That image is disturbingly expressive.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The counterpart of western colonialism and subjugation of the Americas is Orthodoxy's conquest of Siberia.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->True.
And then in more recent times (according to somethings I read) Russian communism committed genocide once more, when persecuting Siberian Shamanism.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Also we must consider Orthodoxy's relative sedateness to be a response to dhimmi status under Ottomans.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes I see what you mean. So it correlates somewhat more with christians in Syria, Lebanon and the like. (Although the latter have been under islam for longer now. So it's a <i>degree</i> of similarity with christians in the ME.)
<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+Oct 29 2007, 11:02 PM-->QUOTE(dhu @ Oct 29 2007, 11:02 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Communism must also be included in the list of Orthodox exports, just as we subsume colonialism under the phenomenon of western christianity.[right][snapback]74653[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Not too sure about this. Karl Marx' dad was - I think - a Protestant (convert from Judaism; but Indian christians don't count as Hindus either, so we can ignore the Judaic ancestry).
Regardless, there's <i>nothing</i> original about communism. It was a poor (and ultra-contrived!) rip-off of the comparatively far more spontaneous (to some extent) French Revolution. Marx saw how the historical event succeeded and just did a copycat with as end result that he and his comrade put their names under 'their' thesis.
Communism copied/repeated (and often magnified) all the bad things - and made a mockery of all the good things - of the French Revolution. I've yet to find something original in communism (other than their audacity for extreme lies; actually, that's rather very goebbelsian/hitlerian of the red disease).
What I'm trying to say is this: communism tried to repeat the French Revolution under laboratory conditions. As in, it's <i>contrived</i>: the comrades try to set/present the external conditions such as to recreate the original phenomenon.
But the French Revolution was mostly due to the unnatural casta system of catholic France where the aristocracy was at its very best ignorant of the other castas and at its worst... well that's a horror. (Think car that runs you over and then reverses to run you over again to make sure you're really beyond recovery.)
Not sure communism is something that belongs under Eastern christianism though. It's rather a side-effect/product of western christianism or perhaps just plain vanilla christianism. IMO.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The counterpart of western colonialism and subjugation of the Americas is Orthodoxy's conquest of Siberia.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->True.
And then in more recent times (according to somethings I read) Russian communism committed genocide once more, when persecuting Siberian Shamanism.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Also we must consider Orthodoxy's relative sedateness to be a response to dhimmi status under Ottomans.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes I see what you mean. So it correlates somewhat more with christians in Syria, Lebanon and the like. (Although the latter have been under islam for longer now. So it's a <i>degree</i> of similarity with christians in the ME.)
<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+Oct 29 2007, 11:02 PM-->QUOTE(dhu @ Oct 29 2007, 11:02 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Communism must also be included in the list of Orthodox exports, just as we subsume colonialism under the phenomenon of western christianity.[right][snapback]74653[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Not too sure about this. Karl Marx' dad was - I think - a Protestant (convert from Judaism; but Indian christians don't count as Hindus either, so we can ignore the Judaic ancestry).
Regardless, there's <i>nothing</i> original about communism. It was a poor (and ultra-contrived!) rip-off of the comparatively far more spontaneous (to some extent) French Revolution. Marx saw how the historical event succeeded and just did a copycat with as end result that he and his comrade put their names under 'their' thesis.
Communism copied/repeated (and often magnified) all the bad things - and made a mockery of all the good things - of the French Revolution. I've yet to find something original in communism (other than their audacity for extreme lies; actually, that's rather very goebbelsian/hitlerian of the red disease).
What I'm trying to say is this: communism tried to repeat the French Revolution under laboratory conditions. As in, it's <i>contrived</i>: the comrades try to set/present the external conditions such as to recreate the original phenomenon.
But the French Revolution was mostly due to the unnatural casta system of catholic France where the aristocracy was at its very best ignorant of the other castas and at its worst... well that's a horror. (Think car that runs you over and then reverses to run you over again to make sure you're really beyond recovery.)
Not sure communism is something that belongs under Eastern christianism though. It's rather a side-effect/product of western christianism or perhaps just plain vanilla christianism. IMO.