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<b>ADDED:</b>
Subramania Stothram on Murugan/Kumaran sung by Bombay Sisters
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Best part of the day for me:
Planned on uploading a song once every ten days. But then I thought: Hey, life is short. So I uploaded them today itself. May they make everyone happy <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> .

<b>In Regional Languages</b>
Tamil:
- Vinayakar Kavacham - sloka on Vinayaka, that is Ganapathi, sung by MSS
- Saravana Bhava Guhaney - carnatic song on Muruga, that is Shanmuga/Sharavana/Guha, sung by MSS

Telugu:
- Jo Achyuthananda Jo Jo Mukunda - carnatic song (lullaby for baby Krishna) sung by MSS
One of the lullabies my mother, aunt and grandmothers used to sing us to sleep with <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Bharatvarsha might know this.

Hindi:
- Hanuman Chalisa - bhajan rendition of Tulsidas' shloka sung by MSS

<b>In Samskritam</b>
- Ganesha Pancharatnam sung by MSS (at link found by Sridhar K, which also has MSS' Madhurashtakam on Krishna)
- Mahishasura Mardhini sung by Bombay Sisters
- Siva Panchaksharam sung by MSS (not from CD, but a recording, but the quality is good enough)
- Durga Pancharatnam sung by MSS
- Lakshmi Ashtothram sung by MSS
- Sri Saraswati Stothram sung by Sulamangalam sisters
- Dasavatharam-Gita Govindam - sung by MSS (about the 10 avatarams as indicated in the title)
- Sri Aditya Hridayam sung by Sulamangalam sisters
- <b>X</b> Ananda Natanaprakasam - one of the Panchabhutams (5 elements, 5 Lingams). This one is Ether I think, about the Great God Nataraja dancing. Sung by Bombay Jayashree. Becomes very beautiful on multiple listens. Singing starts at 40 sec mark. (Give it a try, it's got nice Indian ambient background music to accompany it.) Dedicated to Bodhi.
- Sri Hanumanthashtakam sung by Sulamangalam sisters

Sorry for the absence of songs in Kannadam. Forgot that I never got that CD from my sister. (The only one I have here in Kannada is my sister singing the most beautiful rendition of Yaare Rangana. But my sister would make sure I speedily ended up in Elysium if I dared to upload that <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). There is a version of Yaare Rangana in musicindiaonline for those interested. I can record that in mp3 if anyone would like me to.

Later on, will add a couple more songs and shlokas in Tamil and Telugu, and maybe some other Panchabhutams.

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Husky,
Thanks a lot, excellent collection. Just burnt one CD. Made my day. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Bharatvarsh]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bharatvarsha might know this.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ya I know it, don't remember anyone singing it for me but it is a popular lullaby in AP.

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Probably the final post about this (for the foreseeable future, anyway) from me:

<b>Tamil:</b>
- Vinayakar Agaval - shloka in Tamil, sung by MSS
- Karpaga Vinayaka - Carnatic song in Tamil, sung by MSS. The CD sounded old, but I still love it.
- Muruga Muruga - Carnatic song sung by MSS. First 3 minutes is improvising in the Raagam. At 3:00 the actual song starts. The meaning of the song is that how, by just saying 'Muruga, Muruga', one's heart starts melting. Muruga, Muruga <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
- Kurai Onrum Illai - title means (roughly) 'I want for nothing', moving Carnatic song about Krishna. Sung by MSS.

<b>Tamil & Telugu:</b>
- Thazh Sadaiyum ~ Entamatramu - two Carnatic songs to Bhagavan. The first in Tamil about Venkataachalapathi, the second in Telugu. So very beautiful. How very beautiful and touching these languages are. I get very moved just listening to this one.

<b>Telugu:</b>
- Natanalabharamayaku - Carnatic, on Venkataachalapathi I think, sung by MSS.

Another Panchabhutam song in <b>Samskritam:</b>
- <b>X</b> Jambhupathe - Jalam Lingam. Lord Jambukeshwara (and his wife's name, The Mother, is also mentioned, of course <!--emo&:clapping--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clap.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='clap.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) Bombay Jayashree singing in carnatic style, but once again with pleasant ambient accompaniment.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ya I know it, don't remember anyone singing it for me but it is a popular lullaby in AP.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->IMO, Telugu itself is like a beautiful lullaby. I wish I knew the language. Most of the lullabies my parents and other relatives sang were in Tamil - all of which I love. But I remember there was another famous Telugu one (written for baby Rama) among them.

[Bharatvarsh]

Husky that lullaby you referred to was evidently a contribution of Annamacharya, no lullaby about Rama comes to my mind right now but here is a famous movie song that's one of the best lullaby songs ever written in Telugu:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But, of all his songs, his lullaby “Vata Patra Sayiki” from Swati Mutyam is compellingly magnificent. It can proudly stand in the same stead as Annamacharya’s centuries old “Jo Achutananda”.

The song is based on the simple universal axiom SiNaRe used as the recurring theme in his Vishwambhara – even the mightiest has a simple origin. Even Gods need mothers, fathers and their doting.

Here he uses a magic wand to convert the mighty gods into adoring babies, and puts them in laps of their mothers and guardians for the daily dose of singing. Let’s eavesdrop.

The word “Laali” means lullaby, in the movie, it is sung while giving the baby the morning shower.

Ilaya Raja chose a befitting orchestra, almost entirely made of two brass cymbals and one flute! Kalyana Rama likes Veena, so he adds a little flourish before invoking Him. Janaki's voice overflows with mother's love. SiNaRe uses a very simple construct to make it easy for everyone to memorise and sing.

The rhyming words on each line (e.g. Vatapatra rhymes with Varahala, Rajeeva rhymes with Ratanala and so on) make it easy to remember the song, and inherently musical even in the voice of an untrained singer.

VaTapatra (Banyan Leaf) saayiki (Vishnu) Varahaala (Jewels) laali
raajeeva nEtruniki (Lotus Eyed, Sri Rama ) Ratanaala (diamonds) laali
muripaala (adorable) Krishnuniki (Krishna) mutyala (pearls) laali
jagamElu swamiki (ruler of the universe) pagaDaala (corals) laali

“Here is a precious lullaby of jewels to the baby Vishnu
lying on a Banyan leaf,
a song of diamonds to the Lotus Eyed boy,
a song of pearls to the adorable Krishna,
and a song of corals to the ruler of the universe“

In Tamilnadu, Lord Vishnu is depicted as an infant relaxing on a banyan leaf, toe in his mouth, with all his glory in full view.

The mother mentions jewels, diamonds, pearls and corals as an indirect reference to the value she attaches to her baby. Precious songs for her precious baby.

kalyana (auspicious) raamuniki kaushalya (Rama’s mother) laali
yEdhu (goatherds) vamsha (race) vibhuniki (king) yashOda laali

Kausalya, little Rama’s loving mom, sings him a lullaby.
For the Prince of Yadavas, Krishna, his beloved mom Yashoda sings the lullaby.

kari raaja (elelphant king) mOkhuniki (face) giri tanaya (Parwati) laali

For the elephant faced cute little baby Ganesha, his dear mom, daughter of the hills, Parwati sings the lullaby.

paramamamsha bhavanuki (the creator of the universe) paramaatma ( creator’s creator) laali

SiNaRe here momentarily takes a big leap from mythology to philosophy, and reminds, even to the creator of the universe, his creator sings a comforting lullaby.

alamElupatiki (husband of Alamelu) Annamayya (Sri Annamacharya) laali

Husband of Alamelu c/o Annamayya. Marrying two women doesn’t seem to work. Not atleast in the singing department. Annamayya’s song is the solace from their daily bickering.

KodanDa Raamuniki (Bhadrachala Srirama) gOpayya (Ramadasu) laali

But, to the ever loving, most compassionate Ramayya at Bhadragiri does not have such issues. Since Mother Kausalya is so far away in Ayodhya, Ramadasu has taken up the local singing duty.

Symalaanguniki (Sri Rama) syamayya (Syama Sastri) laali

And Syama Sastri has taken up the singing duties for the Lord down South in Kanchi.

aagamarutuniki (Rama) Thygayya (Saint Tyagaraja) laali

And finally, Saint Tyagaraja does the honors for Sri Rama again.

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If you want to listen then go here:

http://www.raaga.com/channels/telugu/mov...00060.html

Go to the song "Laali Laali".

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Thanks Bharatvarsh, I will listen to Laali Laali. (For some reason I thought Illayaraja was from Tamil Nadu.)

Just listened. It's very sweet. I can see why it became very famous.

[Bharatvarsh]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->(For some reason I thought Illayaraja was from Tamil Nadu.) <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He is from TN but he also composes music for other South Indian movies, his father was Christian while his mother was a Hindu or maybe both were Christian but he is a great devotee of Ramana Maharishi and also the Kanchi Mutt, his full name is Daniel Ilaiyaraaja.

[Guest]

He is Tamilian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illayaraja

Interesting tidbit. He is born to Christian father but is a staunch Hindu and his Hindu disciple now known as AR Rahman became Muslim.

<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Jan 22 2007, 04:29 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Jan 22 2007, 04:29 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thanks Bharatvarsh, I will listen to Laali Laali. (For some reason I thought Illayaraja was from Tamil Nadu.)

Just listened. It's very sweet. I can see why it became very famous.
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>Symalaanguniki (Sri Rama) syamayya (Syama Sastri) laali

I doubt it is Sri Rama but Sri Krishna. Shyama Shastri didn't compose songs on Rama unlike Tyagaraja.

> aagamarutuniki (Rama) Thygayya (Saint Tyagaraja) laali

Is it "Aaga Marutu niki" or "Aagama Rutu niki"? Is it Rama?


BTW, I sing this song to my son. Beauty of that lullby is anybody including singing-challenged can sing to their kids.

[Bharatvarsh]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I doubt it is Sri Rama but Sri Krishna. Shyama Shastri didn't compose songs on Rama unlike Tyagaraja. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are correct but he didn't compose anything on Sri Krishna either, almost all his compositions are on the Devi, so it's probable that the song writer took a little poetic license when writing it.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Is it "Aaga Marutu niki" or "Aagama Rutu niki"? Is it Rama?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was wondering about the Rama reference as well, have no clue.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[Ilaiyaraaja] great devotee of Ramana Maharishi and also the Kanchi Mutt, his full name is Daniel Ilaiyaraaja.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Like him a lot. And what made me like him most, was when I read someone's IF post on how he refused to make music for a film on that periyar character, saying that he wouldn't work on a movie about someone who ridiculed his (Hindu) beliefs. It's not every Hindu who chooses principle (Dharma) over money.

I recall reading an article about the Carnatic singer Yesudas by the lovely Sandhya Jain. Yesudas was born to one or more Christian parents, but according to Jain's article, he is a Krishna bhakta.
I know of a few such cases in regular life too, but they all concern old-generation people who knew more about Hinduism (rather than the lies told about Hinduism in pseudo-education, in the psy-ops media and among the brainwashed converts of today) and were brought up in a largely Hindu Tamil Nadu. You can't easily take the Hindu out of the Indian population. Just like over 1.5 millennia of christoterrorism has not succeeded in taking the Hellenismos out of the Greeks. Natural religions will always survive, always return - Satyameva Jayate; and one day, there will cease to be any christoislamism. Just hoping for it to happen in my lifetime.

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>Symalaanguniki (Sri Rama) syamayya (Syama Sastri) laali

This translates to:
Shyamayya's Lullaby to the black body (Shyamala Anga)

I'm till not clear whether the black body is Rama or Krishna. I always thought it is Krishna. It could be Kumara swamy as Shyama Shastri composed songs on Muruga along with Kamakshi.

Dikshitiyar composed song on Ranganatha in which he refers the lord as Shyamalaanga. So there could be possible confusion.

> aagamarutuniki (Rama) Thygayya (Saint Tyagaraja) laali

Tyagayaa composed song on Hanumanth so this can translate to:

Tyagayya's lullaby to Mountain Monkey (Aaga Maruti)



<!--QuoteBegin-shyam+Jan 22 2007, 05:12 PM-->QUOTE(shyam @ Jan 22 2007, 05:12 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->>Symalaanguniki (Sri Rama) syamayya (Syama Sastri) laali

I doubt it is Sri Rama but Sri Krishna. Shyama Shastri didn't compose songs on Rama unlike Tyagaraja. 

> aagamarutuniki (Rama) Thygayya (Saint Tyagaraja) laali

Is it "Aaga Marutu niki" or "Aagama Rutu niki"?  Is it Rama?


BTW, I sing this song to my son.  Beauty of that lullby is anybody including singing-challenged can sing to their kids.
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Inspired by Husky, I thought I would share some more of my favourites.

1. Baal Kaand of Ram Charit Manas, of Sant Sri Tulsidas, sung by Mukesh beautifully in his naturally sweet & melodious voice. I can imagine how Manas may have contributed in a new Hindu awakening in Mughal era. Back in those days, when I was growing up in UP, Akashwani Lucknow used to broadcast Ram Charit Manas every morning (Not sure if they still do). Almost every friend/cousin of mine used to naturally remember by heart good parts of it. (This file is only part-1 of the Bal Kand - from Birth till arrival in Mithila for Sita Swayamvar. I have other Kaands sung by Mukesh as well, but files are huge, and would take very long to upload. I can upload if someone is interested, just let me know)

2. Bhaja Govindam, by Srimad Jagadguru Adi Sankar, sung by MS Subbulakshmi. After every stanza when it says 'Moodhmate' (Idiot?), it really stirs listener. The best part I like is the beginning where Adi Sankar says "Avatar Varishthaye Ramakrishnayate Namah" (chief amongst all Avatars, I bow to Rama and Krishna)

3. Guru Ashtakam, another immortal creation of Srimad Jagadguru Adi Sankar, sung by a sannyasi Ganapati Sachchidananda Swami. Each stanza ends with "Tatah Kim? Tatah Kim?" (So what? So what?). In first line, song mentions some great acheivement which people would consider really high, and in last line comes the hammer-like "Tatah kim" - "So what? If your heart is not in the lotus feet of a great Master?".

4. Vraje Vasantam Navaneeta Choram, great composition by Mahaprabhu Vallabhacharya, and rendered in typical Hindustani classical Haveli style by Pandit Jasraj. Woderfully sung. Throughout the song Krishna is called a thief by Gopikas, and the words 'Choram, Choram, Choram, Choram', create a sweet bhava, and soften the heart.

5. Chatur Arya Satyani, the famous upadesha of Bhagwan Buddha, from Sanyukta Nikaya of Dharmapada, sung very well by Vijay Prakash (tamil/telugu film singer?)

[Guest]

Thanks Bodhi,
Please also provide download link to Sunderkand in mp3 by Mukesh?

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Thank you very much Bodhi, <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> so far I've downloaded the last 3. Will download Bala Kanda of Ram Charit Manas tomorrow. (I already have Bhaja Govindam somewhere.)

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<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Jan 22 2007, 12:02 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Jan 22 2007, 12:02 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Probably the final post about this (for the foreseeable future, anyway) from me:

<b>Tamil:</b>was another famous Telugu one (written for baby Rama) among them.
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Good music.Take some time to download it but finaly succeded

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Honsol,

Are you interested in vedic/Ancient Hindu culture, watch <b>Mahabharat epic </b>for free, check this site www.rajshri.com.

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<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Jan 23 2007, 08:51 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Jan 23 2007, 08:51 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Honsol,

Are you interested in vedic/Ancient Hindu culture, watch <b>Mahabharat epic </b>for free, check this site www.rajshri.com.
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Thanks very much.I was looking for some time for this movie,especialy for Mahabharata and even more abt Ramayana movie(i dont know were can i find it).
I so some parts of Mahabharata 15 years ago when was on national TV .
But this was the exception,very rare i can see an indian movie here and usualy is a love story whit some guy Salam Khan which is not exactly my type of movie.

[acharya]

Indian women perfect art of public bathing in Ganges

The holy spot where the Ganges and Yamuna rivers meet is one of the few places in conservative India where strict rules on female dress are relaxed

Indian schoolteacher Kasturi Chhillar is not used to revealing much skin in public - except when she goes to cleanse her sins.

“We are all one here,” said Chhillar, 57, one of millions of Hindu pilgrims who have flocked to bathe in the Ganges river in the northern city of Allahabad during a major religious festival.

“Everyone is transported, lost in their own thoughts,” said the New Delhi resident. The holy spot where the Ganges and Yamuna rivers meet is one of the few places in conservative India where strict rules on female dress are relaxed - at least briefly.

Women pilgrims say there is no shame at the Ardh Kumbh Mela, or Half Pitcher festival - just tricky ways to change out of their wet clothing under the watchful eyes of hordes of men.

“We have so much shame at home. You think, ‘my petticoat is showing, better cover it up’,” said Manju Shaha, 60, from the north eastern state of Assam.

“Here one doesn’t feel bad. It’s the beauty of a sacred place.”

Several women say the trick to bathing in public - with men - is to at least give a nod to modesty, by jumping in the water fully dressed, or in a nightgown. Swimsuits are not seen here. As for changing later on, many women have adopted the ‘strength in numbers’ philosophy - many are seen huddling in groups to preserve their honour, unlike the men romping around in wet briefs.

“You pull your petticoat up to your chest and change under it,” said Shaha. “Or you hold a towel or cloth around you as you change.” Festival organisers have set up changing stalls for the women, but the massive crowds force many to get dressed in the open.

“There are moments when one gets a second of privacy and then one changes,” said Gauri Puri, an Italian devotee of the Juna order of Hinduism. Another said the answer was to wear extra-large sized clothes.

“When clothes are wet they stick to you so larger sizes are better,” said a California devotee of Baba Rampuri, a guru of the Juna order who also hails from the US west coast. Some change under a loose tunic known as a kurta, which should be large enough to provide maximum coverage.

“You end up getting everything wet but that is the price one pays for modesty,” she said. This year’s festival marks the halfway point of the major Kumbh Mela, which Hindus celebrate every 12 years in Allahabad, where ancient scriptures say a drop of the nectar of immortality landed after a 12-day celestial war.

By the time the current festival ends on February 16, more than 70 million pilgrims are expected to have bathed in the river. afp

[Bharatvarsh]

Mudy, you have any idea about the song "Putt Jattan de" (well it's on a lot of albums but I am talking in general, any idea when the song with that phrase came into being), is this a recent song or a really old one, any idea who first wrote it?