[quote name='sumishi' date='28 November 2011 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1322458871' post='113886']
Thanks!. I am interested in knowing what qualifies it as a congress bandwagon. Also, is the general bias of articles in the magazine anti-BJP / pro-Congress?
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Both! And terribly anti-Hindu too! She is, I suspect, a paid agent of the ISI. For example listen to Shoma Chaudhury on her so called investigation of Hindu terror: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ajGxFH6mKg"]My link[/url]
Savitriji.
Perhaps I have not been able to make my point of view clear to you in the blog above. I have not supported FDI in retail sector. I have pointed out that the political opponents of the FDI have only pointed out the likely damage it will cause to the small time retail businessmen. None of them have countered the argument of the Congress Party that FDI will generate large scale employment in rural areas, as well as help in building up infrastructure in the villages. In the process BJP is giving an impression that it is concerned only with the interest of the small business and do not cafre for the rural populationââ¬â¢s welfare.
[quote name='ravish' date='28 November 2011 - 08:03 PM' timestamp='1322490327' post='113890']
Savitriji.
Perhaps I have not been able to make my point of view clear to you in the blog above. I have not supported FDI in retail sector. I have pointed out that the political opponents of the FDI have only pointed out the likely damage it will cause to the small time retail businessmen. None of them have countered the argument of the Congress Party that FDI will generate large scale employment in rural areas, as well as help in building up infrastructure in the villages. In the process BJP is giving an impression that it is concerned only with the interest of the small business and do not cafre for the rural populationââ¬â¢s welfare.
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Point #1 is for you to realize that the small businessmen in this sector is so very enormous. In capitalist system the surplus labour (caused by this kind of havocs) has to be trained in other sectors to fit in and such trained resource of men are just inventories to be employed i.e. there is no guarantee of any employment. It costs money to train and so the system would spend only so much as is needed and those people who didn't get such benefit are laid waste. Practically the people who are robbed of their occupation and merely laid waste would account in millions. The survivors and beneficiaries of this capitalist catastrophe is akin to the Abrahamic God picking up a few good guys to take them to heaven while the rest are to go to hell. If you don't understand this capitalist method that stems from the philosophical root of abandonment of the westerners I am truly sorry for you. Please atleast realize that India is not a truly capitalist country and we have only some sectors that can be accepted as part of the capitalist mode of production that too with varying degrees of efficiency. If you studied the effects of capitalism in all the western countries you would notice that it depopulates the rural area and pushes the helpless people into the urban area mostly into the ghettos.
Point #2 is that if you believe in the political gimmicks and goebellian propaganda of the Congress Party it is your choice. Basically you believe in the system of capitalism as a social instrument of progress and justice and that is where I differ from you. We have alternatives that had put us on top of the world, as the industrial workshop of the world, even 400 years ago. As far as technology is concerned the Hindu system was great pioneer way back in time. Our backbones were broken by colonialism and later by their secularist successors of the congress party who have decided to abandon the Hindu system of social justice and broad development in favour of global economy, making people as commodities and to steal and stash our wealth in foreign lands. Our fight from the foreign yoke is still in progress.
Pl. do go through the following articles that would throw more light on this subject.
[url="http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/fdi-in-retail-learn-from-hindu-dharma-learn-from-tesco-a-billion-pound-operation-a-monopoly-causing-social-and-environmental-problems/"]FDI in retail? Learn from Hindu Dharma. Learn from Tesco, a billion pound operation, a monopoly causing social and environmental problems.[/url]
[url="http://www.docstoc.com/docs/80915291/HINDUTVA_PRINCIPLES_FOR_ECONOMIC_DEVELOPMENT%5B1%5D"]HINDUTVA PRINCIPLES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT[1] by Dr.Subramanian Swamy[/url]
[url="http://www.docstoc.com/docs/98845220/Hindu-social-corporate-form-and-sreni-dharma-%28October-2011%29"]Hindu social corporate form and sreni dharma (October 2011)[/url]
Why does BJP's website does not list any achievements? It is a very bad portrayal of itself. When questioned why BJP did not pass any Lok Pal Bill, Arun smartly passed a rhetoric. So I wanted to find the national and state achievements of BJP. The Karnataka website has a menu called "Achievements" even that is dreary and listless. For crying out loud, if somebody has connections in BJP, please pass along the need of having the necessity to articulate firmly and positively its achievements. Duh.
NVS on [url=http://www.newsinsight.net/archivedebates/nat2.asp?recno=2241}Freeing the BJP[/url]
Quote:Freeing the BJP
Without internal polls and an elected president, the principal opposition party cannot seriously challenge the corrupt UPA regime, says N.V.Subramanian.
6 January 2012: Since the Congress is a dynastic party, it is pointless to speak about internal elections and democracy in its context. It is a family concern (Commentary, "Congress Inc." 4 January 2012), and nothing less. But though the BJP has internal democracy in the manner the Congress doesn't, it still needs to formalize it. A good starting point would be to have an elected party president, not one nominated by the RSS.
Nitin Gadkari has been foisted on the BJP by the RSS. The RSS and the BJP president may deny this. But it happens to be true. Gadkari's decision to induct the tainted Babu Singh Kushwaha into the party with an eye on the Uttar Pradesh elections has boomeranged on him and hurt the BJP's image. The RSS newspaper, Panchjanya, has obliquely criticized this. At the same time, a RSS spokesman claims the organization does not interfere in BJP decision-making. It convinces nobody.
Except for the decision to induct Kushwaha, Gadkari is not a blundering or failed BJP president like, say, Rajnath Singh, another RSS nominee. At least within the BJP, Gadkari has been non-confrontationist. He has not played factional politics. He has to be credited for returning to the party such estranged leaders as Jaswant Singh and Uma Bharati. When he took over, nearly everyone was against nearly everyone else in the BJP. He has served as glue.
But at bottom, Gadkari remains a Maharashtra politician. It is, of course, no credit to him that the BJP is floundering in Maharashtra under his charge. But he is even more clueless about the rest of India. For the Karnataka, B.S.Yeddyuruppa mess, he is partly to blame. He has no understanding of cowbelt politics. But worse, he has little sense of how Anna Hazare's anti-corruption campaign has changed the public mood against tainted politicians. If he had been an elected BJP president, he wouldn't conceivably have made the Kushwaha blunder.
What makes an elected party president different from a nominated one? The hard grind of elections. To win, a candidate has to convince or appear convincing to a majority of the party's members. For that, a candidate has to travel widely, canvass strenuously and imaginatively, sell his new vision for the party, appear statesman-like over his rivals, and project himself as most capable to bring the party to power, if it's in the opposition. Tony Blair did it for Labour and subsequently David Cameron for the Conservatives.
This process of electioneering brings a two-fold advantage. While the candidates become known to party members and the wider constituents, the candidates may return wiser by the experience. If candidates have to crisscross the country for a year or more to win party elections, consider the wealth of political insights and local knowledge they gain. If a BJP presidential candidate had done such intensive tours of the country, he would have been astonished by the deep countercurrents set off by Anna's movement, and at the least avoided the Kushwaha embarrassment.
An elected party president naturally brings other advantages. He knows the people's pulse. His actions and opinions carry weight since he is elected. If he is the president of the largest opposition party in Parliament, he enjoys the position of shadow prime minister. The party gets consolidated under an elected president. An elected president will be better able to give the party winning short-duration tactics, medium-term direction, and vision over the long course. And since his constituency embraces the whole country, he would be less guided by coteries, and veer towards decision-making by consensus.
All in all, his elected status would give him enormous legitimacy and leverage.
Without an elected president, the BJP is deprived of all these advantages. Even when the BJP was cadre-based, it did not have elected presidents. At least the earliest Jana Sangha/ BJP chiefs had standing in the RSS, being of the same peer group, which allowed of some autonomy. But today, those generational links have shredded. There is no love lost between the BJP and RSS. The fall from grace of L.K.Advani, who did not walk away into the sunset, has been most damaging for the BJP. The RSS simply does not trust the party to run its affairs properly.
But if the BJP has to grow and become a responsible and result-oriented opposition, it has to come out of the shadows of the RSS, and the first step in that direction would be to hold internal elections. There are too many power-centres in the BJP today, pulling in contrary directions. This may suit the RSS which is opposed to the personality cult. One Narendra Modi is enough. But it is not taking the BJP anywhere.
Without an elected president, the BJP cannot meet the rising aspirations of a resurgent democratic India. Nitin Gadkari's Kushwaha self-goal is a symptom of the malaise that runs deep. A dynastic Congress is already choking Indian democracy. The BJP with its in-built constraints is not helping matters.
One reason for not having elections is it divides the party. However in current state folks who dont agree with the leader already undermine it by working against it. The real problem is an Indian trait to not support and rally behind the cause or leader. Anywhere else once the elections or leader is decided people work towards the goal.
Ramanaji,
Despite the world capitalist class extolling the virtues of 'democracy' experience world over shows that it can only survive by corruption. In the western countries they manage to have two or three political parties all of which are same wine in different bottles. In any case in all these countries if you don't have money you cannot be in politics. In India there is fiefdom in politics be it Congress, the BJP or even Marxist. They come together by concession, appeasement and outright black money transfer (bribe). Ignore this and then only you can complain! (Or, you complain because you have ignored the elephant in the living room!)
With best regards,
Indians political class or those joins politics are for petty reasons. There is no leader at site. Majority Indian population have same grievances but they don't know how to fix.
Gadkari is not tested. Kushwaha induction is purely to grab Kushwaha clan votes. They are big chunk of vote, if they can make them vote in block.
[url="http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/50957-will-bjp-project-modi-as-pm?.html"]Will BJP project Modi as PM?[/url]Opinion polls in India rarely tend to be definite: They are at best indicative of political trends. Even so, the latest round of the bi-annual Mood of the Nation poll sponsored by India Today must bring a measure of joy to the BJP and particularly those in the organisation who feel that the future belongs to a dispensation led by Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi.
The findings are no doubt much more encouraging to the BJP than to the Congress. In the event of a snap general election, the BJP is expected to win some 140 Lok Sabha seats, which is significantly more than the 110 seats the poll gives to the Congress. In the individual popularity stakes, it would seem that Modi has nearly doubled his claim to be considered as a future Prime Minister. Whereas he was the prime ministerial choice of only 12 per cent six months ago, his current acceptability is 24 per cent. More important, Modi is well ahead of Rahul Gandhi who is the choice of 17 per cent, a fall of four per cent from mid-2011.
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Nick named the "Mylapore Mafia", Cho Ramaswamy and S.Gurumoorthy have risen to be the close confidants of JJ. This is going to push AIADMK and BJP closer. Sasikala and her relatives are out of AIADMK. Cho's magazine Thuglaq recently celebrated 42nd anniversary. Advani and Modi were two of the three speakers. The third one was of course Cho himself.
Gurumoorthy was a key person working the BJP stalwarts, and Rajnikanth was in the front row. Jayalalitha was notably absent, but she did not have to be there. All three speakers hailed JJ.
JJ will not join BJP for sure, but her party might strike a deal. If nothing sensational happens between now and 2014, AIADMK and BJP will have a tie up for sure. It is a guarantee, if nothing major shakes up in the 5 State elections.
Search for Cho Thuglaq anniversary 42 in youtube, you will find 2 hours worth of video, it is good.
What is the real problem in Karnataka BJP? Why wont the BJP permit the BSY to serve as the CM?
I haven't seen a CM survive so many trust votes and elections as BSY.
Karnataka problem is Reeddy brothers and Ananth. Ananth is dreaming to be CM.
Any book-maker poll previews
Do all states get counted on Mar-6
03-07-2012, 04:20 AM
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In Up elections: From 83 in 2002, to 51 in 2007 & 47 now.
Shows gradual decline in numbers in UP. Time to rethink about the leadership approach.
UP has shown they want stable govt by electing last three govts(2002, 2007 & 2012) with full majority.
UP electorate has SP type seculars, INC type family retainers, BSP type SC, BJP supporters, Muslims.
Vote share will tell how much real support each has.
Add to that UttarKhand was lost.
Karnataka is in doldrums all the time.
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Another way of looking is that there was an anti-INC undercurrent and made itself present in the current elections.
The key is to catch it for 2014.
Ashok Malik - Khanduri, seen as a man of integrity and highways minister in the NDA government, was removed as Uttarakhand chief minister in 2009, allegedly because of the defeat in the Lok Sabha elections. This was astonishing reasoning, given the top brass in Delhi, from the then party president downwards, didnââ¬â¢t give up their posts. The real story, and a particularly shaming one, was that Khanduri had refused to facilitate corrupt business deals for a senior national- level BJPââ¬â¢s leaderââ¬â¢s family members.
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So who is this scumbag in the BJP
Even more surprisingly, some 15 of the 47 seats that BJP won in Uttar Pradesh were from places with a 35% Muslim electorate;
Mild polarisation will defeat muslim vote bank
It might be good to make a list of back stabbers and instances for futre reference.
The performance of the BJP in UP , which is the largest State in India indicates that it could not impress the electorate with the strategy adopted by it to fight the elections. The same has been the case with the Indian national Congress.
The electorate has gone in for a political formation that it felt will bring in accelerated economic development of the State. In doing so they have gone in for voting a regional party to power with absolute majority. It reflects that there was a clear thinking amongst the majority of the electorate and they have exercised their franchise accordingly. They had two choice before them , either to re-elect the outgoing BSP or o vote in the SP . Obviously, they had not been happy with the BSP and hence has gone in to vote for the SP.
The explanation being given in certain quarters that the minority community has voted solidly behind the Sp is the cause of their landslide victory does not seem to be totally true. One has to accept that the majority of the voters cutting across religious and caste consideration have voted for the SP, otherwise it would not have been possible for the party to get an absolute majority. One has to admit that the lineup by the opponents of SP in UP elections was formidable. Both the national level parties and the BSP had deployed considerable resources and yet could not achieve much success. The tragedy with the two national level parties is that they become over confident before going in to fight the elections.
Coming back to the BJPââ¬â¢s poor performance, one can only say that the time has come for the party to give a serious thought as to what should be its strategy to fight elections in important States of India .Its sole reliance on the hardcore Hindu votes is not going to yield any positive results. The Mandir , core Hindu values etc are no longer going to be the deciding factors in the future elections. Secondly, the younger generation leaders having a clean image should be allowed to take up the leadership in the State level, so that they can give a dynamic image of the party. It is high time that the old guards should make way for the younger generation to take up the party leadership.
[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='08 March 2012 - 11:50 AM' timestamp='1331224946' post='114560']
Even more surprisingly, some 15 of the 47 seats that BJP won in Uttar Pradesh were from places with a 35% Muslim electorate;
Mild polarisation will defeat muslim vote bank
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That is the huge problem. Instead of BJP being a messiah of some castes it is just back to win seats based on Takleef. This vote is not even Hindutva vote. It is just a polarization due to fear of Muslims. Unless they go into reality of India's democracy there is hardly any chance for BJP. In UP had BJP got its 47 seats from Bundelkand or Eastern and central regions it would still be a happy moment. Western UP victories are like making it look like a big Zero. I don't see a big difference of BJP in UP Vs BJP in AP.
The positive (not the takleef based polarizaton) Hindutva vote is not even 1% in any state. It's Hindu causes will not even give it a zlitch. The takleef based ones will give about 20 seats overall in India where there are large concentrations of Muslims.
The simple reality is they need to create voter bases like they created in Karnataka, Bihar and Rajasthan in vast portions of India. They should stop the crap called as movements against corruption and bring back black money ect. Pure drivel.
If needed they should fire their entire Hindutva cadre and replace with "voter base" based cadre. The RSS/VHP cadre is also reason for its demise.
[quote name='Muppalla' date='17 March 2012 - 11:09 PM' timestamp='1332005512' post='114610']
That is the huge problem. Instead of BJP being a messiah of some castes it is just back to win seats based on Takleef. This vote is not even Hindutva vote. It is just a polarization due to fear of Muslims. Unless they go into reality of India's democracy there is hardly any chance for BJP. In UP had BJP got its 47 seats from Bundelkand or Eastern and central regions it would still be a happy moment. Western UP victories are like making it look like a big Zero. I don't see a big difference of BJP in UP Vs BJP in AP.
The positive (not the takleef based polarizaton) Hindutva vote is not even 1% in any state. It's Hindu causes will not even give it a zlitch. The takleef based ones will give about 20 seats overall in India where there are large concentrations of Muslims.
The simple reality is they need to create voter bases like they created in Karnataka, Bihar and Rajasthan in vast portions of India. They should stop the crap called as movements against corruption and bring back black money ect. Pure drivel.
If needed they should fire their entire Hindutva cadre and replace with "voter base" based cadre. The RSS/VHP cadre is also reason for its demise.
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The only reason any Hindu votes for BJP is fear of muslims and christians
In Gujurat and Goa and Bihar, the added bonus is clean and honest administration
I will go further and say, 99% of Congress-secularist Hindus will never rent to a muslim, or marry his daughter to a muslim, So there is need to introspect why this widespread muslim-phobia does not translate to bjp votes
[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='17 March 2012 - 02:53 PM' timestamp='1332013522' post='114611']
The only reason any Hindu votes for BJP is fear of muslims and christians
In Gujurat and Goa and Bihar, the added bonus is clean and honest administration
I will go further and say, 99% of Congress-secularist Hindus will never rent to a muslim, or marry his daughter to a muslim, So there is need to introspect why this widespread muslim-phobia does not translate to bjp votes
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There is no need to introspect. your example of marrying off to Muslim is extreme as vast numbers are not ready to marry off to a different sub caste.
There is a vast population of India such as Gujarat and Bihar where there is no fear due to Muslims. Maharashtra also belongs to the same class. They know how to deal with them when things go out of hand. Gujarat never ever reconciled to the fact that Muslims live among them. This is nothing to do with Modi or BJP. It is always like that irrespective of who ruled them. For example in Maha neither congress nor NCP has given even a single ticket to Muslims (Antulay is only one who lost anyway).
The Muslim phobia is really in few pockets and trying to expand using the problems in those pockets across India will not work. BJP needs to work only on how to get to power by India's natural methods. Build a base not on ideology but on things that work. When you get to power implement the ideology. They should stop fear mongering. They should create caste leaders inside BJP where caste is important.
There is no difference between AP and Karnataka. Why there is BJP in Karnataka and why not in AP? Very simply contrast. They did the right things of Lingayat Vs vokaligga competition and took on one side to be relevant. Even if they lose they are second there. In AP, their whole start is Hyderabad and it is again fear mongering or Takleef based votes in pockets of Hyderabad. Their entire leadership is Hyderabad (other than few like Venkiah Naidu). Had they played the game of the competetion of Kammas Vs Reddys they would have got the room to become relevant.
However, the arm chair analysts over internet analyse stuff like Muslims, EJs etc instead of the blunt facts. The apeasement and conversion are issue and no doubt they needs to be solved in the national interest. But they should not be a day-to-day electoral issues.
What BJP needs is "some non-brahmin castes' leadership WITH NO INVOLVEMENT or DIRECTION of brahmins". That is only way to increase its base.
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