Delhi win is due to, Congress legalize unregulated colonies (also called as lal dora) before election, that will make lot of people very rich and Babu who live in New Delhi Muncipal area are happy with new pay raise. All other place Congress lost. It was not a big win for Congress, margin is very low. So those who cheering up Congress are day dreamers.
If you see for GE, it means Congress 4 BJP 3 seats.
In Raj, Congress was able to divide society based on OBC and ST, by pitting Gujjar and Meena, well this love affair will not last long. Very simple, now opposition will use same tool against them. So both loss are not a surprise.
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MP very big win for BJP is surprise, media tried to label it as Hindutava lab, but people rejected COngress and Uma Bharati. Uma Bharati effect was low, may be cost couple seats to BJP. Congress loss in this big state is big.
Chattisgargh is also great win, BJP is able to fight anti-incubuency very well. This maoist/Commie infested area had shown door to COngress once again.
It is a good news for Afzal and other Muslim terrorist group, now Pro terrorist-anti national Congress party will do nothing. Time for COngress party supporters to celebrate.
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New voters - illegal Bangladeshi, outsiders from delhi had given some advantage because of last minute perks and get rich over night. but main Delhi is still against Congress.
Let Congress think its OK for Muslims to blast Indias and attack temples, GE rsult will be very different. Delhi is just 7 GE seats, compare with MP and Chattisgarh which is big enchillada.
MP and CHattisgarh win is due to frequent terrorist attacks.
<!--QuoteBegin-ravish+Dec 8 2008, 12:35 PM-->QUOTE(ravish @ Dec 8 2008, 12:35 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes Arindum, despite the best efforts of Mudyji, Huskiji and a few others in this forum in highlighting the total failure of the Congress Party,its leaders and all associated with the establishment---the voters have again decided to give the chance to the Congress Party to run the show in Delhi ,Mizoram and Rajasthan.
They could not be wiped out from Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh. In these two States by winning 38 out of 90 and 73 out of 230 seats they will be able to provide a sizable opposition.Indeed a very sad day for many day dreamers and wishful thinkers.
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It means we have to work much harder to educate those are still sleeping or lacks understanding due to lack of education or ignorant or just dumb. If we can light one brain a day, it will be big achievement, lighting billion may take time. We believe in showing light to ignorant and direction to fools.
one fool at a time.
Don't forget we are able to educate international readers, we are real Ambassdor of India, telling whole world clear picture of India, no fooling.
politicsparty.com attributes Rajasthan & Delhi loss to ticket selling charges. Lets see if the separatists get voted for in J&K. Maybe people of India want to be led by Congress and similar parties. Its a popular verdict.
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Dec 8 2008, 10:55 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Dec 8 2008, 10:55 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->politicsparty.com attributes Rajasthan & Delhi loss to ticket selling charges. Lets see if the separatists get voted for in J&K. Maybe people of India want to be led by Congress and similar parties. Its a popular verdict.
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I won't call it popular vote, big chunk of population MP and Chattisgargh voted against Congress.
I agree, if those who voted for Congress and happy with its performance, they will get what they deserve.
Did BJP have a real chance in Delhi at all when one compares the results to last time its a marginal gain of 2 seats? If that was the real performance maybe they gave high expectations than reality.
So what were the factors for losing Rajasthan?
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So what were the factors for losing Rajasthan?
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In Delhi seat gain is 2 but voter kitty for BJP had increased, death of Sahib Verma contributed loss of seats in outer Delhi. Poorvi or Bangladeshi illegals need to be kicked out as BJP did by kicking out slums inside Janakpuri, Tilak Nagar, Safadarjung and other places. Congress use these slum to neuteralize urban votes, they prop them up with illegals. It took over 10 years to remove whole slum area near my home. Whole place was infested by Banagla deshi, crime increased and stink all over place, because they were using roads as toilets. They were stealing electricity, just before election whole place gets filled by drunks as Congress will distribute liquor. After removal of slum, congress never won any seat from my area. Sheila Dixit had done some good by continuing infrastucture projects started by BJP. BJP need to play COngress game, e.g. increase onion hoarding month before election or robberies before election.
Raj, is Meena and Gujjar fight created by Gujjar Congress man Rajest Pilot's son. Meenas are dominating force in administrative services. Meenas are not happy with Rajes decision to give reservation to Gujjar. Now Meenas and Gujjar had to fight with each other. Jat want Jat CM to keep control. It was all caste based.
Now BJP had to do, spark Meenas before GE.
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The Delhi Assembly polls, 2008 have, indeed, obliterated political conventions. This is proved by its results declared on Monday. As the Congress conquered the nationâs Capital for the third consecutive time, a study of the voting trends revealed the urban electoratesâ rising affections for the Grand Old Party.
Making a prominent dent in what was known as the âconventional BJP vote bank,â the Congress has been able to noticeably garner urban class votes by exhibiting surprising results in many urban dominated constituencies.
Against the general perception of urban voters sitting back home, discussing issues but not coming in out to vote; the noticeable turnout this year (around 55 per cent in New Delhi Parliamentary constituency alone, considered as a hub of urban electorate), that, too, in favour of Congress underscored an accomplishment of the development campaign led by the party. The much-touted inflation issue and the anti-incumbency factor against Congress also did not do much in persuading the voters to toe the BJP line. Contrary to its other claim of garnering votes on the aftermath of the Mumbai terror attacks, the high turnout of urban voters post-26/11, if anything, showed that the public seemed to want to maintain the status quo.
The important constituency, New Delhi, had two political stalwarts, Sheila Dikshit and VK Malhotra. The electorate was dominated by Government employees hailing from various states, Punjabi migrants and middle class voters. It also had in its ambit plush colonies like Kasturba Nagar, Malviya Nagar, New Delhi and Patel Nagar, which exhibited a Congress wave. The Kasturba Nagar constituency that unpredictably slipped into Congressâs enclosure elucidated a new criterion that has, apparently, defined the Delhi polls status. The Delimitation Commission that had confounded pundits played a decisive role in deciding the fate of the political status quo in Delhi. <b>The change in voters profile for a constituency, post-delimitation and the migration of urban voters from their vote bank base to places in the National Capital Region (NCR), has had its own ramifications.
The accretion of unauthorised colonies and JJ clusters into many of these constituencies, in addition, has made the electorate shift prominent. </b>
Subsequently, its scattered vote bank fell heavy on the saffron party that relied on its straight voters, blindfolded. A decent voting percentage turnout in urban areas notwithstanding, Congress did manage to bag prominent urban clusters defining new emerging disposition among this section of the populace. Dominated by educated urban voters, other constituencies of Jungpura, Model Town and Timarpur, also witnessed Congress leading the fray.
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JJ = Jhugi Jhopari.
JJ made difference. Now BJP should target these area and get rid of JJ to win.
<i>Kasturba Nagar, Malviya Nagar, New Delhi </i> = Govt employee houses. last minute salary increase really helped them.
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The Sadar Bazaar seat went to the Congress, whose Rajesh Jain crushed BJPâs Jaiprakash, with the former polling 47,502 as against the latterâs 33,411 votes. Congress also bagged the Vikaspuri constituency, where its candidate Nand Kishore defeated Krishna Gehlot of BJP by a narrow margin of <b>955 votes</b>. Prahalad Singh Sawhney of Congress came better of BJPâs candidate and the face of anti-sealing drive in Delhi, Praveen Khandelwal in Chandni Chowk by<b> 7,919 </b>votes.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Muslims and illegal Banladeshi voted for Congress, no surprise.
Vikas Puri should follow Janakpuri, Kirti Nagar and Tilak Nagar strategy, remove slums from their neighborhood.
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It means there are still lots of folks who do not equate BJP being nationalistic; or that it will keep security in mind.
BJP should have atleast roped in Amma in TN, it could not do. If a party aspires for greatness it should broker such deals - even with an eccentric lady. There are only two major players in TN.
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It is not a surprise that before the list of candidates of the BJP was announced party's internal surveys were showing that it's having an edge in New Delhi.
But the downslide started after the candidates were announced.
The BJP top brass still claims that Vijay Malhotra, party's chief ministerial candidate was not at all responsible for the defeat. <b>It's the weak selection of candidates that has cost dearly.</b>
Since the last few weeks, after every two days, the party was conducting internal surveys to assess the mood.
After the Mumbai attack, the BJP's prospects did improve but, the party now believes that if it had done more scientific and caste-friendly selection of candidates, Dixit would have had a tough time. While giving his assessment of the election results, Arun Jaitely told rediff.com that, 'The election results are a mixed bag. Each state is a separate election."
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What exactly has BJP done to educate common people about nationalism, national security or anything? Why do they consistently fail to connect these issues and present a case to aam aadmi?
I think aam admi does not want to think beyond his immediate future, and thus does not care : BJP or congress, same thing, he thinks. But the illegal bangladeshi and the muslim cares very much: no BJP, otherwise my ration cards/subsidy might go away! So even though aam admi pretty much votes 50/50, or even does not vote at all out of apathy, the illegal and the muslim do vote anti-BJP with a sense or religious duty. So net effect: predictable loss for BJP, with low ROI for educationsl programs.
BJP needs to eithr:
1. conciously appease hindus, I think, the way UPA appeases muslims/christians. Media and Kaangress will cry and shout, but hey, they already do that, so why not go the whole 9 yards with Hindu appeasement? I wont even call it appeasement, its our long overdue right!!
2. Do something about illegals.
I think option 1 is more doable than 2.
In the absence of any cause, the Hindus vote by caste and power dynamics. So appeasing will not take BJP a long way. And by the way how do we appease Hindus?
BJP should prepare young leaders. There are lot who are now interested to join BJP.
Both are doable.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Dec 9 2008, 06:37 AM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Dec 9 2008, 06:37 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->And by the way how do we appease Hindus?
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Like : Subsidies for pilgrimages, temples, control of hindu temples to hindus only, not mus/chris (this one is really removal of injustice), reservations, scholarships..
**And this is something BJP could say to psecs like Rajdeep Sardesai, who pride themselves on their angrezi:
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They are doing so much discussion on Delhi, which is very small state. Even my family was not interested to vote, lot of people just wanted to sit out. They were frustrated with inaction. GE will be different.
Major result was from Raj, MP and Chattisgarh.
I will still say, BJP had to do nothing, let Congress stick to its policy,<i> "Inaction itself is an action", </i>BJP will have last laugh.
48 hours is over, no action from Moron Singh.
<!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> In Delhi, Dr. Harshvardhan might have been better choice as CM aspirant.
Intersting observations on the election results
<b>The message of the December State Elections in India</b>
http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2008/12/0...tions-in-india/
<b>The farse of Indian Secularism</b>
http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/1629/
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