Not on Anna or Jan Lokpal. But on something Ramdev said (because his name cropped up in this thread most often in recent times).
1. haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=15938&SKIN=B
This appeasement of the enemy ideologies seems to be a repeated pattern of Hindus going into politics... Are there ANY exceptions at all? I mean, is there ANYONE who puts their foot down and avoids wooing christoislamics (or christoislamism), and only focuses on Hindus? Or is treachery to be the lot in Hindus' lives?
2. And Ramdev's amendment follows, which doesn't seem to make his position any more sensible (nor does it explain his choice of words in the above, which must have been conscious wording to some degree at least):
haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=15939&SKIN=B
Feeding the canker is so obviously a very good idea.
atire:
What's really sad - and unfair, and angering - is none of these people will ever be around to take responsibility for their utterly irresponsible remarks and for the weight such things carry owing to their influence and which could hence be brought down to bear on Hindus' future. They may never know how, decades or a century or perhaps several centuries hence, their ill-advised and dangerous meddling in favour of inimical ideologies sharply contributed to the demise of Hindus' heathenism. Their actions marking milestones in the lead up to The Fall of genuine Hindu religion (not counting new-ageisms that may spring up by that name in future).
You know, the way Licinius - who once helped his co-emperor Constantine in beginning the Wipe-out of Hellenismos - didn't know the extent which his betrayal had brought to Hellenismos.
Most convenient then, that a human lifespan does not often exceed a centenary. And most convenient not to know the guilt one personally bears in making victims out of future generations. One need never learn how much one is to blame for the loss of everything worthy and good.
But, back to his "argument": So, one must utterly indiscriminately prop up the case for "The Poor"?
OK, but then (Indiscrimate being the word):
- Let's not forget the Poor among the illegally infiltrated Bangladeshi and TSP muslims. They're massively poor (they're also massively plotting jihad. But that is of no concern as per Ramdev's sole criteria for consideration.)
- Or the poor among the jihadi Lashkar-e-Toiba (or whatever) operating in Kashmir and other jihadi outfits in the country
and the poor among the christoterrorist outfits like NLFT/etc.
- And what about the number of poor among any actual criminals justly serving time in Indian prisons???
And why stop at India? Since Tolerance For Intolerance is the slogan - we care not Who these people are brainwashed to kill or oust, and how many more they will massacre when they are empowered through further money into multiplying and doing propaganda and enlisting for soldiery in the jihad-crusade -
then, what about the poor unemployed among the neo-nazis in the west? Or let's just go back in time, and plead for the Poor Nazis (Germany's economical slump after WWI was one of the factors congenial to nazism in Germany.)
Poverty is the only criteria after all, not whether any of the poor are ideologically safe to society... I.e. whether a parasite deserves to be fed along with the host...
Come to think of it, there were many poor European christo conquistadors and dirt-poor christo soldiers who conquered the New World for That Excuse For Evil: The Non-existent Jeebus. (Europe's greed for expansion and to raise itself from poverty is what made it look for gold and seek opportunism in the New World.) In contrast, the native Americans were by all accounts prosperous - more than enough to share their food repeatedly with the hostile invasion force and then get "rewarded" for their unthinking and regrettable generosity by being genocided.
The native Americans fed and supported their christo-enemy into sufficient strength to destroy their heathen benefactors. Rather like what Ramdev stands poised to do.
While native Americans didn't know better - not having a knowledge of christo history to hand, the way the Ramdevs and Hindus can know their enemy ideologies today - for Hindus to do the same now is to once more emphasise one of the famous lines from the SW spoof Spaceballs: [color="#0000FF"]"And now you know why Evil always wins: because Good is dumb."[/color] (If a line is true, it doesn't hurt repeating it)
Sensible people - you know, the kind that's less likely to extinct - would be good/kind only to those who are good to you, or at least have done none harm (compare with christoislamism which has in some manner destroyed *every* population it has come into contact with). You owe enemies no courtesy and no consideration. And deadly parasites you particularly owe Nothing.
Assuming Ramdev actually made such statements, then whatever his motivations are - despite flowery words and rosy notions - if his followers continue to support this, they *will* be signing their own death warrants.
One of the comments taken from the first HK link of this post:
1. haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=15938&SKIN=B
Quote:A most dangerous move By Baba Ramdev towards Muslim appeasement
19/05/2012 11:18:16 Upananda Brahmachari
[....]
It is now heard that Baba Rambev will demand the rights of conversion by Christians and Muslims from Hindus soon under a pressure of Muslim-Christian lobby helping (eye-washing) Ramdev in his Anti Corruption movement.
[color="#800080"](And I suppose making concessions for acquiring christoislamics' cooperation to stand with Hindus against the Corruption is inevitable[/color]
ââ¬ÅI did not know till recently that Article 341 does not cover Muslims and Christian Dalits. This is not fair. dalit is a dalit, whether s/he is a Hindu, Christian or a Muslim. So, all Dalits should get equal rights. We will have to struggle to achieve this. [color="#FF0000"]We will launch a struggle (for this). I extend my whole-hearted support[/color],ââ¬Â he said.
Article 341 of Indian constitution of India is a PART of XVI dealing with SPECIAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO CERTAIN CLASSES. It starts with Article 330 and ends with Article 342. Actually, Muslims are now trying to get inserted in the Scheduled Caste ( Art. 341) and certainly they are not satisfied with their just Dalit status in Mandal Commission or Ranganath Mishra Commission or in Sachar Committee Reports. As the provisions of Dalits or OBC (Other Backward Classes) give only the reservation in jobs and various scholarships and loans/grants etc. to them, it never be counted synonymous to the rights of the SC and ST communities in the Hindu fold who get the seat reservation in the State Assemblies and the Parliament by the virtue of PART XVI of Indian Constitution. Now, this Muslim Morcha demands the Scheduled Caste Rights to grab the political power in every State Assembly and in the Indian Parliament with their reservation rights in Indian Polity through Art. 341 and they gradually will extend their demand upto Art.330. And Baba Ramedv preponderantly supported those who love Sharitat at the highest level than their life and treat Indian Constitution as a political tool to make ease to reach to the goal of Shariyat. It is must but should be clear for Revered Baba that the whole Hindu community may reject him for advocating Muslim rights than the reasonable responsibilities of Muslims in obeying Indian Constitution whole heartedly. Baba is advocating for those Muslim propagators who believe in Shariyat and desire to capture Delhi again through getting reservation facilities from the top of Indian Parliament (for ruling India again as Akbar, Sahajahan or Aurangjeeb) down to the Hindu families (for making Love jihad and so on). Those who have not full faith in Indian Constitution, how they claim full rights and reservation from it?
In Kerala, Andhra Pradesh and some other states in India, the Muslim and Christian OBCs are getting more facilities than the Hindu OBCs. And Muslims and Christian OBCs are gradually encroaching the facilities from the share of Hindus.
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This appeasement of the enemy ideologies seems to be a repeated pattern of Hindus going into politics... Are there ANY exceptions at all? I mean, is there ANYONE who puts their foot down and avoids wooing christoislamics (or christoislamism), and only focuses on Hindus? Or is treachery to be the lot in Hindus' lives?
2. And Ramdev's amendment follows, which doesn't seem to make his position any more sensible (nor does it explain his choice of words in the above, which must have been conscious wording to some degree at least):
haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=15939&SKIN=B
Quote:Human justice and national interest is my top priority - Baba Ramdev
19/05/2012 00:28:10 Press Release
I had neither any knowledge of the particular Article nor any comment I made about it. This is the subject of constitutional experts to worry about. My worry is only one and that is any poor should be helped and I do not distinguish poor on the basis of caste and religion, for me all poor people are my brother and they all are equal. May they be of any religion or any caste!
I am a monk and as a monk it is my duty to help any human life and I do not distinguish between humans. For me the question is not of Hindu or Muslim.
[color="#800080"](But for christoislamics, it is very much the question of whether someone is a heathen or part of the saved ummah. Ramdev's tolerance for intolerance will get Hindus killed even if Ramdev makes it out alive at the end of it, the way Gandhi's appeasement got Hindus killed.)[/color]
This is the issue of providing justice to all humans. As far as the question of reservation is, first we believe that the reservation should be on the basis of poverty ââ¬âwhether the poor is a ââ¬Ådalitââ¬Â (schedule caste) or of higher class. The Constitution of India has provided her every citizen the right of freedom, but if anyone converts them by lure, torcher, entice, or political pressure then it is most unrighteous. That person is not converting people but doing sinful act and there should be a provision in law that such conversions do not happen in India due to fear of torcher and enticements. This alone will automatically prove the goal of rendering social and religious justice.
When I say of providing justice to every poor, backward and weak person of all castes, all religions, all languages, all provinces, and if some people take its advantage for getting wholesale votes and converting their religion in wholesale then there cannot be any worst immoral work than this.
[color="#800080"](There is a point where naivete becomes a crime, you know. It's when there's enough evidence staring you in the face to finally start noticing that the stuff you're endorsing/encouraging - the weeds you're watering - is a genocidal mania.)[/color]
They are seeking their selfish interest by exploiting the poverty of masses. I can never support these people. Whether it is a religious conversion of people or changing their political beliefs in their own favor all this work is unrighteous. This is the murder of righteousness, I cannot support them. But I consider it the duty of the government to help needy citizens irrespective of their castes, religions or provinces by providing them specific relief and financial subsidies.
[color="#800080"](1. A christoislamic nation with an openly christoislamic govt will not reciprocate such a secular stance towards a then-minority of heathens. Even the cryptochristian govt of today is openly, unashamedly one-handed in its systematic discriminatory dealings towards Hindus, though these still constitute a numerical majority. Hindus' religion is *already* openly persecuted by the crypto-christogovt. Imagine an openly-christoislamic nation.
2. Ramdev's trackback re-wording nothwithstanding, yet in the intial statement he's supposed to have made - which, assuming he truly stated it, no amount of handwaving and claims to ignorance can withdraw now - Ramdev specifically recognised and supported the recognition of the new construct of christoislamic "dalits", one which he should be able to work out will only provide more incentives for rice christianism and eventually lead to more christoislamic terrorism against Hindus owing to an increase in christoislamic demographics.
3. Just because he finds ['such'] conversions reprehensible is not going to stop the enemies from continuing to pursue just that. Worse, his statements on christoislamic 'dalits', if implemented, will merely fans the flames of exactly such conversions.)[/color]
Swami Ramdev
Patanjali Yogpeeth (Trust)
Administrative Office: Patanjali Yogpeeth, Maharashi Dayanand Gram, Delhi-Haridwar National Highway, Near Bhadarabad, Haridwar-249405, Uttarakhand, India http://www.bharatswabhimansamachar.in/wp...ficial.jpg
Feeding the canker is so obviously a very good idea.
atire:What's really sad - and unfair, and angering - is none of these people will ever be around to take responsibility for their utterly irresponsible remarks and for the weight such things carry owing to their influence and which could hence be brought down to bear on Hindus' future. They may never know how, decades or a century or perhaps several centuries hence, their ill-advised and dangerous meddling in favour of inimical ideologies sharply contributed to the demise of Hindus' heathenism. Their actions marking milestones in the lead up to The Fall of genuine Hindu religion (not counting new-ageisms that may spring up by that name in future).
You know, the way Licinius - who once helped his co-emperor Constantine in beginning the Wipe-out of Hellenismos - didn't know the extent which his betrayal had brought to Hellenismos.
Most convenient then, that a human lifespan does not often exceed a centenary. And most convenient not to know the guilt one personally bears in making victims out of future generations. One need never learn how much one is to blame for the loss of everything worthy and good.
But, back to his "argument": So, one must utterly indiscriminately prop up the case for "The Poor"?
OK, but then (Indiscrimate being the word):
- Let's not forget the Poor among the illegally infiltrated Bangladeshi and TSP muslims. They're massively poor (they're also massively plotting jihad. But that is of no concern as per Ramdev's sole criteria for consideration.)
- Or the poor among the jihadi Lashkar-e-Toiba (or whatever) operating in Kashmir and other jihadi outfits in the country
and the poor among the christoterrorist outfits like NLFT/etc.
- And what about the number of poor among any actual criminals justly serving time in Indian prisons???
And why stop at India? Since Tolerance For Intolerance is the slogan - we care not Who these people are brainwashed to kill or oust, and how many more they will massacre when they are empowered through further money into multiplying and doing propaganda and enlisting for soldiery in the jihad-crusade -
then, what about the poor unemployed among the neo-nazis in the west? Or let's just go back in time, and plead for the Poor Nazis (Germany's economical slump after WWI was one of the factors congenial to nazism in Germany.)
Poverty is the only criteria after all, not whether any of the poor are ideologically safe to society... I.e. whether a parasite deserves to be fed along with the host...
Come to think of it, there were many poor European christo conquistadors and dirt-poor christo soldiers who conquered the New World for That Excuse For Evil: The Non-existent Jeebus. (Europe's greed for expansion and to raise itself from poverty is what made it look for gold and seek opportunism in the New World.) In contrast, the native Americans were by all accounts prosperous - more than enough to share their food repeatedly with the hostile invasion force and then get "rewarded" for their unthinking and regrettable generosity by being genocided.
The native Americans fed and supported their christo-enemy into sufficient strength to destroy their heathen benefactors. Rather like what Ramdev stands poised to do.
While native Americans didn't know better - not having a knowledge of christo history to hand, the way the Ramdevs and Hindus can know their enemy ideologies today - for Hindus to do the same now is to once more emphasise one of the famous lines from the SW spoof Spaceballs: [color="#0000FF"]"And now you know why Evil always wins: because Good is dumb."[/color] (If a line is true, it doesn't hurt repeating it)
Sensible people - you know, the kind that's less likely to extinct - would be good/kind only to those who are good to you, or at least have done none harm (compare with christoislamism which has in some manner destroyed *every* population it has come into contact with). You owe enemies no courtesy and no consideration. And deadly parasites you particularly owe Nothing.
Assuming Ramdev actually made such statements, then whatever his motivations are - despite flowery words and rosy notions - if his followers continue to support this, they *will* be signing their own death warrants.
One of the comments taken from the first HK link of this post:
Quote:GSK Menon
21/05/2012 02:51:37 A Most Dangerous Move
[color="#0000FF"]This is the problem with Hindu Swamis, Gurus and Matas, once they start getting foreign money and white skinned devotees it is goodbye to Hinduism. Thereafter, these people bowing to foreign influence start praising foreign godmen, and start airing biased views about Hinduism.[/color] Baba Ramdev is displaying the same sympotms. How can there ever be a Dalit Muslim or Christian ? The eye wash of equality projected by these two desert religions is a mere ploy to get more converts into their fold and increase their demographic power. Dalits, even after conversion are ill treated by these foreign godmen followers. Will it be ever possible to have a Dalit Pope in Rome or a Dalit Imam in Mecca ? Simply impossible. Baba Ramdev may perform body circus efficiently but his intellectual capacity appears to be of a low calibre. What his mind could not achieve has been compensated by his body antics. He brought great discredit to all Yoga teachers by trying to escape as a lady. [color="#800080"](Wow, what? Really? Then I guess next time - when this is called Mughalistan - the escape will be in a burkha?)[/color] His sheer cowardice was a major embarassment to all Hindus. Let him confine himself to being a yoga teacher, politics is too much of an intellectual pursuit for him.
Death to traitors.