K.Ram's post 144 above very important.
3 posts. I find this is relevant here - may become clear why I think so in the next two posts. (This one is continued from the following in the christoterrorism thread.)
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<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Nov 20 2008, 06:11 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Nov 20 2008, 06:11 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Summary - Graham Staines:</b>
1. Was staying illegally in India on a long expired visa. That would make him a serious criminal in any country.
(Australian christoterrorist Staines of course was not unique in this. Here's another example of how the christogovt enabled a Canadian christoterrorist to overstay on a 'business visa', who'd been missionising for 9 years, without deporting him: Missionary floutes visa rules to carry on with conversions)
2. Was in illegal possession of a gun in India and fired several shots into a crowd
3. Was a rapist according to the witness of a convert to christianism
4. His character was that of a typically mean-spirited and spiteful christian: hateful about others' Gods and inciting his converts to attack Hindus.
5. Was indulging in illegal conversion activities, which the missionary organisation he was working for - it being a typical criminal=christian organisation - would not provide details of to the Indian courts investigating Staines' murder. So the courts had to obtain these from Staines' own dispatches.
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<b>Rabindra Kumar Pal "Dara Singh": sentenced for Graham Staines murder</b>
He protected and saved cows and was specifically *requested* by Orissa Hindus to come and protect them from christian terrorism. See post 234 of the christoterrorism - 5 thread for why they needed protection from christian terrorists: because the law was not protecting them and their children, nor giving them justice when they had been terribly victimised.
1. http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1098596482
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hindu-Isai not bhai-bhai in Orissa</b>
On the face of it, the Christian preachers appear to have chosen the wrong occasion and place to sell their spiritual ware as Durga puja happens to be one of the most sacred festivals of the Hindus. Moreover, in Mayurbhanj, Hindutva has acquired a special edge since the arrest of Dara Singh alias Rabindra Kumar Pal in connection with the murder of Australian missionary, Graham Stuart Staines.
<b>While Dara may a villain the eyes of the Christians, he is the hero of the majority community in the Mayurbhanj-Keonjhar belt where he is seen as the protector of faith.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
2. http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1117614519
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Who Killed Australian Missionary Graham Staines?</b>
Posted June 1, 2005
<b>Arun Shourie</b>
Voice of Dharma
On the face of it, the report of the Wadhwa Commission on the murder of the Australian missionary Graham Staines and his two sons should have been very welcome to our secular friends. Justice Wadhwa has concluded that the main person who organised the attack was Rabindra Kumar Pal alias Dara Singh, and that his motive in doing so was "misplaced fundamentalism", namely his conviction that conversions by missionaries were threatening Hinduism. He also records evidence to the effect that Dara Singh had been involved in an activity which, in the eyes of secularists, is as deplorable as an activity can get: <b>protection of cows from slaughter.</b>
But no, the secularists are all in rage. "A stained report," "A whitewash," "A politically tutored report" -- they have been shouting. Justice Wadhwa has failed the litmus test: if only he had included a sentence -- a single sentence! -- imputing -- howsoever obliquely -- that Dara Singh was in some way affiliated to some organization that can be linked to the RSS or the BJP, what applause would have greeted the Report!
But the Judge has stuck to evidence. Hence the fury! For our friends, a Commission of Inquiry is credible only if it is useful!
In fact, the Report is instructive on many counts. Not to heed them is to condemn the country to further problems.
Several witnesses testified to Dara Singh's involvement in the crime -- in preparing for it, in executing it. Justice Wadhwa is in doubt that Dara Singh was the prime mover. To fly off in rage at Dara Singh, and feel that one has done one's duty is to miss the point.
(Other news articles, see the following post, reveal what the courts actually thought about "the evidence" against Dara.)
There are several important pointers. Several witnesses testified that <b>Dara Singh had been engaged in rescuing cows that were being transported for slaughter. He had been trying to get the State to enforce the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals laws. This activity was taken, even by the police, to be "anti-Muslim" activity.</b> <b>Dara Singh was accordingly implicated in cases filed by persons engaged in transporting and selling cows for slaughter. That is as far as the consequences for Dara Singh under the law are concerned.</b> The effect on the people was the exact opposite. Witness-29, who testified that he had been asked by Dara Singh to accompany him to Manoharpur, told the Commission, "Dara Singh is a very popular figure in the village as he forcibly frees cows from the people who take them for selling. After freeing the cows, Dara Singh distributes the cows among the villagers...."
<b>Cows are revered by Hindus. The man trying to save them becomes an outlaw in the eyes of the police, and a hero in the eyes of the people. Two lessons in that.</b>
On the other hand, Staines and his associates are left free to go on converting Hindus to Christianity. There is no evidence that Staines himself resorted to fraud, force or allurement. Even so, tensions mount because of conversions. Staines' own despatches testify to this. But our institutions -- the Minorities Commission and the police being representative in this regard -- even in retrospect assert the fiction that there was no tension between Christians and non-Christians.
(While there's perhaps no evidence that Staines used fraud/force/allurement to convert, there *is* evidence that his presence in India was illegal, that he owned a gun (and witnesses saw him shoot into the crowd before he got torched), <i>and</i> there's testimony from a christian convert woman that Graham Staines tried to rape her. See top of this post for the links)
The second clue is provided by the evidence of a key witness, one whose testimony contributes most to nailing the involvement of Dara Singh. He is one Dipu Das. He was a close associate of Dara Singh. He revealed to the Commission that <b>"youth from Gayalmunda and Bhalughera had approached Dara Singh sometime in August 1998 to stop the Christians from converting Hindus to Christianity...."</b>
That is the key lesson: if the State is going to persist with double-standards in regard to the sentiments of Hindus and non-Hindus on the one hand, and with a deliberate shutting of eyes on the other, it is paving the way for such crimes.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So we learn that Dara's major crimes were
1. to protect the cows from slaughter and that he was trying to get the State to enforce the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals laws
2. to come to the aid of the Hindus of Orissa who'd requested him to protect them and their communities from the christian terrorists.
But what about Dara's "nefarious" involvement in the sensational murder of Graham Staines? It was he who burnt Staines and his two kids, right? Isn't that what the CBI (prosecution) said? Isn't that what the media said? Didn't the courts sentence him after all? Justice was carried out, yeah? All's good in the world - the bad guys languishing in prison, the good guys living it up - we can all go to sleep easy.
?
(Cont. in next post)
3 posts. I find this is relevant here - may become clear why I think so in the next two posts. (This one is continued from the following in the christoterrorism thread.)
Post 1/3
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Nov 20 2008, 06:11 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Nov 20 2008, 06:11 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Summary - Graham Staines:</b>
1. Was staying illegally in India on a long expired visa. That would make him a serious criminal in any country.
(Australian christoterrorist Staines of course was not unique in this. Here's another example of how the christogovt enabled a Canadian christoterrorist to overstay on a 'business visa', who'd been missionising for 9 years, without deporting him: Missionary floutes visa rules to carry on with conversions)
2. Was in illegal possession of a gun in India and fired several shots into a crowd
3. Was a rapist according to the witness of a convert to christianism
4. His character was that of a typically mean-spirited and spiteful christian: hateful about others' Gods and inciting his converts to attack Hindus.
5. Was indulging in illegal conversion activities, which the missionary organisation he was working for - it being a typical criminal=christian organisation - would not provide details of to the Indian courts investigating Staines' murder. So the courts had to obtain these from Staines' own dispatches.
[right][snapback]90437[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Rabindra Kumar Pal "Dara Singh": sentenced for Graham Staines murder</b>
He protected and saved cows and was specifically *requested* by Orissa Hindus to come and protect them from christian terrorism. See post 234 of the christoterrorism - 5 thread for why they needed protection from christian terrorists: because the law was not protecting them and their children, nor giving them justice when they had been terribly victimised.
1. http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1098596482
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hindu-Isai not bhai-bhai in Orissa</b>
On the face of it, the Christian preachers appear to have chosen the wrong occasion and place to sell their spiritual ware as Durga puja happens to be one of the most sacred festivals of the Hindus. Moreover, in Mayurbhanj, Hindutva has acquired a special edge since the arrest of Dara Singh alias Rabindra Kumar Pal in connection with the murder of Australian missionary, Graham Stuart Staines.
<b>While Dara may a villain the eyes of the Christians, he is the hero of the majority community in the Mayurbhanj-Keonjhar belt where he is seen as the protector of faith.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
2. http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1117614519
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Who Killed Australian Missionary Graham Staines?</b>
Posted June 1, 2005
<b>Arun Shourie</b>
Voice of Dharma
On the face of it, the report of the Wadhwa Commission on the murder of the Australian missionary Graham Staines and his two sons should have been very welcome to our secular friends. Justice Wadhwa has concluded that the main person who organised the attack was Rabindra Kumar Pal alias Dara Singh, and that his motive in doing so was "misplaced fundamentalism", namely his conviction that conversions by missionaries were threatening Hinduism. He also records evidence to the effect that Dara Singh had been involved in an activity which, in the eyes of secularists, is as deplorable as an activity can get: <b>protection of cows from slaughter.</b>
But no, the secularists are all in rage. "A stained report," "A whitewash," "A politically tutored report" -- they have been shouting. Justice Wadhwa has failed the litmus test: if only he had included a sentence -- a single sentence! -- imputing -- howsoever obliquely -- that Dara Singh was in some way affiliated to some organization that can be linked to the RSS or the BJP, what applause would have greeted the Report!
But the Judge has stuck to evidence. Hence the fury! For our friends, a Commission of Inquiry is credible only if it is useful!
In fact, the Report is instructive on many counts. Not to heed them is to condemn the country to further problems.
Several witnesses testified to Dara Singh's involvement in the crime -- in preparing for it, in executing it. Justice Wadhwa is in doubt that Dara Singh was the prime mover. To fly off in rage at Dara Singh, and feel that one has done one's duty is to miss the point.
(Other news articles, see the following post, reveal what the courts actually thought about "the evidence" against Dara.)
There are several important pointers. Several witnesses testified that <b>Dara Singh had been engaged in rescuing cows that were being transported for slaughter. He had been trying to get the State to enforce the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals laws. This activity was taken, even by the police, to be "anti-Muslim" activity.</b> <b>Dara Singh was accordingly implicated in cases filed by persons engaged in transporting and selling cows for slaughter. That is as far as the consequences for Dara Singh under the law are concerned.</b> The effect on the people was the exact opposite. Witness-29, who testified that he had been asked by Dara Singh to accompany him to Manoharpur, told the Commission, "Dara Singh is a very popular figure in the village as he forcibly frees cows from the people who take them for selling. After freeing the cows, Dara Singh distributes the cows among the villagers...."
<b>Cows are revered by Hindus. The man trying to save them becomes an outlaw in the eyes of the police, and a hero in the eyes of the people. Two lessons in that.</b>
On the other hand, Staines and his associates are left free to go on converting Hindus to Christianity. There is no evidence that Staines himself resorted to fraud, force or allurement. Even so, tensions mount because of conversions. Staines' own despatches testify to this. But our institutions -- the Minorities Commission and the police being representative in this regard -- even in retrospect assert the fiction that there was no tension between Christians and non-Christians.
(While there's perhaps no evidence that Staines used fraud/force/allurement to convert, there *is* evidence that his presence in India was illegal, that he owned a gun (and witnesses saw him shoot into the crowd before he got torched), <i>and</i> there's testimony from a christian convert woman that Graham Staines tried to rape her. See top of this post for the links)
The second clue is provided by the evidence of a key witness, one whose testimony contributes most to nailing the involvement of Dara Singh. He is one Dipu Das. He was a close associate of Dara Singh. He revealed to the Commission that <b>"youth from Gayalmunda and Bhalughera had approached Dara Singh sometime in August 1998 to stop the Christians from converting Hindus to Christianity...."</b>
That is the key lesson: if the State is going to persist with double-standards in regard to the sentiments of Hindus and non-Hindus on the one hand, and with a deliberate shutting of eyes on the other, it is paving the way for such crimes.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So we learn that Dara's major crimes were
1. to protect the cows from slaughter and that he was trying to get the State to enforce the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals laws
2. to come to the aid of the Hindus of Orissa who'd requested him to protect them and their communities from the christian terrorists.
But what about Dara's "nefarious" involvement in the sensational murder of Graham Staines? It was he who burnt Staines and his two kids, right? Isn't that what the CBI (prosecution) said? Isn't that what the media said? Didn't the courts sentence him after all? Justice was carried out, yeah? All's good in the world - the bad guys languishing in prison, the good guys living it up - we can all go to sleep easy.
?
(Cont. in next post)