01-16-2010, 06:53 PM
[quote name='RomaIndian' date='05 January 2010 - 12:04 PM' timestamp='1262672807' post='103345']
I think 90% of indians are of the same stock (indic/caucasoid) belonging to the indid subgroups (northindid/indobrachid/grazilindid). The weddoid element in india is overestimadet in my opinion. I know of high castes (usually brahmins/jatts/kshatriyas) who think all low castes and especially southindians are weddoid but thats not true in my book. I think majority of indians are caucasian. Indians are Aryans (noble people) not the europeans and the aryan culture is native to the subcontinent, there was no aryan invasion theory, it is also false to say aryans have blonde hair and blue eyes and pale skin. Aryans have black hair and golden skin. There shouldnt be a divide in indians. Whats your opinion about race in india? And where do roma gypsies fit in racially?
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RomaIndian and others,
Since this topic is about race in India, i will revert back to posting on the topic race etc. and not on socio political issues of Roma. Anyway, to answer your very first post here. I have the following observations.
- That Indian populations have a great admixture of haplogroups ( DNA markers ) and phenotypes ( appearances )
- It is perfectly ok to analyse and study and look at how the haplogroups and phenotypes have interplayed and are present in the indian population from a purely academic perspective.
- It appears that by phenotype, broadly almost all Indians have sort of the same look ( and feel !? ) irrespective of what haplogroup they belong to. Of course there are broad variations when we go from north to south and east to west etc. ( But are not these variations present in any continent size land mass? )
However i perfectly agree, with you that, none of these haplogroup and race discussions should divide Indians and for all practical purposes we Indians are a race by ourselves. And culturally as well, we cluster with ourselves so to speak.
Btw, what are the real difference between Roma and Sinti. From a purely DNA perspective Sinti are predominantly R2 and Roma are mostly H (?). Does this by any chance vaguely point to some division among Roma when they left India. Or could it be due to pure chance and founder effect that R2 in Sinti dominates, as they split from Roma due to geographical seperation. In other words, Sinti were from a different source group in India and Roma from a different source group.
Regds,
Krishna
I think 90% of indians are of the same stock (indic/caucasoid) belonging to the indid subgroups (northindid/indobrachid/grazilindid). The weddoid element in india is overestimadet in my opinion. I know of high castes (usually brahmins/jatts/kshatriyas) who think all low castes and especially southindians are weddoid but thats not true in my book. I think majority of indians are caucasian. Indians are Aryans (noble people) not the europeans and the aryan culture is native to the subcontinent, there was no aryan invasion theory, it is also false to say aryans have blonde hair and blue eyes and pale skin. Aryans have black hair and golden skin. There shouldnt be a divide in indians. Whats your opinion about race in india? And where do roma gypsies fit in racially?
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RomaIndian and others,
Since this topic is about race in India, i will revert back to posting on the topic race etc. and not on socio political issues of Roma. Anyway, to answer your very first post here. I have the following observations.
- That Indian populations have a great admixture of haplogroups ( DNA markers ) and phenotypes ( appearances )
- It is perfectly ok to analyse and study and look at how the haplogroups and phenotypes have interplayed and are present in the indian population from a purely academic perspective.
- It appears that by phenotype, broadly almost all Indians have sort of the same look ( and feel !? ) irrespective of what haplogroup they belong to. Of course there are broad variations when we go from north to south and east to west etc. ( But are not these variations present in any continent size land mass? )
However i perfectly agree, with you that, none of these haplogroup and race discussions should divide Indians and for all practical purposes we Indians are a race by ourselves. And culturally as well, we cluster with ourselves so to speak.
Btw, what are the real difference between Roma and Sinti. From a purely DNA perspective Sinti are predominantly R2 and Roma are mostly H (?). Does this by any chance vaguely point to some division among Roma when they left India. Or could it be due to pure chance and founder effect that R2 in Sinti dominates, as they split from Roma due to geographical seperation. In other words, Sinti were from a different source group in India and Roma from a different source group.
Regds,
Krishna