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[Hauma Hamiddha]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This is about the 3 bhavas of kaula tantrism: Pashu, Vira and Divya.
The actual (real means) 5M sadhna is said to be part of Vira bhava. Some Tantrikas tell me that there is no way to progress in Tantrik process as a celebate. According to them celebacy is the way of the inferior pashu and not Vira. But I have read that Divya bhava is also celebate ~ which have been countered.

I would like to know if divya bhava is indeed celebate?
And whether divya, vira and pasu are 3 seperate paths or they lead into the other??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I am not sure I can satisfy you because you will all ways find sAdhakas of different branches holding contrary views. However, I can tell you that technically vIrasAdhana is the path of the adhoretas but the Urdhvaretas have also attained siddhi. For example the celibate sh~Nkarabhagavat-pAda. So it is clear that even by the celibate path one can reach the state achieved by the non-celibate. The divya is beyond dvandva-s and pAshas, hence being celibate or not does not matter to the divya in theory.

If I get the time I will send you a PM because the rest cannot be stated on open forum.