Implications of expanding Indian success in the west

[Guest]

The college graduate data is important, because the first generation college grad rate of 70% and the second gen of 65%

is higher than the jewish rate of 60%

Indians, because of geography, have come later and are relatively less. As per estimates Indians are about 2+ million, and Jews are 6+ million. The nature of legal immigration of Indians into USA means only graduates enter into USA from India. So are we comparing apples to oranges here?

[HareKrishna]

Its surprising that India and surrounding countries have a very similar iq,an uniformity

while other regions in th eworld have large iq differences.

Yet outside india there are huge differences of iq between indians in different countries.

[agnivayu]

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='23 July 2010 - 05:37 PM' timestamp='1279886344' post='107586']

There is no white oppression in America.Black and amerindiands are poor because their low iq.

The superior iq of jews and chinese from Malaysia is bigger then that of oppressors and allow them to go around oppression.

Indians dont have iq of 112,only is IT graduates have and maybe brahmins.

Indians have only good memory,not big iq.



Is a good thing that europeans decrease in number.The problem is that tropicals make many childrens and suffocate the planet.

Europeans should forbid the migrations of tropicals(and allowed only under certain conditions)'and mimic the Japanese and start making robots .If tropicals don't want to decrease their number of childrens,forced sterilization could be a solution.

[/quote]

Standard White racist comments I have heard before. But we were told for decades that we are inferior in intellect to the White man, so now you are saying some of us are smart but not all. Well, I have met many dumb Whites with very low IQ, so it goes without saying that in every race there are smart and dumb people. If you don't believe me just travel to the Bible belt, it shouldn't take too long to find them.

BTW, memory is part of intelligence, because it allows you to remember previous actions so you can improve on them.



Forced sterilization of tropicals?, well the Brit's tried it with forced starvation in India. I think we can start with some of our dumber Albino Polar cousins first.

[agnivayu]

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='23 July 2010 - 10:53 PM' timestamp='1279905339' post='107590']

Its surprising that India and surrounding countries have a very similar iq,an uniformity

while other regions in th eworld have large iq differences.

Yet outside india there are huge differences of iq between indians in different countries.

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I think Eastern and Southern Europeans have a lower IQ than Northern and Western Europeans.

[HareKrishna]

[quote name='agnivayu' date='24 July 2010 - 09:32 AM' timestamp='1279943681' post='107596']

I think Eastern and Southern Europeans have a lower IQ than Northern and Western Europeans.

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yes,this is true.

the facts show that's so.

[HareKrishna]

[quote name='agnivayu' date='24 July 2010 - 07:17 AM' timestamp='1279935589' post='107595']

Standard White racist comments I have heard before. But we were told for decades that we are inferior in intellect to the White man, so now you are saying some of us are smart but not all. Well, I have met many dumb Whites with very low IQ, so it goes without saying that in every race there are smart and dumb people. If you don't believe me just travel to the Bible belt, it shouldn't take too long to find them.

BTW, memory is part of intelligence, because it allows you to remember previous actions so you can improve on them.



Forced sterilization of tropicals?, well the Brit's tried it with forced starvation in India. I think we can start with some of our dumber Albino Polar cousins first.

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Well,you find the apples.

Everybody know that are dumb whites and smart blacks.We talk about averages here.John have an iq of 110 and George has 90.Their average iq is 100.Average.

There is only limited correlation between iq and memory.If it was total correlation,the autists will be the smartest.



Sterilization is not the same thing as extermination(as brits did it).

We know that dumb albinos have more childrens the smart albinos.This situation must stop.The Singapore model(stimulation of high iq) should expand to all.

[agnivayu]

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='24 July 2010 - 01:28 PM' timestamp='1279957814' post='107599']

Well,you find the apples.

Everybody know that are dumb whites and smart blacks.We talk about averages here.John have an iq of 110 and George has 90.Their average iq is 100.Average.

There is only limited correlation between iq and memory.If it was total correlation,the autists will be the smartest.



Sterilization is not the same thing as extermination(as brits did it).

We know that dumb albinos have more childrens the smart albinos.This situation must stop.The Singapore model(stimulation of high iq) should expand to all.

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So your assertion is that Indians have a lower IQ than Whites (presumably like yourself). Ok, please rest on your laurels, FYI as for your attempt at breaking our confidence it failed.

Also since we talking averages here, I think that Eastern and Southern Europeans have a lower iq on average than Western Europeans. There must be a study out there to prove it.

[shamu]

[quote name='HareKrishna' date='23 July 2010 - 10:53 PM' timestamp='1279905339' post='107590']

Its surprising that India and surrounding countries have a very similar iq,an uniformity [/quote]

That is because they are all slowly recovering from colonial rule and are yet to properly feed and educate their entire population. What is to be noticed is that when Indians get well fed and properly educated, their IQ overtakes those of white Europeans and Jews, as we can see among second generation Indians in the US.

[agnivayu]

[quote name='shamu' date='25 July 2010 - 01:56 AM' timestamp='1280002709' post='107610']

That is because they are all slowly recovering from colonial rule and are yet to properly feed and educate their entire population. What is to be noticed is that when Indians get well fed and properly educated, their IQ overtakes those of white Europeans and Jews, as we can see among second generation Indians in the US.

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yes, U.S. is a good "testing" ground for comparing ethnicities as the background environment is the same so every race has an equal opportunity to succeed or fail.

[G.Subramaniam]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/busine...lobal-home



As you start reading the comments, things will start to get clear

[G.Subramaniam]

[quote name='Swamy G' date='23 July 2010 - 07:47 PM' timestamp='1279894186' post='107588']

Indians, because of geography, have come later and are relatively less. As per estimates Indians are about 2+ million, and Jews are 6+ million. The nature of legal immigration of Indians into USA means only graduates enter into USA from India. So are we comparing apples to oranges here?

[/quote]



The second generation is IQ after regression to mean and here, Hindus are beating jews in college admission rate

65% to 59%

Soon they can no longer claim that it is due to college educated immigrant parents

[G.Subramaniam]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/...71898.aspx



Unjoin the dots

Sagarika Ghose

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July 13, 2010

First Published: 23:04 IST(13/7/2010)

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Indian ‘dotheads’ with their multiple-armed, elephant-nosed gods have taken over the once pure white American town of Edison, New Jersey and destroyed the memories of innocent white boyhood. That’s the



burden of Joel Stein’s controversial article in Time magazine that led to so much uproar

among the Indian

American community that Time and Stein were forced to apologise. But while Indian Americans have expressed their outrage at Stein’s ‘humour’ and asked why a mainstream publication like Time should publish such an article, there’s also an argument that Indians should learn to take themselves less seriously.





Our gods, after all, are multiple-armed and elephant-nosed, our food is often spicy to the exclusion of taste, and the dots and dashes on our foreheads can look hilarious to those not used to seeing them. The lesson is actually quite simple. Want to live and work in a globalised marketplace? Learn to be less hung up about ‘culture’ and identity. Want to wallow in identity and culture? Don’t venture out beyond home.



Yet the cultural balance of power between Indians and America is lopsided. Middle-class urban Indians adore America. American soft power envelops us in the manifold pleasures of its soaps, music, education, clothes, movies, thinkers, books, even worldview. If the colonial caricature of the 20th century was the dark-skinned desi babu in a three-piece suit who saw himself as a white Englishman, then the post-colonial caricature of the 21st century could be the American-speaking urban Indian who sees himself as a white American, even though he may be a resident of Mumbai or Bangalore.



The Sprite ad, in which an Indian jungle explorer distributes Sprite to black-skinned tribals, shows to some extent how the Indian — particularly the elite Indian — continues to identify himself with the Indiana Jones discourse of the white man surrounded by strange natives. No wonder there is personal anguish when this Americanised Indian with his secret belief in his own white-ness, with his Indiana Jones posters and Bob Dylan CDs, finds that sections of opinion in the very country from which he draws so much of his identity, actually sees him as a ‘dothead’ who worships bizarre gods. The feelings of exclusion are immense.



Yet when it comes to America, Indians have always voted with their feet. Even at the height of the Cold War, more than a million Indians lived in the US. Almost every middle-class family today has a family member living in America, the rich, educated Indian American community is the fastest growing ethnic group there. Such names as Indra Nooyi, Sanjay Gupta, Jagdish Bhagwati, Vikram Pandit are justly celebrated in India as aspirational figures. But cultural ‘sacrifices’ are required along the way to achieve the American dream. Namrata Randhawa had to change her name to Nikki Haley and convert from Sikhism to be an acceptable ‘American’. Politician, Piyush Amrit Jindal goes by the name Bobby and it would be unthinkable perhaps for any Indian American public personality to be seen as recognisably non-Western.



The distinctive cultural traits of the Italian American or an Irish American are far more acceptable in the American salad bowl than the distinctive cultural markers of the Indian American. Bollywood and vindaloo have not become as much part of America as Italian contributions like the opera or pizza. The Indian diaspora is high-achieving but has not really contributed significantly to American pop culture, perhaps because elephant-nosed gods and dots on the forehead are just so completely at odds with the underlying assumptions of American society. Thus Indians in America need to be ironed into culturally neutral brain banks and professional high achievers, whose ‘elephant-nosed’ identity is best practised ‘in secret’ at home.



So while the globalised economy knits communities from India and the West ever closer, India’s cultural integration into the global society is still a work-in-progress. Indian ghettos in Western countries are so paranoid about losing their culture, so stubbornly refused to change their dress, behaviour and mentality that naturally the majority looks on them with derision and hostility. Surely the process of integration can be a more gentle swap of cultures where mutual give and take enriches both immigrant and host. Analysts pointed to an upsurge in hankering for white ancestors that accompanied the Obama presidency. America’s first black president was compared to Lincoln, FDR and Kennedy to somehow ameliorate the tectonic change in the top job. The Time article, in its wistfulness for the lost white town shows a similar nostalgia for the pre-multicultural era.



Just as the Maharashtrian finds the North Indian sometimes objectionable, or the Kannadiga has trouble with the Haryanvi code of conduct on buses, Indian communities have still not managed to distinguish between cultural identity and cultural assertion. Its ridiculous to expect that a fierce and noisy attachment to identity will be welcomed by the host country or state. Of course it won’t.



We Indians protest loudly at the depiction of gods and depictions of Gandhi, but we hardly embody the dignified ways of the truly cultured. We protest that our thousand-year-old traditions are being denigrated. Yet in taste and lifestyle we embody the worst forms of aggressive newly-rich downright uncultured behaviour.



As Stein writes in his article, it’s one thing to have immigrants who are genteel doctors and engineers, quite another to be swamped by hordes of raucous ‘dotheads’ who overwhelm local mores by sheer force of numbers. India’s integration into Western societies shouldn’t mean becoming dark-skinned imitations of white people nor should it mean propagating a raucous ostentatious Indian ‘culture’. Instead, let’s exemplify the spirit and not the outward form of our elephant-nosed multiple-armed pantheon: the spirit of grace, wisdom, and being unafraid to be thought of as a little eccentric. Such godly self-belief will make integration much less painful!



Sagarika Ghose is Deputy Editor, CNN-IBN



The views expressed by the author are personal

[G.Subramaniam]

2009 US census survey



College rate / Median Household income



Indian = 70.7% / 90400

Chinese minus Taiwan = 51.2% / 69200

Taiwan = 74.1% / 81600

Korean = 52.7% / 52000

White = 29.3% / 53100

Filipino = 47.2% / 78000





Pakistan = 53% / 61500

Bangladesh = 49.1% / 46600



Indian / White Median income ratio = 1.7

[G.Subramaniam]

http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011



US welfare rate by country of origin



UK = 7%

India = 19%

Canada = 24%

Korea = 25%

Philipines = 30%

Russia = 30%

China = 35%

Pakistan = 35%

Peru = 40%

Vietnam = 50%

[rhytha]

Not sure if this can go here, but here is Mr.Venkat dissing astrology&homeopathy quite predictably out <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



[size="4"]Nobel laureate Venki calls astrology a fake discipline[/size]



CHENNAI: Nobel laureate Dr Venkatraman Ramakrishnan provoked a few and enthralled many with his talk on 'The Sceptical Scientist' in the city on Thursday. He termed astrology and alchemy fake disciplines that depended on the power of suggestion and said homeopathy was based on belief. Terms like 'positive and negative energy' used by various "quacks were complete mumbo jumbo" and had no precise meaning, he said. Science, he added, had a particular definition of energy.



Delivering the 2nd S V Narasimhan Memorial Oration, organised by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, Dr Ramakrishnan said that just as good system of government guarded people from their worst instincts, the process of science "protects us from our biases and irrationality." "Scientific methods protect us from the danger of false beliefs. No system that does not incorporate proper testing, criticism from peers and other checks of modern science can claim to be 'scientific' regardless of the scientific jargon used," he said.



Quoting examples from history, such as disproving of Fleischman-Pons ideas of nuclear fusion at room temperature (cold fusion) and Linus Pauling's claim that huge doses of vitamin C can keep away cancer.



He said beliefs persisted despite data, adding that hundreds of website and news articles continue to come out on cold fusion and benefits of vitamin C. To pass the test, prescribed procedure or medicine should be the actual cause of the cure and not a coincidence or due to an unrelated occurrence.



Dr Ramakrishnan said homeopathy had been advocated for life-threatening diseases like AIDS and cancer, for which there are real effective medicines, while astrology can be abused and used to influence decisions. "Both can lead people away from taking more effective actions based on logic and contemplation. A culture based on superstition will always do worse than that based on science," he said. He added that doctors could, however, use the power of suggestion to enhance the effect of their medicine.



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/...299700.cms

[G.Subramaniam]

I am going to repost, what has been posted on news.yahoo.com

following wins by Indians in Spelling bee and Geographic bee



These posts, show the real hatred, which lots of whites feel against successful Indians, but dont say to their face

[G.Subramaniam]

*Roger • Monroe, North Carolina •

She prolly stinks like yesterday's curry that's leftover - Why do people from third world turd countries win these competitions, time to stop immigratants from third world countries into our borders



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Jack •

Then please marry her and take her back to India.



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IggyPopulist •

Jug Dish wins!

How proud we are as Americans!



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GoodCitizen •

Indians and Chinese are good at Memorizing huge stacks of books.At the same time, they are incapable of comprehending the essence of what they are Mugging. Only the Anglo Saxon Race has genuine and real scientific temper and the DNA to innovate, create, invent and discover all of Mankinds greatest scientific accomplishments. If you want just visit India and see how it assaults your senses. I have been there and the shocking Poverty, Pollution, Slums, Dirt, Squalor and humiliation that they suffer is beyond my ability to describe.

[G.Subramaniam]

continued from above

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Robert • Grand Rapids, Michigan •

oh if we could only all be born with mutations mutated from Albinism over generations so we'd all look like white people with the diverse eye and hair colors, light skin...gee if only the Indian winner was an ALBINO, then GEE, all comments would be so supportive

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T.J. •

Alright Alright Indians, we get it. You know how to spell. Golf clap for you. Let's just rename Spelling Bees to Spelling Habibis and get it over with. Every other week I gotta see a little Kumar winning another spelling bee. Snore...



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Neha •

Wow! it amazes me to see all these negative comments just because she is an Indian-American to win the title. I am sure (after reading all these negative comments) that had she been a white student, all these comments would have been filled with appreciation and praise

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Robert • Grand Rapids, Michigan •

Indians make whites feel the same way whites make blacks and Latinos feel. So now whites know how blacks and Latinos feel.



Indians are the ONLY people on earth who rain on all the white parades! Whites say dark people are dumb, inferior (Indians rain on that parade). Whites say dark people can't do good in academics (Indians rain on that parade). Whites say dark people have high crime rates (Indians rain on that parade). Whites say dark people have never built any impressive civilization in ancient times (Indians rain on that parade). Whites say dark people have low-income (Indians rain on that parade). Whites say dark people have broken families, single moms, unstable households (Indians rain on that parade).

[G.Subramaniam]

Above continued



John •

because i have seen that indians are calculating, plotting people, they know how to take other people's things from them unfairly,



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John •

but i thought it was american competition, why so many indians competing ?



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Pacman • Columbus, Ohio •

I wonder if she can spell "Dunkin Donuts" or "Motel".



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Justin • Houston, Texas •

we shouldnt allow them in this country!



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Waco •

Indians are always cleaning house in this contest. It amazes me because back in India they still have not figured out spell MAX CAPACITY for their boats, ferries, and trains.



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John •

i noticed crowd favorite was Greenberg because she was white/jewsh american, whereas many americans do not linke chinese and indians now because they have taken american jobs,



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Mickey •

The Spelling Bee is a load of crap. What practical use can come out of the ability to spell words like "guetapens" and "schwarmerei?" Meanwhile, Americans can't spell simple everyday use words,

[G.Subramaniam]

Above continued



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Homer • Iaeger, West Virginia •

Another victory for the Great Cow....stupid Indian garbage dump!!! Now export them back to IT!!!



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Rob • New York, New York •

First, Congrats to the Indian American winner...yes she is American and thank God this country can overcome the stupidity of some but growing number of its people and have a system that allows hard work to be rewarded. Now to the racist comments...isn't it ironic that whites point to preferences for black and hispanics but when they can't compete on merits..they still

play the race card!- Full 360 there.



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Scott • Phoenix, Arizona •

A Dothead wins a spelling bee---Where's the story?? Like a Kenyan winning a marathon OR US Presidency.



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Alexander • New York, New York •

American born kids may not win the spelling bee, but they will be the CEOs, Directors, and managers of the companies where these smart kids will work some days, and will get 300 times better salaries than these kids. Reality hurts badly, isn't it?



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