Reasons And Excuses For BJP's Loss

ramana · 05-18-2009, 05:56 AM

I think Bengal is on its turn to the right. Its fed up with the Commies and went for M Banerjee as only she was available.

In a way its coming back to mainstream after the disenchatment with SC Bose marginalization.

ramana · 05-18-2009, 05:58 AM

GS where are you gettng this data from and what was the seats impact in those states? And what was it in 2004?

dhu · (This post was last modified: 05-18-2009, 08:15 AM by dhu.)

Chidambaram wins after recount

Absolutely, they must be manipulating the results in their favor... After all, these are same fellows who blamed samjhauta blasts on army and framed a Shankaracharya for murder on Diwali day.

G.Subramaniam · 05-18-2009, 08:22 AM

QUOTE(ramana @ May 18 2009, 05:58 AM)GS where are you gettng this data from and what was the seats impact in those states? And what was it in 2004?
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http://www.eciresults.nic.in/

G.Subramaniam · 05-18-2009, 08:23 AM

The positive aspect of the TDP, PRP Loss

Since they are out of power for 10 years they will be out of funds

So if the BJP uses Bellary Reddy brothers billions
they can get a foothold in the empty opposition space

G.Subramaniam · 05-18-2009, 08:24 AM

QUOTE(dhu @ May 18 2009, 08:15 AM)Chidambaram wins after recount

Absolutely, they must be manipulating the results in their favor...Â After all, these are same fellows who blamed samjhauta blasts on army and framed a Shankaracharya for murder on Diwali day.
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I dont understand how you can have a recount with EVMs
there are no hanging chads
the count is done by computer

05-18-2009, 08:36 AM

EVM is Navin Chawla gift to Congress. Ofcourse this was complete cheating, same happened in Hoshiarpur, Punjab. Congress candidate won by 300 votes, ofcourse after EVM fix.
Corrupt Babus want to stick with corrupt leaders, others are minting money and making big hole in India.

05-18-2009, 11:24 AM

Cracks start appearing in NDA
QUOTEThe JD(U) leaders had also declined to sign a BJP-proposed "NDA agenda for governance" and the NDA did not hold a single meeting on common strategy in the run-up to the general elections.

Besides, JD(U), the only NDA constituent that is happy with the poll outcome is the Rashtriya Lok Dal (RLD) led by Ajit Singh, which has won five of the seven seats it had contested from western Uttar Pradesh in an pre-poll arrangement with the BJP.

However, the BJP did not gain from the alliance as its tally in UP remained unchanged at 10 seats.

The performance of Shiromani Akali Dal [Images] in Punjab, where it managed to win just 4 Lok Sabha seats, was the most dismal. Besides, the Asom Gana Parishad (AGP) in Assam was just reduced to one seat, while the Telengana Rashtra Samithi (TRS) won only two. The BJP had pinned its hopes of making substantial gains in these three states.

The Indian National Lok Dal (INLD) led by O P Chautala in Haryana, did not even win a single seat. A section of the BJP was opposed to return of INLD into the NDA fold and had opted for Bhajan Lal-led Janhit Party, which has managed to win one seat.

The Shiv Sena [Images] faired poorly in Maharashtra with just winning 11 seats.

However, the entry of the Gorkha Janmukti Morcha (GJMM), a small regional group from West Bengal into the NDA fold, had helped BJP's senior leader Jaswant Singh win from Darjeeling.

05-18-2009, 11:26 AM

150 tainted MPs in 15th Lok Sabha: Report

05-18-2009, 06:04 PM

there is something fishy about this recount of chidambaram.

Also i think everyone should make broader base and not depend on BJP alone for future.

Spreading the risks is much better.

G.Subramaniam · 05-18-2009, 06:56 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ May 18 2009, 11:24 AM)Cracks start appearing in NDA
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEThe JD(U) leaders had also declined to sign a BJP-proposed "NDA agenda for governance" and the NDA did not hold a single meeting on common strategy in the run-up to the general elections.

Besides, JD(U), the only NDA constituent that is happy with the poll outcome is the Rashtriya Lok Dal (RLD) led by Ajit Singh, which has won five of the seven seats it had contested from western Uttar Pradesh in an pre-poll arrangement with the BJP.

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The only one who is secular remaining in NDA is JD-U
JD-U has no choice but to lump it, in bihar the new caste equation is upper caste + muslim = 35%

I am sure that with the return of the orphaned OBC castes to hindu causes
there are plenty of local hindu issues

Capt M Kumar · (This post was last modified: 05-18-2009, 09:29 PM by Capt M Kumar.)

<img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grenade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='grenade.gif' /> Political circles were abuzz with reports that the BSP, which has 20 members in the new Lok Sabha, may offer outside support, to the government. There was no no word from BSP on this but Congress sources indicated that the two sides were in touch.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/S...how/4548275.cms

Maya and Cong both r being shrewd.
Maya wants to prevent entry of SP at center.
Cong does not need them and SP out lived it's utility.

At the same time, she is astute administrator:
In the first heads to roll following the below-expectation performance of BSP in Lok Sabha polls, Uttar Pradesh chief minister Mayawati
on Monday sacked Chairpersons and members of all state government corporations.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mayawat...how/4548398.cms

dhu · (This post was last modified: 05-18-2009, 10:24 PM by dhu.)

I don't undertsand this argument about Hindus punishing BJP by voting for Kangress. Both the kangressis and possible BJP supporters give same arguments of BJP's Kandahar episode. BJP's sin of omission at kandahar is somehow thousands times worse than UPA active anti-Hindu actions such as taking ban off SIMI after Mumbai attacks, manufacturing hindu terror allegations against indian army, etc. They will forgive the enemy who wishes them extreme harm but not one's own. I can understand 2004 as punishment for BJP, but then to continuously punish BJP even in 2009..... It is just masochist behavior..

ramana · 05-18-2009, 10:25 PM

Dhu, My dad used to say you can show your anger only against those who are weaker than yourself or tolerate you.

GS can you explain more what you mean by
QUOTEI am sure that with the return of the orphaned OBC castes to hindu causes
there are plenty of local hindu issues


Is this a plus or negative?

I think the madlaputras demise is good but at same time their disenchantment with Congress has to be made pro-BJP. How?

Husky · (This post was last modified: 05-18-2009, 11:57 PM by Husky.)

Perfect Murder.

This election will go down in history (christoarchive) as a christian miracle.
Like Constantine's alleged labarum. Like Julian's 'miraculous' death (murdered by christians).

1. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/cir...-was-there.html
QUOTEMonday, May 18, 2009
circumstantial evidence: Was there electoral fraud?
may 18th, 2009

actually, that's a bad question, akin to asking, "does ratzy do his thing in the woods?", and "is the bear catholic?"

sonia has taken care of the two women who wanted to be queen. as nehru said to jinnah, "hey, buddy, this town ain't big enough for the two of us. you want to be king, make a new kingdom." jinnah of course took this to heart.

a few judiciously placed doctored EVM (thanks, naveen chawla) and hey presto! both mayavati and jayalalitha are trounced.

sonia must have just loved plunging the knife into mayavati. i mean, after all, she's so, so... dark-skinned! unlike fair-fair priyanka-beti, for example.

especially because fraud in UP had the pleasant side-effect of getting the chatterati to declare that rahul-baba had demonstrated his great acumen and leadership skills by getting UP into the kkkangress kitty. whereas, here were the rest of us, who thought rahul-baba merely demonstrated that he really is dan quayle reincarnated.

naveen chawla ki jai. or jai ho. or whatever. he'll soon join m teresa in the queue of the blessed.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <info@

It cannot be a coincidence.

Whatever political party that was against the congress namely:

BJP
AIADMK
TDP
LEFT
LALOO
PASWAN
BSP
MULAYAM

All of them have been defeated in this election and only congress and its allies have won.

HOW THE HELL IS THAT IN SUCH AN UNPREDICTABLE ELECTION CONGRESS HAS MANAGED TO PULL ALL STOPS.
ISN"T IT A COINCIDENCE THAT NAVEEN CHAWLA IS THE CEC FOR THE ELECTIONS.

Navin Chawla"s. Without him, Congress would have bitten dust.

http://www.forum.ivarta.com/India-Electron...ible/474850.htm

Sena blames EVMs

http://election.rediff.com/report/2009/may...-malfuntion.htm

Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/18/2009 08:56:00 AM 0 comments 
Vatican: "And that is how you play India".

2. http://election.rediff.com/report/2009/may...-malfuntion.htm
QUOTESena alleges EVM malfunction in South Mumbai
Prasanna Zore in Mumbai
May 16, 2009 17:57 IST

The Shiv Sena's [Images] Mohan RawaleÂ has refused to accept defeat even as Milind Deora [Images] was declared the winner of the South Mumbai [Images] seat.Â

Rawale alleged that there was a problem with some EVMs and a complaint would be lodged with the Election Commission in this regard after consulting senior leaders of the Shiv Sena including executive president Uddhav Thackeray.

Rawale cited the examples of US and Indonesia where the use of EVMs has been stopped due their inconsistency." I wonder how i got only 5 votes from an area that is a Shiv Sena stronghold," the defeated candidate said. Replying to query, Rawale claimed that the MNS had not impacted the outcome. 

3. http://election.rediff.com/column/2009/may...her-stories.htm
QUOTEWinning elections made easy

Producing doctored EVMs is childâs play: Computer chips that control the EVMs can be easily programmed to do all kinds of improper manipulations. For example, after a certain number of people (perhaps hundreds) have voted, the rest of the votes may be channeled to a chosen candidate. This is just one among many mischievous tricks possible.

This kind of wrongdoing cannot be detected by the polling agents of candidates. It will take hundreds of votes, for which the presiding officers or polling officers are not likely to have the time or patience to monitor. Control-units keep track of votes by recognising them only by their serial number on the list of candidates on the poll-units on which people vote. So any tampering of the control-unit chip has to be done only after the serial number of various candidates in the list of candidates appearing on poll-units have been assigned.

Normally returning officers declare the serial number assignments after the last day of withdrawal of nominations, which happens about two weeks before polling. ROM chips with mischievous codes can be readied within hours after the candidatesâ serial numbers are known. During the two weeks before polling, the malicious ROM chips, or the motherboard, or possibly the whole control-unit, whatever appears easier, may be caused to replace the original ones. Would it be wise to assume that officials in charge of the EVMs, and/or those guarding the machines, are incorruptible? I would leave it as question for readers to ponder over. Luckily, this kind of possibility of a fraud before voting can be easily remedied. Instead of declaring the serial number of candidates two weeks in advance of polling, the serial numbers may be decided at each polling booth by random draws by the presiding officers in the presence of the polling agents of various parties just an hour or so before the poll opening. Thereafter their names may be affixed on the poll-units in appropriate order in the presence of the poll-agents. All that will need to be done by the POs is, paste them on the poll-units in proper order by the time the poll opens. This entails different serial orders for candidates in different booths.But that only improves fairness towards the candidates, distributing the chance to be at the top or bottom of the list more evenly.

Increasing the sense of responsibility of the presiding and polling officers at polling booths, could also be considered, by officially declaring all of them to have equal powers, with instructions to try to make decisions with unanimous consent, as far as possible.

The writer is president, Better Democracy Forum, The Bronx, New York. He is a retired professor of computer science 

4.
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/raj...termath-of.html
QUOTErajeev on rediff about the aftermath of the elections and possible EVM fraud
may 17th, 2009

http://election.rediff.com/column/2009/may...her-stories.htm
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/17/2009 09:34:00 PM 4 comments 

5.
http://election.rediff.com/column/2009/may...her-stories.htm
QUOTEAfter the counting and other stories
Rajeev Srinivasan

May 17, 2009

The great fabulist O V Vijayan had a collection of short stories -- and some of the best were based on the Emergency -- titled After The Hanging And Other Stories.

I could stretch the point and suggest that democracy was hanged in India, but perhaps that is too dramatic. Democracy was already a walking wounded in India. It had been a zombie for years, with paraphernalia such as elaborate elections, but it is merely form, not substance. What passes for a democracy in India is make-believe. It is, to paraphrase that old racist Churchill, about as real as the equator.

Nevertheless, it is a little sad to see a people committing collective suicide. For, this year's election is a point of inflexion, coming as it does at a point when the unipolar world of the recent past is clearly unraveling. There is a power vacuum, as the dominant power of the previous century, the United States, is clearly suffering from imperial over-reach. Much as other imperial powers have done in the past, America is also realising that there are limits to its power to compel others.

Since nature abhors a vacuum, a new power is stepping into it: China. They have amassed, as is well known, a war chest of $2 trillion. They are making noises about replacing the US dollar as the reserve currency, and economist Nouriel Roubini (known as 'Dr Doom' for his Cassandra-like warnings about the economic crisis) wrote in The New York Times about the 'almighty renminbi' possibly replacing the almighty dollar.

This was India's chance to also make it to the top, but of course it won't with the UPA at the helm. The UPA and its coterie of leftists have a congenital inferiority complex, and they simply cannot imagine that India in fact has the potential to be one of the poles in a multi-polar world. Their imaginations have been stunted by all the dogma of non-alignment they have mouthed for decades -- and they can only imagine being a pawn and a supplicant to some superior power.

The fact is that an unfettered India which defends its interests had a very good chance of being not only one among the top ten global powers in its economic, military and innovation capability. India, if it played its cards right, would have had a non-trivial chance of being Number One, the biggest power in the world. If the intrusive Indian government did not interfere, the native genius of Indians would naturally enable the nation to flourish, as was demonstrated in sector after sector after 1991. Indians have thrived despite the government, not because of it.

The problem the Americans face is that, despite their vast continental resources, they are a waning power, as they reached the zenith of their empire in the 1950s and 1960s, and it has been downhill ever since, except for a brief moment when they became the sole hyperpower. The Chinese, on their part, have tremendous problems because, despite the acknowledged entrepreneurial capacities of its citizens, Chinese history shows that it can only do well when there is a strong imperial government. Eventually, the Communist dictatorship will collapse.

India would have had a chance, but not with the UPA in power. An old gentleman, whom I have no reason to disbelieve, once told me of an incident with a Communist leader in Kerala [Images], who opposed prohibition. In a private conversation, this person questioned the minister about the obvious fact that the consumption of liquor by men was impoverishing their families and preventing them from rising up to the middle class. Whereupon the leader told him, in effect: "We don't want to end poverty. If there is no poverty, who needs us?" This accurately reflects the UPA's beliefs as well. Their slogans will have no takers unless there is a large, hopeless underclass.

The UPA has demonstrated that it can only think of India as a vassal state throughout the last five years of craven behaviour towards the US ('India loves you, Mr Bush,' said the PM). The opaque manner in which the nuclear deal was rammed through was preposterous. India will pay tens of billions of dollars for nuclear fission reactors from the US and its allies, and will go into 'cap, rollback and eliminate' mode as it is blackmailed into the NPT, CTBT and FMCT.

In the meantime, the Americans are giving billions to the Pakistanis, in effect supporting their new plutonium reactors, as reported by MSNBC on May 15.

It would be ironic if the Americans are taking the very same billions coming from India and giving those to the Pakistanis. That would be, as Karl Marx said, history repeating itself as tragedy: British imperialists, it may be remembered, coerced money from Indians to build the infrastructure to oppress Indians.

The energy issue is just one of many in which the UPA has not looked after India's interests. Consider China -- now that energy prices have fallen, the Chinese have locked up long-term contracts for oil and gas by waving their bankroll around, in places like Venezuela, Russia [Images], and Angola. The UPA has done nothing, apparently complacent that Uncle Sam will ride to the rescue with uranium. The UPA couldn't even get Bangladeshi or Myanmarese gas, which the Chinese snatched up. That is nothing short of criminal.

In fact there are several reasons why the last five years of UPA rule have been disastrous. I am reminded of Ronald Reagan's famous jibe: 'Are you better off than you were four years ago?' Absolutely not, in area after area:

Economy: because of disastrous populist policies, the budget deficit is around 13 to 15 per cent, one of the highest in the world. Inflation of up to 12 per cent has permanently pushed up the prices of most essential goods by a factor of 1.5 to 3x, and it will return with a vengeance because of the high deficit.

Foreign Policy: India's 'near-abroad' is a disaster, as India's sphere of influence has shrunk, and China's has grown. Nepal is now controlled by friends of China; Sri Lanka [Images] is massacring Tamils, and has leased the Hambantota naval base to China; terrorist infiltration via Bangladesh and Nepal continues apace; the Pakistani Taliban [Images] are only some 200 kilometres from Delhi [Images].

Security: Terrorists attack Indian cities at will; the invasion of Mumbai [Images] has already been forgotten by the UPA.

Corruption and money-laundering: Gigantic amounts of money appear to be stashed away in numbered Swiss accounts -- enough to pay off the national debt; the ill-gotten gains of the Italian Quattrochi have tacitly been given to him. This makes the already corrupt Indian system even worse.

Opaqueness: The UPA lied continuously to the Indian people and Parliament about the details of the nuclear accord, which turns out to be far less attractive than was advertised; the huge bags-of-cash-for-votes scandal has been swept under the carpet.

The Indian voter is not stupid, and is exquisitely sensitive to things that affect his wallet. Therefore it is a little surprising that the average voter drank the UPA's Kool-Aid.

There is, of course, the possibility that the average voter did not in fact fall for the UPA's charms, and that this election was subject to massive fraud. I am talking about Electronic Voting Machines (EVMs). Having spent many years in the high-tech world, I do not trust computers, especially embedded systems. Researchers in the US have shown how easy it is to break into EVMs, which is why they have not adopted them. They have realised how important it is to have a paper audit trail, hanging chads and all.

It would not be extraordinarily difficult to install a programme with a Trojan Horse in it. To outward appearances and to ordinary testing, the programme would appear normal. However, when it is fed a sequence of keystrokes by the agent of the party committing the fraud, the Trojan Horse wakes up, and then, regardless of what buttons the voter actually presses, it can assign a certain (non-suspicious-looking) percentage (not 90% but, say 45%) to the preferred party. The Trojan Horse can even be programmed to quietly delete itself when the voting is over. Nobody would know any better, as there is no paper trail.

Let me emphasise that I do not have any evidence that this happened in 2009, but it is worth investigating. There were too many surprising -- almost miraculous -- victories by certain candidates whom the casual observer would have written off. By Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is fraud. I would like to note in passing that in 2004, expecting the NDA to commit fraud, an Indian Communist in the US had prepared a suit alleging EVM fraud. Therefore it is clear that the thought has occurred to various people that there could be EVM fraud.

In any case, the 2009 elections, I repeat, were an inflexion point or a tipping point, which will mark the rapid decline of India. Looking back, historians will identify this election as the precise moment that India as a nation and a civilisation began unraveling. It is fairly likely that India would have become a dismembered state by 2025, thus fulfilling a long-felt need in certain hostile quarters -- one in which both the Communists and the West see eye to eye -- to break up India.

6. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/beh...e-and-love.html
QUOTEbehold the future of india: peace and love break out on a beach in kerala
may 17th, 2009

in a clash between the RoP and the RoL on the coast near trivandrum, four RoP people were killed and a few RoL houses were gutted. i guess this is a mini-crusade?

the communist government immediately announced grants of rs. 10 lakh to each of the RoP guys' next of kin. (but naturally.)

this is the second time in a couple of years that RoL and RoP have engaged in this kind of lovefest.

the last time, the RoL guys were quite upset at the alacrity with which the government rebuilt the RoP houses. apparently, then the provocation was some overtures by some young men of peace to some young women of the love variety.

not known what caused peace and love to break out this time. but i suspect the peace people are in shock that they too can die (from too much luuuuuv). normally their job is to kill, not die. i am sure that there will an enquiry by both ratzy and the USCIRF into this, or maybe they will keep quiet because the love people were clearly doing the loving.

enquiring minds might want to know why no hindus were killed.

well, isn't it obvious? the hindus have already been given their choice: convert, die or flee. there are no hindus left on the coast. the great 'saint' francis xavier converted the fishermen at gunpoint (but with great love) some centuries ago, and now the peaceful people, flush with arab money and pakistani counterfeit rupees, are buying up the coast, much to the chagrin of the the love guys.

when your flight lands in trivandrum, you can see four or five pink or green mosques, some of them monstrously large and brand new, and six or seven churches, complete with red neon crosses on top, beckoning. the one old hindu temple there, a devi temple, has been given a present by the communists -- a giant 50-feet-long statue of a voluptuous, big-breasted, half-naked, obviously sexually aroused woman, which is placed strategically just in front of the temple.

this is a sneak preview of india's future, now that the elections have been stolen. mughalistan, meet christiststan. and oh, i don't know why the christists are not pontificating about 'unity' as they usually do in this instance. what, no 'unity' with mohammedans, eh, christists?

Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/18/2009 08:49:00 AM 0 comments

Husky · (This post was last modified: 05-18-2009, 11:06 PM by Husky.)

Still on the above.

I thought Constantine was consolidating his empire. Rajeev Srinivasan and the blog posts at Rajeev2004 just confirmed it. (One will not get further proof.)

All this cheering for congressis having beaten communism is a bit premature?

No coincidence that communista-controlled territory was broken into. Christianism stabbed communism. Said christianism about communism in India: "Useful idiots".

QUOTESunday, May 17, 2009
Did Electronic Voting Hurt Left Parties?
This is a personal speculation - we all know the Left parties are the most practiced at vote-tampering, ballot-stuffing, etc. Is it possible that the Electronic Voting Machines helped to block such tactics by the Left, thus leading to their downfall at the polls?
Posted by san at 5/17/2009 01:16:00 PM
Labels: corruption, technology

2 comments:

psenthilraja said...

Â Â The left parties established their hold by eliminating the opposition.. so when there is no opposition in each booth, the people had no choice..

Â Â It doesnt matter whether its EVM or ballot voting.. the left mastered the art of controlling the people..

Â Â HOwever, this time, the debacle that left had is something unbelievable.. Its true that Mamta had put up a strong opposition.. but its hard to believe that she could sweep the state, and definitely LEFT is not in such low position..

Â Â My take is that EVM tampering is now done against the LEFT itself, and they had been deliberately knocked down by the congress..
Â Â 5/17/2009 11:07 PM

M. Patil said...

Â Â San,

Â Â Left is like the guy who robs a bank with a gun, crude and usually in the present era they are caught. However, the most successful bank robberies are inside jobs. These insiders are smooth sophisticated and get away with the crime. Congress is like the latter, they get their loyalists into high positions like CEC, president and so on. This makes the inside job, a cake walk.

Â Â M.Patil
Â Â 5/18/2009 5:07 AM

Capt M Kumar · 05-18-2009, 10:55 PM

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--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /> The difference between EVMs in USA and India is:
in USA, u have to maintain the record i.e. if need be, u can take out print to convince the concerned party whereas in India, there is no paper trail which leaves room for doubt.

05-18-2009, 11:22 PM

Assuming worst scenario....confirmed rigging.

What is the way forward then?

Husky · (This post was last modified: 05-18-2009, 11:56 PM by Husky.)

1. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/mum...urtesy-mns.html
QUOTEMumbai goes to UPA, courtesy MNS
may 18th, 2009

sounds acutely suspicious.

have all mumbaikars forgotten 11/26? very unlikely. people are sensitive to their personal security and that of their loved ones.

so the surmise is that EVM fraud happened with a vengeance in mumbai (and delhi).

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: viji

Mumbai goes to UPA, courtesy MNS
17 May 2009, 0157 hrs IST, Sunando Sarkar, TNN

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Pune/Mu...how/4540764.cms

... deleted
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/18/2009 10:12:00 AM 0 comments

2. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/bbc...efrain-has.html
QUOTEMonday, May 18, 2009
bbc drops "2000 mohammedans" refrain. has it served its purpose?
may 18th, 2009

now that EVM fraud has got the kkkangress into power (and remember big bags of money helped it stave off the no-confidence motion earlier -- all those swiss accounts in action), i wonder if the bbc has been told to downplay the "2000 mohammedans" slogan.

why, cedric prakash is going to be very unhappy that his successful "truth by repeated assertion" is no longer useful. i predict the new refrain is going to be "200 churches burned in orissa". sounds a lot more respectable than telling the whole truth, ie. "hindus burned down 200 shacks with makeshift crosses after christists mowed down 84-year-old hindu monk, hindu nun and young child with AK-47s".

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8056064.stm
Posted by nizhal yoddha at 5/18/2009 10:40:00 AM 0 comments 

3. Crosspost
QUOTE(Muppalla @ May 18 2009, 11:07 PM)There is a reason for so much of mourning and jumping to EVM fraud type conclusions. The way the election results look like is a perfect orchestration of "removal of all troubles and ills of INC" in one shot from the past. Though INC did win only 206 and not win 543 they blanked out their enemies 543-0.

It seems like that in their calculations, BJP was never in the contention for them and hence no worries there. Here is how it looks like and it is amazing to achieve all in one shot. Even though it is election but it looks like a programmed thing for me to get me out of all troubles. For telugu folks it is like ayurveda medicine "sakala roga nivarini" aushadha working.

1) Salami slice BJP in its area of influence so that it does not rise it head. Guj, MP, Uttarakhand
2) Let us not do anything with Karnataka as we think we will look suspicious. But Dev Gowda - the damn guy should be put in is place and how dare he cheats us.
3) AP - We got to win here but I don't think YSR whould have a large majority. Chiru should not grow. Ok fine- let us give huge LS majority and but 10 seater to YSR. Damn guy let him live there. CBN can sulk in the opposition for a while. Again this damn TRS how dare he crossed my line. Let us finish him.
4) Left - These jokers tried to convert Nuke deal as Muslim Vs. Non-Muslim. These folks needs rape and murder and hence let us order the robots to do exactly the same
5) Laloo, Paswan - Let us flush them like a lavatory-tissues
6) Naveen and Nitish - let us leave them in good humor and may be useful in future.
7) AGP - Let BJP win here but not AGP. AUDF - the two bit party that sole depends on BDs is good thing for future. Ok done deal so let us add them
8 ) ADMK -PMK - MDMK - big nuisance and how dare they talk of Elam etc. Let us see if we can do such a way so that we don't have to work with toooo many *MKs but just with one who is anyway. Jaya is looking like BJP-B anyway. Let us do only salami slicing here so that we don't look suspicious.
9) Delhi and Rajasthan - forget about voting percentages etc. - let us just sweep because we won the assembly recently.
10) JMM is a huge pain and hence lets dump it.
11) By the way for all these parties, let us give one seat each so that we do not look like we did something
12) SP - BSP: Damn black mailers - Let us make them as irrelevant and dependent on us from tommorow but be cautious. We should not go from zero to 80.
13) Over all we don't win 300 seats on our own but we have 300 with about 100 of them has no option but us.
14) pawar- bloody fellow wants PM ship. Show him his place while we win.

Make Singh the King!!! It is infinite number of master strokes and a beautifullest victory that anyone can dream/cherish
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Papal command ('third millennium is Asia's turn', with major nod to India from where he pronounced his statement) is on its way to being implemented. "Miracle"!

Who's willing to bet that christianism will get Bharatam before islamania does? (That is, christianism will get it and then lose it to islamism. Just as seems to already be happening in small-scale near Trivandrum).

Note that if it weren't for christianism, it may have taken islam anywhere between 100 years and forever to get Bharatam. Islamism could perhaps never have been able to take Bharatam, were it not for christianism, which is paving the way for it.
#1 enemy is christianism (particularly catholicism) - the silent, most potent of enemies - because It Can.

But it's unsecular to say that. Just as it is unsecular to say christobrits, christoportuguese, etc for the christian invaders, but people will however easily pronounce "muslims" for the islamic invaders from Turkestan~Mongolia, Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan.

Christianism gets full immunity. Full protection. Full invisibility.
It slips right past with the ball and Score: Bharatam is the new S Korea.

"How can that possibly happen? India has ~900 million people. Most are Hindus. And only 2% to 6% are christian."

Rome had ~100 million people and was at 2 to 3 millions of christians
when Constantine came. The rest Historia est.

McCabe:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix1.ht...ationStats
QUOTEIt is generally agreed that the population of the Roman Empire was at the time about one hundred millions
[...]
In short, it is liberal to grant, in the year 310, three million nominal Christians amongst the hundred millions of the Roman Empire; and the persecution had driven most of these back to the temples. Moreover, the vast majority were in rural Armenia (to which Schultze assigns no less than two million out of his three million seven hundred and fifty thousand), Syria, and Asia Minor. The gospel, after nearly three centuries of propaganda, was a failure.

-- The Story of Religious Controversy, by historian and former Catholic priest Joseph McCabe

dhu · (This post was last modified: 05-18-2009, 11:50 PM by dhu.)

QUOTE(sroy @ May 18 2009, 11:22 PM)Assuming worst scenario....confirmed rigging.

What is the way forward then?
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In immediate future, it should be to get third party laloo, paswan, mayawati, and communists to make rigging a nationwide issue. they are great at rabblerousing. If BJP does it, it will immediately be put to task with ceaseless ridicule by media.

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