Twirp : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Republic Pakistan 2

Shambhu · 09-18-2008, 09:48 PM

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Naresh · 09-18-2008, 11:46 PM

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Sep 18 2008, 04:38 PM)have ISI folks not yet learnt to xerox the dollar notes like INR?
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Bodhi Ji :

No Siree! Not Yet!!

Meantime back at the Ranch :

Pakistan's forex reserves drop to $8.91 bln

QUOTEKARACHI, Sept 18 (Reuters) - Pakistan's foreign reserves fell $190 million to $8.91 billion in the week that ended on Sept. 13, from $9.10 in the previous week, the central bank said on Thursday.

Pakistan's central bank, the State Bank of Pakistan, said its own reserves fell to $5.52 billion from $5.72 billion previously, while those held by commercial banks rose marginally to $3.39 from $3.38 billion.

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Naresh · (This post was last modified: 09-19-2008, 02:36 PM by Naresh.)

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The United States has us in a vice and we are not even yelping. A dog in our position would yelp. Even a goat would bleat. But the Islamic Republic, with the sixth or seventh largest army in the world, possessor of umpteen nuclear bombs, is smitten by nameless fears and, consequently, reduced to the silence of the lambs.

The Yanks may not be triumphant in Afghanistan but, by God, they feel triumphant when they have to deal with our officials who have turned prostration into a superior art form. The Yanks have us in a double whammy. Our army, now more at home running defence housing authorities than in doing anything remotely connected with warfare, has been prodded and pushed into carrying out the most sustained operation yet undertaken in the tribal areas, the focus of this operation the Bajaur agency. Tens of thousands of people have been displaced from their homes, the 'collateral' baggage of a blind and indiscriminate war.

Yet even as the Pakistan army, helpless against American pressure, is carrying out this operation---very much in line with an American-dictated agenda---the Americans have taken to carrying out missile strikes from Predator drones against targets in the tribal areas. Osama bin Laden may be the leading symbol of terror for the US. But for the embattled people of FATA (Federally Administered Tribal Areas) the leading symbol of terror is the Predator drone and the Hellfire missiles streaming from its side.

This is a strange war we are caught in. The US is losing in Afghanistan and the Taliban, as all the evidence suggests, are getting stronger by the day. What happened to the Soviet army in the 1980s is what is happening to the US military 20 odd years later. Yet instead of doing a rethink about how it is fighting its Afghan war, the US is taking its anger out on Pakistan. Two hundred years of history have made the Afghans into a tough target. Our birth 61 years ago and our subsequent history have condemned us to be a soft target. Perhaps it is safe to predict that the more the going gets tough for the Americans in Afghanistan, the more they will take their ire out on Pakistan.

Amidst this growing chaos some comic relief is provided---although the humour involved is bitter and grim---by steady references to our sovereignty and the imperatives of seeing that it is not violated. Even as the Yanks go about violating what remains of our sovereignty, Pakistani officials, from the prime minister downwards, say that sovereignty will be defended at all costs, a chant that no citizen of Pakistan, however ill-informed, no longer believes.

Pity the army, caught on the horns of a dilemma: not in a position to really defy the US---the army since its first defence treaty with the US in the early 1950s not genetically programmed to hoe an independent line---but also aware of growing public anger at US aggression in FATA. So in an attempt to resolve this dilemma it settles on a half-measure: a statement by the army chief, endorsed by the corps commanders, that US operations will not be allowed this side of the border.

By which, presumably, the top brass means that the US has no authorization to carry out ground assaults this side of the Durand Line, like the helicopter assault near Angoor Adda early September. A nation demoralized and confused because of lack of leadership and near-total silence on the part of the PPP government, is reduced to a position where it is ready to be comforted by any crumbs of comfort thrown its way. So General Ashfaq Kayani's statement is hailed as an act of near-Churchillian defiance.

Two days after this act of defiance, the US carries out another missile strike in Waziristan. Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman US Joint Chiefs of Staff, arrives in Islamabad on a hurried visit, presumably to assuage ruffled Pakistani feathers. A statement by the US embassy has him reiterating the US commitment to "respect" Pakistan's sovereignty. A few hours after his departure from Islamabad there is another missile strike on a house in South Waziristan.

Constant provider of comic relief is Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani who to the mantra of no one being allowed to violate Pakistani sovereignty brings in a rather different-sounding variation: that Pakistan is in no position to fight the US. Where did this brainwave come from? Who's talking of fighting? Makhdoom Yusuf Raza Gilani as the articulator of the national interest is not the least of the wonders happening to emerge on the national scene these days.

Defiance and resistance can take many forms. Even in our diminished position we still have some cards up our sleeve. We can tell the Americans that if missile attacks on FATA continue the Pakistan army will cease its current operations in that area. This will be a real threat because with the Americans over-extended in Afghanistan sending US troops into FATA is easier said than done.

American and NATO supplies move through Pakistan. We have the option of cutting this umbilical cord. But this will need heart and spirit and at the moment the Pakistani leadership has neither.

Amidst all these turbulent events anyone would have expected President Asif Zardari to stay at home. But only a few days after his election he is off on a "private visit" to Dubai, where he has a home, and from there to London. Perhaps to justify his UK trip he holds talks with Prime Minister Gordon Brown whom no one takes seriously any more in the UK but whose intercession President Zardari seeks to ask the US not to violate that old chestnut: Pakistan's sovereignty.

President Zardari says (in answer to a question from media people) that the UK understands the subcontinent better than any other country, so it is in a better position to convey Pakistani concerns to the outside world. This is breathtaking stuff but it sheds a lurid if sad light on the sum of leadership currently available in Pakistan.

About Garibaldi, hero of Italian unity, I was reading the other day that shortly before his death, when all his triumphs were behind him, he wrote, "It was a very different Italy which I spent my life dreaming of, not the impoverished and humiliated country which we now see ruled by the dregs of the nation."

"Impoverished and humiliated countryâ¦" and then "â¦ruled by the dregs of the nation": says it all, doesn't it? For lack of leadership and no other reason Pakistan is demoralized, a nation psychologically drained and on its way to being psychologically traumatized.

Pervez Musharraf was an American pawn and satellite, selling Pakistan cheaply in Sep 2001 when the US, bent on vengeance, had decided to attack Afghanistan. As long as he remained a potent satellite, ready and able to deliver what the Americans wanted, he was feted and lionised by Washington. When he became a stricken figure, his weakening starting---and let us never forget this---by the lawyers' movement, Washington felt persuaded to shuffle the Pakistani deck to make way for a fresh leadership better able to serve American interests.

The people of Pakistan thought they were voting for change on Feb 18. How could they have known they were voting for an illusion? Liberation has not come Pakistan's way. It has been given a fresh set of chains which binds it more strongly than ever to America's war chariot---the same chariot Musharraf clambered aboard in 2001, to sell Pakistan cheaply and ensure his own survival in power.

This war will be the death of us for we are becoming its cannon fodder. If only the Taliban in Afghanistan were to fade away all would be well with us. But with their resistance growing stronger by the day---and for the Afghans this is as much a struggle against foreign occupation as their 'jihad' in the 1980s was a struggle against Soviet occupation---the US will force Pakistan and its army and air force more and more into this war, in order to lighten the burden of conflict for the US.

American financial markets are in turmoil. Russia, reversing the decline of the Yeltsin years, is beginning to reassert itself as a world power. China continues its upward climb. Yet we remain tied to the old forms, "ruled by the dregs of the nation", too psychologically broken to see the outlines of the new world order emerging in the distance.

Email:chakwal@comsats.net.pk

My Query : Why is Ayaz Amir Esq. comparing the Pakistani People with Dogs and Goats? Why is he not comparing Pakistani People to Lions and Tigers?

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09-19-2008, 11:25 PM

Pakistan heading for default.

Naresh · 09-20-2008, 04:01 AM

[center]Know thine enemy[/center]

QUOTEWhile the press is shrieking about the protection of Pakistan's sovereignty from the Americans not a word is spoken of this same sovereignty being trampled upon daily by hitherto unknown persons like Baitullah Mehsud who have turned peaceful areas such as Bajaur and Swat into killing fields, and has led to a migration of 400,000 people from Bajaur alone. They have become refugees overnight, adding to their already impoverished state.

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09-20-2008, 09:45 PM

Explosion at Pakistan Marriott hotel kills 40 QUOTEISLAMABAD, Pakistan - A massive truck bomb devastated the heavily guarded Marriott Hotel in Pakistan's capital Saturday, killing at least 40 people and wounding at least 100. Officials feared there were dozens more dead inside the burning building.

The Marriott has been a favorite place for foreigners as well as Pakistani politicians and business people to stay and socialize in Islamabad despite repeated militant attacks.

Naresh · 09-21-2008, 03:29 AM

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09-21-2008, 03:40 AM

Looks like border revenge. Pretty big blast.

Naresh · (This post was last modified: 09-21-2008, 04:33 PM by Naresh.)

Pak expects up to $5 billion assistance from FOP forum

QUOTEISLAMABAD : Pakistan expects to get commitments of an additional assistance up to $5 billion in order to meet yawning financing gap for the current fiscal year during the upcoming Friends of Pakistan initiative, which will be held on September 26 at New York on the sideline of UN General Assembly session.

âThere is an initial estimate that Pakistan can meet its financing requirements by obtaining $3 to $5 billion commitments from Friends of Pakistan (FOP) forum,â a senior official at Finance Ministry told The News here on Saturday when he was asked about expectation of Islamabad from this upcoming forum in terms of financing availability.

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09-21-2008, 09:39 PM

QUOTELooks like border revenge. Pretty big blast.

Mudyji, if you're suggesting that India had something to do with this blast, then I gotta tell you, I don't think so.

We are so paralyzed by the attacks on Indian soil, couple with the fact that the govt would rather preserve the vote bank rather than secure the country. I don't think the current govt is capable of such forward actions.

We are still stuck on Indo-Pak bhaichara. People might argue that this is to present a small target as possible so we turn the pakis jehadis on themselves. But, with mounting casualties, can we really say this is the best way to handle the situation? Surely there are ways to be proactive in curbing terror attacks on India and still present a small threat to achieve the above objective...

How long till the truck bomb technique gets transferred to India?

Naresh · 09-21-2008, 11:50 PM

thayilv Ji :

To secure India from the further Attacks of the Pakistani-Bangladeshi Islamic Jehadi Terrorists I would suggest India follow the following course of Action until Pakistani-Bangladeshi Islamic Jehadi Terrorists Attacks have ceased in India :

1. No Pakistanis or Bangladeshi Cricketers, Actors, Singer or any other Artists to be allowed entry into India.

2. India not to tour Pakistan or Bangladesh

3. No Pakistani or Bangladeshi Cricket or any other sport Teams to be allowed to play in India

4. No Pakistani or Bangladeshis to be issued âIndia Visitâ Visas on any condition

5. Pakistan and Bangladesh to âReturnâ all Indian Terrorists, Gangsters or other Criminals back to the Indian Government Law Authorities.

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**Hauma Hamiddha** · 09-22-2008, 12:32 AM

QUOTELooks like border revenge. Pretty big blast.

I have understand about 1 ton of explosives were used -- this is not the street-corner kaTTu's cracker. This is the ISI, probably goaded by Assfucq himself. The target was some USA espionage/infiltration team. To cause such blast in the desh the TISPians need to smuggle in such quantities of military ordnance into some masjid/mohalla. Possible but still difficult. The deshi kaTTus are likely to continue with NH4NO3, which id bad enough as we see.

09-22-2008, 01:23 AM

Nareshji I agree we should not relax visa regulations for these people. But, I don't think that the ones that wish to harm us go through normal visa channels.

I think we need to create black op teams that can hot pursuit across the border and take down terrorist infrastructure while giving plausible deniablity to the Indian govt. No need to demand 'return' take them down quietly....

Ofcourse all of this depends on the fact that our govt realizes that source of terrorism is pakistan and not believe in this 'India and Pakistan are equal victims of terror' line that they are currently spouting.

The paki rupee is sliding and is almost touching 80 to the dollar. Why cant we pump in fake paki notes to completly ruin them?

These paki actors/cricketeers are the creme de creme of paki society and therefore I feel its desirable to have them in India (to a certain extent) because they will be spending their money here.

my two cents....

Naresh · (This post was last modified: 09-22-2008, 02:40 PM by Naresh.)

QUOTE(thayilv @ Sep 22 2008, 01:23 AM)Nareshji I agree we should not relax visa regulations for these people. But, I don't think that the ones that wish to harm us go through normal visa channels.
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thayilv Ji :

Really?

When India proposed the First Cross-Border Bus Service from and to Jammu & Kashmir with Terroristani Occupied Jammu and Kashmir the Pakistani Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri quipped âIs this to facilitate the Cross-Border Terrorists from Terroristan to India?â - or words to that effect.

India Grants about 120,000 "India Visit" Visas Annually to the Terroristanis. Even if only Ten Per Cent (Mush the Tush's Figure) of the Terroristanis are Islamic Jehadi Terrorists than India is getting 10,000 - 12,000 Islamic Jehadi Terrorists Annually to perpetrate Islamic Jehadi Terrorism in India

For your Information : I believe the Terroristanis issue only 12,000 "Terroristani Visit" Visas Annually to Indians

You can draw your own conclusions!

QUOTE(thayilv @ Sep 22 2008, 01:23 AM)I think we need to create black op teams that can hot pursuit across the border and take down terrorist infrastructure while giving plausible deniability to the Indian govt. No need to demand 'return' take them down quietly....
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Do you think that the Kaangress Kaamunist Kriminal Klan has the guts to do so!

QUOTE(thayilv @ Sep 22 2008, 01:23 AM)Of course all of this depends on the fact that our govt realizes that source of terrorism is Pakistan and not believe in this 'India and Pakistan are equal victims of terror' line that they are currently spouting.
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Will the Kaangress Kaamunist Kriminal Klan wake up from its Lotos induced somnolence?

QUOTE(thayilv @ Sep 22 2008, 01:23 AM)The paki rupee is sliding and is almost touching 80 to the dollar. Why cant we pump in fake paki notes to completely ruin them?
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The Kaangress Kaamunist Kriminal Klan does not take actions against Terroristan for all the Indian âFake Currencyâ printed there. Now you expect our KKKK to print fake Terroristani Currency. Dream On.

QUOTE(thayilv @ Sep 22 2008, 01:23 AM)These paki actors/cricketers are the crÃ¨me de creme of paki society and therefore I feel its desirable to have them in India (to a certain extent) because they will be spending their money here.
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My Dear Sir this is an eloquent demonstration of your Liberal Secular Hindu leanings.

I marvel at your Benevolence of raising the Terroristani Actors/Cricketers to such Celestial Heights.

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One of the Terroristani Cricketerâs (I think it was Afridi) Cousin partook in Cross-Border Terrorism and was apprehended in Indian Jammu & Kashmir. I am sure that our Prime Minister spent Night upon Nights of Insomnia and seemingly the Terrorist was released on Compassionate Grounds!

Never forget the saying : Once a Terroristani Always an Islamic Jehadi Terrorist.

QUOTE(thayilv @ Sep 22 2008, 01:23 AM)my two cents....
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I would give far more value to your opinion-views and respect your humility.

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Bodhi · 09-22-2008, 04:36 PM

Pakistani troops fire on intruding US choppers

Shambhu · 09-22-2008, 06:29 PM

^^^

So for the 2nd time in a week the stalwart ally has "protected its sovereignity".

Barkhurdaar, aur kitnee cheezon ko protect karoge?

09-22-2008, 08:58 PM

Zardari was supposed to be in Marriot, he changed his programme at last moment. 2 US marine died.
It means Zardari was target, and Punjabi Army must be behind this attack.

09-22-2008, 09:01 PM

QUOTECzech envoy dies in Marriott blast 
pioneer.com
Agencies | Islamabad
The Czech Ambassador to Pakistan was among those killed in the deadly suicide attack on the posh Marriott Hotel here, the Government said on Sunday, even as rescue workers pulled more bodies out of the wreckage of the building.Â
Czech envoy Ivo Zdarek was among the dead, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani told mediapersons after visiting the injured at the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences.

"The Czech Ambassador has been identified. He is dead," Gilani said.

Zdarek, 47, had moved from Vietnam to Pakistan a month ago and was staying at the hotel. Police initially reported that Zdarek was missing after Saturday night's blast that killed at least 60 people and injured nearly 260.

The Czech Foreign Ministry said in a statement posted on its Website on Sunday that Zdarek, 47, had been inside the hotel at the moment of the blast. It described him as an expert on Chinese studies who arrived in Islamabad only in August after completing his four-year mission as Ambassador in Vietnam. He was married with two sons but was staying without his family at the Marriott, a favorite spot for foreigners and the Pakistani elite.

This was described as the "biggest" bomb attack in Pakistan using 600 kg of deadly RDX-TNT cocktail which killed 53 people including the Czech envoy and injured 266 others, the Government said, as the needle of suspicion in the Marriott Hotel suicide attack pointed towards the Taliban.

09-23-2008, 02:45 AM

Nareshji,

You and I are on the same page pretty much. I still believe that we need to tap into the the resources (money/connections) these 'creme de la excrement' as you put it have.

Ultimately, these ppl are going to do what in their money's best interest. If we can develop a pressure point on that, I believe we can use it to effectively curtail some of their shenanigans.

Having their money in India is the easiest way to develop this. Ofcourse, this will have to be carefully balanced to make sure that it does not become dangerous, but I believe we can manage it.

Since they have links in the pak military establishment, they are an excellent target for intelligence agencies. Having a mole on the inside could definitely give us an edge.

09-23-2008, 05:50 AM

There is no need to do anything with Pakistan, Pakistan are doing good job themselves. <!--emo& Big Grin

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