laid out in various commentaries but ultimately the Pakistanis cling to this view as dearly as some Hindus cling to the last of the Upanisads.

The Pakistanis see Islam as a vehicle to reform and remove the "perversions" introduced by a departure from Dharmic norms. In particular the Pakistanis want to correct the following

1) the ossification of society due to caste and ethnicity based prejudice and

2) the subjugation of the masses through the use of religious practices.

This is why prominent Pakistanis proudly cling to their Indian cultural affiliation while describing their conversion as a process of "coming into the Light" ... of seeing the "noor e la illah".

The Pakistanis think of themselves as latter day Pandavas whose only claim to legitimacy lay in an appeal to "Dharmic" principles.

The Pakistani proponents of Islam see themselves as the rightful heirs to the spiritual leadership of India and view any dissidence or diversion from their conception of things as a challenge to their unquestionable claim of leadership.

A threat to attack Mecca and Madina (apart from threatening icons close to the hearts of millions of innocent Indian Muslims)- will have little or no effect in deterring Pakistan. At most it will be seen as a strengthening the Pakistani claim of fighting a implacable foe that threatens the entire fabric of Islam.

The Pakistanis see themselves as the leading lights of Islam. In their view - if by virtue of their actions - Mecca and Madina are "purified" - then that is a *good* thing. They want to be the unchallenged leaders of the Muslim world.


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Naresh · 09-14-2008, 03:59 PM

GHQ had strongly opposed handing over Pakistanis to US

Ex-CGS says Musharraf allowed US drones despite top commandersâ opposition

ISLAMABAD : Lt Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz, who served as the Chief of General Staff (CGS) from Oct 2001 to Dec 2003, revealed that the Army as an institution was in complete dark about what was going on between Washington and Islamabad on the war on terror and the GHQ and top Army commanders had strongly opposed the handing over of Pakistanis to the US, but Musharraf did so on his own.

Shahid Aziz confirmed that though the office of the CGS in the GHQ was considered to be the nerve centre in the Army, the GHQ did not know most of the controversial things Musharraf did, including the handing over of Pakistani nationals to the Americans.

All attempts to get an official version of the Pakistan Army through the director general of the ISPR could not succeed until the filing of this report.

The retired general told The News on Saturday that while the Pakistan Army used to catch the targeted foreigners and locals and handed them over to the ISI for interrogation, they were handed over to the Americans without the knowledge of the Army.

The Army, he said, had made it clear that no Pakistani would be delivered to the US authorities while the problematic Arabs would be deported to their respective countries.

"We did not know for a long time that the Pakistani nationals were being handed over to the Americans by the ISI," he said, adding that it caused a lot of resentment in the top echelons of the Pakistan Army when they found this was happening. He said that Musharraf had got the ISI engaged to collaborate with the American CIA without the knowledge of the rest of Pakistan Army.

Musharraf, during his rule, had also allowed the US drones to use the Pakistani airspace for intelligence sharing besides permitting the American intelligence agencies, the CIA and the FBI, to recruit their agents in the tribal belt of Pakistan, he said.

Shahid Aziz disclosed that the drones were permitted to use the country's airspace despite strong opposition from the GHQ, but still General Musharraf granted this permission.

Interestingly, the same drones have carried out most of the US-led coalition strikes inside Pakistan, killing hundreds of people, including innocent women and children. He disclosed that during his tenure, there had been no agreement between the Pakistan Army and Washington on the war on terror, rather Musharraf was directly dealing with the Americans.

Shahid Aziz, who enjoyed an exceptional reputation in the Army, disclosed that when initially consulted after 9/11, the top commanders had decided that the Pakistan Army would remain out of the conflict.

However, later because of compromises by Musharraf, the Army was dragged in and the situation was such that one hand of the Pakistan Army did not know what the other hand was assigned or doing.

Musharraf had compartmentalised the Army to such an extent that even the CGS would not know many things directly assigned by the Army chief to other departments.

Shahid Aziz, who also served as the chairman NAB but resigned early last year when asked to close the special NAB cell probing corruption cases against Benazir Bhutto and Asif Ali Zardari, explained that since the former Army chief was also in the government, the Army as an institution was not consulted on many things that were being agreed between Islamabad and Washington.

After 9/11, he said, the Army was told that Washington did not want foreigners like Arabs, Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc in the tribal areas of Pakistan.

When the issue was discussed in the GHQ, he said, the Army decided to ensure that these foreigners, most of them had settled in Pakistan, were forced to remain quiet.

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